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Title: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Savonarola on July 24, 2009, 01:06:58 PM
 Juche in action:

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/07/20097165415127287.html (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/07/20097165415127287.html)

QuoteN Korea 'tests weapons on children' 


When Im Chun-yong made his daring escape from North Korea, with a handful of his special forces men, there were many reasons why the North Korean government was intent on stopping them.

They were, after all, part of Kim Jong-il's elite commandos - privy to a wealth of military secrets and insights into the workings of the reclusive regime.


But among he accounts they carried with them is one of the most shocking yet to emerge – namely the use of humans, specifically mentally or physically handicapped children, to test North Korea's biological and chemical weapons.

"If you are born mentally or physically deficient, says Im, the government says your best contribution to society... is as a guinea pig for biological and chemical weapons testing."

Even after settling into the relative safety of South Korea, for 10 years Im held on to this secret, saying it was too horrific to recount.

But with Kim's health reportedly failing, and the country appearing increasingly unpredictable, Im felt it was time he spoke out.

The former military captain says it was in the early 1990s, that he watched his then commander wrestle with giving up his 12-year-old daughter who was mentally ill.

The commander, he says, initially resisted, but after mounting pressure from his military superiors, he gave in.

Im watched as the girl was taken away. She was never seen again.

One of Im's own men later gave him an eyewitness account of human-testing.

Asked to guard a secret facility on an island off North Korea's west coast, Im says the soldier saw a number of people forced into a glass chamber.

"Poisonous gas was injected in," Im says. "He watched doctors time how long it took for them to die."

Other North Korean defectors have long alleged that the secretive nation has been using political prisoners as experimental test subjects.

Some have detailed how inmates were shipped from various concentration camps to so-called chemical "factories".

'Widespread practice'

But Im's is the first account of mentally-ill or physically challenged children being used.

Kim Sang-hun believes there are at least three to five experimental weapons sites

Security analysts believe Kim oversees one of the most aggressive and robust biochemical weapons programmes in the world.

A member of the special forces' Brigade No.19, Im says he was trained on how to use biochemical weapons against the "enemy" – including how to fire them from short-range "bazooka-style" weapons.

He says such training was normal practice for all elite units.

Today it is estimated the country has accumulated a stockpile of more than 5,000 tonnes of biochemical weaponry; from mustard gas, to nerve agents such as sarin, to anthrax and cholera.

The extent of the stockpile is a concern to Kim Sang-hun, a retired UN official who has spent years investigating the North's chemical and biological weapons programme.

He believes over the past 20 years, the programme has advanced at a startling pace, specifically because the country's rulers approve and support the use of human test subjects.

"If you are born mentally or physically deficient, the government says your best contribution to society... is as a guinea pig for biological and chemical weapons testing"

Im Chun-yong, former North Korean commando

"Human experimentation is a widespread practice," Kim says.

"I hoped I was wrong, but it is the reality and it is taking place in North Korea and it is taking place at a number of locations."

There are some who question claims that the North conducts human trials. But Kim says he has interviewed hundred of defectors who, more times than not, volunteer personal vivid accounts.

"The programme is now a commonly known fact in the North Korean public," he says.

As a former member of the elite special forces, Im agrees.

While the government may be secretive about a lot of things, he says "when it comes to human experimentation, most know it happens".

Investigating what he says are serious UN violations regarding the rights of children and prisoners, Kim Sang-hun has amassed a vast amount of evidence.

Compiled in folders at his home in Seoul are reams of testimonies and documents.

Some bear what appear to be official government stamps approving the transfer of prisoners from camps to chemical "factories".

He says he believes these are, in reality, experimental weapons sites.

He has pinpointed at least three to five labs that he believes are situated in different parts of the country, including one just a few kilometres north of the capital, Pyongyang.

Security analysts suspect there are as many as 20 such plants across the country.

Biochemical threat

As the world's attention focuses on the North's nuclear programme, Im is worried the international community will miss what he believes is the more imminent threat posed by the country's biochemical arsenal.


Defectors have told of prisoners being shipped to chemical 'factories'
Arms experts say at least 30 per cent of North Korea's missile and artillery systems are capable of delivering such weapons. With each successive test, they warn the North's accuracy improves, and so too its range.

The UN Security Council now says it believes three of the seven missiles tested by the North on July 4 were Scud-ER missiles, which are known to be more accurate and have a range of 1,000km.

Tokyo is roughly 1,160km from the base on North Korea's east coast from where the missiles were fired, while other parts of Japan are closer.

Im believes the government would not hesitate to use such arms, saying he has seen the "ruthlessness" of the country's leaders.

During his escape from North Korea in December 1999, Im says he and his men battled their way out, chased by dozens of members of other commando units.

"I myself killed three men," he says. "Then after swimming across the half frozen Tumen river into China, we sold our guns, and left that life behind."

Im now devotes his time to gathering intelligence about the North's military capabilities.

Even a decade after his escape, the threat he still poses to the North Korean government means that he now lives under the constant protection of South Korea's National Intelligence Service.

I hope they don't get their hands on our below average intelligence Secretary of State.   :(

Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: KRonn on July 24, 2009, 01:16:59 PM
This can't be info that's all that much a surprise to the outside world? Frightening of course, but no surprise perhaps.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Jaron on July 24, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
TIM!!! Do NOT go to Korea!
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Caliga on July 24, 2009, 01:18:08 PM
Make sure Tim's mom doesn't find out about this. :yes:
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on July 24, 2009, 01:37:36 PM
Regime change!
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Josquius on July 24, 2009, 01:52:18 PM
Wow, special forces escapees...
I wonder how they prove they're this...and exactly how trusting the west is being that they really are defecting if they are Kimmy's elites.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Carolus on July 24, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
Scary but unsurprising.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Savonarola on July 24, 2009, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: Carolus on July 24, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
Scary but unsurprising.

C. Rex!  :w00t:
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Neil on July 24, 2009, 02:03:36 PM
Well, they can't feed them, so why would they let them live?
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Jacob on July 24, 2009, 02:04:29 PM
That's some seriously fucked up shit.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Carolus on July 24, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2009, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: Carolus on July 24, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
Scary but unsurprising.

C. Rex!  :w00t:

Savaronaerola!  :hug: :hug: :hug:
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: The Brain on July 24, 2009, 08:34:50 PM
Quote from: Carolus on July 24, 2009, 04:05:17 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on July 24, 2009, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: Carolus on July 24, 2009, 01:58:10 PM
Scary but unsurprising.

C. Rex!  :w00t:

Savaronaerola!  :hug: :hug: :hug:

Savronela. Fucking name changers.  <_<
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: BuddhaRhubarb on July 24, 2009, 08:41:06 PM
Carolus :yay:
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
Monstrous, but unsurprising.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Caliga on July 27, 2009, 10:36:54 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 27, 2009, 10:10:28 AM
Monstrous, but unsurprising.
Yes, actually I would have been surprised if the North Korean regime had NOT been doing human experimentation.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Valmy on July 27, 2009, 10:38:38 AM
Yeah a more shocking article would be 'North Korea to shape policy to serve the best interests of its citizens, instead of the paranoid delusions of its rulers.'

That would be weird.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: DisturbedPervert on July 27, 2009, 10:43:56 AM
Quote from: Tyr on July 24, 2009, 01:52:18 PM
Wow, special forces escapees...
I wonder how they prove they're this

He said so.
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Josephus on July 27, 2009, 10:57:47 AM
God, you people are so anti-Kim.

He's just making the most of his natural resources, of which, humans, are plentiful.


Sheesh.
;)

Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: garbon on July 27, 2009, 11:27:46 AM
Why is Rex using an image of a man who's longest running roles are characters on Sex & The City and Desperate Housewives? Both longer than the period of time he spent on Twin Peaks. :yes:
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Caliga on July 27, 2009, 11:36:30 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 27, 2009, 11:27:46 AM
Why is Rex using an image of a man who's longest running roles are characters on Sex & The City and Desperate Housewives? Both longer than the period of time he spent on Twin Peaks. :yes:
Blue Velvet?  :cool:
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Siege on July 28, 2009, 01:10:41 AM
Where are the highlights?

I refuse to read the opening post without highlights.

How many times do I have to remind you guys to use highlights to save our limited time?

Every time you post an article without highlights, you are just saying our time is not valuable to you.

Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on July 28, 2009, 01:19:08 AM
And here's an article on North Korea's fun summer camps:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/19/AR2009071902178.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2009071902186


QuoteSEOUL -- Images and accounts of the North Korean gulag become sharper, more harrowing and more accessible with each passing year.
A distillation of testimony from survivors and former guards, newly published by the Korean Bar Association, details the daily lives of 200,000 political prisoners estimated to be in the camps: Eating a diet of mostly corn and salt, they lose their teeth, their gums turn black, their bones weaken and, as they age, they hunch over at the waist. Most work 12- to 15-hour days until they die of malnutrition-related illnesses, usually around the age of 50. Allowed just one set of clothes, they live and die in rags, without soap, socks, underclothes or sanitary napkins.

Fresh air! Work outdoors! Lose weight and get in shape!
Title: Re: North Korea Tests Weapons on Children
Post by: Neil on July 28, 2009, 07:15:03 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 28, 2009, 01:10:41 AM
Where are the highlights?

I refuse to read the opening post without highlights.

How many times do I have to remind you guys to use highlights to save our limited time?

Every time you post an article without highlights, you are just saying our time is not valuable to you.
Your time isn't valuable.  Every second you waste on here is a second you're not spying for the Chinese or commiting war crimes.