I say Crocodile Dundee. The original was great, the second was unwatchable.
Starship Troopers.
Trouble with this question is there are an awful lot of direct to DVD sequels out there that had virtually nothing in common with the original movie beyond the title. Did you know for example that there is a Lost Boys 2 and A Christmas Story 2? Both are dreadful.
So I think you have to limit it to sequels that actually made it into cinemas.
There are also a lot of really bad sequels to movies that weren't very good to begin with. Paul Blart 2 is likely terrible, but would it really be that big a drop in quality?
Giving the matter some thought, I have two nominations.
Highlander 2. The first Highlander was a surprisingly entertaining movie, but the sequel just shat all over everything the first movie did.
2010. It's actually a fine movie and one I enjoyed, but as a sequel to motherfucking masterpiece like 2001? HUGE drop in quality.
Son of the mask.
Quote from: Barrister on March 31, 2022, 03:48:08 PMSo I think you have to limit it to sequels that actually made it into cinemas.
Agreed.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 03:54:20 PMQuote from: Barrister on March 31, 2022, 03:48:08 PMSo I think you have to limit it to sequels that actually made it into cinemas.
Agreed.
Asoka.
It's been 30 years or so since I saw it, but I thought Crocodile Dundee 2 was okay. It just kind of flips the script - instead of an Australian lost in New York, it's a New Yorker lost in Australia. Kind of predictable but okay.
Highlander.
Basic Instinct 2
Highlander 2 has a whopping 0% fresh score on rottentomatoes. :lol:
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/highlander_2_the_quickening
Quote from: Barrister on March 31, 2022, 04:01:05 PMIt's been 30 years or so since I saw it, but I thought Crocodile Dundee 2 was okay. It just kind of flips the script - instead of an Australian lost in New York, it's a New Yorker lost in Australia. Kind of predictable but okay.
The premise was fine the execution was shit. All the cute one and done gags that worked in CD1 got overplayed again and again in CD2. Cartoonish villains.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 03:54:20 PMQuote from: Barrister on March 31, 2022, 03:48:08 PMSo I think you have to limit it to sequels that actually made it into cinemas.
Agreed.
I would also suggest limiting it to second movies in the series. There are many long running franchises where you could pick part 7 or 12 or whatever, or series that really lost it at #3 after one successful sequel (like Smokey and the Bandit).
Additionally, I'd suggest a max. of 10 tears between original and sequel to keep out things like Space Jam 2, or Blues Brothers 2000 that are bordering on remake/reboot.
In that vein I name: Caddyshack II
Quote from: Syt on March 31, 2022, 04:09:47 PMI would also suggest limiting it to second movies in the series. There are many long running franchises where you could pick part 7 or 12 or whatever, or series that really lost it at #3 after one successful sequel (like Smokey and the Bandit).
Yes. Such as Michael Caine's Jaws 4: The Revenge :lol:
Speed 2 is very very bad which is a shame because the first film is great. In terms of biggest disappointments I really remember how bad Men in Black 2 was after the first one - same with Jurassic Park: Lost World.
Quote from: Syt on March 31, 2022, 04:09:47 PMQuote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 03:54:20 PMQuote from: Barrister on March 31, 2022, 03:48:08 PMSo I think you have to limit it to sequels that actually made it into cinemas.
Agreed.
I would also suggest limiting it to second movies in the series. There are many long running franchises where you could pick part 7 or 12 or whatever, or series that really lost it at #3 after one successful sequel (like Smokey and the Bandit).
Additionally, I'd suggest a max. of 10 tears between original and sequel to keep out things like Space Jam 2, or Blues Brothers 2000 that are bordering on remake/reboot.
In that vein I name: Caddyshack II
I took it to be it had to be a direct sequel - a #2. I mean I could say that Rise of Skywalker is a huge drop in quality from Star Wars, but that was 9 movies later. Or the Police Academy movies got increasingly terrible, but Police Academy 2 was serviceable.
But I don't know about the 10 years rule. Some of the worst sequels out there are so bad precisely because they were made decades after the first movie.
But it's not my thread, and not my rules.
I guess lots of people would name Godfather 3 for this honour. I actually think it's a fine movie, but the first two are masterpieces, so the quality drop is pretty noticeable.
Quote from: Syt on March 31, 2022, 04:09:47 PMI would also suggest limiting it to second movies in the series. There are many long running franchises where you could pick part 7 or 12 or whatever, or series that really lost it at #3 after one successful sequel (like Smokey and the Bandit).
Additionally, I'd suggest a max. of 10 tears between original and sequel to keep out things like Space Jam 2, or Blues Brothers 2000 that are bordering on remake/reboot.
In that vein I name: Caddyshack II
Agree to all.
Excellent pick.
I remember a loooong time ago we were talking about must see movies (or maybe great comedies) and a lot of Americans mentioned Animal House and Caddy Shack and a lot of Yuros were like wut?? Maybe you're a rare Yuro that has seen Caddy Shack.
@Beeb. All the proposed rules are good but I don't want to lawyer this up. If someone has a shit sequel that breaks one of the rules feel free to toss it out there.
Wall Street 2 falls afoul of the 10 year limit, but it's a steep dropoff from the original (which is great) on account of being made after Oliver Stone went insane around the mid-1990s.
Also, I like Ghostbusters 2 and I'll fight whoever says it's shit.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 04:16:17 PMI remember a loooong time ago we were talking about must see movies (or maybe great comedies) and a lot of Americans mentioned Animal House and Caddy Shack and a lot of Yuros were like wut?? Maybe you're a rare Yuro that has seen Caddy Shack.
Yeah I've not seen either :blush:
But from the clips I've seen on TV I don't think I'd enjoy them. I react the same way to that type of humour as lots of you react to cringe/embarrassment (which I love :blush:).
QuoteAlso, I like Ghostbusters 2 and I'll fight whoever says it's shit.
Yes. Vigo the Carpathian is great.
I've never heard Ghostbusters 2 called shit. :huh:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 04:16:17 PM@Beeb. All the proposed rules are good but I don't want to lawyer this up. If someone has a shit sequel that breaks one of the rules feel free to toss it out there.
I yam what I yam. :(
Die Hard 1 is iconic. Die Hard 2 is not great. Die Hard 3 is. Die Hard 4 and beyond are utterly forgettable.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 31, 2022, 04:23:33 PMYeah I've not seen either :blush:
But from the clips I've seen on TV I don't think I'd enjoy them. I react the same way to that type of humour as lots of you react to cringe/embarrassment (which I love :blush:).
I strongly recommend you watch Animal House, if not as a great movie (which it probably isn't) but as a cultural icon. The argument could be made that it singlehandedly created the American "college experience."
Caddy Shack is more take it or leave it, and hasn't aged all that well.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 05:06:08 PMQuote from: Sheilbh on March 31, 2022, 04:23:33 PMYeah I've not seen either :blush:
But from the clips I've seen on TV I don't think I'd enjoy them. I react the same way to that type of humour as lots of you react to cringe/embarrassment (which I love :blush:).
I strongly recommend you watch Animal House, if not as a great movie (which it probably isn't) but as a cultural icon. The argument could be made that it singlehandedly created the American "college experience."
Caddy Shack is more take it or leave it, and hasn't aged all that well.
Animal House is a great movie! :mad: And for a movie made in the 70s, and set in the 60s, it has aged surprisingly well.
I mean, you could watch it for this line scene alone:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x403sf
But also agree that it's a big cultural icon, and worth checking out on that basis alone.
I thought about linking the Fawn Hall sequence. :)
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 31, 2022, 04:20:00 PMQuote from: Valmy on March 31, 2022, 04:15:18 PMQuote from: Josquius on March 31, 2022, 04:05:00 PMHighlander.
This is the correct answer
The most disappointed I have ever been by a sequel.
Was hoping it was at least a fun actioner. It was - total garbage.
Matrix to matrix whatever. Intersting flick to unwatchable.
The Mask or the Highlander
Romeo and Juliette parts 1 & 2.
The Byzantine Empire.
For me it was the Matrix.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 31, 2022, 03:37:21 PMI say Crocodile Dundee. The original was great, the second was unwatchable.
The second was okayish. Now, the 3rd one... :bleeding:
I bitch at a lot of people for making unsubstantiated claims, so what's sauce for the goose.
Tonight was my college kid karaoke night, so I asked a bunch of people if they had seen Animal House. My follow up for those who answered yes was "do you relate to it."
Two groups gave me a look like I was a crazy homeless person.
The results for those who answered:
Of the guys maybe 13 out of 20 had seen it, of those maybe three said they could relate.
Zero girls out of 10 had seen it. A few said they had heard of it.
So that's the raw data for "is Animal House a cultural icon."
Theory: it's a lot harder to make a successful comedy sequel than most other genres. Comedy tends to be very much tied to the zeitgeist in which it was made. Sequels are caught between repeating what worked before, but bigger/better. This may work well in e.g. action movies, but a lot of comedy tends to age badly, so repeating something that worked 3 or 5 years ago may end up being a dud for being out of step with the public's taste.
If judging by quality, not by success :
First Blood part II/Rambo II.
Otherwise, Highlander II (for both criteria) as BB said.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 31, 2022, 09:05:22 PMThe Byzantine Empire.
I'd go with the Marxist answer and Louis Bonaparte.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2022, 09:26:10 PMFor me it was the Matrix.
The Matrix sequels sucked. I haven't seen the latest one.
Ernest Goes to Camp
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on April 01, 2022, 08:22:59 AMQuote from: jimmy olsen on March 31, 2022, 09:26:10 PMFor me it was the Matrix.
The Matrix sequels sucked. I haven't seen the latest one.
Wouldn't agree The Matrix belongs on this list, its definitely not the top (since Highlander exists).
Certainly PERSONALLY it stands out as the most disappointing sequel. But if you watched them all for the first time today without such built up hype and excitement... Its quite a standard declining sequel staircase of quality.
The second actually seemed it was going somewhere.....it had potential, as stuck up its own arse as it might have been.... But the third fumbled all that for a stupid ending instead.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 01, 2022, 01:31:16 AMI bitch at a lot of people for making unsubstantiated claims, so what's sauce for the goose.
Tonight was my college kid karaoke night, so I asked a bunch of people if they had seen Animal House. My follow up for those who answered yes was "do you relate to it."
Two groups gave me a look like I was a crazy homeless person.
The results for those who answered:
Of the guys maybe 13 out of 20 had seen it, of those maybe three said they could relate.
Zero girls out of 10 had seen it. A few said they had heard of it.
So that's the raw data for "is Animal House a cultural icon."
It is a nearly 50 year old movie, so I guess I understand why it's only 13 / 20 for young men.
As for "relate to"... I mean I obviously relate to it because I was in a fraternity, and we held toga parties that were obviously an Animal House rip-off (ours was Oc-TOGA-fest, and combined togas with hallowe'en costumes in late October). But I don't know if it's a movie you necessarily relate to, so much as you think is funny.
And for being a cultural icon - it's like Citizen Kane. They're icons because they've been copied, parodied, homaged for decades. Animal House was the direct inspiration for countless campus comedies,: Revenge of the Nerds, Back to School, Van Wilder, Old School...
Even if you've never seen Animal House, you'll find it familiar.
Except that there is now a *huge* discrepancy between this image shaped by Animal House and its long-lasting impact, and the reality of "the College Experience" today in the US. The rift between what their parents told them (who, themselves are approaching the age of not having really experienced it) and what they see is gigantic. It might as well be Charlie Chaplin's Gold Rush for these kids.
Quote from: Barrister on April 01, 2022, 11:23:08 AMAnd for being a cultural icon - it's like Citizen Kane. They're icons because they've been copied, parodied, homaged for decades. Animal House was the direct inspiration for countless campus comedies,: Revenge of the Nerds, Back to School, Van Wilder, Old School...
Yeah - I've not seen any of those. I don't know why because I love US high school films but campus comedies/college experience always seems a bit more distant. Not sure how you'd put it in the US but they always seem a bit laddish in a way I'm not a massive fan of personally.
And that's a type of film I generally avoid actually - anything too laddish.
Inspired by this I had a look at various "worst sequel" lists. I didn't remember that there was a Basic Instinct II :D
Quote from: Syt on April 01, 2022, 12:44:02 PMInspired by this I had a look at various "worst sequel" lists. I didn't remember that there was a Basic Instinct II :D
The one I listed!
Quote from: garbon on April 01, 2022, 12:47:43 PMQuote from: Syt on April 01, 2022, 12:44:02 PMInspired by this I had a look at various "worst sequel" lists. I didn't remember that there was a Basic Instinct II :D
The one I listed!
I'm sorry, I overlooked it. :(
Big-tit College Cheerleaders really declined after Volume 77.
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 01, 2022, 12:30:46 PMExcept that there is now a *huge* discrepancy between this image shaped by Animal House and its long-lasting impact, and the reality of "the College Experience" today in the US. The rift between what their parents told them (who, themselves are approaching the age of not having really experienced it) and what they see is gigantic. It might as well be Charlie Chaplin's Gold Rush for these kids.
Yeah it isn't the 70s anymore.
Quote from: Valmy on April 01, 2022, 08:01:30 PMQuote from: Oexmelin on April 01, 2022, 12:30:46 PMExcept that there is now a *huge* discrepancy between this image shaped by Animal House and its long-lasting impact, and the reality of "the College Experience" today in the US. The rift between what their parents told them (who, themselves are approaching the age of not having really experienced it) and what they see is gigantic. It might as well be Charlie Chaplin's Gold Rush for these kids.
Yeah it isn't the 70s anymore.
Specially since Animal House took place in the '60s. :P
Asked a follow up survey question tonight.
"Which high school movie can you relate to the most."
A preponderance of Ferris Bueller from the guys, Mean Girls had a pluarality with the girls, but not dominant. Quite a few Breakfast Clubs on both sides.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 08, 2022, 02:35:12 AMAsked a follow up survey question tonight.
"Which high school movie can you relate to the most."
A preponderance of Ferris Bueller from the guys, Mean Girls had a pluarality with the girls, but not dominant. Quite a few Breakfast Clubs on both sides.
Kes.
None of those movies felt very realistic to me.
For decades, my only contact with the FerrisBuellerse was the TV show, which was shown in Spain.
In retrospect, Parker Lewis Can't Lose was probably a better version of the concept for TV.
Quote from: Josquius on April 08, 2022, 04:05:04 AMQuote from: Admiral Yi on April 08, 2022, 02:35:12 AMAsked a follow up survey question tonight.
"Which high school movie can you relate to the most."
A preponderance of Ferris Bueller from the guys, Mean Girls had a pluarality with the girls, but not dominant. Quite a few Breakfast Clubs on both sides.
Kes.
Ken Loach, at last!
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 31, 2022, 04:12:37 PMQuote from: Syt on March 31, 2022, 04:09:47 PMI would also suggest limiting it to second movies in the series. There are many long running franchises where you could pick part 7 or 12 or whatever, or series that really lost it at #3 after one successful sequel (like Smokey and the Bandit).
Yes. Such as Michael Caine's Jaws 4: The Revenge :lol:
Speed 2 is very very bad which is a shame because the first film is great. In terms of biggest disappointments I really remember how bad Men in Black 2 was after the first one - same with Jurassic Park: Lost World.
I agree with you on Men in Black as I haven't watched much of the sequels. I found them just lame or uninteresting. But I've liked all of the Jurassic Park movies, even though some were subpar from earlier versions. I just like those type stories.
Quote from: celedhring on April 08, 2022, 05:40:40 AMIn retrospect, Parker Lewis Can't Lose was probably a better version of the concept for TV.
That was a TV show I really quite enjoyed at the time (probably because I was in high school at the time it aired) but has shockingly almost zero pop culture impact since then.
Quote from: Barrister on April 09, 2022, 12:37:23 AMQuote from: celedhring on April 08, 2022, 05:40:40 AMIn retrospect, Parker Lewis Can't Lose was probably a better version of the concept for TV.
That was a TV show I really quite enjoyed at the time (probably because I was in high school at the time it aired) but has shockingly almost zero pop culture impact since then.
It was pretty big when I was in high school, but yeah completely forgotten since then.
Loved the Parker Lewis show as a kid. The Ferris Bueller show ... not so much. I recall there was a gag at the end of a Parker Lewis episode that had what were implied to be the mains from Ferris Bueller (you could only see their backs) trying to figure out how they could learn from their rival show or conceding that they were better, or something like that.
I did like the often cartoonish humor of Parker Lewis. But having grown up with Loonie Tunes, Tom & Jerry, Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker and Mel Brooks movies that was no surprise. :D
Parker Lewis was very popular around here as well.
Seen the pilot some time ago for the first time, not just in years, with a then unknown Milla Jovovich.