Less than a month now!
So, as an appetiser, the location of the base camps for each squad. Most countries bordering Germany seem to stay away from their border, except for the Swiss in Stuttgart:
(https://64.media.tumblr.com/f239cab26ab69941ecfc6599186f523f/6026b01aef83babc-56/s1280x1920/95518a3d1bf2218417f7084cb9fdf33b33b00285.jpg)
So no Denmark in Flensborg Flensburg but Czechs up North in Norderstedt, and so on.
Not to mention Austria not in outer Bavaria, but deep in Piefkeland, in Berlin! No less. :D
Please avoid using the word "camps".
It totally doesn't feel like this is happening. Not much fuss to be felt about it at all.
I suppose covid is heavily to blame with it feeling like we've had a world/euro cup every year lately.
England has a good strategic position there. Sole ownership of one province. Another unclaimed to the east. hmm.
Quote from: The Brain on May 16, 2024, 05:43:41 AMPlease avoid using the word "camps".
Only to be used with concentration or extermination? :hmm:
If it triggers you, I may use
Lager. Not just during the games. :P
Eastern Länder (old GDR) do not seem popular for some reason.
Saarland not having any base camp as well, but I don't think it's for the same reasons.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 16, 2024, 05:49:16 AMQuote from: The Brain on May 16, 2024, 05:43:41 AMPlease avoid using the word "camps".
Only to be used with concentration or exterminationr? :hmm:
If it triggers you, I may use Lager. Not just during the games. :P
I'm not a beer person.
Quote from: Josquius on May 16, 2024, 05:47:23 AMIt totally doesn't feel like this is happening. Not much fuss to be felt about it at all.
I suppose covid is heavily to blame with it feeling like we've had a world/euro cup every year lately.
England has a good strategic position there. Sole ownership of one province. Another unclaimed to the east. hmm.
My first thought was they made sure to isolate the English. :D
Nice to have 3 countries to cheer for. Except any Hungarian success will be very bittersweet. Football is Orban's pet project plus the stadium-going fanbase have become very fascistoid in the last several years with the uniform black t-shirts and whatnot, they are going to sour the whole thing.
P.S. Hungary should have been put to Augsburg.
Quote from: The Brain on May 16, 2024, 06:03:43 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 16, 2024, 05:49:16 AMQuote from: The Brain on May 16, 2024, 05:43:41 AMPlease avoid using the word "camps".
Only to be used with concentration or exterminationr? :hmm:
If it triggers you, I may use Lager. Not just during the games. :P
I'm not a beer person.
More into bear(s) as the animal lover you are? :x
Norderstedt :lmfao:
Quote from: Syt on May 16, 2024, 07:08:50 AMNorderstedt :lmfao:
Kontext, bitte!
You're from Holstein, so local grudges and/or knowledge certainly play a part but we
demand need details. :P
Not just that it would have been better for Danes, I'm sure. :D
It's more that Norderstedt is one of those soulless working class periphery towns around Hamburg that are basically glorified sleep towns for people working in Hamburg. The only more beige town I can think of in S-H is Neumünster. :P
France is Paderborn? Is this the beginning of an attempt to reform Asatru?
Tickets for the games arrived! :cool:
On smartphones that is, forget paper tickets. :weep:
I feel old. :hmm:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 29, 2024, 07:16:33 AMTickets for the games arrived! :cool:
On smartphones that is, forget paper tickets. :weep:
I feel old. :hmm:
Its sad.
When its just a little £10 concert then fair enough.
But when its a big £100+ special event then I want the ticket as a souvenir.
Ditto.
I got €60 tickets but I think it still applies. I don't know it was for the previous EURO and VIP Lounge tickets might be different :P (I only won them once through a SNCF competition).
I feel that way about concert tickets too. I have scrapbooks full of old tickets, but now it's all phone tickets.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 29, 2024, 07:16:33 AMTickets for the games arrived! :cool:
On smartphones that is, forget paper tickets. :weep:
I feel old. :hmm:
You're lucky to get any. About 10 of us applied for various sets of group and round of 16 games - any price. Not a single success.
Quote from: Gups on May 29, 2024, 08:52:49 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 29, 2024, 07:16:33 AMTickets for the games arrived! :cool:
On smartphones that is, forget paper tickets. :weep:
I feel old. :hmm:
You're lucky to get any. About 10 of us applied for various sets of group and round of 16 games - any price. Not a single success.
Got it through the national team supporters and fans club. I guess it's easier for some countries.
I screwed up by not checking my mail readily so I lost a chance to get a somewhat cheaper ticket for Portugal-Turkey. Still had a possibility for 130 € but it's too much for me in a group phase game.
If you want tickets to show up in the knock-out phase, pray for the big teams to get the boot. Big teams in terms of fan numbers that is. Of course, that won't help for England. Not to mention more teams qualify with 24-squad Euro.
Having England and Germany (even more unlikely these days) out of the way in 2000, meant last minute tickets for a QF e.g Portugal-Turkey.
I remember how hyped I was for the last big tournament in Germany in 2006. This time, I don't really care. Over the decades I lost interest in football somehow.
I've probably mentioned this before, but I was in Europe in 2008 when the Euro was going on. I even met a whole bunch of Languishites in Krakow.
Anyways, our trip was through Czechia, Poland, Hungary, then Austria (who was hosting). One night we were in Salzburg who was hosting a game of Greece versus Russia (Greece being the defending champs). The fans did a little parade or demonstration in the streets - the Greeks were just acting like it was party time. The Russians - more like a military demonstration. It was very stereotypical for both countries.
I'm not a soccer guy, but I've always been fond of the EURO ever since.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on May 29, 2024, 10:26:54 AMQuote from: Gups on May 29, 2024, 08:52:49 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on May 29, 2024, 07:16:33 AMTickets for the games arrived! :cool:
On smartphones that is, forget paper tickets. :weep:
I feel old. :hmm:
You're lucky to get any. About 10 of us applied for various sets of group and round of 16 games - any price. Not a single success.
Got it through the national team supporters and fans club. I guess it's easier for some countries.
I screwed up by not checking my mail readily so I lost a chance to get a somewhat cheaper ticket for Portugal-Turkey. Still had a possibility for 130 € but it's too much for me in a group phase game.
If you want tickets to show up in the knock-out phase, pray for the big teams to get the boot. Big teams in terms of fan numbers that is. Of course, that won't help for England. Not to mention more teams qualify with 24-squad Euro.
Having England and Germany (even more unlikely these days) out of the way in 2000, meant last minute tickets for a QF e.g Portugal-Turkey.
We weren't interested in watching England, just basing ourselves in Koln or similar and watching as many games as possible in the 4 stadiums with easy train access from there. OH well, hopefully USA/Canada/Mexico will be easier.
Quote from: Gups on May 29, 2024, 11:32:25 AMWe weren't interested in watching England, just basing ourselves in Koln or similar and watching as many games as possible in the 4 stadiums with easy train access from there. OH well, hopefully USA/Canada/Mexico will be easier.
Easier, since it will be much more expensive but then not too many countries can organise a World Cup on their own these days, not to mention political considerations.
All right, I understand now.
UEFA did start by a ticket sale on a per-stadium basis. I don't find it interesting for the fans, you don't know which team you are going to watch, but it seems for work for UEFA.
And yes, North Rhine-Westphalia is indeed the best
Land for watching games. It has been the case for previous tournaments as well.
(https://editorial.uefa.com/resources/028d-1ac8b985af82-fd1020049ff7-1000/format/free1/euro24_mobi_map_v2_page-0001.jpe)
Quote from: Josephus on May 29, 2024, 08:10:18 AMI feel that way about concert tickets too. I have scrapbooks full of old tickets, but now it's all phone tickets.
I still keep cinema tickets, for what it's worth, i.e a quick review, plus being able to keep track of what I watch, years after.
I will be in Berlin during some of this - hadn't actually thought of the football so I'm just there for a very gay concert and summer holiday :lol: :ph34r:
QuoteI will be in Berlin during some of this - hadn't actually thought of the football so I'm just there for a very gay concert and summer holiday :lol: :ph34r:
Footix! :frog: :lol:
So the Berlin fan zone or sports bars for you I guess. :P Tickets were pretty hard to come by, or so it seems.
Starts today at 21.00 CET (GMT/UTC + 2) !
Too late for a Languish pick'em pool? Josephus? Liep?
I meant Josephus, sorry Josquius, typo on my side.
https://www.pooltracker.com/join.asp?poolid=233671 (https://www.pooltracker.com/join.asp?poolid=233671)
Sounds fun:
Futbol Progressive Pick 'Em
Quote» 1 point for each correct pick in the Group Stage
» 2 points for each correct pick in Round of 16
» 3 points for each correct pick in Round of 8
» 4 points for each correct pick in Semi-Finals
» 5 points for the correct Champion
Could be fun as well: `Ranked Pick em
Quote» For each correct pick, users will receive the number of points equal to the confidence rank that they entered for that game.
» The goal is to score the most points, which may not equate to the most wins
» The "catch" is that ranking numbers can only be used once
Put high points on your most confident pick
Put low points on your least confident pick
No time to set it up but might be able to do it...though I do believe I often lose track at some point and only get the groups done.
No team really stands out as amazing to me.
I'm going to say this is a year where we get a shock outsider winning.
Lets say Switzerland repeats its eurovision success.
Yeah, let's do it.
Link to pool:
https://www.pooltracker.com/join.asp?poolid=233671 (https://www.pooltracker.com/join.asp?poolid=233671)
Languish24
Americans of all persuasions, from North to South, might consider a Copa América pool, since it starts on June 21st, i.e one week, in the appropriate thread.
So, can the Tartan Army do it? GER v SCO
Not according to the Languish Pool. :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 14, 2024, 08:23:41 AMSo, can the Tartan Army do it? GER v SCO
Not according to the Languish Pool. :P
The best bet for Scotland is one of will they score a goal this tournament or not?
Quote from: Josquius on June 14, 2024, 10:20:59 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 14, 2024, 08:23:41 AMSo, can the Tartan Army do it? GER v SCO
Not according to the Languish Pool. :P
The best bet for Scotland is one of will they score a goal this tournament or not?
Does that entail a draw or not?
They managed to get a tie last time. :P
An especially boring opening ceremony
Dreadful opening ceremony. But at least it was short
White peoples really can't dance :lol:
This is brilliant :nelson:
Guess wales feels a little better.
I am reasonably confident that Germany will win this game.
Quote from: Zanza on June 14, 2024, 02:57:17 PMI am reasonably confident that Germany will win this game.
Don't call on the wrath of valmy :ph34r:
7-0 would be good
I am in. I put my blessing upon many fine nations.
Quote from: HVC on June 14, 2024, 03:00:04 PMQuote from: Zanza on June 14, 2024, 02:57:17 PMI am reasonably confident that Germany will win this game.
Don't call on the wrath of valmy :ph34r:
I tried, but unfortunately I couldn't pick a game already in progress :(
So was that a good or bad performance by Scotland?
Quote from: Valmy on June 14, 2024, 04:04:18 PMSo was that a good or bad performance by Scotland?
Could have been a wee bit better.
Quote from: Valmy on June 14, 2024, 04:04:18 PMSo was that a good or bad performance by Scotland?
Yes.
I mean they didn't seem horrible, but I don't know the team enough to know if they over or under performed.
Scotland were poor and set up badly - shocking tactics from the manager. Germany were excellent though.
So first game and controversy - do I pay out for Scotland scoring or not? :s
Depends on how you phrase it. :P
However, it is 5-1 for Germany, not 6-0, despite Nationalmannschaft players scoring all goals. :D
Hungary not playing as well as I expected. Orban needs to let in more immigrants.
A team who has Callum Styles as a regular starter is a ways short of first class.
Hungary has been making some nice passes. Unfortunately they've been to swiss players.
Quote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 08:23:56 AMHungary not playing as well as I expected. Orban needs to let in more immigrants.
I guess you missed Loïc Négo. :P
Defender. they need tanned strikers :D
*edit* he's a sub anyway, doesn't count
OMG they suck
Well at least they have shown up for the second half, too bad they gave the first away.
This is the Hungary I expected. Probably too late.
Hungary shitty defense showing itself in the end.
Damn Magyars! :ultra:
Orban will have to give weapons to Ukraine, as a punishment. :P
Excellent game, fuck Hungary. Fuckers.
I was assigned Switzerland as a team at work. :swiss:
GF must be enjoying these games.
More than Threviel, at least for the Spain-Croatia game. :P
Still no ties. :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 15, 2024, 11:36:10 AMStill no ties. :P
Yeah, I changed my swiss v Hungary prediction because I thought i didn't pick enough ties.
3-0 just before half-time.
For Spain.
Well? :D
I think the golden years of Croatia is over
I've failed as a father, my son roots for Spain on the basis that FC Barcelona is the best. :weep:
Nothing like a fluke to liven up a game. :P
Nice save, but spains defense was complacent
Great for the neutral spectator who fell asleep in the second half. :D
Lol I'd feel bad for croatia if I didn't dislike their fans so much.
No idea why Spanish guy wasn't sent off.
Also why wasn't penalty retaken?
Goal reversed, spoke too soon. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Josephus on June 15, 2024, 12:43:58 PMNo idea why Spanish guy wasn't sent off.
Also why wasn't penalty retaken?
Why would it be a retake?
Petkovic offside, so no penalty anyways.
Quote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 12:43:26 PMLol I'd feel bad for croatia if I didn't dislike their fans so much.
They would be fine if they weren't all Croatians.
How was that even a penalty the Croatian fell over his own foot
Ah hahah
There is still hope for a tie. :P
Sounds like the whole stadium is Albania fans :D
Quote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 02:06:01 PMSounds like the whole stadium is Albania fans :D
50,000 Albanians in Westfalen Stadion, out of 65,000.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 15, 2024, 02:11:07 PMQuote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 02:06:01 PMSounds like the whole stadium is Albania fans :D
50,000 Albanians in Westfalen Stadion, out of 65,000.
Besides having loyal fans they probably have the coolest uniform
There goes the upset
Well, more along Languish picks anyways:
Italy 2 Albania 1.
Albania still better than Scotland yesterday. :P
HVC
Are you trying to pull a Valmy jinx on Italy? :D
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 15, 2024, 02:18:28 PMWell, more along Languish picks anyways:
Italy 2 Albania 1.
Albania still better than Scotland yesterday. :P
HVC
Are you trying to pull a Valmy jinx on Italy? :D
There's a portugal v Italy rivalry in canada, so I like when bad things happen to them :D
Quote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 02:21:13 PMThere's a portugal v Italy rivalry in canada, so I like when bad things happen to them :D
Well, Italy got the wrong Éder. :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éder_(footballer,_born_1986) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89der_(footballer,_born_1986))
Fastest EURO goal of all time: only 23 seconds needed.
Finally able to catch part of a game today.
Wow. Albania really giving it a go.
Yeah Italy are rubbish at the moment but still.
From what I hear of the Swiss game... Their status as potential dark horses could be accurate?
Quote from: Josquius on June 15, 2024, 03:25:44 PMFinally able to catch part of a game today.
Wow. Albania really giving it a go.
Yeah Italy are rubbish at the moment but still.
From what I hear of the Swiss game... Their status as potential dark horses could be accurate?
Nah. Hungary was intimidated by the occasion, probably, on the first half. Second half they were a match to the Swiss, except that Hungary's defense I already nominate to the be weakest of the tournament.
Quote from: Tamas on June 15, 2024, 03:29:32 PMQuote from: Josquius on June 15, 2024, 03:25:44 PMFinally able to catch part of a game today.
Wow. Albania really giving it a go.
Yeah Italy are rubbish at the moment but still.
From what I hear of the Swiss game... Their status as potential dark horses could be accurate?
Nah. Hungary was intimidated by the occasion, probably, on the first half. Second half they were a match to the Swiss, except that Hungary's defense I already nominate to the be weakest of the tournament.
:secret:
Scotland. :P
Quote from: Valmy on June 15, 2024, 12:57:05 PMQuote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 12:43:26 PMLol I'd feel bad for croatia if I didn't dislike their fans so much.
They would be fine if they weren't all Croatians.
You said the quiet part out loud :D
Quote from: Josquius on June 15, 2024, 03:25:44 PMFinally able to catch part of a game today.
Wow. Albania really giving it a go.
Yeah Italy are rubbish at the moment but still.
From what I hear of the Swiss game... Their status as potential dark horses could be accurate?
Italy is not playing badly. Just too timid to pull the trigger in the last third.
Then again, Italy being Italy, when given the choice they'd rather waste 2 minutes of time rather than score.
Hey, Croatian are my 5th favourite Yugoslavian people.
Psychological warfare
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8P07bqyvoV/?igsh=MW5rZzBpeW40YWE3Zw==
:lol:
Also loved that the Hungary number 9 who got subbed on has become a meme :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 15, 2024, 08:19:16 PM:lol:
Also loved that the Hungary number 9 who got subbed on has become a meme :lol:
Hes the one who won the competition on Budapest FM right?
God dammit Dutch. It hurts my soul to cheer you on, and you're still a disappointment.
Almost in agreement with HVC, dammit!
First tie?
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 16, 2024, 09:39:43 AMAlmost in agreement with HVC, dammit!
First tie?
We jinxed Poland!
Well, given our pool picks, that's a lesser evil. :P
That's the only reason i want the dastardly Dutch to win. I'd take a loss. A tie was unacceptable :D
The Danes are doing their job: 1-0 vs Slovenia after 17 minutes.
Vikings letting the slavs have too many chances though.
BB picked a tie this time, and hes yet to be wrong :ph34r:
Stop jinxing our pool picks, por favor!
Danes need to remember they are only leading by a goal. Slovenia had quite a good chance to equalise...
Another great chance.
There it is
Hit the post and then just after, goal.
Bloody sleepy Danes!
Well done Slovenes, though.
PS: obrigado, Mouro! :ultra:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 16, 2024, 11:59:17 AMStop jinxing our pool picks, por favor!
It wasn't a jinx, just a predictive warning :D
Slovenes should go for the kill, while they are at it. :P
Pool wise I'd be OK with that :lol:
And truthfully they'd deserve a win.
A game of (two) halves.
Denmark-Slovenia
1-1
Massive booing for the anthems before Serbia-England. :lol:
1-0 for England. England has been dominating from the very beginning, but it is the first real chance.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 16, 2024, 01:57:16 PMMassive booing for the anthems before Serbia-England. :lol:
Serbs started it, just got revenge for it.
Quote from: Tamas on June 16, 2024, 02:15:35 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 16, 2024, 01:57:16 PMMassive booing for the anthems before Serbia-England. :lol:
Serbs started it, just got revenge for it.
Serbian booing of God save the King seemed louder to my ears, at least on French TV.
So, the Serbs don't look like restoring their reputation any time soon then.
Quote from: Josquius on June 16, 2024, 02:40:39 PMSo, the Serbs don't look like restoring their reputation any time soon then.
Russia of the Balkans I hope they get a trashing.
™Russia of the Balkans™ is most likely a highly coveted badge of honour for Serbian nationalists. :D
Quote from: HVC on June 16, 2024, 11:28:40 AMVikings letting the slavs have too many chances though.
BB picked a tie this time, and hes yet to be wrong :ph34r:
I had picked a tie and changed it at the last minute
Quote from: Josephus on June 16, 2024, 03:03:58 PMQuote from: HVC on June 16, 2024, 11:28:40 AMVikings letting the slavs have too many chances though.
BB picked a tie this time, and hes yet to be wrong :ph34r:
I had picked a tie and changed it at the last minute
Congratulations!
England were awful.
Sweet Caroline? That's an option I suppose.
Quote from: Josquius on June 16, 2024, 03:54:47 PMEngland were awful.
During the second half-time, no contest.
Seems like there's lots of organisational chaos going on this tournament - especially getting in and out of stadiums and travelling from games. I saw Miguel Delaney note this has been a real feature of Ceferin's reign at UEFA, including in club competitions, and they've apparently lost a lot of key staff to FIFA.
Hopefully it isn't/won't be an issue when I'm in Berlin (not for the Euros) as it's a big city with lots of public transport options.... :ph34r:
I guess that is why the fan application mentions the stadium is only 30 mins on foot from the rail station. :tinfoil: :P
In Lípsia. :smarty:
Oh, and Romania just scored. :D
:ultra:
How much worse this match could be?
1. Ukrainians humiliated
2. By Romania
3. I selected a Ukrainian victory in the Languish game
Romania is a NATO member, and a reliable one, unlike Orban's Hungary. :P
3-0 for Romania now. Did not see that one coming.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2024, 09:25:37 AMQuote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 11:34:52 AMGF must be enjoying these games.
Am I?
You dislike low scoring games, don't you? Not wanting for goals lately.
Quote from: Tamas on June 17, 2024, 09:21:50 AM:ultra:
How much worse this match could be?
1. Ukrainians humiliated
2. By Romania
3. I selected a Ukrainian victory in the Languish game
I wanted both teams to suck. At least Ukraine stuck to my expectations.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2024, 09:23:58 AMRomania is a NATO member, and a really reliable one, unlike Orban's Hungary. :P
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Vq81tP-URXEL7k_pBVsuec2_btqasMe5DTrqLArFS9pe9ro5vS23OwPRt2zdIRbFZYk_kNhXldK-nz3WjMkPSXdoStUkE6kERNFc-_oPgNOUgnwp2fgthawg)
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2024, 09:26:27 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2024, 09:25:37 AMQuote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 11:34:52 AMGF must be enjoying these games.
Am I?
You dislike low scoring games, don't you? Not wanting for goals lately.
Yes, that's right. This new habit of actually calculating lost time is producing agreeable results.
Quote from: Tamas on June 17, 2024, 09:27:22 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2024, 09:23:58 AMRomania is a NATO member, and a really reliable one, unlike Orban's Hungary. :P
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Vq81tP-URXEL7k_pBVsuec2_btqasMe5DTrqLArFS9pe9ro5vS23OwPRt2zdIRbFZYk_kNhXldK-nz3WjMkPSXdoStUkE6kERNFc-_oPgNOUgnwp2fgthawg)
Shouldn't have been all uppity in Paris after the war :P
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2024, 09:28:46 AMQuote from: HVC on June 17, 2024, 09:26:27 AMQuote from: Grey Fox on June 17, 2024, 09:25:37 AMQuote from: HVC on June 15, 2024, 11:34:52 AMGF must be enjoying these games.
Am I?
You dislike low scoring games, don't you? Not wanting for goals lately.
Yes, that's right. This new habit of actually calculating lost time is producing agreeable results.
I don't think there been many stoppage time goals, but the extra time hasn't been as dumb as it was in the World Cup where they might as well have changed the game from halves to three periods.
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2024, 09:31:29 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 17, 2024, 09:27:22 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2024, 09:23:58 AMRomania is a NATO member, and a really reliable one, unlike Orban's Hungary. :P
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/Vq81tP-URXEL7k_pBVsuec2_btqasMe5DTrqLArFS9pe9ro5vS23OwPRt2zdIRbFZYk_kNhXldK-nz3WjMkPSXdoStUkE6kERNFc-_oPgNOUgnwp2fgthawg)
Shouldn't have been all uppity in Paris after the war :P
Players from Austria, Croatia, Romania, Serbia (?) Slovakia and Ukraine would indeed have been handy, OTOH. :P
Hungary just picked the worst possible moment to both have their branding all over Austria-Hungary while also embracing Bolshevism.
Besides, I can't help but notice they never also show all the territory Austria lost. As if Hungary was unique in having its terrotory broken up into nation states.
Send all these pathetic Ukrainians to the Russian front
Quote from: Josephus on June 17, 2024, 09:53:42 AMSend all these pathetic Ukrainians to the Russian front
Given how poor the defence was, I really don't think it's a good idea.
That's only Romania's second victory at the EURO... First one was in 2000 vs England, 3-2. :lol:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2024, 09:57:21 AMThat's only Romania's second victory at the EURO... First one was in 2000 vs England, 3-2. :lol:
These statistics, though, have effectively lost their meaning with the expansion and dilution of the tournament.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2024, 09:55:12 AMQuote from: Josephus on June 17, 2024, 09:53:42 AMSend all these pathetic Ukrainians to the Russian front
Given how poor the defence was, I really don't think it's a good idea.
:pinch:
It is weird watching a team whose country is at war.
Quote from: Tamas on June 17, 2024, 09:59:30 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 17, 2024, 09:57:21 AMThat's only Romania's second victory at the EURO... First one was in 2000 vs England, 3-2. :lol:
These statistics, though, have effectively lost their meaning with the expansion and dilution of the tournament.
That's what people claimed when the tournament was enlarged to 16 teams in 1996. Probably some complaints as well when it went from 4 to 8 in 1980. :P
I thought picking Ukraine would be my "homer" pick - but then I checked the betting odds and yes Ukraine was favoured.
What happened?
Austrian fans snapping baguettes in half in front of the French fans. This is football.
They stole the Albanians bit!
God dammit. At least everyone picked wrong :lol:
Hungarian nemisises (nemisi?) having a good day.
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2024, 11:15:25 AMHungarian nemisises (nemisi?) having a good day.
WHAT IS HAPPENING?!
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 17, 2024, 10:38:21 AMAustrian fans snapping baguettes in half in front of the French fans. This is football.
I wonder if those French fans will remind them of the origin of the French
croissant. :P :frog:
France should be worried :D
:secret:
Trianon
Nemesis of Hungary. :P Battle of the Nemeses, I guess. :D
That was a joint effort against hungary :P . Austria meanwhile dominated Hungary for centuries and took some land too :contract:
Tamas, tie break. Who do you hate more, France or Austria :lol:
Saw a thing in Danish news that Denmark is #1 of any country... to have lost the most matches at the Euro. No country has lost more games in the Euros than us! The biggest losers! :lol: :blush:
We're also #10 on the list for getting the most points at the Euro, so that's not as bad. Top 10 Euro nation sounds better than biggest losers of the Euros.
I guess that's the result of being good enough to regularly qualify, but not good enough to regularly dominate....
Aww I jinxed Slovakia.
*edit* jinx reversed!
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2024, 12:11:50 PMThat was a joint effort against hungary :P . Austria meanwhile dominated Hungary for centuries and took some land too :contract:
Tamas, tie break. Who do you hate more, France or Austria :lol:
(https://media.tenor.com/_w4qfEzQzFoAAAAM/indecisive-i-dont-know.gif)
Bad call. It was in no way intentional.
Quote from: Tamas on June 17, 2024, 12:20:57 PM(https://media.tenor.com/_w4qfEzQzFoAAAAM/indecisive-i-dont-know.gif)
:lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 17, 2024, 10:38:21 AMAustrian fans snapping baguettes in half in front of the French fans. This is football.
Pas d'oignons aux Autrichiens!
In Denmark's defence /- they did win it once— even though they didn't qualify
Austria is holding the Bridge at Düsseldorf so far.
(https://www.warlordgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Battle-of-the-Bridge-at-Lodi.jpg)
Valmy jinxing a team, again. :P
O.G Wöber.
Austria beating themselves. It is as if Conrad von Hötzendorf is still leading them from beyond the grave.
If Austria is the only team that scored a goal does that still count as the Hungary effect?
Quote from: HVC on June 17, 2024, 03:12:26 PMIf Austria is the only team that scored a goal does that still count as the Hungary effect?
:lol:
Quote from: Josephus on June 17, 2024, 02:19:23 PMIn Denmark's defence /- they did win it once— even though they didn't qualify
Oh yeah, we won't ever forget that :)
Fitting that Mbappe faked a face injury and then sustained a face injury. Soccer karma.
France continues its amazing attack from the Canada game.
Ah well. Austria self-destructs. On to the Netherlands.
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Oh Languish. Turning a football tournament into a history lesson You never let me down
Quote from: Josephus on June 17, 2024, 04:15:12 PMOh Languish. Turning a football tournament into a history lesson You never let me down
I started posting a lot of images of France sacking Moscow to illustrate how the 2018 World Cup was going. So since that worked I figured I would keep it up -_-
Though it didn't really work out in the 2022 World Cup. But that was mostly because I didn't have any paintings of France committing unspeakable acts of violence against Argentina. And no other reason, I am sure -_-
Mbappe will actually have to wear a ninja turtle mask now that his nose is broken. Football is self aware.
That was not an especially convincing display from France.
Although Kante still has it, at 33 and playing in Saudi Arabia. That was a nice surprise.
Stupid Georgians. Keeping the crusader tradition of losing to turks alive
Turks are out partying like they won the title :rolleyes:
So today we are all Czechs right? 😁
Quote from: Josephus on June 18, 2024, 02:03:25 PMSo today we are all Czechs right? 😁
:glare: and I liked you too
Quote from: Josephus on June 18, 2024, 02:03:25 PMSo today we are all Czechs right? 😁
Hats for every letter!
Sorry Portugal. Ronaldo is just that bad he taints the entire country.
I am so conflicted. I have Portugal in a sweetstake at work, but, also, it's Portugal. Ronaldo and Pepe :x
Clip of tamas watching the hungary game. (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8WqXIbMISr/?igsh=MXR4YTd5NHc5em14eQ==)
Quote from: Maladict on June 18, 2024, 01:40:47 PMTurks are out partying like they won the title :rolleyes:
Hey they have had a tough time since 2014. Let them have this.
Portugal's being too cute. I don't like it.
Managed by Roberto Martinez, you say... :ph34r:
Stop trying to give ronaldo the header and shoot the fucking ball.
Portugal fucking around and finding out. But maybe this wakes them up.
The good news Czechs: You scored two goals and Portugal score none.
Now the bad news...
Wow my jinx post worked.
My powers are awesome indeed.
Quote from: Valmy on June 18, 2024, 03:22:32 PMPortugal fucking around and finding out. But maybe this wakes them up.
Guess they woke up
Quote from: Valmy on June 18, 2024, 03:51:34 PMWow my jinx post worked.
My powers are awesome indeed.
:hug: i'll buy you a beer if we ever meet :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on June 18, 2024, 03:51:34 PMWow my jinx post worked.
My powers are awesome indeed.
Valmy über allen! :D
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8N3-SjylQC/?igsh=bmM0N2ZqM2E1enUy
2016:
•Man U wins FA cup
•Real Madrid wins Champions League
•Iceland beats England
•Portugal wins the euro cup
2024
•Man U wins FA cup
•Real Madrid wins Champions League
•Iceland beats England
• :ph34r:
You guys couldn't beat Czechia without an own goal, chill. :p
:hmm: fair :lol:
*edit* also if portugal wins there's a chance Trump wins, so i have to weigh that too :D
Yeah... Of all years 2016 is one we really don't want to see again. It's best expunged from all records.
Not following, really, but a bunch of stories have cropped up on reddit of Scottish fans having a good time and being wholesome and nice. :)
There have been lots of good goals this tournament
Quote from: Josephus on June 19, 2024, 08:11:46 AMThere have been lots of good goals this tournament
Yeah, I am really enjoying this tournament.
Quote from: Tamas on June 18, 2024, 10:38:04 PMYou guys couldn't beat Czechia without an own goal, chill. :p
At least the Selecção scored a goal to beat Czechia, unlike your worst nemesis France (Trianon !) who needed an own goal of another Hungarian nemesis, Austria. :P
Sorry. That was me. I just started watching before Croatias first.
Croatia now leads 2-1 after losing 0-1.
After an Albanian o.g, of course. :D
Redemption
Holly hell seems like I missed a hell of a game because of work.
Quote from: Tamas on June 19, 2024, 09:59:58 AMHolly hell seems like I missed a hell of a game because of work.
Yeah, seems like it was a good game.
Looks like a lot own goals* this year. That's one way to increase game scores, I suppose.
*rudiger is tied as the top scorer for Scotland in Tournament games in the last 25 years :lol:
Damn I turned the TV off just as injury time started, convinced Albania weren't going to tie it.
Croatia sucks. When did that happen?
What the hell is Germany wearing?
Good match, fuck Hungary. Fuckers.
Also, fuck Turkey.
Germany: are they back? :ph34r:
Isn't Hungary absolutely F-ed if Scotland wins?
We can hope.
Quote from: Threviel on June 19, 2024, 12:36:12 PMAlso, fuck Turkey.
Força Portugal! coming soon. :P
Party over for Scotland?
1-1 Swiss equaliser.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 19, 2024, 02:27:41 PMParty over for Scotland?
1-1 Swiss equaliser.
A 13 minute party.
Hope the Scots enjoyed it.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 19, 2024, 02:05:38 PMGermany: are they back? :ph34r:
Musiala is too good for most teams. They might indeed be back.
I mean, they have played Scotland and Hungary so far.
Quote from: Josephus on June 19, 2024, 11:17:04 AMWhat the hell is Germany wearing?
Marketing genius.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5570245/2024/06/17/germany-pink-away-kit-adidas/
(https://i.imgur.com/belnJ3X.png)
:D
Quote from: Valmy on June 19, 2024, 02:29:05 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 19, 2024, 02:27:41 PMParty over for Scotland?
1-1 Swiss equaliser.
A 13 minute party.
Hope the Scots enjoyed it.
1-1 final score
Bit more actually. :P :scots:
Serbia threatens to walk out of the Euros unless Croatia and Albania are sanctioned due to their fans finding unity chanting anti-Serb slogans.
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Wasn't croatia sanctioned fir abusing the Canadian goalie last WC? he was of serbian descent.
Quote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 07:10:17 AMSerbia threatens to walk out of the Euros unless Croatia and Albania are sanctioned due to their fans finding unity chanting anti-Serb slogans.
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I dunno. Racism is still racism even when its against a group that themselves are packed with racist genocidal shit munchers.
Worth a slap on the wrist.
Quote from: Josquius on June 20, 2024, 08:12:16 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 07:10:17 AMSerbia threatens to walk out of the Euros unless Croatia and Albania are sanctioned due to their fans finding unity chanting anti-Serb slogans.
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I dunno. Racism is still racism even when its against a group that themselves are packed with racist genocidal shit munchers.
Worth a slap on the wrist.
For sure but I ain't going to be feeling sorry for the Serbs.
Quote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 07:10:17 AMSerbia threatens to walk out of the Euros unless Croatia and Albania are sanctioned due to their fans finding unity chanting anti-Serb slogans.
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That was my reaction wondering how bad the chant could be. Then I clicked on the article.
The chant: "kill, kill, kill the Serb"
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 20, 2024, 08:37:31 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 07:10:17 AMSerbia threatens to walk out of the Euros unless Croatia and Albania are sanctioned due to their fans finding unity chanting anti-Serb slogans.
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15dc804cb0ed0c854d62d0f2168bdfa6509d6f11c62e3af5b790513ea752ac0c.gif?w=800&h=164)
That was my reaction wondering how bad the chant could be. Then I clicked on the article.
The chant: "kill, kill, kill the Serb"
So maybe: wait until the Serbs exit, THEN punish Croatia and Albania?
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 20, 2024, 08:37:31 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 07:10:17 AMSerbia threatens to walk out of the Euros unless Croatia and Albania are sanctioned due to their fans finding unity chanting anti-Serb slogans.
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/15dc804cb0ed0c854d62d0f2168bdfa6509d6f11c62e3af5b790513ea752ac0c.gif?w=800&h=164)
That was my reaction wondering how bad the chant could be. Then I clicked on the article.
The chant: "kill, kill, kill the Serb"
Just goes to show, only one worse than a serb is a croat :P
"You can hear the entire stadium of Croats and Albanians chanting in a heart-warming show of pan-Balkan unit...FFS"
Nothing like a common enemy.
In football. :P
Thank you serbia for the last minute goal, really helped me out in the pool ^_^
Picking ties is for cowards!!!11 :P
Quote from: Valmy on June 20, 2024, 10:26:28 AMPicking ties is for cowards!!!11 :P
In the last pools my lack of tie picking screwed me! Still only like 50/50 on ties anyway :D
Canada MNT lost Herdman because Soccer stupidly employs them full time instead of a per tournament basis.
England just scored vs Denmark, by the way. :bowler:
1-0
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 20, 2024, 11:23:48 AMEngland just scored vs Denmark, by the way. :bowler:
1-0
Get those Danes!
(https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Vikings-20.jpg)
Why is there a Swastika in that image? :hmm:
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 20, 2024, 11:50:56 AMWhy is there a Swastika in that image? :hmm:
Kind of a thing they were into (like many other folks at some point): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_%28Germanic_Iron_Age%29
One of the Vikings converted to Hinduism? :unsure:
Though the funniest remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_Laundry
(https://westcorkpeople.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/swastika-laundry.jpg)
Justice would mean an English defeat, but the Danish team is not really up to it :(
Justice? Am I missing history? Or just a healthy, and warranted, disdain for English football?
Quote from: HVC on June 20, 2024, 11:59:52 AMJustice? Am I missing history? Or just a healthy, and warranted, disdain for English football?
There's some resentment about how things went down when Denmark played England in the last Euro.
In university in the 1990s. I went to visit someone who lived in residence (I did not). I was shocked to see that inlaid in the floor was a repeating swastika in the tiling. The building dated back to the 1920s I think so it was obviously not meant as a nazi symbol (and in any event it was a left-turning swastika - the opposite of the nazi symbol) but still - I was surprised that some busybody in the prior 50 years hadn't complained and demanded what was otherwise some very nice tilework to be covered up.
Actually I googled it - the building (Tache Hall) was built in the 1910s, not 1920s, so clearly not any nazi influence. But about a decade ago it was renovated so it is no longer a student residence. Google could not tell me if the swastikas remained or not - I'm going to guess no.
Quote from: Syt on June 20, 2024, 11:53:48 AMThough the funniest remains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika_Laundry
One second:
QuoteThe Swastika Laundry was an Irish business founded in 1912, located on Shelbourne Road, Ballsbridge, a district of Dublin. Due to its name and logo being associated with the Nazi Party in Germany, the name was changed in 1939 but their logo endured.
Surely the logo's the thing you'd change? :blink:
Also - wonder how the 1939 name change went:
QuoteIn 1939, the laundry changed its name to "The Swastika Laundry (1912)"[2] to make clear the distinction between its use of the name and symbol and the more recent adoption of the symbol by the Nazi Party in Germany.
Strong "will this do?" energy.
Tak Danmark! :)
1-1
Terrific goal!
England with a meh performance for the ages.
Hopefully Spain and Italy give us something fun.
These group stages are so pointless with a bunch of third place teams qualifying too.
But, England aside, they have been pretty fun.
Quote from: Josquius on June 20, 2024, 02:10:30 PMThese group stages are so pointless with a bunch of third place teams qualifying too.
A good chance one of those third places will be England, so be nice :D
Watching TSN is funny. Commentators are Brits. English players could scratch their nuts and the colour commentary would go on about the brilliant move to use his left hand to throw off the opponents :D
Funny because Alan Shearer on co-commentary here was basically like this (particularly about pressing) :lol:
So... Swedish tc commentators said: "It's actually fun to watch Spain this championship!"
And yeah, they've stopped being an embarrassment.
Spains playing better, but I should have looked at the group. A tie takes them both through. Well played Duque.
*edit* Tamas is actually the one who predicted a tie :blush:
Nvm, another own goal :lol:
:lol:
:whistle:
Plenty of time left, though.
Much like its recent political history, Italy is its own worst enemy.
Quote from: HVC on June 20, 2024, 03:13:03 PMNvm, another own goal :lol:
4th of the tournament.
Last minute switch from tie to Spanish victory proved to be a great idea. :smarty:
Quote from: HVC on June 20, 2024, 02:29:59 PMWatching TSN is funny. Commentators are Brits. English players could scratch their nuts and the colour commentary would go on about the brilliant move to use his left hand to throw off the opponents :D
They're not TSN commentators though. They come with the feed.
Southgate is a TERRORIST
Where the hell is this version of Højbjerg at Tottenham?
A respectable 2-0 score.
Stop pretending that your American matches belong to this thread! :mad:
La Roja was impressive yesterday night, despite winning thanks to an Italian own goal. More so than France in their first game.
Donnarumma kept La Nazionale alive, but the talent in other positions is not what it used to be.
Quote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 11:37:49 PMStop pretending that your American matches belong to this thread! :mad:
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Quote from: Grey Fox on June 21, 2024, 06:27:57 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 20, 2024, 11:37:49 PMStop pretending that your American matches belong to this thread! :mad:
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(https://i.giphy.com/i0xGuo4o5PutVo0imJ.webp)
Sorry BB
It was a mistake to pick a draw for Slovakia-Ukraine.
Ukrainian team would be much more useful for their country on the front lines.
Win the euro cup or die on the front line seems a bit harsh :D
Quote from: Tamas on June 21, 2024, 08:21:38 AMIt was a mistake to pick a draw for Slovakia-Ukraine.
Ukrainian team would be much more useful for their country on the front lines.
There's your tie. Let's go slovaks!
Quote from: Tamas on June 21, 2024, 08:21:38 AMIt was a mistake to pick a draw for Slovakia-Ukraine.
Ukrainian team would be much more useful for their country on the front lines.
Maybe not, Ukraine just equalised. :P
54'
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 09:13:28 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 21, 2024, 08:21:38 AMIt was a mistake to pick a draw for Slovakia-Ukraine.
Ukrainian team would be much more useful for their country on the front lines.
There's your tie. Let's go slovaks!
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The Hungarian Effect must continue. Mainly because Tamas' angst amuses me haha
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 09:19:57 AMThe Hungarian Effect must continue. Mainly because Tamas' angst amuses me haha
And now Ukraine leads: 2-1. With 10 minutes remaining, :P
fuck i suck at this pool.
Nice goal
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 21, 2024, 09:38:47 AMQuote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 09:19:57 AMThe Hungarian Effect must continue. Mainly because Tamas' angst amuses me haha
And now Ukraine leads: 2-1. With 10 minutes remaining, :P
Pool wise better than a tie for me :P
Congrats Ukraine.
<_<
At least it was a Ukrainian victory ruining my pick.
Quote from: Josephus on June 21, 2024, 09:39:01 AMfuck i suck at this pool.
You're two picks off from the leaders :D
I'm Mbapman
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/912/cpsprodpb/15ba/live/93d797d0-2f25-11ef-89f0-452ed2ef6233.jpg)
I know it's only the power of the alphabet but it's hysterical to see me at the top of the leaderboard.
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2024, 11:19:17 AMI know it's only the power of the alphabet but it's hysterical to see me at the top of the leaderboard.
You can have the results page, I'm number one in the matrix page :Canuck:
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 11:17:07 AMI'm Mbapman
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/912/cpsprodpb/15ba/live/93d797d0-2f25-11ef-89f0-452ed2ef6233.jpg)
Tu n'as pas du nez pour les têtes ? :frog: :D
First goalless tie of the tournament; no own goal to save the day for either the Oranje or les Bleus. :P
Neither of these teams are winning it this year. My money is on GER or SPA.
What a snoozefest. No French goal in 120 minutes of play, yet 4 points on the counter. Deschamps is so incredibly boring.
I knew the Dutch were pretty bad lately but surprisingly rubbish from France.
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 11:24:43 AMQuote from: Barrister on June 21, 2024, 11:19:17 AMI know it's only the power of the alphabet but it's hysterical to see me at the top of the leaderboard.
You can have the results page, I'm number one in the matrix page :Canuck:
Not anymore. :smarty:
13 my lucky number? :hmm:
Yeah, today was not a good pool day for me lol
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 05:05:15 PMYeah, today was not a good pool day for me lol
and another shitty one for me. :Embarrass:
Quote from: HVC on June 21, 2024, 05:05:15 PMYeah, today was not a good pool day for me lol
I got Austria right!
I have got none of it right.
Czechs attack more than vs Portugal. :P
0-0 for now against Georgia.
Where was this Georgia against turkey?
I am 8 minutes from gaining a point on all of you. :showoff:
Poor Georgian guy, inches from becoming a piece of history.
I'm glad it happened, but that's an embarrassing own goal
Turkish own goal, but not only when it comes to letting Sweden into NATO, but also on the pitch.
Go Portugal, fuck those fuckers up, I hope Pepe breaks their legs.
Quote from: HVC on June 22, 2024, 11:31:27 AMI'm glad it happened, but that's an embarrassing own goal
Legit all the same. :P
Surprisingly unselfish
Quote from: HVC on June 22, 2024, 12:14:29 PMSurprisingly unselfish
Stop parroting propaganda! :D
2 for 3 for me today.
I am a damn genius for picking Belgium and Portugal.
Belgium plays the way I wish France would. Of course you can't discard results in the Deschamps era, but goddamn even when we win it's boring as fuck.
Quote from: Zoupa on June 22, 2024, 04:09:55 PMBelgium plays the way I wish France would. Of course you can't discard results in the Deschamps era, but goddamn even when we win it's boring as fuck.
The Italian experience
Quote from: Valmy on June 22, 2024, 03:51:25 PM2 for 3 for me today.
I am a damn genius for picking Belgium and Portugal.
We're true visionaries :P
Quote from: HVC on June 22, 2024, 04:20:00 PMQuote from: Valmy on June 22, 2024, 03:51:25 PM2 for 3 for me today.
I am a damn genius for picking Belgium and Portugal.
We're true visionaries :P
Welcome to the club!
:cheers:
Tonight, we are all Swiss.
I am sorry.
Damn you Hungary.
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Now all Hungary needs is:
Italy not to lose against Croatia
Spain not lose against Albania
England to beat Slovenia
Dammit, Hungary scores. 90'+ 10'
Didn't watch the game, why so much extra time?
Quote from: HVC on June 23, 2024, 04:09:06 PMDidn't watch the game, why so much extra time?
Serious injury to the Hungarian striker, he was taken to hospital.
Let's go Croatia!
:x
Moment of anger followed by joy.
Come on lesser of two evils!
Quote from: HVC on June 24, 2024, 03:14:19 PMMoment of anger followed by joy.
Come on lesser of two evils!
Italy has a great goalkeeper; shame there is no squad on the same level.
I picked a draw in this so I find myself hoping Italy scores
Fuck
:)
Germany and Italy have failed me :(
Fortunately Orbanistan and Spain pulled through.
German farewell for Scotland, who they've quite liked :lol:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c5111zp7egwo
As Carl Anka said, "this would be funny if it were done as an act of ironic cruelty, but the fact that these are well meaning and sincere people makes it genuinely hilarious" :lol:
Seen on Reddit. All third-place countries at the time of these standings are former part of Austria-Hungary.
(https://i.imgur.com/XRd8871.png)
Not to complicate it but at the early Olympics Austria and Hungary competed separately - so who would have been in which team? :hmm:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 25, 2024, 07:03:24 AMNot to complicate it but at the early Olympics Austria and Hungary competed separately - so who would have been in which team? :hmm:
This 1913 map might help:
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGioFIr.png)
"Fun" fact - Hungarians, when they rebelled against the Habsburgs, exerted pressure on "their" minorities, like Croats, to "Hungarize" them. So must have sucked at the bottom of the pecking order - German-Austrians discriminating against Hungarians, Hungarians discriminating against (e.g.) Croats, etc. It's discrimination all the way down, I guess. :P
Quote from: Syt on June 25, 2024, 07:07:09 AM"Fun" fact - Hungarians, when they rebelled against the Habsburgs, exerted pressure on "their" minorities, like Croats, to "Hungarize" them. So must have sucked at the bottom of the pecking order - German-Austrians discriminating against Hungarians, Hungarians discriminating against (e.g.) Croats, etc. It's discrimination all the way down, I guess. :P
Do you mean 1848? There were "fun" three-way village-burnings between Hungarians, Romanians, assortment of Southern Slavs, IIRC.
Hungarians are far from blameless (not just 1848 but policies post-1867 as well), but it is also worth noting that this was preceded by centuries of Habsburgs routinely playing the various nationalities (mostly non-Hungarians against the uppity Hungarian nobility) against each other.
BTW that last-moment Italian goal has kept Hungarian hopes alive.
Now it will just take the small task of England beating Slovenia to ensure Hungary gets through. :ph34r:
Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2024, 08:36:30 AMBTW that last-moment Italian goal has kept Hungarian hopes alive.
Now it will just take the small task of England beating Slovenia to ensure Hungary gets through. :ph34r:
See the end of today's David Squires :console:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/picture/2024/jun/25/david-squires-on-scotland-england-cristiano-ronaldo-euro-2024?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2024, 08:14:35 AMQuote from: Syt on June 25, 2024, 07:07:09 AM"Fun" fact - Hungarians, when they rebelled against the Habsburgs, exerted pressure on "their" minorities, like Croats, to "Hungarize" them. So must have sucked at the bottom of the pecking order - German-Austrians discriminating against Hungarians, Hungarians discriminating against (e.g.) Croats, etc. It's discrimination all the way down, I guess. :P
Do you mean 1848? There were "fun" three-way village-burnings between Hungarians, Romanians, assortment of Southern Slavs, IIRC.
Hungarians are far from blameless (not just 1848 but policies post-1867 as well), but it is also worth noting that this was preceded by centuries of Habsburgs routinely playing the various nationalities (mostly non-Hungarians against the uppity Hungarian nobility) against each other.
On the bright side all of that turmoil likely encouraged my Ruthenian ancestors to migrate to the prairies of Canada in around 1900.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 25, 2024, 09:25:15 AMQuote from: Tamas on June 25, 2024, 08:14:35 AMQuote from: Syt on June 25, 2024, 07:07:09 AM"Fun" fact - Hungarians, when they rebelled against the Habsburgs, exerted pressure on "their" minorities, like Croats, to "Hungarize" them. So must have sucked at the bottom of the pecking order - German-Austrians discriminating against Hungarians, Hungarians discriminating against (e.g.) Croats, etc. It's discrimination all the way down, I guess. :P
Do you mean 1848? There were "fun" three-way village-burnings between Hungarians, Romanians, assortment of Southern Slavs, IIRC.
Hungarians are far from blameless (not just 1848 but policies post-1867 as well), but it is also worth noting that this was preceded by centuries of Habsburgs routinely playing the various nationalities (mostly non-Hungarians against the uppity Hungarian nobility) against each other.
On the bright side all of that turmoil likely encouraged my Ruthenian ancestors to migrate to the prairies of Canada in around 1900.
You and your family sure missed out on a lot of fun.
Yep, my paternal ancestors also missed out on all the fun by migrating from a village just outside of what was then known as Königsberg at about the same time.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 25, 2024, 09:32:33 AMYep, my paternal ancestors also missed out on all the fun by migrating from a village just outside of what was then known as Königsberg at about the same time.
:lol: Talk about dodging bullets.
Guess what, an own goal again. :D Austria 1 Netherlands 0
La chatte à Dédé ! :lol:
Some normality restored: Batavians equalise, a minute in the 2nd half.
Quote from: Tamas on June 25, 2024, 08:14:35 AMQuote from: Syt on June 25, 2024, 07:07:09 AM"Fun" fact - Hungarians, when they rebelled against the Habsburgs, exerted pressure on "their" minorities, like Croats, to "Hungarize" them. So must have sucked at the bottom of the pecking order - German-Austrians discriminating against Hungarians, Hungarians discriminating against (e.g.) Croats, etc. It's discrimination all the way down, I guess. :P
Do you mean 1848? There were "fun" three-way village-burnings between Hungarians, Romanians, assortment of Southern Slavs, IIRC.
Hungarians are far from blameless (not just 1848 but policies post-1867 as well), but it is also worth noting that this was preceded by centuries of Habsburgs routinely playing the various nationalities (mostly non-Hungarians against the uppity Hungarian nobility) against each other.
That may be, but my head canon is more poetic. :P
Austria scores again (looked like an o.f) but credited to Schmid.
2-1
Mbappé, or rather France, scores at last!
1-0 for les Bleus
I'm all for NL being embarrassed, but I keep giving them too much credit in my pool picks.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2024, 12:27:38 PMMbappé, or rather France, scores at last!
1-0 for les Bleus
Penalty, right?
Quote from: HVC on June 25, 2024, 12:29:06 PMI'm all for NL being embarrassed, but I keep giving them too much credit in my pool picks.
They heard you. They just equalised. :P
Guess what, Austria scored again. :lol:
Austria leads the group as it stands
Poland equalises, as well. :D
Austria had a goal disallowed (off-side).
So Austria are good now?
This tournament is annoying. I'm too used to the world cup halfway across the world with games on during the day to watch while I work.
The timing of these means I never get to see them <_<
Getting to the round of 16 is not really a surprise for this Austrian squad.
As the first of the group, it is, however.
At least France scored a goal.
A moment of Austrian glory not seen since the days of Prince Eugene of Savoy.
And a really shitty start to the day for my picks :lol:
Quote from: Valmy on June 25, 2024, 01:12:29 PMAt least France scored a goal.
A moment of Austrian glory not seen since the days of Prince Eugene of Savoy.
And a really shitty start to the day for my picks :lol:
Like Louis XIV's France with Prince Eugene, France could use the best Austrian. :P
Ugh, portugal is in a bad knockouts spot. On the side of France, Spain, and Germany.
Quote from: HVC on June 25, 2024, 01:30:05 PMUgh, portugal is in a bad knockouts spot. On the side of France, Spain, and Germany.
All of them are, not just Portugal. :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 25, 2024, 01:32:52 PMQuote from: HVC on June 25, 2024, 01:30:05 PMUgh, portugal is in a bad knockouts spot. On the side of France, Spain, and Germany.
All of them are, not just Portugal. :P
Don't care about the other ones :D
looks like Italy will have an easy ride.
Alexi Lalas is the OvB of football commentary. Just utter excrement.
Austrian football fans, for whom the biggest glory has been kicking our Germany in the 1978 World Cup, will be insufferable. :P
Quote from: Syt on June 25, 2024, 01:44:34 PMAustrian football fans, for whom the biggest glory has been kicking our Germany in the 1978 World Cup, will be insufferable. :P
I saw some rejoicing over the Batavians losing to Austria, by the Germans at the hostel. :D
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 25, 2024, 01:40:32 PMAlexi Lalas is the OvB of football commentary. Just utter excrement.
It is amazing how far one can get just by having distinctive hair and no other positive attributes.
What'd he do?
Quote from: HVC on June 25, 2024, 02:01:33 PMWhat'd he do?
I have no idea. He was just a mediocre player who got famous for looking a certain way, and we have had to endure his weird celebrity status ever since.
I didn't think it was possible, but England play an even slower and more boring game than France. Wow.
Denmark playing Germany next. Not super optimistic there, but I guess we'll see...
Southgate's England are so boring good god
Quote from: Jacob on June 25, 2024, 03:59:50 PMDenmark playing Germany next. Not super optimistic there, but I guess we'll see...
Switzerland showed how to beat this team. If you disturb their short pass game, they have few other options.
Call me crazy, but I don't think englands going to bring it home this year.
Quote from: HVC on June 25, 2024, 04:23:26 PMCall me crazy, but I don't think englands going to bring it home this year.
I don't know. 2 goals in 3 games with 2 ties. That's the kind of group record that brings championships.
Quote from: FunkMonk on June 25, 2024, 04:19:13 PMSouthgate's England are so boring good god
So stupid question. Is it the style the coach is making them play, or the players the coach selected or a combination of the two?
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 25, 2024, 08:59:18 PMQuote from: FunkMonk on June 25, 2024, 04:19:13 PMSouthgate's England are so boring good god
So stupid question. Is it the style the coach is making them play, or the players the coach selected or a combination of the two?
The regular England watchers here can probably give you a much better answer but for me, all these players excel at their respective clubs. It's not the players, it's what their coach is telling them to do and how to play.
He isn't a great tactician and he has a pretty conservative style of play, which makes sense since the international game is much more conservative in general. It just makes for a turgid watch sometimes.
Agree with FM. Man to man the England squad is as good as any, which is why they are highly rated. And they also do quite well in qualifying. But in tournament matches he has them play a very plodding style
That story sounds familiar from earlier tournaments where England underperformed compared to expectations.
Last time they were in the final...
They've massively overperformed under Southgate compared to almost every other time. Underperformed if judging by player quality perhaps, but overperformed when compared to normal English play.
Quote from: Threviel on June 26, 2024, 01:16:23 AMLast time they were in the final...
They've massively overperformed under Southgate compared to almost every other time. Underperformed if judging by player quality perhaps, but overperformed when compared to normal English play.
Yeah - semi-final, final, quarters is a pretty big outperformance from any England team I've known. Of course that does mean the expectation and pressure has grown as with Russia especially they went in with zero expectation - Southgate was seen pretty negatively (just a "yes man" for the FA) and it was the tournament after they got knocked out by Iceland.
I think he probably should have left after Qatar as that was the end of a "cycle" and everything he'd said had been about building to Qatar. But who knows.
The criticism in England has been less underperformance, because they haven't. More that it's conservative/boring and that he needs to let the players play - that may be tied to the overperformance of course.
QuoteSo stupid question. Is it the style the coach is making them play, or the players the coach selected or a combination of the two?
In part it's definitely the coach. I think Southgate is quite cautious and conservative, he's also quite rigid and not very good at reacting to changes quickly. I loved Carl Anka's description of him as someone who will follow a recipe exactly to the letter even as the pan is boiling over - most of the time it works but when it's not he doesn't respond and cannot add a little something to it :lol:
On the other hand - international football is often a bit more cautious and conservative because the players are only together a few weeks of the year so the complicated/intuitive stuff they have with their clubs just can't develop.
There are good players in the team. Kane was, I think, Bundesliga top scorer last year I think Bellingham was La Liga player of the year, there are a number of players who were a big part of City winning the Champion's League last season. I'm not sure what they are or aren't capable of together at an international level - this is a very English thing to say but I do think there's a little bit of a lack of leadership and communication on the pitch. I also don't think there's really many players in the squad who can come off the bench and change things (which is really difficult).
I think deciding not to include Grealish or Rashford in the squad were big decisions that were widely questioned here. I think that'll keep coming up if the performances stay this tepid.
England's trouble is they're too unbalanced with a few positions having more than one top player. This results in players being picked and played out of position in a way that just doesn't work.
I kinda feel like Parker coming on and being his usual savage Energizer bunny self highlighted that the other players werent that keen on breaking a sweat, but still I also blame Southgate for the likely demise of the Hungarian team.
:lol: Fair - and the same is true with Gordon who is, if nothing else, a player who will run at people. Probably needs more than give minutes though. But I think that does go back to Southgate - I think he has a fixed idea of how the team should be set out and play - and generally his record is very good so he gets that right. But if it's not working or he needs to react I think he struggles and I think he does not like a "risky" player.
And the case for the defence which I've no doubt Southgate would make is that they're top of their group and they've kept two clean sheets. Tournament favourites who play thrilling football rarely end up winning - it's more often the teams who are defensively solid. I suspect he'd also point to France (and I think he is not dissimilar to Deschamps in style - which again can be painful when you look at the players France have and how you imagine they could play) - and the other big countries, like Italy who have also slightly laboured their way through the groups. And perhaps the point Southgate would make, is England have been really turgid and dull but rarely looked about to lose or wide open.
Just have to hope the England team were treating the game like a friendly warm up because it was basically pointless and they've a big game later in the week.
See also a lot of the criticsms of Gregg the Egg Berhalter of the US men's team.
As I understand the way things are right now, all of Group E except Romania will advance. I can live with that.
I'm very, very confused by Group E - too many permutations for me :lol: :blush:
Romania heard you. Ukraine has the 4th spot right now.
Score or go home Ukraine.
Pool makes me hate this game lol
Sorry Ukraine.
Congrats to the rest of Group E.
I think this means we get France vs Belgium.
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2024, 12:56:00 PMPool makes me hate this game lol
Oh yeah. All these ties are killing me in the pool.
Fortunately, no ties in the knock out round.
Tamas did well. :mad:
Quote from: Josephus on June 26, 2024, 01:06:49 PMTamas did well. :mad:
But the Hungary Effect lives on, so there's that :lol:
Also is portucal going to get the Netherlands?
Ukraine came so close to scoring
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2024, 01:10:09 PMAlso is portucal going to get the Netherlands?
I thought England do, but I may be mistaken
I forgot I predicted a tie for both. :lol:
:showoff:
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2024, 01:10:09 PMAlso is portucal going to get the Netherlands?
England will get Slovakia or Netherlands I think - I don't understand how they're doing the 3rd place thing. I believe Denmark got through because of fewer fouls :lol:
God dammit
Georgia! :w00t:
Edit: Best country I've ever visited as a tourist, first time in the Euros - love this :)
Edit: Also Tbilisi went wild when they qualified - and apparently Georgia's games have been getting a 90% TV audience. If they hold onto this lead it'll be crazy tonight.
So they've beaten Cyprus and portugal lol
I mean, good for them on their first euros. Although the underdog of my heart was albania.
In more pool news, God damn you turkey.
Don't understand how the third place thing was worked out but next round:
QuoteSwitzerland v Italy
Germany v Denmark
England v Slovakia
Spain v Georgia
France v Belgium
Portugal v Slovenia
Romania v Netherlands
Austria v Turkey
Looks like Italy is going to the finals :D
I thought England was getting the Dutch.
This third place thing is so stupid.
I fancy the Swiss over Italy.
Ugh, Slovakia. Southgate will again turn on the "it's a small team so make sure you don't get counterattacked, you are bound to happenstance on a goal eventually" strategy.
Yup England lose on penalties
Despite the email I got from the picks thing sounding like dodgy marketing I went on to pick for the second round- what the hell I thought, why not, lets be last place in style. Doubtless everyone else put some thought into this and has updated their picks as form became clear after the first game or two...
Nope.
I'm not in last place. Wow.
Other than maybe the Spain Georgia game, those matchups have all the promise of the excitement of watching paint dry.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 27, 2024, 07:39:55 AMOther than maybe the Spain Georgia game, those matchups have all the promise of the excitement of watching paint dry.
France-Belgium is a obvious one that should be good. Rivals and both recently great. Belgium shall be embarrassed.
Switzerland-Italy should be decent.
Two lower-good teams and kind of a local rivalry going on.
Germany-Denmark may be promising too, provided Denmark doesn't completely park the bus.
Quote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:44:07 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on June 27, 2024, 07:39:55 AMOther than maybe the Spain Georgia game, those matchups have all the promise of the excitement of watching paint dry.
France-Belgium is a obvious one that should be good. Rivals and both recently great. Belgium shall be embarrassed.
Switzerland-Italy should be decent.
Two lower-good teams and kind of a local rivalry going on.
Germany-Denmark may be promising too, provided Denmark doesn't completely park the bus.
France Belgium is the one I think will be the most boring based on how the teams have played in this tournament. You might be thinking about the matchup happening years ago - when the Belgian side last played well.
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 27, 2024, 07:48:28 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:44:07 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on June 27, 2024, 07:39:55 AMOther than maybe the Spain Georgia game, those matchups have all the promise of the excitement of watching paint dry.
France-Belgium is a obvious one that should be good. Rivals and both recently great. Belgium shall be embarrassed.
Switzerland-Italy should be decent.
Two lower-good teams and kind of a local rivalry going on.
Germany-Denmark may be promising too, provided Denmark doesn't completely park the bus.
France Belgium is the one I think will be the most boring based on how the teams have played in this tournament. You might be thinking about the matchup happening years ago - when the Belgian side last played well.
The group stages were unimportant. It was far more important not to lose than to win.
Winning is the only option in the knockouts. I do think France will come alive. Belgium will try but they're not the team they were a few years ago.
Quote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:52:17 AMI do think France will come alive.
I sure hope so. Right now watching them play is a great sleep aid.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2024, 08:59:42 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:52:17 AMI do think France will come alive.
I sure hope so. Right now watching them play is a great sleep aid.
Yep
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2024, 08:59:42 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:52:17 AMI do think France will come alive.
I sure hope so. Right now watching them play is a great sleep aid.
Has France ever been super exciting? I mean they're not Italy level, but I don't ever recall being thrilled.
Quote from: HVC on June 27, 2024, 09:48:40 AMQuote from: Valmy on June 27, 2024, 08:59:42 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:52:17 AMI do think France will come alive.
I sure hope so. Right now watching them play is a great sleep aid.
Has France ever been super exciting? I mean they're not Italy level, but I don't ever recall being thrilled.
Yes? Usually? I mean I found them super exciting in the 2022 World Cup. I have to go back about 20 years to find them this dull.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2024, 09:56:01 AMQuote from: HVC on June 27, 2024, 09:48:40 AMQuote from: Valmy on June 27, 2024, 08:59:42 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 27, 2024, 07:52:17 AMI do think France will come alive.
I sure hope so. Right now watching them play is a great sleep aid.
Has France ever been super exciting? I mean they're not Italy level, but I don't ever recall being thrilled.
Yes? Usually? I mean I found them super exciting in the 2022 World Cup. I have to go back about 20 years to find them this dull.
Not really. It's been the rule under Deschamps; see Denmark-France in 2018 for instance. :P
As for les Bleus being exciting, that's for the old ones so 1958 :D, 1982 to 1986 I would say.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 27, 2024, 10:11:10 AMNot really. It's been the rule under Deschamps; see Denmark-France in 2018 for instance. :P
As for les Bleus being exciting, that's for the old ones so 1958 :D, 1982 to 1986 I would say.
Well yeah, France already won the first two games. They were just trying not to lose against Denmark
As for the 1980s, I have been entertained plenty by Platini's corruption controversies I don't need to watch him play.
Quote from: Valmy on June 27, 2024, 10:16:28 AMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 27, 2024, 10:11:10 AMNot really. It's been the rule under Deschamps; see Denmark-France in 2018 for instance. :P
As for les Bleus being exciting, that's for the old ones so 1958 :D, 1982 to 1986 I would say.
Well yeah, France already won the first two games. They were just trying not to lose against Denmark
As for the 1980s, I have been entertained plenty by Platini's corruption controversies I don't need to watch him play.
I'd rather watch him play football than have him ruining the game at UEFA level (Europe-wide tournament; 16 to 24 etc.), not just by corruption with his buddy Blatter a.k.a the greedy gnome of Zurich. :D
Nice goal. Although should have waited until second day half since now Italy might wake up and not play for a tie :ph34r:
Italy are weak at the moment. Switzerland on the other hand are in a bit of a golden (well. Silver at least) generation.
Italy have been truly awful
And I was gonna pick the Swiss too, but second guessed myself :(
Quote from: Gups on June 29, 2024, 12:02:12 PMItaly have been truly awful
60 minutes in and not a shot on goal
Quote from: HVC on June 29, 2024, 12:13:00 PMAnd I was gonna pick the Swiss too, but second guessed myself :(
Me too. We are both sucking
Quote from: Josephus on June 29, 2024, 12:30:17 PMQuote from: HVC on June 29, 2024, 12:13:00 PMAnd I was gonna pick the Swiss too, but second guessed myself :(
Me too. We are both sucking
:hug:
Completely irrelevant but I thought the bbc presenters were in a studio with computer graphics to make it look like they were on top of the Brandenburg Gate.
Turns out somehow they're there for real.
Well I didn't see that one coming
Quote from: Josquius on June 29, 2024, 12:59:13 PMCompletely irrelevant but I thought the bbc presenters were in a studio with computer graphics to make it look like they were on top of the Brandenburg Gate.
Turns out somehow they're there for real.
The pictures I find online looks like their studio is on Pariser Platz (one Side of which is the Brandenburg Gate and which also has the US and French embassy), but not on the Brandenburg Gate itself.
That stadium roof seems poorly constructed.
Quote from: Zanza on June 29, 2024, 02:46:11 PMThat stadium roof seems poorly constructed.
Needs a dome
So, short suspension or reschedule?
Edit* NVM out they come.
Feel bad for denmark. From thinking your winning to knowing you're losing in a few minutes is tough.
Wasn't awesome, no.
I am not following football anymore, but the extremely strict rules that led to Denmark's goal not counting because the player was supposedly a centimeter or so offside and the hand penalty where the touch seemed both unintended and inconsequential seem way over the top. The referee together with technology just executed the rules, but the rules seem too strict now.
Quote from: Zanza on June 29, 2024, 10:23:23 PMThe extremely strict rules that led to Denmark's goal not counting because the player was supposedly a centimeter or so offside and the hand penalty where the touch seemed both unintended and inconsequential seem way over the top. The referee together with technology just executed the rules, but the rules seem too strict now.
Ditto.
Yes. It is really annoying but at the same time the line has to be drawn somewhere for off side.
If it was drawn at say 90% of the body onside is OK then that would just lead to iffy decisions with different parts poking out and this extreme being pushed to the max.
In essence the complaint is the rules are being applied too consistently which.... Well yeah. Objectively wrong.
The only solutions that come to mind are ridiculous and overly engineered and would inevitably also be exploited to the max.
As to handball, this definitely does need toning down.
Quote from: HVC on June 29, 2024, 12:13:00 PMAnd I was gonna pick the Swiss too, but second guessed myself :(
I thought Torontan grudges would give you an anti-Italian bias? :D
Wasn't this referee team English? It is fitting they continue their incompetent havoc with VAR, even outside the Premiership.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 30, 2024, 04:57:26 AMQuote from: HVC on June 29, 2024, 12:13:00 PMAnd I was gonna pick the Swiss too, but second guessed myself :(
I thought Torontan grudges would give you an anti-Italian bias? :D
This pool has made me begrudgingly cheer on teams far too many times :D
In a surprise to literally no one - no changes by Southgate :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 30, 2024, 10:39:26 AMIn a surprise to literally no one - no changes by Southgate :lol:
Highest paid coach in the tournament :D
Apologies, one change.
England are looking terrible. But not boring.
And the ref is clearly on Slovakias payroll: populist dictators stick together?
Ref likes the yellow card.
Quote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 11:14:21 AMRef likes the yellow card.
Loves a booking :lol:
Lovely to see a ref determined that VAR won't be a talking point.
Quote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 11:26:10 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 30, 2024, 11:12:52 AMEngland are looking terrible.
Indeed
It feels very "must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending."
Still early. England can still lose on a shoot out.
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2024, 11:37:57 AMStill early. England can still lose on a shoot out.
:lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 30, 2024, 11:37:40 AMQuote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 11:26:10 AMQuote from: Josquius on June 30, 2024, 11:12:52 AMEngland are looking terrible.
Indeed
It feels very "must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending."
Team cohesion seems off in general. All tournament. Should have taken them on one of those bullshit corporate team building retreats :P
Please God let Southgate become manager of Manchester United after Ten Hag gets inevitably sacked in December :lol:
Quote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 11:47:05 AMTeam cohesion seems off in general. All tournament. Should have taken them on one of those bullshit corporate team building retreats :P
Yes. This has been one of Southgate's successes but it does feel like something's gone wrong/they're not a happy camp. Especially basic things they've not done well and not improved so far over the last few weeks - that fees like a training camp problem.
I wonder if things like dropping Grealish and Rashford from the squad maybe had a bigger impact on other players' morale?
Yeah it's really weird. Totally lost what made them good last time round.
Last euros it was said add a few more years to the young team and they'd be world beaters.
The players are better... But they've totally lost the spirit they had somehow.
Henderson was key all along?
No changes at half time :lol:
Great opportunity for Slovakia, from the midfield. :D
After an offside English goal.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 30, 2024, 12:15:48 PMGreat opportunity for Slovakia, from the midfield. :D
After an offside English goal.
Would have been a hilarious goal that symbolizes England's game so far.
The ref must really have gotten in trouble for all those yellow cards.
Theres a Slovakian done 3 or 4 bookable fouls now.
Quote from: Josquius on June 30, 2024, 12:25:37 PMThe ref must really have gotten in trouble for all those yellow cards.
Theres a Slovakian done 3 or 4 bookable fouls now.
No pleasing you :D
Speaking of yellows, penalty seeker that flopped over deserved a yellow.
Quote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 12:30:45 PMSpeaking of yellows, penalty seeker that flopped over deserved a yellow.
It was not Harry Kane, before someone asks. :P
Quote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 12:18:31 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on June 30, 2024, 12:15:48 PMGreat opportunity for Slovakia, from the midfield. :D
After an offside English goal.
Would have been a hilarious goal that symbolizes England's game so far.
Oh yes! Southgate would then have been forced to unleash the dogs of
war offense. :P
England just hit the post! Is England cursed, or jinxed by Valmy or what?
Still 10 minutes to play, however.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 30, 2024, 12:06:21 PMNo changes at half time :lol:
Re this. We entered stoppage time a goal down and Southgate still had three subs :lol:
Fuck
Leaving alone an English player in the box for a bicycle kick?
Well, 1-1.
Can Slovakia recover?
Quote from: Valmy on June 30, 2024, 11:37:57 AMStill early. England can still lose on a shoot out.
This is your fault :ultra: :D
How do you delete posts? Asking for a friend.
Southgate is a genius
England actually look fun when Southgate puts on all the attackers and selects "Ultra Attacking" on the controller.
Just as I was thinking "well. At least if England lose look at the state of those flags. Some abaolute scum will be crying" the jamminess kicked in.
Insanity from Southgate in not substituting earlier.
Well that was unexpected
So the Iverian team scores against the other Iberian team. :hmm:
In a great counter, first time they entered the Spanish half.
Robino El Normando blamed by French TV for the goal.
Worse than António Silva in the game versus the previous Iberian team? Own goal, after all, though Silva's mistake seemed bigger. :hmm:
0 shots, 1 goal :lol:
Quote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 02:25:30 PM0 shots, 1 goal :lol:
France qualified to the round of 16 that way!! Willy Sagnol, Georgian coach, is French.
Coincidence? I don't think so!
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 30, 2024, 02:28:52 PMQuote from: HVC on June 30, 2024, 02:25:30 PM0 shots, 1 goal :lol:
France qualified to the round of 16 that way!! Willy Sagnol, Georgian coach, is French.
Coincidence? I don't think so!
:D
Valencia is either gonna pay a lot more for their goalie, or make a killing on transfer.
Rodri equalises!
Party over for Georgia?
PS: goal was checked for possible offside by Morata. Goal confirmed.
No second own goal, for Spain this time, off-side.
3-1 for Spain on the next goal chance.
Over, with less than 15 minutes to play.
Is the Spain Germany game really the final in the sense the winner of that game will likely go on to win the tournament?
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 01, 2024, 09:32:37 AMIs the Spain Germany game really the final in the sense the winner of that game will likely go on to win the tournament?
I'd imagine so, yes.
France might still have something to say.
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2024, 09:48:23 AMFrance might still have something to say.
Maybe, let's see if they can play as a team against Belgium today.
Quote from: celedhring on July 01, 2024, 09:48:23 AMFrance might still have something to say.
Ahem
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Flag_of_Portugal.svg)
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 01, 2024, 09:51:55 AMQuote from: celedhring on July 01, 2024, 09:48:23 AMFrance might still have something to say.
Maybe, let's see if they can play as a team against Belgium today.
Not convinced they have much to say
Quote from: HVC on July 01, 2024, 11:26:33 AMQuote from: celedhring on July 01, 2024, 09:48:23 AMFrance might still have something to say.
Ahem
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Flag_of_Portugal.svg)
Let's be serious.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 01, 2024, 11:52:21 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 01, 2024, 09:51:55 AMQuote from: celedhring on July 01, 2024, 09:48:23 AMFrance might still have something to say.
Maybe, let's see if they can play as a team against Belgium today.
Not convinced they have much to say
Hey! They are just lulling Belgium to sleep...get them complacent and then...BOOM! Force a 0-0 shootout.
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2024, 11:54:42 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 01, 2024, 11:52:21 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 01, 2024, 09:51:55 AMQuote from: celedhring on July 01, 2024, 09:48:23 AMFrance might still have something to say.
Maybe, let's see if they can play as a team against Belgium today.
Not convinced they have much to say
Hey! They are just lulling Belgium to sleep...get them complacent and then...BOOM! Force a 0-0 shootout.
:D
France has three goals all tournament. 2 own goals and a penalty. Thrilling :lol:
Well Belgium managed to score and so France goes through. :D
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Quote from: Zoupa on July 01, 2024, 12:54:32 PM:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Haha, I thought you'd be pleased?
Hahahahaha
France wins by doing nothing.
Quote from: HVC on July 01, 2024, 12:58:02 PMQuote from: Zoupa on July 01, 2024, 12:54:32 PM:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Haha, I thought you'd be pleased?
I want the France from 98-2006 who played like the Brazilians of Europe. This defensive bloc, positioning game, with like 5 touches before you pass is drab and boring. I pray this is Deschamps' last tournament.
I agree it's less then entertaining, as I mentioned before, but I never under estimate Frances luck.
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2024, 01:02:20 PMHahahahaha
France wins by doing nothing.
Tournament winning behaviour :ph34r:
But violence against football with that talent :lol:
This is why the Copa is better. Euros play boring football with no redeeming qualities while the Copa is also boring football but with eviscerated corpses on the pitch and referees running for the lives.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 01, 2024, 01:17:13 PMThis is why the Copa is better. Euros play boring football with no redeeming qualities while the Copa is also boring football but with eviscerated corpses on the pitch and referees running for the lives.
:yes: one bad call away from a homicide.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 01, 2024, 01:17:13 PMThis is why the Copa is better. Euros play boring football with no redeeming qualities while the Copa is also boring football but with eviscerated corpses on the pitch and referees running for the lives.
UEFA won't host it in Turkey because they're cowards. (Total aside I feel Mourinho inserting himself into Turkish football is dangerous :lol:)
On outside chances of winning I am really enjoying Austria.
:zipped:
Ronaldo :lol:
And now he is crying
The commentary on Ronaldos reaction :lol:
"but there's still 15 minutes to go!"
"I've not seen anything like this. Not in many many years"
Ronaldo will avenge that by scoring the winning penalty kick
Told ya
Woooo!
Yeah, Spain-Germany is definitely the real final. :P
Quote from: Josephus on July 01, 2024, 04:32:20 PMRonaldo will avenge that by scoring the winning penalty kick
:hug:
After today it's clear even as awful as England have been their destiny of losing to Germany in the final is still possible.
Seriously. So many apparently decent teams just being crap this year.
Switzerland's got this tournament in the bag.
Quote from: Josephus on July 01, 2024, 04:43:00 PMTold ya
Well, he scored one, eventually bit not the winning one. :contract: Bold move however, to take the first shot.
You also missed the part about Diogo Costa stopping 3 penalties. :P
And stopping the break away after Pepe's mistake.
For the Star Trek fans, the slovenia's Sesko's full name is Benjamin Sesko* :D
*yes I know it's not the right spelling, but close enough
Quote from: HVC on July 01, 2024, 06:43:39 PMAnd stopping the break away after Pepe's mistake.
Sim senhor!
Jawohl!
Pepe had to be substituted in the end. Really tired.
Well, I had tickets for most of the Selecção games but I am not sure I can afford to stay for more games in Germany. I shouldn't, in any case.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 01, 2024, 06:41:07 PMQuote from: Josephus on July 01, 2024, 04:43:00 PMTold ya
Well, he scored one, eventually bit not the winning one. :contract: Bold move however, to take the first shot.
You also missed the part about Diogo Costa stopping 3 penalties. :P
I'd say he did score the winning one. They only needed the one.
I'm glad he went first this time not last like in the Spain-Portugal shoot out.
I think Neymar's done the same and I get unreasonably angry at the arrogance of going for the glory spot in a penalty shoot out :blush:
I forgot to pick for the Portugal game. :(
Quote from: Tamas on July 02, 2024, 09:25:43 AMI forgot to pick for the Portugal game. :(
It's ok, makes me look better :console:
Turkey! :w00t:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 02, 2024, 02:02:07 PMTurkey! :w00t:
I thought you were an Austria fan boy? :lol:
I want turkey to lose just over my annoyance in regards to their new name :P
Quote from: HVC on July 02, 2024, 02:04:18 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 02, 2024, 02:02:07 PMTurkey! :w00t:
I thought you were an Austria fan boy? :lol:
I want turkey to lose just over my annoyance in regards to their new name :P
This is such nonsense, Hungary should start insisting they are called Magyarország to teach people a lesson.
My own petty answer is to start calling the bird Türkiyes :D . Came up with the idea on Languish.
Quote from: HVC on July 02, 2024, 02:04:18 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 02, 2024, 02:02:07 PMTurkey! :w00t:
I thought you were an Austria fan boy? :lol:
I want turkey to lose just over my annoyance in regards to their new name :P
:lol: I've enjoyed Austria in this tournament. Also I like Rangnick and always want people to do well who have "failed" in the Premier League (or, more accurately: Chelsea, Liverpool or Manchester United) and are then treated very dismissively by the English press.
I got really sucked into the "Turkey: dark horse" discourse of the last few years and they just disappointed. Want them to do well.
And also in Austria v Turkey - always Turkey, all the time :lol: :ph34r:
QuoteThis is such nonsense, Hungary should start insisting they are called Magyarország to teach people a lesson.
I don't really have an issue with that :lol:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 02, 2024, 02:21:58 PMI got really sucked into the "Turkey: dark horse" discourse of the last few years and they just disappointed. Want them to do well.
I've had a place in my heart for turkey since WC 2002 and their goalie Rustu (who my mother lovingly called Roster). That all changed after the stupid name thing. Yes, I'm that petty :D
Osterreich
:w00t: That was very fun and exhausting just to watch.
That was a really fun game. What a save at the death
That was a football match.
Damn, I missed it
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 02, 2024, 03:53:27 PM:w00t: That was very fun and exhausting just to watch.
It is an exhausting night for Non-Turks in Germany but not a fun one. :D
Best round of 16 game, without contest.
Just watched the highlights. Wow! And that save at the end!!
Turkeys gonna have trouble next game with the yellow suspensions.
Quote from: Tamas on July 02, 2024, 02:18:35 PMQuote from: HVC on July 02, 2024, 02:04:18 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 02, 2024, 02:02:07 PMTurkey! :w00t:
I thought you were an Austria fan boy? :lol:
I want turkey to lose just over my annoyance in regards to their new name :P
This is such nonsense, Hungary should start insisting they are called Magyarország to teach people a lesson.
Make it Magyarland and you have my consent.
Turns out the sport really is properly called soccer.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C86w-e-o31N/?igsh=MjJzbW5zYmNkNmQx
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 03, 2024, 10:27:27 AMTurns out the sport really is properly called soccer.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C86w-e-o31N/?igsh=MjJzbW5zYmNkNmQx
No.
The original name was always football. But then that covered a myriad games including stuff more like your codes.
It is known(ish. A lot of ignorant people) that soccer is a word invented by public school poshos who were more into rugby.
I used to have a PE teacher who was a rugby guy and always called football soccer.
Though these days that has largely dropped out of fashion, I don't think you get anyone under 70 who considers rugby the true football.
It didn't say it was the original name, I said proper name.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 03, 2024, 06:18:57 PMIt didn't say it was the original name, I said proper name.
I don't know how you get to that.
Its proper name is Association Football.
Soccer is a nickname used by old school toffs, yanks, and yank-adjacents.
Quote from: Josquius on July 03, 2024, 11:13:12 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 03, 2024, 10:27:27 AMTurns out the sport really is properly called soccer.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C86w-e-o31N/?igsh=MjJzbW5zYmNkNmQx
No.
The original name was always football. But then that covered a myriad games including stuff more like your codes.
It is known(ish. A lot of ignorant people) that soccer is a word invented by public school poshos who were more into rugby.
I used to have a PE teacher who was a rugby guy and always called football soccer.
Though these days that has largely dropped out of fashion, I don't think you get anyone under 70 who considers rugby the true football.
It's like people calling rugby (union or league) rugger. :smarty:
Quote from: Josquius on July 04, 2024, 03:11:10 AMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 03, 2024, 06:18:57 PMIt didn't say it was the original name, I said proper name.
I don't know how you get to that.
Its proper name is Association Football.
Soccer is a nickname used by old school toffs, yanks, and yank-adjacents.
You are in full class warfare mode so missed why I used of the word "properly" in the context of the how the word soccer was created.
Take a breathe and think about it again.
It still doesn't make sense. What is use of proper you're using?
Quote from: Josquius on July 04, 2024, 07:30:47 AMIt still doesn't make sense. What is use of proper you're using?
You correctly point out that the word came from an upper class origin, if you also consider who adds the annoying affectation of an er sound to words, and you think about the group that insists on "proper" conduct you might see it.
:boring:
You are much like BB, you view everything through a very literal personal lens.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 04, 2024, 10:13:25 AMYou are much like BB, you view everything through a very literal personal lens.
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The proper name of football is football, because that's what it is. If you don't think so you are wrong. End of story.
Quote from: Tamas on July 04, 2024, 10:28:44 AMThe proper name of football is football, because that's what it is. If you don't think so you are wrong. End of story.
Hungary needs more Traditionalists to come back home :P
Ouch. Old Germany coming back, :ph34r:
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 03, 2024, 10:27:27 AMTurns out the sport really is properly called soccer.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C86w-e-o31N/?igsh=MjJzbW5zYmNkNmQx
Late 1800s Oxford fads in slang do not define what is "proper" today. Evidence dismissed.
The world is changing, Spain is playing a quick and entertaining game.
This could go any way, but I think Spain is looking better. 60/40 advantage Spain.
Almost too easy
I must say that I have an irrational dislike of Spain. I don't care how they play, I dislike them. Fuckers. Well deserved goal though.
Quote from: Threviel on July 05, 2024, 12:16:53 PMI must say that I have an irrational dislike of Spain. I don't care how they play, I dislike them. Fuckers. Well deserved goal though.
I am the same with Germany.
Germany must think they're in the wrong cup. Woke up in a copa america mood haha
Spain is the dementor of football. Sucks out all joy and happiness and only leaves a feeling of emptiness and despair.
I guess I'll root for the gomerry happy and playful Iberian side, Portugal.
I agree heyday was a boring as hell keep away game, but they're more entertaining to watch now.
Is there an explanation behind the pink haired German?
How many yellows should kroos have :lol:
Quote from: HVC on July 05, 2024, 01:07:37 PMHow many yellows should kroos have :lol:
4 at least
Quote from: HVC on July 05, 2024, 12:41:27 PMI agree heyday was a boring as hell keep away game, but they're more entertaining to watch now.
Yeah, old habits die hard, they have a gigantic debt. This game Spain plays very nice and entertaining. Hawaii football.
And just as I was beginning to enjoy watching Spain, a player dives down like he was shot.
Deserved.
Well deserved Spanish goal, they've been playing really well. Good game from both sides, they could both have won but Spain had the edge and deserves the win I think.
Yep, great goal. And they had the balance of play
That was a great final
Let's hope for a future where Pepe fucks them up.
In seriousness both teams deserved to go further, two best teams in the tournament so far.
Quote from: Threviel on July 05, 2024, 01:39:45 PMLet's hope for a future where Pepe fucks them up.
In seriousness both teams deserved to go further, two best teams in the tournament so far.
I was kind of hoping for a pepe kroos showdown ;)
I fell asleep after the first five minutes. Did I miss anything?
Portugal fought valiantly, Portugal fought nobly, Portugal fought honorably. And Portugal lost.
:P
Game wasn't overly entertaining, but I think (in my biased view :lol: ) Portugal played better. Oh well. Ronaldo was a liability out there.
Oh FFS.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 05, 2024, 03:50:43 PMI fell asleep after the first five minutes. Did I miss anything?
Penalties. Really poor match. France particularly dull
Was rooting for Portugal here, we always struggle against France.
Rooting for France (and against Ronaldo), so I'm happy. :frog:
Quote from: Tamas on July 05, 2024, 04:44:00 PMOh FFS.
Starting to feel that France is inevitable. And they'll do it without scoring a goal from open play :lol: :ph34r:
The revenge of the Maginot Line! Victory without attacking! :lol:
I was rooting for Portugal after the first 10 minutes. I want Deschamps out so fucking bad.
The way France celebrated after "winning" was way out of touch too. This was the dullest display I've seen in years, and they're out there hopping about like they beat 1958 Brazil or something.
I also fell asleep.
Did Ronaldo cry?
It's football, they all cry :D
Switzerland's path gets easier by the day.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 05, 2024, 01:29:33 PMAnd just as I was beginning to enjoy watching Spain, a player dives down like he was shot.
(https://mgoblog.com/sites/default/files/users/user95916/WorldCup1.gif)
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 05, 2024, 07:47:36 PMSwitzerland's path gets easier by the day.
Of those left I'm ok with that or spain.
I also fell asleep watching France :lol:
Quote from: Josquius on July 06, 2024, 01:47:43 AMI also fell asleep watching France :lol:
Damn, Josqu goes French on us! :lol:
Zzzzzzzz
Quote from: Josephus on July 06, 2024, 11:44:59 AMZzzzzzzz
Wake up! 1-0 for Switzerland, Embolo.
Now Southgate will take the gloves off. :D
1-1. He heard me. :lol:
What's with the atrocious haircuts of lots of English players?
Quote from: Threviel on July 06, 2024, 01:33:34 PMWhat's with the atrocious haircuts of lots of English players?
Business as usual? :P
That first Swiss penalty was really badly taken.
Stupid Swiss, should've finished the job in extra time.
Congrats England
A Dutch win away from an all Western Europe semi-final round.
Quote from: Valmy on July 06, 2024, 01:42:50 PMA Dutch win away from an all Western Europe semi-final round.
Why did you have to do that :cry:
Quote from: Maladict on July 06, 2024, 01:47:53 PMQuote from: Valmy on July 06, 2024, 01:42:50 PMA Dutch win away from an all Western Europe semi-final round.
Why did you have to do that :cry:
I already picked you in the pool :menace:
A England-France final for the most boring match ever?
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:04:49 PMA England-France final for the most boring match ever?
Since Spain-Sweden last time at least.
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:04:49 PMA England-France final for the most boring match ever?
Trying to reverse jinx them or what? :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 06, 2024, 02:09:02 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:04:49 PMA England-France final for the most boring match ever?
Trying to reverse jinx them or what? :P
If only I could :lol:
1-0 for Turkey. Another sleepless night for Germans?
Worth it for the greater good.
My girlfriend won't be sleeping in the garden tonight. But that was not a fun game.
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:44:00 PMWorth it for the greater good.
Of whom? England? Nein, danke!
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 06, 2024, 03:11:25 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:44:00 PMWorth it for the greater good.
Of whom? England? Nein, danke!
The Dutch must suffer <_< I've blown the pool sufficiently that now I can now vote with my heart lol
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 03:14:40 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on July 06, 2024, 03:11:25 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:44:00 PMWorth it for the greater good.
Of whom? England? Nein, danke!
The Dutch must suffer <_< I've blown the pool sufficiently that now I can now vote with my heart lol
This a game between two squads regularly beaten by Portugal, the bête noire for the both of them arguably.
Who cares, now that the Selecção is out?
Referee Clément Turpin, infamous in France, not being – too – bad. :hmm:
With 25 minutes left to play, Turks are closer to score a second goal than the Dutch to equalise.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 06, 2024, 03:21:29 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 03:14:40 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on July 06, 2024, 03:11:25 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:44:00 PMWorth it for the greater good.
Of whom? England? Nein, danke!
The Dutch must suffer <_< I've blown the pool sufficiently that now I can now vote with my heart lol
This a game between two squads regularly beaten by Portugal, the bête noire for the both of them arguably.
Who cares, now that the Selecção is out?
Personal animosity. It's all I have left :cry: :lol:
Football destroys my soul.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 06, 2024, 03:24:21 PMReferee Clément Turpin, infamous in France, not being – too – bad. :hmm:
With 25 minutes left to play, Turks are closer to score a second goal than the Dutch to equalise.
Reverse jinx worked! :D
So the second Dutch was a Turkish own goal, after all, as it seemed.
The victory goal.
Quote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:04:49 PMA England-France final for the most boring match ever?
France is the first team to get to the semi-finals of the Euros without conceding or scoring a goal. Meanwhile England in their last two games have had 3 shots on target and scored 3 goals :lol: :bleeding:
It would very much not be one for the neutrals.
Yeah, but could some brit explain the haircuts?
Who are you thinking of? Those haircuts all seem pretty normal to me and, for footballers, almost approaching sensible :lol: :ph34r:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2024, 06:55:14 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:04:49 PMA England-France final for the most boring match ever?
France is the first team to get to the semi-finals of the Euros without conceding or scoring a goal. Meanwhile England in their last two games have had 3 shots on target and scored 3 goals :lol: :bleeding:
It would very much not be one for the neutrals.
In such a scenario I *really* hope France wins. Sorry, English fans are insufferable enough as it is :lol:
That's the thing with watching England.
They win, I'm happy that they won.
They lose, I'm happy that some absolute scum are crying.
Quote from: HVC on July 07, 2024, 07:20:45 AMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 06, 2024, 06:55:14 PMQuote from: HVC on July 06, 2024, 02:04:49 PMA England-France final for the most boring match ever?
France is the first team to get to the semi-finals of the Euros without conceding or scoring a goal. Meanwhile England in their last two games have had 3 shots on target and scored 3 goals :lol: :bleeding:
It would very much not be one for the neutrals.
In such a scenario I *really* hope France wins. Sorry, English fans are insufferable enough as it is :lol:
Scylla or Charybdis scenario, that.
But I agree, France is the lesser evil in this case.
France defeating England in a final would be delicious. But I'd rather have them go out in the semifinal, just to be safe :goodboy:
Wait so you guys find England more insufferable than France?
I can't help but feel this means the English have already won
Quote from: Valmy on July 07, 2024, 11:48:04 AMWait so you guys find England more insufferable than France?
I can't help but feel this means the English have already won
English
fans
If Spain does not win we are doomed to watch boring international games for at least a generation as every coach emulates the winning strategy.
Although on England fans - the video from Edgbaston of India and Pakistan cricket fans taking a break from their game to watch the penalties was great :lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 07, 2024, 01:39:35 PMIf Spain does not win we are doomed to watch boring international games for at least a generation as every coach emulates the winning strategy.
Correct, but also ironic given what Spain did to football '08-'12.
England could also pretend to be trailing one goal from the beginning of every game, that would be fun.
Quote from: HVC on July 07, 2024, 11:51:15 AMQuote from: Valmy on July 07, 2024, 11:48:04 AMWait so you guys find England more insufferable than France?
I can't help but feel this means the English have already won
English fans
Add to it that I live in the Spanish Med coast and you can see my dread.
Quote from: celedhring on July 07, 2024, 02:19:52 PMQuote from: HVC on July 07, 2024, 11:51:15 AMQuote from: Valmy on July 07, 2024, 11:48:04 AMWait so you guys find England more insufferable than France?
I can't help but feel this means the English have already won
English fans
Add to that that I live in the Spanish seaside and you can see my dread.
Double-check your insurance :ph34r:
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 07, 2024, 04:45:22 AMWho are you thinking of? Those haircuts all seem pretty normal to me and, for footballers, almost approaching sensible :lol: :ph34r:
As in evil normalcy I guess. :D
Still not as stylish as your Bundesliga/ '80s mullet haircut. :P Known in some countries as German haircut/German neck (nuque à l'allemande). :P
So actually the Swiss goal triggering Southgate to let the team play football and their penalty-taking performance has turned me around to be positive about the England team, BUT the articles hailing Southgate as a genius because we lucked out against SWITZERLAND is a bit nauseating.
My annoyance is the way England has been playing and performing the last few tournaments gives the picture of an upper-middle tier team punching above its weight (which is great), yet the picture painted is of one of the great teams doing what's expected. And you end up with things like wins against Panama celebrated like an actual achievement, and whatnot.
Thinking about it it mostly seems that I have seen Foden lots of times.
(https://static.independent.co.uk/2024/04/04/11/GettyImages-2109912343.jpg?quality=75&width=640&auto=webp)
:bleeding:
Quote from: Tamas on July 08, 2024, 03:30:43 AMSo actually the Swiss goal triggering Southgate to let the team play football and their penalty-taking performance has turned me around to be positive about the England team, BUT the articles hailing Southgate as a genius because we lucked out against SWITZERLAND is a bit nauseating.
My annoyance is the way England has been playing and performing the last few tournaments gives the picture of an upper-middle tier team punching above its weight (which is great), yet the picture painted is of one of the great teams doing what's expected. And you end up with things like wins against Panama celebrated like an actual achievement, and whatnot.
It's pretty hard to work out what to think. He's the most successful manager for England for decades. An excellent tournament record. But he has fantastic players at his disposal and makes bizzare tactical choices like playing Trippier on the left when he is completely right footed. The lack of movement from England players when playing the ball out is just mystifying too. Winners always get a free pass but we really are so hard to watch.
Quote from: Tamas on July 08, 2024, 03:30:43 AMSo actually the Swiss goal triggering Southgate to let the team play football and their penalty-taking performance has turned me around to be positive about the England team, BUT the articles hailing Southgate as a genius because we lucked out against SWITZERLAND is a bit nauseating.
Great stat that between 1968 and 2016, England won six knock out games at international tournaments; 2017 to 2024 and I believe we've won eight. But, for example, repeatedly last game it looked like there was a set piece routine just to get the ball back to Pickford - it was so weird. I think we were better against Switzerland - incredibly boring but in a less stressful way than previously.
I'd add that I see a lot more anger and moaning. But being angry and moaning for not playing well enough, in our third semi-final in four tournaments and after winning a penalty shootout (and scoring all penalties!) - is wild. Growing up this is what I assumed it would be like to be German or Brazilian :lol:
Quote from: Tamas on July 08, 2024, 03:30:43 AMSo actually the Swiss goal triggering Southgate to let the team play football and their penalty-taking performance has turned me around to be positive about the England team, BUT the articles hailing Southgate as a genius because we lucked out against SWITZERLAND is a bit nauseating.
My annoyance is the way England has been playing and performing the last few tournaments gives the picture of an upper-middle tier team punching above its weight (which is great), yet the picture painted is of one of the great teams doing what's expected. And you end up with things like wins against Panama celebrated like an actual achievement, and whatnot.
Did you pick Panama on purpose? 😄
Quote from: Threviel on July 08, 2024, 04:10:19 AMThinking about it it mostly seems that I have seen Foden lots of times.
(https://static.independent.co.uk/2024/04/04/11/GettyImages-2109912343.jpg?quality=75&width=640&auto=webp)
:bleeding:
Maybe he's just a big fan of the young priest from Fifth Element. :P
(https://i.imgur.com/YHZc9k0.png)
I guess it's a "see, I have a weirdly shaped head on purpose" cut
Don't care at all about England, I just want my son Bukayo Saka to do well and stay healthy. Please Gareth don't kill him
Found Duque :D
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9HkaNxNFHY/?igsh=eWx2YWFlbmJqYmg1
Quote from: HVC on July 08, 2024, 06:29:42 PMFound Duque :D
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9HkaNxNFHY/?igsh=eWx2YWFlbmJqYmg1
lol
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/05/fox-sports-soccer-coverage-us-european-championship-copa-america-alexi-lalas
QuoteLalas, predictably, has been at the heart of Fox's slickest on-screen moves this summer, and despite a slow start – in which it appeared he'd been deployed as a clown, a pure American idiot to entertain the Europeans on set – he's grown into the summer impressively. Ponying up in a pastel suite of summer suits from Men's Wearhouse, his thinning orange locks swept into a Trumpy scroll, the Big A has commanded the desk from his far-right perch with customary charmlessness and belligerence. In a tournament filled with "creative moments of the half, sponsored by IBM", Lalas often appears to be sponsored by IBS, launching into his uncontrollable verbal tirades ("HOLY SCHICK!", "THIS IS THE NEW ROMANTIC WAY TO PLAY MY FRIEND!", "VAR SAYS NEIN!") with the projectile force of a bout of diarrhea
And then, of course, there's Donovan – Fox's star man in the gantry, a lawn mower made flesh and blood. After Nico Williams missed an easy header in front of goal early in Spain's group match against Italy, Donovan flatly intoned, "What a chance this is for Nico Williams, he's going to have nightmares about this Ian" – and you could tell that the nightmare had already begun with Donovan's delivery, the syllables unvarying in pitch and volume, the drama of on-field events communicated with all the emotional intensity of a dot matrix printer
Also in Germany for the duration of the Euros is Tom Rinaldi, who's been unleashed on Europe to make the old continent pay for its sins in a kind of reverse Marshall plan. Rinaldi, from what I can gather, is a pitchside "poet" whose main function on Fox is to bulk up the broadcast with a few minutes of over-written filler
:lol:
Man, even off the feild Clint Dempsey is better than Donovan.
Quote from: HVC on July 08, 2024, 07:45:05 PMMan, even off the feild Clint Dempsey is better than Donovan.
Is that a debate on-the-pitch? Genuinely curious. Always thought Donovan was very overrated.
Quote from: celedhring on July 09, 2024, 01:46:21 AMQuote from: HVC on July 08, 2024, 07:45:05 PMMan, even off the feild Clint Dempsey is better than Donovan.
Is that a debate on-the-pitch? Genuinely curious. Always thought Donovan was very overrated.
He was the darling of the USMT. Don't know if that's been rectified over the years but i distinctly remember being flummoxed at the time.
Dempsey was the best US player of his generation that wasn't a goalie, imho.
Admittedly, he won me many fantasy leagues so I might not be completely objective.
The ref for the next engalnd game was suspended for match fixing in the past? How's he still a ref let only anywhere near the euros?
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 01:23:47 PMThe ref for the next engalnd game was suspended for match fixing in the past? How's he still a ref let only anywhere near the euros?
England needs all the support they can get? :D
Guess France can score.
Pitch falling apart already?
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:14:45 PMPitch falling apart already?
This is Munich, not Frankfurt. :D
Spain seems to suffer a lot from the missing players, be them wounded or suspended.
PS: seems I jinxed France. Yamal just equalised. :lol: What a great goal!
By a 16 year old.
Soon 17, (born on July 13th) but your point still stands.
And now an own goal! :lol:
Against les Bleus this time, for a change.
France has two goals. One for them and one for spain
So les Bleus can still claim it's a tie. :hmm:
Why do they keep booing coocoo-bird?
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:25:54 PMFrance has two goals. One for them and one for spain
Looks like they changed to goal. Gave it to Olmo
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:35:06 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:25:54 PMFrance has two goals. One for them and one for spain
Looks like they changed to goal. Gave it to Olmo
So it's no longer a tie. :P
I totally thought this game wasn't until later in the week.
And I missed France scoring a goal.
Is it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 09, 2024, 02:42:51 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:35:06 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:25:54 PMFrance has two goals. One for them and one for spain
Looks like they changed to goal. Gave it to Olmo
So it's no longer a tie. :P
Still, all the way to semis on one goal is something. Not a good something, but something all the same.
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 03:57:39 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on July 09, 2024, 02:42:51 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:35:06 PMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 02:25:54 PMFrance has two goals. One for them and one for spain
Looks like they changed to goal. Gave it to Olmo
So it's no longer a tie. :P
Still, all the way to semis on one goal is something. Not a good something, but something all the same.
Indeed.
It's called « La chatte à Dédé » in French. :P
Quote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMI totally thought this game wasn't until later in the week.
And I missed France scoring a goal.
Is it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
It's you. There were a lot of entertaining pool games.
You may have been watching too many games involving France and England. Those were mainly terrible to watch.
Thankfully Spain won. There is still hope for teams adopting exciting play styles.
Quote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMIs it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
There's too much football. Most of these players have played a lot of domestic and European competitions already, plus UEFA and FIFA always trying to squeeze out more international games.
In a weird (concerning) way, it's possibly why Qatar was so good from a footballing perspective. It was in the middle of the (European) season so lots of players weren't knackered. Mbappe has already played 48 games this season, I think Kane's been playing about 50 games a season for the last 4-5 years - and then the Euros start.
You either need smaller leagues, less European football or fewer internationals - and for all of the bodies involved in that it's their cash cow. I think it's bad for the players but I also think it means a lot of them are just really exhausted by the time the international tournament starts.
Now, do I want to see Spain crush English dreams or Dutch? With the Dutch there's a chance they could actually play well and win. Hmm. Decisions decisions. Guess it depends on who pays the ref the most :lol:
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:02:34 PMThankfully Spain won. There is still hope for teams adopting exciting play styles.
Waiting for threviel to confirm. :P
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 09, 2024, 04:14:47 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMIs it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
There's too much football. Most of these players have played a lot of domestic and European competitions already, plus UEFA and FIFA always trying to squeeze out more international games.
In a weird (concerning) way, it's possibly why Qatar was so good from a footballing perspective. It was in the middle of the (European) season so lots of players weren't knackered. Mbappe has already played 48 games this season, I think Kane's been playing about 50 games a season for the last 4-5 years - and then the Euros start.
You either need smaller leagues, less European football or fewer internationals - and for all of the bodies involved in that it's their cash cow. I think it's bad for the players but I also think it means a lot of them are just really exhausted by the time the international tournament starts.
If you moved international games to the winter northern countries would have more of a chance. Finish football powerhouses? :ph34r:
Good thing Fifa are starting a brand new competition in the club world cup. These players need less rest and more fatigue.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 09, 2024, 04:18:53 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:02:34 PMThankfully Spain won. There is still hope for teams adopting exciting play styles.
Waiting for threviel to confirm. :P
He holds a grudge, but acknowledges current realities :D
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 09, 2024, 04:14:47 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMIs it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
There's too much football. Most of these players have played a lot of domestic and European competitions already, plus UEFA and FIFA always trying to squeeze out more international games.
In a weird (concerning) way, it's possibly why Qatar was so good from a footballing perspective. It was in the middle of the (European) season so lots of players weren't knackered. Mbappe has already played 48 games this season, I think Kane's been playing about 50 games a season for the last 4-5 years - and then the Euros start.
You either need smaller leagues, less European football or fewer internationals - and for all of the bodies involved in that it's their cash cow. I think it's bad for the players but I also think it means a lot of them are just really exhausted by the time the international tournament starts.
I do think it's part of it. Though I'd lean less towards too much and more towards the risks and rewards just being so much greater in club football.
Back in the 20th century it's perfectly believable someone would take a career risking chance to try and win a major international tournament.
These days... It's just not worth it. Internationals are to be taken calmly and avoiding any injuries.
Risking a decent but still mortal level career vs. Bazillionaire Superstardom is quite different.
But then yeah. That you've been playing too much would make the risks by default higher.
But certainly true it's mad how basically non existent the gap between the seasons and the euros seems to have been.
Doubtless premier league teams have a different setup but Sunderland has its first 2 pre season friendlies on Saturday.
For fewer internationals.... Maybe it's my imagination but didn't england used to play a lot more friendlies where players would get their first and second caps? Trying out absolute fringe players, division one players even. I suspect sometimes not even with an eye towards them being in a competitive England team and more just rewarding them for playing well or relations with their clubs or... God knows what.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:20:12 PMGood thing Fifa are starting a brand new competition in the club world cup. These players need less rest and more fatigue.
:lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:20:12 PMGood thing Fifa are starting a brand new competition in the club world cup. These players need less rest and more fatigue.
Exactly :bleeding: They need to unionise properly like in American sports.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 09, 2024, 04:22:35 PMQuote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:20:12 PMGood thing Fifa are starting a brand new competition in the club world cup. These players need less rest and more fatigue.
Exactly :bleeding: They need to unionise properly like in American sports.
They already make big bucks. You need poor athletes to start a union.
I fear we're still gonna be stuck with Deschamps "he took us to the semi-finals".
What an absolute bore. Even Spain parked the bus after the first 20 minutes. I can't wait for the Premier League to start back up.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:01:25 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMI totally thought this game wasn't until later in the week.
And I missed France scoring a goal.
Is it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
It's you. There were a lot of entertaining pool games.
You may have been watching too many games involving France and England. Those were mainly terrible to watch.
Eh there's a lot of truth in what he is saying. Club football has surpassed international football in quality, tactics, and narrative.
You are still right. There have been some great games and exciting teams in the Euros. Same thing with Copa America. But they honestly suck huge assholes compared to the champions league or top tier league football in general.
So Lamine Yamal was uh 12 years old when Covid struck. :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:25:42 PMEh there's a lot of truth in what he is saying. Club football has surpassed international football in quality, tactics, and narrative.
Although, I think the real reason Jos is absolutely right that international football peaked in the 1990s is because that is, coincidentally, when I was a kid.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 09, 2024, 04:32:41 PMQuote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:25:42 PMEh there's a lot of truth in what he is saying. Club football has surpassed international football in quality, tactics, and narrative.
Although, I think the real reason Jos is absolutely right that international football peaked in the 1990s is because that is, coincidentally, when I was a kid.
Having watched Italy '90 back then, I disagree.
:P
True :lol:
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:20:12 PMGood thing Fifa are starting a brand new competition in the club world cup. These players need less rest and more fatigue.
To be honest, I don't mind this to an extent. It helps level the playing field at home if the top teams have extra competitions to juggle.
We see this fairly often where not playing in the champions league is a big financial blow so it's not something to cheer for at all, but ignoring all that side of things, your attractiveness to signings et al, it does give you a bit of a boost. Hence the top 4 being challenged a little sometimes rather than being completely unshakable.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:01:25 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMI totally thought this game wasn't until later in the week.
And I missed France scoring a goal.
Is it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
It's you. There were a lot of entertaining pool games.
You may have been watching too many games involving France and England. Those were mainly terrible to watch.
Involving the top teams?
I am struggling a bit to sympathise on the exhaustion front, even though I understand it to a degree. A lot of people need to put up with jobs which are stressful and demanding on the level they are at, without any sort of break or letup, for a helluva less compensation.
Sure - it's not pleading sympathy for them. Though I'd add that footballers have very, very weird employment situations. I can leave my employer - I'm not locked in for a five year contract to be traded to another company anywhere else in the country or world. But as you say, at the top level, they are very well-compensated.
But, they are athletes - it's physical. As I say with Mbappe or Kane, for example, they're playing about 50 games in, say, 40 weeks for their club - plus international breaks through that and, when there's a tournament and they go deep, another 8 at the end of the season. My point isn't stress or that it's demanding, or asking for sympathy. It's simply that it is physical, they're elite athletes and you can't just keep adding more and more games that they have to play in without that having an impact on performance levels in those games. And I think it's why we do tend to see it in international tournaments at the end of the season. And why, for all that was wrong with it, the winter World Cup had some of the best international football (and certainly the best final) I've ever seen.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 09, 2024, 04:25:42 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:01:25 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 09, 2024, 03:13:21 PMI totally thought this game wasn't until later in the week.
And I missed France scoring a goal.
Is it just me or has this euros just been one big cripple fight? Bar Spain and Germany basically everyone is either on a good day Meh (normal) or meant to be good but playing shit.
How internationals have fallen. International football peaked in the late 90s and it's just been a slide towards irrelevance since.
It's you. There were a lot of entertaining pool games.
You may have been watching too many games involving France and England. Those were mainly terrible to watch.
Eh there's a lot of truth in what he is saying. Club football has surpassed international football in quality, tactics, and narrative.
You are still right. There have been some great games and exciting teams in the Euros. Same thing with Copa America. But they honestly suck huge assholes compared to the champions league or top tier league football in general.
I agree with your points entirely.
I disagreed with the characterization that the tournament was a bunch of "cripple fights".
The issue with international football - besides the lack of team cohesion - is the fact that the single-leg format in the tournament knockout stages makes coaches extremely cautious, and has been like that for decades now.
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 04:20:19 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on July 09, 2024, 04:18:53 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:02:34 PMThankfully Spain won. There is still hope for teams adopting exciting play styles.
Waiting for threviel to confirm. :P
He holds a grudge, but acknowledges current realities :D
A Guardian writer described it best
QuoteBy the end as Spain's young players danced on the touchline it was impossible not to see this as a win for something freer, more geared towards individualism and improvised moments; and a significant event in a sport that is increasingly encased within its own iron mask of systems, athleticism and control. Spain's football is essentiality optimistic in nature. They have been a candle at this tournament.
Quote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 04:20:19 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on July 09, 2024, 04:18:53 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:02:34 PMThankfully Spain won. There is still hope for teams adopting exciting play styles.
Waiting for threviel to confirm. :P
He holds a grudge, but acknowledges current realities :D
Yeah, Spain is playing entertaining this time around, perhaps it can like '06 when my view on Italy took a turn around.
I didn't watch yesterday's game, quite bored with this cup really.
Quote from: Threviel on July 10, 2024, 07:50:07 AMQuote from: HVC on July 09, 2024, 04:20:19 PMQuote from: Duque de Bragança on July 09, 2024, 04:18:53 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 09, 2024, 04:02:34 PMThankfully Spain won. There is still hope for teams adopting exciting play styles.
Waiting for threviel to confirm. :P
He holds a grudge, but acknowledges current realities :D
Yeah, Spain is playing entertaining this time around, perhaps it can like '06 when my view on Italy took a turn around.
I didn't watch yesterday's game, quite bored with this cup really.
Watch the highlights, if only for the kids goal :)
I want a Scottish announcer for the English game :D
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C9MmwhBuwx9/?igsh=bTk1MXEzNzA1cG05
So tonight, we are all Batavians, even HVC. :P
Hopefully, we don't jinx them. :D
Reluctantly, once more, yes.
Although I picked England in the pool because hope against hope I think they'll win. Not like I've been very accurate though :lol:
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 10, 2024, 01:53:45 PMSo tonight, we are all Batavians, even HVC. :P
Hopefully, we don't jinx them. :D
Not liking the thought of being beaten by Spain in a final, again. Also, they'd better not win the first title since 1988 while I'm out of the country :rolleyes:
But yeah, England must not win.
Oh wow
Quote from: HVC on July 10, 2024, 01:57:19 PMReluctantly, once more, yes.
Although I picked England in the pool because hope against hope I think they'll win. Not like I've been very accurate though :lol:
You are free to choose any means necessary to jinx England, as long as it works. :P
Nice goal for the Dutch bastards.
England improving. Too early for the Dutch to fall asleep...
Dammit, penalty (check) for England.
Going to have to work to force penalty kicks now England.
Bullshit call
No way that was pen
Looks like refs getting a new car :ph34r:
Quote from: HVC on July 10, 2024, 02:19:06 PMLooks like refs getting a new car :ph34r:
A Rolls-Royce no doubt :lol:
England so much better this match
This is a great game
Quote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 02:25:50 PMEngland so much better this match
They are. Which makes their other performances more annoying.
It's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Maybe it's the opposite not packing the box. Not sure.
Depay out, injured.
™La chatte à Southgate™ ?
Two teams that usually lose in a dramatic and heartbreaking way. Two games left for them to do it in.
Spain-Germany was the true final.
Quote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 02:32:11 PMThis is a great game
Well I'm pissed. Trapped in the battle of bedtime. Fingers crossed I see a full second half.
Quote from: Josquius on July 10, 2024, 02:54:35 PMQuote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 02:32:11 PMThis is a great game
Well I'm pissed. Trapped in the battle of bedtime. Fingers crossed I see a full second half.
Hah me too. The one night he refuses to go to sleep on schedule
NyQuil :contract:
Languish is dyeing!!! of old age. :P
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 10, 2024, 02:34:26 PMIt's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Yup. They have fallen asleep agsin. Best thing for England is for Holland to score
Quote from: Josephus on July 10, 2024, 03:16:51 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 10, 2024, 02:34:26 PMIt's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Yup. They have fallen asleep agsin. Best thing for England is for Holland to score
The Dutch have adapted
Quote from: Josephus on July 10, 2024, 03:16:51 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 10, 2024, 02:34:26 PMIt's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Yup. They have fallen asleep agsin. Best thing for England is for Holland to score
Southgate yelled at his guys for being entertaining?
Quote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 03:20:27 PMQuote from: Josephus on July 10, 2024, 03:16:51 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 10, 2024, 02:34:26 PMIt's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Yup. They have fallen asleep agsin. Best thing for England is for Holland to score
The Dutch have adapted
Yep, seems just a matter of time before they score.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2024, 03:29:58 PMQuote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 03:20:27 PMQuote from: Josephus on July 10, 2024, 03:16:51 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 10, 2024, 02:34:26 PMIt's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Yup. They have fallen asleep agsin. Best thing for England is for Holland to score
The Dutch have adapted
Yep, seems just a matter of time before they score.
You jinxed them! :ultra:
Dammit, England scored with only stoppage to play.
It's a great goal, as a matter of fact.
No penalties this time
What a goal too!
Beautiful
Well, ¡Fuerza Roja! it is then, next Sunday.
Makes me think of Lars Lagerbäck. Sweden's best manager since '94. He was ridiculed for being boring and kicked out and since then we've not had it and he went on to take on England with Iceland...
Methinks the English will miss Southgate in years to come.
I'm pleased the Dutch lost in soul crushing fashion at least.
My concern is 1st period England could offer a challenge for Spain. 2nd period England would be rolled over. Hope Southgate goes 2nd period England.
Gonna celebrate with a scotch and a spliff
Quote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 03:58:59 PMGonna celebrate with a scotch and a spliff
:o reefer madness
I saw most of the second half.
It did look familiar... But good goal.
On Southgate I've just spur of the moment thought of a solution.
Soithgate remains head coach.
We appoint some eccentric foreigner as second head coach.
Southgate governs games that matter.
The crazy guy gets free reign when it comes to nations league and the like. Let's say he's allowed half a dozen of the same player picks max.
For science.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 10, 2024, 03:50:41 PMQuote from: crazy canuck on July 10, 2024, 03:29:58 PMQuote from: Gups on July 10, 2024, 03:20:27 PMQuote from: Josephus on July 10, 2024, 03:16:51 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 10, 2024, 02:34:26 PMIt's weird. They really only wake up a goal down apparently.
Yup. They have fallen asleep agsin. Best thing for England is for Holland to score
The Dutch have adapted
Yep, seems just a matter of time before they score.
You jinxed them! :ultra:
Dammit, England scored with only stoppage to play.
It's a great goal, as a matter of fact.
It was a great goal
It really is coming home. Wow.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 04:47:14 PMIt really is coming home. Wow.
It would have been cooler if France had won the Euro on Bastille Day :(
But I don't think we can just assume Spain is going to roll over for England.
Quote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 04:47:14 PMIt really is coming home. Wow.
To the 2008 and 2012 winners? :unsure:
The Empire will strike back!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isuKrA9UgPY
Quote from: HVC on July 11, 2024, 10:35:30 AMQuote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 04:47:14 PMIt really is coming home. Wow.
To the 2008 and 2012 winners? :unsure:
You forgot about the Franco(r)gasm of 1964! :contract: :P
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on July 11, 2024, 11:25:00 AMQuote from: HVC on July 11, 2024, 10:35:30 AMQuote from: FunkMonk on July 10, 2024, 04:47:14 PMIt really is coming home. Wow.
To the 2008 and 2012 winners? :unsure:
You forgot about the Franco(r)gasm of 1964! :contract: :P
It's not so much I forgot than it was I didn't know :D
I'm not sure what to think now. I'm still pretty sure Spain is going to take this, but I didn't expect England to come out yesterday and, for once, play like they actually belonged here.
No consolation final?
Quote from: Josephus on July 13, 2024, 09:13:28 AMNo consolation final?
I don't ever remember there being a 3rd place game for the Euros?
There is still some residual anger in me that Norway, with Ødegaard and Haaland, did not make this championship. And, fair warning, here is a few lines of rant:
Ødegaard is the best Norwegian player I have seen. I thought when he signed for Real Madrid at what, 12, that there is one more talent wasted. At Arsenal, he grew into a superb provider and playmaker, a real number 10. Haaland knows one thing, and that's where the goal is.
I have not been impressed much by any of the teams this year. The Swiss were actually fun to watch, and that is a sign of doom when anything Swiss is entertaining without offering a tax break or a secret bank account.Or being called Toblerone. England stepped up in the semis. They, unlike before, have very talented players yet waiting to be used properly. The weakness is Pickford.
I am fairly certain England's going to throw it away, blow it away etc once more. But at least they'll do with players earning collectively more per month than Burkina Faso's GDP. So don't say the Tories did nothing in their 14 years.
Quote from: HVC on July 13, 2024, 09:29:23 AMQuote from: Josephus on July 13, 2024, 09:13:28 AMNo consolation final?
I don't ever remember there being a 3rd place game for the Euros?
You would have to be around in 1980 to remember it. :P
I predict 3-0 to Spain. It won't even be close.
Don't jinx us please :P
Tonight, we are all Iberians. :P
Spain will win. I think. But this has been a forgettable tournament for the outsider.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GSRzOVlX0AAtcxx?format=jpg&name=small)
Come on England, for King and Country and for the bank Holiday!
Quote from: Tamas on July 14, 2024, 02:36:46 PMCome on England, for King and Country and for the bank Holiday!
They're coming home! :D
The football gods kept things balanced and true.
Wish the kid scored, but an assist will do.
A much better second half, that goes without saying. :P Great goals.
French referee did not screw up à la Marc Bata(rd) or Tony Chapron (penalty forgotten in the first half? :hmm: ).
:)
For the first time ever Spain won in football by not defecating on the very idea of football.
England played very well, but Spain was very superior and although the game wasn't as entertaining as the final against Germany they played well and tried to go for the second goal.
In alla boring final in an uninteresting championship
Quote from: Threviel on July 14, 2024, 04:05:17 PMFor the first time ever Spain won in football by not defecating on the very idea of football.
England played very well, but Spain was very superior and although the game wasn't as entertaining as the final against Germany they played well and tried to go for the second goal.
In alla boring final in an uninteresting championship
Only when they were down, as was their style the whole tournament. Things could have been different if they played that way the whole match.
England only played well when first suffering a goal...
Better team won, which is unfortunate because I wanted England to win :(
Quote from: Threviel on July 10, 2024, 03:54:44 PMMakes me think of Lars Lagerbäck. Sweden's best manager since '94. He was ridiculed for being boring and kicked out and since then we've not had it and he went on to take on England with Iceland...
Methinks the English will miss Southgate in years to come.
Yeah. I think on the one hand he has been outstanding - by some distance the best manager in my lifetime who's made England a competitor in basically every tournament. But I also feel that, perhaps, his time has come. So I do worry about that.
Flipside is that while I have always been team Southgate - my whole perception of him and what he's done is very shaped by the play about his time at England, Dear England, and some of the reporting around him. That all emphasises that a lot of what Southgate has done has basically been about culture and that's something that I hope lasts regardless of the manager. I'd hope you can keep the culture shift with a different manager and approach. But who knows :(
A swap between Southgate and Deschamps would be interesting. :lol:
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Having just read in the Guardian that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are among the names under consideration if Southgate goes, I now think that Southgate should be offered the job for life.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 15, 2024, 02:45:23 PMHaving just read in the Guardian that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are among the names under consideration if Southgate goes, I know think that Southgate should be offered the job for life.
:D yes if those are the alternatives Southgate should get tenure.
In terms of results with 2/3 finals Southgate is the best England manager ever (surely 2 silvers beats a gold?)
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 15, 2024, 02:45:23 PMHaving just read in the Guardian that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are among the names under consideration if Southgate goes, I now think that Southgate should be offered the job for life.
:D
Quote from: Tamas on July 15, 2024, 02:49:06 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on July 15, 2024, 02:45:23 PMHaving just read in the Guardian that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are among the names under consideration if Southgate goes, I know think that Southgate should be offered the job for life.
:D yes if those are the alternatives Southgate should get tenure.
Just bite the bullet and hire a South American coach :P
Poch :wub: (Although I don't know if he's suited or would have any desire for international football).
Quote from: HVC on July 15, 2024, 05:07:20 PM[quote :D =Tamas link=msg=1448050 date=1721072946]
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 15, 2024, 02:45:23 PMHaving just read in the Guardian that Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard are among the names under consideration if Southgate goes, I know think that Southgate should be offered the job for life.
:D yes if those are the alternatives Southgate should get tenure.
QuoteJust bite the bullet and hire a South American coach :P
Argentine.
Say, Bielsa. :D
Other than not winning the top prize, Southgate has done well. Of course in the end results matter and I don't expect him to be manager tomorrow
Quote from: Josephus on July 15, 2024, 05:55:28 PMOther than not winning the top prize, Southgate has done well. Of course in the end results matter and I don't expect him to be manager tomorrow
2nd place is just the first loser :P
It seems a conclusion in British commenter circles and probably journalists as well is that the England team is made of world class players. Now, clearly their average is very high but is there like a single world-renown player there? Kane used to be the best English striker but was he ever considered one of the global best?
Quote from: Tamas on July 16, 2024, 01:29:11 AMIt seems a conclusion in British commenter circles and probably journalists as well is that the England team is made of world class players. Now, clearly their average is very high but is there like a single world-renown player there? Kane used to be the best English striker but was he ever considered one of the global best?
Let them have their moment to deal with their loss.
Bellingham has (had?) been tipped for the Ballon d'Or after his season at Real Madrid - much to my chagrin.
Quote from: Tamas on July 16, 2024, 01:29:11 AMIt seems a conclusion in British commenter circles and probably journalists as well is that the England team is made of world class players. Now, clearly their average is very high but is there like a single world-renown player there? Kane used to be the best English striker but was he ever considered one of the global best?
A comment I read somewhere the other day that seems to make sense -
England has the best squad in the world.
It doesn't have the best team in the world.
We've too many very good players in a few positions but can't put them all on the field at once. This compares to e.g. Spain where they've a more even spread of talent points across the 11 starting positions.
Fair enough.
Quote from: Tamas on July 16, 2024, 01:29:11 AMIt seems a conclusion in British commenter circles and probably journalists as well is that the England team is made of world class players. Now, clearly their average is very high but is there like a single world-renown player there? Kane used to be the best English striker but was he ever considered one of the global best?
I don't know - I suppose it depends what you mean by world class. It's one of those things that in my head I tie to the endless, tedious Messi-Ronaldo discourse :lol:
There's always a back and forth on this - and the autopsy was easier or clearer when England just flamed out in the round of sixteen v Iceland.
As I say the England team has the top scorer in the Bundesliga, La Liga player of the year (who won the Champions League) and three players who were key in the previous Champions League winners' (who won the treble) success. As a broad group they've been in consecutive Euros finals, and a semi and quarter final in the World Cup. I think that's a big chunk of the squad who I think have a credible claim to be at the very top and as a group fairly consistently doing well. Having said that as England, I feel like they actually need to win something (going deep in competitions is definite progress though).
With Kane specifically I think he probably is one of the best in his position in the world - but he's a striker and I think football's not been particularly focused on strikers in the last 10-15 years. Maybe Haaland will change that. Perhaps Pep, having taken us away from strikers will now take us back to all teams having a big man up front :lol:
And as I predicted, looks like Southgate is out
It's been long enough. 2 cycles is a lot.
He's resigned - and I think it is right.
When he got the job in 2016 he installed a clock at the England base counting down to the Qatar World Cup. He always talked about the fixes to England being long-term and aimed for Qatar, six years down the line. It felt a bit odd to me that he stayed on after Qatar (though I think that was probably right).
But, given that, it makes sense for him to move on now.
Frank Lampard here we go!
Now might be a good time to reanimate Brian Clough.
Give Neville another chance. I smell a come back story :lmfao:
Danes once again savaging the English
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8c_in-spyi/?igsh=aHZya29uZnJydTdr
Quote from: Zoupa on July 14, 2024, 07:00:58 PM:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Could be worse. Fernando Santos or Roberto Martínez. :P
Seems like the FA is interested in Giardiola
I mean aim high. But God it'll be disappointing when we end up with Lampard :ph34r:
So... You know how people were saying they hope Spain win because England fans are scummy?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjk3zlpd5l4o.amp
QuoteEuro winners chant 'Gibraltar is Spanish' at parade
Now that's being a bad winner. Really scummy.
Meh - don't really have an issue with it :ph34r:
Quote from: Josquius on July 16, 2024, 03:06:19 PMSo... You know how people were saying they hope Spain win because England fans are scummy?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjk3zlpd5l4o.amp
QuoteEuro winners chant 'Gibraltar is Spanish' at parade
Now that's being a bad winner. Really scummy.
I mean - it's not exactly classy.
But it's pretty much par for the course for soccer, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure if England won there'd be references to the Spanish Armada...
Quote from: Barrister on July 16, 2024, 03:20:53 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 16, 2024, 03:06:19 PMSo... You know how people were saying they hope Spain win because England fans are scummy?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjk3zlpd5l4o.amp
QuoteEuro winners chant 'Gibraltar is Spanish' at parade
Now that's being a bad winner. Really scummy.
I mean - it's not exactly classy.
But it's pretty much par for the course for soccer, isn't it?
I'm pretty sure if England won there'd be references to the Spanish Armada...
The tabloids yes.
The team unlikely.
Also a pretty straight forward battle centuries ago is a bit of a different thing to threatening the self determination of a modern territory.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jul/16/wesley-fofana-french-fa-appalled-argentina-team-celebrations-copa-america
QuoteWesley Fofana has hit out at "uninhibited racism" and the French Football Federation has said it will file a legal complaint alleging "racially offensive and discriminatory remarks" were made by Argentina players following their Copa América victory against Colombia on Sunday night.
The complaints follow footage that was posted by the Chelsea midfielder Enzo Fernández on his Instagram account, which appeared to show him and his teammates involved in chants that included racist and homophobic slurs about members of the France team as they celebrated their 1-0 win in the final on Sunday.
If you're gonna make racist chants at least have the decency to make it about the team you beat, not an innocent third party :contract: :P
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2024, 07:37:43 PMIf you're gonna make racist chants at least have the decency to make it about the team you beat, not an innocent third party :contract: :P
:secret:
Precisely! It's a chant made after Argentina-France in 2022. :contract:
They mixed up Cameroon and Algeria/Nigeria (?!) as well. :thumbsdown:
:P
Quote from: HVC on July 16, 2024, 01:44:04 PMDanes once again savaging the English
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8c_in-spyi/?igsh=aHZya29uZnJydTdr
I see I'm not the only Dane who developed a strong anti-England sentiment during the previous European Cup.
Quote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 01:23:55 AMQuote from: HVC on July 16, 2024, 01:44:04 PMDanes once again savaging the English
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8c_in-spyi/?igsh=aHZya29uZnJydTdr
I see I'm not the only Dane who developed a strong anti-England sentiment during the previous UEFA Cup.
Denmark... Who are they again? :p
Why is this?
Checking up it seems England beat Denmark in the semis though no obvious controversy and the fan/organisational ridiculousness was in the final.
Quote from: Josquius on July 18, 2024, 01:41:57 AMDenmark... Who are they again? :p
A country that's won the Euro more times than England :hug:
QuoteWhy is this?
Checking up it seems England beat Denmark in the semis though no obvious controversy and the fan/organisational ridiculousness was in the final.
Danish media saw reporting of English fans spitting on and harassing Danish supporters - including children. It appeared quite widespread, and left a really bad taste. The level of behaviour may not be egregious by English standards, but it is for Denmark which is normally more in the "good vibes and partying" side of fan culture for international matches.
It was perhaps more impactful because Danes are generally quite fond of England and the English and sometimes imagine it's reciprocated.
There was also a perception of home-team referee favouritism at critical points swinging the match in England's favour, though honestly I forget the details so by itself it's probably insignificant...
But I remember very clearly watching the game and following the media coverage afterwards, and England going from a team I generally felt positive towards to my #1 disliked European team.
Like, I'd like to like England and if grown men want to indulge in a bit of hooliganism by mutual consent, whatever... but harassing children crossed the line for me. Especially after winning.
I don't like them either and I hate that fucking stupid song/chant There is far too much bad behaviour and I'm usually indifferent to slightly pleased when they exit a competition. Of course I don't find football to be a very interesting sport so the poor behaviour of the fans looms larger.
Quote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 01:59:58 AMIt was perhaps more impactful because Danes are generally quite fond of England and the English and sometimes imagine it's reciprocated.
So quick to forget - it's even more recent than Al-Andalus or the Fall of Constantinople! :P
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Copenhagen_%281801%29
In Germany, there were lots of positive comments about the Scots and Dutch. English ... not so much.
Quote from: Syt on July 18, 2024, 02:31:32 AMIn Germany, there were lots of positive comments about the Scots and Dutch. English ... not so much.
... and the Dutch are not known to be fond of the Germans, at least football wise - right?
Quote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 10:12:36 AMQuote from: Syt on July 18, 2024, 02:31:32 AMIn Germany, there were lots of positive comments about the Scots and Dutch. English ... not so much.
... and the Dutch are not known to be fond of the Germans, at least football wise - right?
Yes, but it's more of a friendly rivalry these days while also relentlessly making fun of each other (e.g. plenty German ads making fun of Dutch clichés, and probably even more vice versa). Nowhere near as aggressive as it used to be.
Quote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 01:59:58 AMQuote from: Josquius on July 18, 2024, 01:41:57 AMDenmark... Who are they again? :p
A country that's won the Euro more times than England :hug:
Although in such a fashion that they had to change the rules :lol:
Quote from: HVC on July 18, 2024, 12:20:50 PMAlthough in such a fashion that they had to change the rules :lol:
Still good for smack-talking the English. A win is a win :showoff:
Quote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 01:02:13 PMQuote from: HVC on July 18, 2024, 12:20:50 PMAlthough in such a fashion that they had to change the rules :lol:
Still good for smack-talking the English. A win is a win :showoff:
Fair, and I approve :D
Although to really turn the screw the Scotts or Irish really need to up their game.
Quote from: Syt on July 18, 2024, 12:09:19 PMQuote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 10:12:36 AMQuote from: Syt on July 18, 2024, 02:31:32 AMIn Germany, there were lots of positive comments about the Scots and Dutch. English ... not so much.
... and the Dutch are not known to be fond of the Germans, at least football wise - right?
Yes, but it's more of a friendly rivalry these days while also relentlessly making fun of each other (e.g. plenty German ads making fun of Dutch clichés, and probably even more vice versa). Nowhere near as aggressive as it used to be.
Yeah, it's been like that a long time now. I think the change came in the 90s?
Quote from: Josquius on July 16, 2024, 03:06:19 PMAlso a pretty straight forward battle centuries ago is a bit of a different thing to threatening the self determination of a modern territory.
Not for us. Gibraltar is a thing of the past for the Spanish public. A non-issue.
I can't recall a single time it came up in real life. And even in politics forums such as Spanish EUOT it has only surfaced a couple times in the 12 years I've been around. And just because of money laundering, gambling or smuggling.
Quote from: Maladict on July 18, 2024, 02:26:38 PMQuote from: Syt on July 18, 2024, 12:09:19 PMQuote from: Jacob on July 18, 2024, 10:12:36 AMQuote from: Syt on July 18, 2024, 02:31:32 AMIn Germany, there were lots of positive comments about the Scots and Dutch. English ... not so much.
... and the Dutch are not known to be fond of the Germans, at least football wise - right?
Yes, but it's more of a friendly rivalry these days while also relentlessly making fun of each other (e.g. plenty German ads making fun of Dutch clichés, and probably even more vice versa). Nowhere near as aggressive as it used to be.
Yeah, it's been like that a long time now. I think the change came in the 90s?
I think so. The last really contentious match I recall was during Italy '90.
Quote from: Iormlund on July 18, 2024, 02:37:19 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 16, 2024, 03:06:19 PMAlso a pretty straight forward battle centuries ago is a bit of a different thing to threatening the self determination of a modern territory.
Not for us. Gibraltar is a thing of the past for the Spanish public. A non-issue.
I can't recall a single time it came up in real life. And even in politics forums such as Spanish EUOT it has only surfaced a couple times in the 12 years I've been around. And just because of money laundering, gambling or smuggling.
Yes I had thought so. It's not a weird national obsession the way the Falklands are for Argentina.
Which makes this sudden outburst from the fans and team all the weirder
Quote from: Josquius on July 18, 2024, 03:18:26 PMQuote from: Iormlund on July 18, 2024, 02:37:19 PMQuote from: Josquius on July 16, 2024, 03:06:19 PMAlso a pretty straight forward battle centuries ago is a bit of a different thing to threatening the self determination of a modern territory.
Not for us. Gibraltar is a thing of the past for the Spanish public. A non-issue.
I can't recall a single time it came up in real life. And even in politics forums such as Spanish EUOT it has only surfaced a couple times in the 12 years I've been around. And just because of money laundering, gambling or smuggling.
Yes I had thought so. It's not a weird national obsession the way the Falklands are for Argentina.
Which makes this sudden outburst from the fans and team all the weirder
I haven't seen it, but my best guess is they were just ribbing the English.
Stupid and unfortunate, because that's not how it would be perceived. But looking beyond it for deeper meaning is a waste of time.
Unless it was Dani Carvajal :P :ph34r: