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Title: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Syt on July 19, 2023, 01:05:56 AM
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01770-y

QuoteIndia cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks — experts are baffled

Nature has learnt that the periodic table, as well as evolution, won't be taught to under-16s as they start the new school year.


In India, children under 16 returning to school this month at the start of the school year will no longer be taught about evolution, the periodic table of elements or sources of energy.

The news that evolution would be cut from the curriculum for students aged 15–16 was widely reported last month, when thousands of people signed a petition in protest. But official guidance has revealed that a chapter on the periodic table will be cut, too, along with other foundational topics such as sources of energy and environmental sustainability. Younger learners will no longer be taught certain pollution- and climate-related topics, and there are cuts to biology, chemistry, geography, mathematics and physics subjects for older school students.

Overall, the changes affect some 134 million 11–18-year-olds in India's schools. The extent of what has changed became clearer last month when the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT) — the public body that develops the Indian school curriculum and textbooks — released textbooks for the new academic year that started in May.

Researchers, including those who study science education, are shocked. "Anybody who's trying to teach biology without dealing with evolution is not teaching biology as we currently understand it," says Jonathan Osborne, a science-education researcher at Stanford University in California. "It's that fundamental to biology." The periodic table explains how life's building blocks combine to generate substances with vastly different properties, he adds, and "is one of the great intellectual achievements of chemists".

Mythili Ramchand, a science-teacher trainer at the Tata Institute of Social Sciences in Mumbai, India, says that "everything related to water, air pollution, resource management has been removed. "I don't see how conservation of water, and air [pollution], is not relevant for us. It's all the more so currently," she adds. A chapter on different sources of energy — from fossil fuels to renewables — has also been removed. "That's a bit strange, quite honestly, given the relevance in today's world," says Osborne.

More than 4,500 scientists, teachers and science communicators have signed an appeal organized by Breakthrough Science Society, a campaign group based in Kolkata, India, to reinstate the axed content on evolution.

NCERT has not responded to the appeal. And although it relied on expert committees to oversee the changes, it has not yet engaged with parents and teachers to explain its rationale for making them. NCERT also did not reply to Nature's request for comment.

Chapters closed

A chapter on the periodic table of elements has been removed from the syllabus for class-10 students, who are typically 15–16 years old. Whole chapters on sources of energy and the sustainable management of natural resources have also been removed.

A small section on Michael Faraday's contributions to the understanding of electricity and magnetism in the nineteenth century has also been stripped from the class-10 syllabus. In non-science content, chapters on democracy and diversity; political parties; and challenges to democracy have been scrapped. And a chapter on the industrial revolution has been removed for older students.

In explaining its changes, NCERT states on its website that it considered whether content overlapped with similar content covered elsewhere, the difficulty of the content, and whether the content was irrelevant. It also aims to provide opportunities for experiential learning and creativity.

NCERT announced the cuts last year, saying that they would ease pressures on students studying online during the COVID-19 pandemic. Amitabh Joshi, an evolutionary biologist at Jawaharlal Nehru Centre for Advanced Scientific Research in Bengaluru, India, says that science teachers and researchers expected that the content would be reinstated once students returned to classrooms. Instead, the NCERT shocked everyone by printing textbooks for the new academic year with a statement that the changes will remain for the next two academic years, in line with India's revised education policy approved by government in July 2020.

"The idea [behind the new policy] is that you make students ask questions," says Anindita Bhadra, an evolutionary biologist at the Indian Institute of Science Education and Research in Kolkata. But she says that removing fundamental concepts is likely to stifle curiosity, rather than encourage it. "The way this is being done, by saying 'drop content and teach less'", she says, "that's not the way you do it".

Evolution axed

Science educators are particularly concerned about the removal of evolution. A chapter on diversity in living organisms and one called 'Why do we fall ill' has been removed from the syllabus for class-9 students, who are typically 14–15 years old. Darwin's contributions to evolution, how fossils form and human evolution have all been removed from the chapter on heredity and evolution for class-10 pupils. That chapter is now called just 'Heredity'. Evolution, says Joshi, is essential to understanding human diversity and "our place in the world".

In India, class 10 is the last year in which science is taught to every student. Only students who elect to study biology in the final two years of education (before university) will learn about the topic.

Joshi says that the curriculum revision process has lacked transparency. But in the case of evolution, "more religious groups in India are beginning to take anti-evolution stances", he says. Some members of the public also think that evolution lacks relevance outside academic institutions.

Aditya Mukherjee, a historian at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Dehli, says that changes to the curriculum are being driven by Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a mass-membership volunteer organization that has close ties to India's governing Bharatiya Janata Party. The RSS feels that Hinduism is under threat from India's other religions and cultures.

"There is a movement away from rational thinking, against the enlightenment and Western ideas" in India, adds Sucheta Mahajan, a historian at Jawaharlal Nehru University who collaborates with Mukherjee on studies of RSS influence on school texts. Evolution conflicts with creation stories, adds Mukherjee. History is the main target, but "science is one of the victims", she adds
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Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: grumbler on July 19, 2023, 09:01:11 AM
Evolution is contrary to the Hindu worldview, in which everything is cyclical, including time.   Everything people experience has been experienced countless times before and will be countless times in the future.  There is no "progress" per se and things progress in the way they do because they have always progressed that way.  Similarly, the Hindu worldview holds that global warming has occurred countless times in the past, and humanity has lived through it, so humanity will live through this iteration of it as well.

India's government is explicitly Hindu-oriented, so we should not, perhaps, be surprised that it is taking advantage of the opportunity to impose Hindu religious concepts in secular education.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Sheilbh on July 19, 2023, 09:09:19 AM
I remember a story recently about the Mughals being removed from history textbooks as well as some stuff about the Raj (mainly end of empire/Gandhi/Nehru).

This is totally impressionist but I feel like 90% of those very tendentious history accounts on social media are Indian and mainly focused on Hindu heritage/slandering Nehru and Gandhi (a bit like a Hindutva version of accounts with a classical avatar, who love neo-classical architecture and occasionally post fascism).
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Josquius on July 19, 2023, 11:15:00 AM
The climate change stuff... Ugh.
India really is trying to challenge China for top global cunt isn't it.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Valmy on July 19, 2023, 12:00:38 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 19, 2023, 09:09:19 AMI remember a story recently about the Mughals being removed from history textbooks

"Now students we arrive at the year 1526 where absolutely nothing happened between then and 1856"
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Solmyr on July 20, 2023, 03:56:22 AM
India removing stuff about Gandhi seems a bit like the US removing George Washington from history books.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: garbon on July 20, 2023, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 20, 2023, 03:56:22 AMIndia removing stuff about Gandhi seems a bit like the US removing George Washington from history books.

While removing them would be bizarre, I think it could be good to have less reverence for our founding fathers.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Sheilbh on July 20, 2023, 09:10:22 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 20, 2023, 03:56:22 AMIndia removing stuff about Gandhi seems a bit like the US removing George Washington from history books.
My understanding is Gandhi is very controversial in India now with the rise of the Hindu right - but also with pushing more "radical" nationalists to the fore (radicals not quite the right word - but people like Bose). Gandhi is (from what I understand) seen as too quiescent and tied to partition.

But Gandhi is such a huge figure internationally associated with Indian independence so I think the government pay lip service to that while, domestically, diminishing his role. And, in fairness, as G says about the founding fathers a bit of that might be justifiable.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Maladict on July 20, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2023, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 20, 2023, 03:56:22 AMIndia removing stuff about Gandhi seems a bit like the US removing George Washington from history books.

While removing them would be bizarre, I think it could be good to have less reverence for our founding fathers.

Yes. We could do with less hero-worship in general.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Josquius on July 20, 2023, 12:13:39 PM
Quote from: Maladict on July 20, 2023, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2023, 08:58:45 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on July 20, 2023, 03:56:22 AMIndia removing stuff about Gandhi seems a bit like the US removing George Washington from history books.

While removing them would be bizarre, I think it could be good to have less reverence for our founding fathers.

Yes. We could do with less hero-worship in general.

They tend to just replace the historic globally respected heroes with fictional versions of minor historic fools who accomplished nothing but tried to be violent.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: viper37 on July 20, 2023, 02:13:25 PM
Quote from: Syt on July 19, 2023, 01:05:56 AMhttps://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-01770-y
It's really nice to see States that aren't evil in imposing their evil secular views to people, unlike some tiny provinces of backwater countries. :)
At least, India lead the democratic world in freedom of religion by not imposing moralistic and scientific views on anyone else.
It is a really good time and place to live in for everyone.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: HVC on July 20, 2023, 02:17:27 PM
It's weird that Hinduism is seen by a large part of the west as the peaceful religion. I blame the Beatles :P
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Hamilcar on July 20, 2023, 04:07:54 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 20, 2023, 02:17:27 PMIt's weird that Hinduism is seen by a large part of the west as the peaceful religion. I blame the Beatles :P

People mix up Hindus with Buddhists and Jains.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2023, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on July 20, 2023, 04:07:54 PMPeople mix up Hindus with Buddhists and Jains.

And then Buddhists in Myanmar turned out to be thugs too.

I think founding fathers who established bedrock principles *should* be glorified.

You Yuros are just jealous because your founding fathers were all hairy warlords.  :P
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: crazy canuck on July 20, 2023, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2023, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on July 20, 2023, 04:07:54 PMPeople mix up Hindus with Buddhists and Jains.

And then Buddhists in Myanmar turned out to be thugs too.

I think founding fathers who established bedrock principles *should* be glorified.

You Yuros are just jealous because your founding fathers were all hairy warlords.  :P

bedrock principles like its ok to own slaves?  No thanks.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Sheilbh on July 20, 2023, 07:30:04 PM
Quote from: Josquius on July 20, 2023, 12:13:39 PMThey tend to just replace the historic globally respected heroes with fictional versions of minor historic fools who accomplished nothing but tried to be violent.
Not sure if it's fictional. I think Bose is a significant figure and an important figure.

There's always a process of re-evaluation of national heroes and national myths - because they and the history we tell ourselves say more about our societies now than anything else. I think that's true of the founding fathers, of Gandhi v Bose, of Collins v de Valera.

But I also think it's something you see in the re-appraisal and centring on stories of radical traditions in civil rights, labour movements over myths about more conciliatory, gradualist leaders. And frankly you can project a lot onto failed leaders/movements especially with a tragic end (see Collins) - I think Jinnah plays that role in Pakistan because he died so soon after independence that while we know a lot about him but he can be a bit of a blank canvas. I think it just always reflects our times - and so did the earlier stories we told ourselves or were taught when we were growing up.

I think the shift away from Nehru and Gandhi just, in my view sadly, reflects the India of today. And there are aspects that I think are quite sad about that shift (because I think Gandhi and Nehru are incredible figures) - but there's others that aren't. I read a piece recently on the extent to which roles in elite Indian institutions are now more open to people who don't speak English. I think there is a cultural cringe that's being shaken off and that mood - even aside from the Hindu nationalism - maybe needs a different set of heroes than London barristers, including a man who made his "tryst with destiny" speech declaring independence in English.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: grumbler on July 20, 2023, 07:55:54 PM
Quote from: HVC on July 20, 2023, 02:17:27 PMIt's weird that Hinduism is seen by a large part of the west as the peaceful religion. I blame the Beatles :P

The second-highest caste in Hinduism is the Kshatriya caste, which is the warriors and nobility. The highest caste, the Brahmin, is supposed to be non-violent and ascetic, but the Kshatriya have a religious duty to engage in violence when so ordered, understanding that those they kill will simply be reincarnated.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Valmy on July 20, 2023, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 20, 2023, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2023, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on July 20, 2023, 04:07:54 PMPeople mix up Hindus with Buddhists and Jains.

And then Buddhists in Myanmar turned out to be thugs too.

I think founding fathers who established bedrock principles *should* be glorified.

You Yuros are just jealous because your founding fathers were all hairy warlords.  :P

bedrock principles like its ok to own slaves?  No thanks.

Well some of them felt very guilty about it.
Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: crazy canuck on July 21, 2023, 12:09:14 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 20, 2023, 09:25:15 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 20, 2023, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 20, 2023, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on July 20, 2023, 04:07:54 PMPeople mix up Hindus with Buddhists and Jains.

And then Buddhists in Myanmar turned out to be thugs too.

I think founding fathers who established bedrock principles *should* be glorified.

You Yuros are just jealous because your founding fathers were all hairy warlords.  :P

bedrock principles like its ok to own slaves?  No thanks.

Well some of them felt very guilty about it.

Very principled of them.  :P

Title: Re: India cuts periodic table and evolution from school textbooks
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on July 21, 2023, 07:48:30 AM
Jefferson loved his slaves  :P