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This Sunday Sweden goes to the polls. But what does Languish think? These are the leaders of the current parties in the Riksdag.

Second behind the mandatory eye candy I vote for the cheerful nerd.

I'm guessing the resting bitch face ice swimmer is the nazi.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 05, 2022, 01:46:18 AMI'm guessing the resting bitch face ice swimmer is the nazi.

Almost, leader of the Christian Party.

Shrouded in smoke/traditional lady struck me as the nazi.

I went for the ice one out of nostalgia for saunas.
These are a christian party as in christian democrats ala right wing socialists rather than burn the gays and lower the taxes yee-ha right?

I voted for the folkloric demonologist  :cool:

The ice one just had too big an accident with Botox.

Went with the lady from Midsommar.

I wish I could vote for a brown jacket on a bar table. Voted hot girl regardless  :sleep:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 05, 2022, 01:46:18 AMI'm guessing the resting bitch face ice swimmer is the nazi.

oh no :o

I went with ice lady.

I voted for the lady who got the fuck out of Sweden and went to a beach in the Caribbean. That's a politician with some sense.

I would only elect the next to last guy as general.

Smiling nerdy guy.

Third guy kind of looks like Caliga.   :ph34r:

Swede on the Beach

Who's the Nazi?

And who's running in the pic with 2 identically dressed people?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 06, 2022, 07:35:21 PMAnd who's running in the pic with 2 identically dressed people?

That party has two leaders, one male and one female.

Quote from: Threviel on September 06, 2022, 11:28:54 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 06, 2022, 07:35:21 PMAnd who's running in the pic with 2 identically dressed people?

That party has two leaders, one male and one female.

Greens?

Must say they don't give left wing vibes at all despite that being a left wing thing to do.

Voted for Andersson as she is the only one  I know.

I just voted. For the first time in my life I did not vote for a party with views I can proudly stand behind, but rather for the least bad option. It was a very difficult choice with both sides having good and bad views.

Preliminary results with 85% of districts counted is a very slim majority of 175 to 174 for the conservative/liberal/nationalist side against the social democrat/liberal/socialist side.

Still possible with a swing, but slow counting districts and late postal votes tend to favour the right.

The nationalists ended up 2nd biggest and biggest on the right side, will be interesting to see them argue over who gets to sit in the government.

The traditional conservative/liberal party is led by a, more or less, clown. Had it been led by a competent leader they would have won a landslide, but here we are.

The social democrat leader is competent, but her support parties are a disgrace and it's their (mostly the greens) politics that cost the left the win.

I'll go to sleep now, hopefully tomorrow we'll have a clearer winner, left or right, what we need in these times is stability and responsible government.

These are the parties the leaders in the poll represent, numbered from the top, and the results with 95% of districts counted:

1. Social Democrats 30.5%
2. Moderates (conservatives) 19.1%
3. Sweden Democrats (anti-immigration party) 20.6%
4. Center (former farmers' party now somewhat unclear what they are) 6.7%
5. Communists 6.6%
6. Christian Democrats 5.4%
7. Liberals (right of center party) 4.6%
8. Greens 5.0%

Interesting to see the right being hijacked by crazies there too, only with the democratic system the  conservatives who remain in control of their brains aren't dragged along for the ride.

who forms government?

What do likely coalitions look like? Are the Center and Liberal Parties likely to support the Moderates?

How acceptable is it for other parties to form a coalition with the Sweden Democrats?

Let's everyone remember that SD is the successor to the old (the actual 1930s old) nazi party. They are not a Norwegian/Danish style populist party and they are not exactly Trumpian either. Keep that in mind.

Government will most probably be the moderates (conservative/liberal mix) and the Christian Democrats.
 
They will need and probably get the support of SD and one of the two liberal parties.

Everyone else, and many inside the possible government parties, especially the liberals, hate and despise SD and think that negotiating with them is taboo.

SD is big enough to demand to be a part of government, if that happens the support of the liberals will go away and we'll have a crisis.

Is it right the analysis I've read that the Moderates signalled openness to working with the SD and moved right? And, not for the first time, it seems that voters would rather have the original than a faint imitation.

As an aside interesting that this is another European election (Italy to go even further from Lega to FdI) where the story we've all had about the collapse of the centre left seems to apply to the centre right. If 2010s were about PASOKification maybe now we're in an age of far or radical right replacing the centre right?

Well. The moderates have gone from a 25-30% party to a 20ish % party. Significant drop.

The social democrats have gone from a 45% party to a 30% party, also a significant drop.

SD mostly took voters from the social democrats in previous elections, this time mostly from the moderates.

I'm not entirely sure that the Swedish experience is really comparable.

SD has risen because of perceived problems with the generous Swedish immigration policy going back decades. We must remember that at least since the late eighties that immigration policy has had a very weak democratic legitimacy. There's very little data available, but what is points to that a majority of the population has always been against the large immigration.

That's it really, the big parties didn't address the issue and SD did and they combed their hair and kicked out the skinheads and here we are.

There's no religious conflict, no internal ethnic conflict, no class conflict, no nationalist fervour and very little modern style populist conservatism, no weird conspiracy theories. It's a pure protest vote on immigration.

I'm not sure it can be compared to the situation in other countries even though on the surface it looks the same.

Quote from: Threviel on September 12, 2022, 12:44:57 PMLet's everyone remember that SD is the successor to the old (the actual 1930s old) nazi party. They are not a Norwegian/Danish style populist party and they are not exactly Trumpian either. Keep that in mind.

Took me a bit to realize you were talking about the Sweden Democrats and not the Social Democrats.

Interesting, thanks for the analysis Threviel.

I'm guessing Slargos is pleased with this result, whereever he is.

What is the Sweden Democrats position on immigration?  Mass expulsions?  Some reduction?  Mandatory language/assimilation classes?  Cutting benefits?

How significant is the skinhead faction?

Quote from: Threviel on September 12, 2022, 12:44:57 PMLet's everyone remember that SD is the successor to the old (the actual 1930s old) nazi party. They are not a Norwegian/Danish style populist party and they are not exactly Trumpian either. Keep that in mind.

Government will most probably be the moderates (conservative/liberal mix) and the Christian Democrats.
 
They will need and probably get the support of SD and one of the two liberal parties.

Everyone else, and many inside the possible government parties, especially the liberals, hate and despise SD and think that negotiating with them is taboo.

SD is big enough to demand to be a part of government, if that happens the support of the liberals will go away and we'll have a crisis.

The Social Democrats are the Nazis, and they got 30% of the vote?

Quote from: crazy canuck on September 12, 2022, 05:12:12 PMThe Social Democrats are the Nazis, and they got 30% of the vote?

No, the Sweden Democrats are the Nazis and they got 20% of the vote.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 12, 2022, 04:46:59 PMWhat is the Sweden Democrats position on immigration?  Mass expulsions?  Some reduction?  Mandatory language/assimilation classes?  Cutting benefits?

How significant is the skinhead faction?

According to the Guardian they only scrapped references to "inherited essence" in their 2019 manifesto and from what I see have fairly regular purges of really, really Nazi members.

The core of the party, joined back in the late 90's when it was a nazi party. They clearly understood that as nazis they didn't have a chance so they cleaned up, kicked out the skinheads and purged the ones that couldn't pretend to not be nazis.

As they grew a lot of non-nazis joined along the way and nowadays the rank and file of the party are generally not nazis and many of the not even racists. Still run by the same core though.

There have been a lot of scandals along the way with some members doing the normal skinhead thing or accidentally saying something that was recorded.

So I would say that the party is still run by people with very nazi or very racist opinions, but they have cleaned up and pretend to not be. Their leader since the late 90's is very slick and very sympathetic and has a way with words and makes them seem sensible. Without him they would probably be much smaller. There is no skinhead fraction at all, they've been kicked out and a replacement nazi party has been created that hate the Sweden Democrats and think them weak.

We should also keep in mind that Swedish immigration policy has been extremely badly run for 30-40 years or so. Very lax rules for immigrating here and very generous welfare systems has created large ghettoes in the cities where mostly Arabic and African immigrants live rather bleak and hopeless lives. No chance of a real job, lots of crime and lots of poverty. No criticism of this could be voiced and any mainstream politician that said anything was branded as a racist by the press and other politicians and more or less damnatio memoriaed. The whole subject was taboo until SD grew to big to ignore and they grew that big out of frustration with the mainstream parties.

SD ran in this election on stricter immigration policys, we should go to the absolute minimum that EU allows, stricter demands for citizenship, they want language tests, stricter family immigration, to make Sweden less attractive for culturally burdening immigration (quoting from their stuff here), modern surveillance and DNA tests to make repatriation more effective, create incentives for repatriation, self-sufficiency a requirement for citizenship, border controls...

In other policys they normally go a bit populist and go for more or less social democratic policys. They know that it's the working class that vote for them and they behave accordingly. They are not afraid to change their minds, like on Nato for example, if it's a popular issue.

A lot of their stuff on immigration actually makes sense and reform is necessary, the moderates, christian democrats and social democrats have all jumped on to the band wagon. Our prime minister said a week or so ago that we don't want any more somalitowns for example.

If parties were individuals I would say that SD is the nice and friendly sociopath that secretly sits at home masturbating furiously to the first half of Schindlers list.

Immigration has never been an important political issue for me, so it has been quite disconcerting the past decades to see every single party making it their top issue. This obsession has stood in the way of important work on other issues.

QuoteAs they grew a lot of non-nazis joined along the way and nowadays the rank and file of the party are generally not nazis and many of the not even racists. Still run by the same core though.

Yet they do have little problem being in a nazi party with nazis.
Honestly I think I prefer nazis to this sort.

Quote from: Josquius on September 13, 2022, 03:20:38 AM

QuoteAs they grew a lot of non-nazis joined along the way and nowadays the rank and file of the party are generally not nazis and many of the not even racists. Still run by the same core though.

Yet they do have little problem being in a nazi party with nazis.
Honestly I think I prefer nazis to this sort.

The perceived need to get the immigrants out is greater than the fear of nazis and since the established parties ignored the issue only SD was left to join...

Quote from: Jacob on September 12, 2022, 05:32:46 PM

Quote from: crazy canuck on September 12, 2022, 05:12:12 PMThe Social Democrats are the Nazis, and they got 30% of the vote?

No, the Sweden Democrats are the Nazis and they got 20% of the vote.

Ah thanks for the clarification.

No final result yet. It's still very close between the blocks.

Soc Dem leader Andersson will resign as PM tomorrow. Almost all votes are counted and the other block has won. Now we'll see if they can form a government or not...

The new government has been decided. A coalition of the conservative Moderate party and Christian party together with one of the two liberal parties will form a government supported by the populist/nationalist/nazi party.

Do you think they will actually be able to do anything against clan criminality etc.?

Quote from: Threviel on October 14, 2022, 07:18:54 AMThe new government has been decided. A coalition of the conservative Moderate party and Christian party together with one of the two liberal parties will form a government supported by the populist/nationalist/nazi party.

How do you feel about this gov't?

Quote from: Jacob on October 14, 2022, 12:07:14 PM

Quote from: Threviel on October 14, 2022, 07:18:54 AMThe new government has been decided. A coalition of the conservative Moderate party and Christian party together with one of the two liberal parties will form a government supported by the populist/nationalist/nazi party.

How do you feel about this gov't?

I voted for the moderates, mostly out of old habit and the realisation that it's either a communist-backed government or a nazi-backed government.

I would probably do the same again, but only because I see the other side as worse.

The new governments stance on how to fight crime and how to handle immigration disgusts me and at least the crime part will be counter-productive and cause a lot of bad shit.