Poll
Question:
If you were in the same position as Ukrainians are now what would you do?
Option 1: Stay and fight
votes: 27
Option 2: Stay but not fight
votes: 2
Option 3: Stay and collaborate
votes: 0
Option 4: Flee
votes: 8
I saw Question 8 on this poll from Quinnipiac University (https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us03072022_ujca44.pdf) referenced in a couple editorial columns and I'm curious how Languish would respond.
With the caveat that you never really know what you'd do until you're actually there; I think (or at least I'd like to think) that I would stay and fight. As a radio engineer I have skills that an insurgency would need; and I would feel guilty for the rest of my life if I didn't.
I'd fight. I'm a really bad shot but I have electronics skills that can probably be useful.
I would get my kids to safety first, tho.
Stay and fight. An unprovoked Russian invasion was exactly what we prepared for in the army.
I'm not sure. I'm 65 years old now and have an eye condition, I wouldn't last two minutes on the front line.
But maybe there is some worthwhile stuff to be done back in the city :hmm:
The Man said 20-60 year olds stay and fight, so I'd stay and fight.
I've got no endurance so hopefully they'd push an AK into my hands and stick me in building and tell me when the Russians are coming.
I would stay and fight and try to send Mrs CC to safety. She would give me a withering look just before heading toward the shooting to see what she could do.
GTFO ASAP
Quote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with
Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I'd make excellent canon fodder.
My situation is slightly unique because my old homeland would come under invasion probably long before my new home would.
Assuming its an invasion of Hungary, as first priority I would endevaour to organise getting my sister's family and my parents to the UK via friends in Germany. Although, I'd fully expect my parents refusing to leave their home empty, and I would fully expect the UK government not to let them enter. But I think for the short term at least I could have them seek shelter in Germany.
Then, I think I would try to look for the best option available to do my part. Considering my age and physical shape, I would amount to nothing more than a bullet-soak for the enemy, but with my language skills I'd probably do more good as a clerk-like role somewhere but I'd imagine such roles are not available on a whim.
If I could convince myself that I am doing my bit from the UK while the 100+ years home of my family is ransacked and burned down, I'd probably do so, but if I couldn't, I am not sure I could live with myself sitting it out abroad.
Quote from: Tamas on March 14, 2022, 09:13:14 AMThen, I think I would try to look for the best option available to do my part. Considering my age and physical shape, I would amount to nothing more than a bullet-soak for the enemy, but with my language skills I'd probably do more good as a clerk-like role somewhere but I'd imagine such roles are not available on a whim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0cPn4kxGIM
That's the ticket. :)
Russia invading Iceland has to first defeat the US navy to have any hope of holding the island. :hmm: The logistics would be untenable. Passive resistance until the Russians GTFO.
Quote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
I would stay and fight as it would be my obligation--I am between the age of 18 and 60. I'd make sure my wife and kids were on a train to safety first, and then report for whatever militia/national guard equivalent I'd be expected to join. in an actual invasion scenario, I suspect long-retired military officers like myself would probably be recalled to formal service, but I'm not sure specifically if we're talking "if America was invaded" vs "if you were Ukrainian."
I'm in nowhere near the shape I was in my youth or even my 30s, but I still lift weights, still do basic cardio, so I could move around without falling over dead. I haven't maintained my firearms proficiency anywhere near regular, but I assume with some brief training I could at least serve some purpose, I'd have no illusions I'd be John Rambo mode, but I would at least be able to make a proper showing.
I would stay at home just like now. Fighting and fleeing are both too much work.
I don't think I have any useful combat skill besides making the enemy waste a bullet on me.
Why, I would dance!
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Quote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
Will you come back after the rest of us have fought off the Russians?
Even people who have never served and have no war placement are legally obliged to help the war effort.
One thing I've always wondered and I don't know how it could really get implemented, I wonder if you might have any input on this.
I think that almost all of us, a bunch of middle-aged white collar nerds, would be almost surely useless in a combat situation, due to total lack of experience, skill or even fitness. Then again, we could almost surely be rather useful in a general staff kind of role, in the areas that deal with the planning, IT, logistics, etc, side of things.
So in a context like the Ukranian, of general mobilization of the population, how feasible is it to bring people like us to positions like those previously mentioned where we'd be more useful rather than having one more lousy militiaman?
Quote from: celedhring on March 14, 2022, 10:12:48 AMI don't think I have any useful combat skill besides making the enemy waste a bullet on me.
How did you get away from military service back in the day? I was deemed way too near sighted to serve. :P
I would form a Uniate Freikorps and head to the front.
Complex theoretical as what exactly is changing?
Assuming all is the same except I'm Ukranian and live in Ukraine then flee obviously.
Head off to Switzerland, get married so I can stay, and keep earning my decent sized salary, pumping as much as I can afford into the fight and turning my time and energy onto the online battleground.
Quote from: The Larch on March 14, 2022, 10:29:58 AMQuote from: celedhring on March 14, 2022, 10:12:48 AMI don't think I have any useful combat skill besides making the enemy waste a bullet on me.
How did you get away from military service back in the day? I was deemed way too near sighted to serve. :P
I kept getting student deferrals, and then the military service was finally done away with. If that hadn't happened I would have requested social service anyway.
The one good thing CiU ever did, btw. It was part of their deal with Aznar.
Quote from: celedhring on March 14, 2022, 10:41:45 AMQuote from: The Larch on March 14, 2022, 10:29:58 AMQuote from: celedhring on March 14, 2022, 10:12:48 AMI don't think I have any useful combat skill besides making the enemy waste a bullet on me.
How did you get away from military service back in the day? I was deemed way too near sighted to serve. :P
I kept getting student deferrals, and then the military service was finally done away with. If that hadn't happened I would have requested social service anyway.
The one good thing CiU ever did, btw. It was part of their deal with Aznar.
Same as me, then, although I did not ask for the last possible student deferral and went through the medical check up, at which point I was sure I was getting rejected anyway.
For a weekend (the time between I got a placement and then the medical rejection) I was destined to the Army at Valladolid. :ph34r:
Quote from: The Larch on March 14, 2022, 10:47:23 AMQuote from: celedhring on March 14, 2022, 10:41:45 AMQuote from: The Larch on March 14, 2022, 10:29:58 AMQuote from: celedhring on March 14, 2022, 10:12:48 AMI don't think I have any useful combat skill besides making the enemy waste a bullet on me.
How did you get away from military service back in the day? I was deemed way too near sighted to serve. :P
I kept getting student deferrals, and then the military service was finally done away with. If that hadn't happened I would have requested social service anyway.
The one good thing CiU ever did, btw. It was part of their deal with Aznar.
Same as me, then, although I did not ask for the last possible student deferral and went through the medical check up, at which point I was sure I was getting rejected anyway.
For a weekend (the time between I got a placement and then the medical rejection) I was destined to the Army at Valladolid. :ph34r:
I tried to argue my hearing issues too (My right ear is deaf), but the only thing they gave me is dispensation of serving with weapons.
I'd probably stay and fight. Hopefully I'd be able to do something suitable for my age and skillset. Luckily my boy would be too young to have to stay.
Quote from: Habbaku on March 14, 2022, 10:35:18 AMI would form a Uniate Freikorps and head to the front.
Uniate is now seen as a religious slur. But then, Freikorps is not exactly popular nor known these days.
Try
corps-franc for a somewhat more PC version.
As for me, I doubt I could be part of a Red Dawn-style insurgency, so be it in France or Portugal (if Russians had managed to sweep across the continent...) probably second or third-line territorial defense (bespectacled would not be a no-no in this case).
Send the wife and kids to safety, I will stay and fight.
If both of my grandfathers would volunteer to fight in WWII when it wasn't even our country under direct threat then how could I not volunteer?
Now bein gin the back half of my 40s with no military training whatsoever I don't know if they'd take me, but I would volunteer.
I saw these survey results posted on Twitter the other day and conservative Twitter was LOLing about how cowardly and traitorous Democrats were (Dem response was 40 percent stay and fight, 52 percent leave the country) compared to our brave, virtuous patriots, Republicans. :lol:
Obviously you can't know what you're going to do until you're in the situation, and thankfully I've never been in that situation in my life (yet). I would probably do what is expected of me, and if I'm expected to stay in Ukraine and potentially fight, then that's what I would do (but obviously I would be fairly useless unless my analytical expertise is made use of). Thinking pragmatically, I think I would be an outcast if I evacuated from Ukraine while my peers stayed and fought.
Quote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
Will you come back after the rest of us have fought off the Russians?
Even people who have never served and have no war placement are legally obliged to help the war effort.
Of course, I have property.
And only those present in Sweden, I won't be present.
Quote from: Josquius on March 14, 2022, 10:37:34 AMComplex theoretical as what exactly is changing?
Assuming all is the same except I'm Ukranian and live in Ukraine then flee obviously.
Head off to Switzerland, get married so I can stay, and keep earning my decent sized salary, pumping as much as I can afford into the fight and turning my time and energy onto the online battleground.
If it were the United Kingdom being attacked by a corrupt authoritarian regime would your answer change?
A large part of what would influence my thinking is my life is here. Everything I have achieved is here. The only part of what I have which is easily transferred to another safe country is money. But the meaningful parts of my life (including my boys who would be required to fight) would be here. How could I sleep if I left? I suspect a lot of Ukrainians are motivated by the same things.
Quote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 12:09:55 PMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
Will you come back after the rest of us have fought off the Russians?
Even people who have never served and have no war placement are legally obliged to help the war effort.
Of course, I have property.
And only those present in Sweden, I won't be present.
I rarely say this on Languish, but you make me sick.
Quote from: Savonarola on March 14, 2022, 12:12:48 PMQuote from: Josquius on March 14, 2022, 10:37:34 AMComplex theoretical as what exactly is changing?
Assuming all is the same except I'm Ukranian and live in Ukraine then flee obviously.
Head off to Switzerland, get married so I can stay, and keep earning my decent sized salary, pumping as much as I can afford into the fight and turning my time and energy onto the online battleground.
If it were the United Kingdom being attacked by a corrupt authoritarian regime would your answer change?
No.
Even putting aside that its personally by far the best choice I could help more well behind the lines than as another incompetent bullet sponge.
Plus if its the UK involved then getting the hell out before the bombs fly is probably for the best. Not that it would up my chances of survival too much. Goodbye world.
Quote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 12:09:55 PMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
Will you come back after the rest of us have fought off the Russians?
Even people who have never served and have no war placement are legally obliged to help the war effort.
Of course, I have property.
And only those present in Sweden, I won't be present.
And what happens if the Russians are not fought off because enough people decided to let others take up the burden? Its a classic free rider problem.
Quote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 12:51:26 PMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 12:09:55 PMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
Will you come back after the rest of us have fought off the Russians?
Even people who have never served and have no war placement are legally obliged to help the war effort.
Of course, I have property.
And only those present in Sweden, I won't be present.
I rarely say this on Languish, but you make me sick.
If I thought that we hade the slightest chance I would get my family out and then stay and fight. But Reinfeldt in a borderline treasonous way dismantled what remained of our defense and it hasn't been rebuilt fast enough.
We could join NATO now and then the Russians can't touch us.
When our leaders are traitors or borderline traitors I won't die in an avoidable war we can only lose.
If my country were invaded by an outside aggressor bent on conquest, I would volunteer even as useless as I am.
I do not have military skills, but I can haul things. I have 20 years in Shipping, and I have held a gun before. When it comes down to protecting, even if it is an imagined community, I would be there. My father volunteered at the end of World War 2 (even though he was only 17), my Grandfather fought in World War I...neither of them had useful skills to the war effort (and my grandfather caught a bullet in the chest with the 1st Infantry in France in 1918).
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 14, 2022, 01:05:13 PMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 12:09:55 PMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 10:25:51 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 09:40:53 AMQuote from: The Brain on March 14, 2022, 09:07:54 AMQuote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 08:55:39 AMGTFO ASAP
Would that be compatible with Lag (1994:1809) om totalförsvarsplikt (Swedish law regulating conscription and similar)?
I would be in Spain with my RV a week/month before the Russkies invade. They had months of warning.
Also, I did not serve and I have no war placement.
Will you come back after the rest of us have fought off the Russians?
Even people who have never served and have no war placement are legally obliged to help the war effort.
Of course, I have property.
And only those present in Sweden, I won't be present.
And what happens if the Russians are not fought off because enough people decided to let others take up the burden? Its a classic free rider problem.
If it's a Ukraine problem Sweden stands alone. If it's a general war with NATO on our side I would definitely fight.
We are talking about a Ukraine problem. If it is a full NATO engagement, you would not be needed and all of us would likely just get in the way of people who know what they are doing. In other words the only time you would be needed is in the Ukraine's situation.
Well, I volunteered for the Army twice before but this time they can't reject me simply because I'm too unstable! Realistically I'd make a terrible soldier: I'm fat, old, grumpy, dull-witted, and cowardly. Also the mental instability thing. I could drive a truck though!
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 14, 2022, 01:21:58 PMWe are talking about a Ukraine problem. If it is a full NATO engagement, you would not be needed and all of us would likely just get in the way of people who know what they are doing. In other words the only time you would be needed is in the Ukraine's situation.
If Sweden gets into a Ukraine situation it is because of our political leadership chooses to put us there, either by not joining NATO or by dismantling our defence. If Russia were to attack Sweden in isolation it would be quickly over and I would not be one of the casualties in that war.
We have every opportunity to get into NATO and safety, alas it would take too many decades to properly rebuild our army into a force that could hold off Russia.
I will not die because our leaders are doing a worse job than a five-year old.
I'd stay and support medical personnel. I doubt anyone would want me handling a gun.
I would try to make myself as useful as possible to the war effort. If that means fighting so be it.
I would stay and fight, but as with others here "fight" would be rather limited by age and general fitness. I could be useful in an engineering or maintenance unit. Were I over there now I would totally be one of those guys roaming around finding poor, abandoned Russian hardware and giving them the furever homes they deserve with the Ukrainian Army.
Quote from: merithyn on March 14, 2022, 03:02:33 PMI'd stay and support medical personnel. I doubt anyone would want me handling a gun.
You would be a badass
Quote from: Baron von Schtinkenbutt on March 14, 2022, 03:14:22 PMI would stay and fight, but as with others here "fight" would be rather limited by age and general fitness. I could be useful in an engineering or maintenance unit. Were I over there now I would totally be one of those guys roaming around finding poor, abandoned Russian hardware and giving them the furever homes they deserve with the Ukrainian Army.
:thumbsup:
Oh God I've no idea - I like to think I'd stay and help however I could. But I don't know in that situation, it'd be terrifying.
Fundamentally I'm unfit fatty with chronic joint pain so even if I did stay, I'm not sure I'd be adding much of value to the resistance. But as celed says I could definitely make someone waste a bullet in their attempt to seize Croydon.
Quote from: crazy canuck on March 14, 2022, 12:19:58 PMA large part of what would influence my thinking is my life is here. Everything I have achieved is here. The only part of what I have which is easily transferred to another safe country is money. But the meaningful parts of my life (including my boys who would be required to fight) would be here. How could I sleep if I left? I suspect a lot of Ukrainians are motivated by the same things.
Yes, there are fates worse than death. Trying to live with the fact that you selfishly abandoned all of your ideals and the society that could try to implement them would be such a fate, I think.
And, of course, you wouldn't get out of life alive in the end, anyway.
No idea. Fighting in a war is hardly on my bucket list, but then sometimes you cannot control your destiny. I guess peer pressure would influence me towards staying, but I would certainly not be the first to volunteer.
The problem is that none of us are under 30 except garbon and he's been 29 for nearly a decade.
I would join the militia and fight once I got my kids out of there. I would hate every minute of it though. There but for the grace of God go I.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 14, 2022, 05:05:03 PMThe problem is that none of us are under 30 except garbon and he's been 29 for nearly a decade.
My grandfather's step-father was wounded in WWI and then re-enlisted for WWII and he was over 50. Granted he was driving trucks doing logistics support stuff. They can use us olds.
Quote from: Valmy on March 14, 2022, 05:33:10 PMI would join the militia and fight once I got my kids out of there. I would hate every minute of it though. There but for the grace of God go I.
You'd certainly hate a lot of things, but you'd be surprised how much you'd like being part of something like that, a cause bigger than anything you've served before, surrounded by people in the same boat* as you.
I'm blind in both ears and deaf in one eye, but I'd do something.
* former navy persons have to use that expression.
Compared to how fit I once was, now I know I could no longer do much of physicality of military life and fighting.
So I think I'd be best off being a stretcher bearer or working with one of the civilian rescue groups like the white helmets in Syria.
Given the general lack of reserves of what is now every expensive infantry kit, I don't think that there would be a huge demand for grunts in any but the most static of roles. Most of us would likely be used in logistics or manual-labor-type construction.
And I can at least lift heavy objects and move them, so I would be of some limited use.
Quote from: grumbler on March 14, 2022, 07:16:53 PMQuote from: Valmy on March 14, 2022, 05:33:10 PMI would join the militia and fight once I got my kids out of there. I would hate every minute of it though. There but for the grace of God go I.
You'd certainly hate a lot of things, but you'd be surprised how much you'd like being part of something like that, a cause bigger than anything you've served before, surrounded by people in the same boat* as you.
I'm blind in both ears and deaf in one eye, but I'd do something.
* former navy persons have to use that expression.
I would be the only member of the Texas militia to sing "Chanson de l'Oignon" while preparing for battle. :hmm:
Quote from: Savonarola on March 14, 2022, 08:30:55 AMI saw Question 8 on this poll from Quinnipiac University (https://poll.qu.edu/images/polling/us/us03072022_ujca44.pdf) referenced in a couple editorial columns and I'm curious how Languish would respond.
With the caveat that you never really know what you'd do until you're actually there; I think (or at least I'd like to think) that I would stay and fight. As a radio engineer I have skills that an insurgency would need; and I would feel guilty for the rest of my life if I didn't.
I voted stay & fight, but, really, I have a crappy health, so I'm probably better in some non combat role. My skills are administrative in nature, so I can help plan, distribute resources, or drive a truck/car around. Like everyone here, I have lots of experience playing strategy game, so I might see if my skills translate in the real world :P (obviously, I'm not serious for the game part :) )
Where I 17-18, I'd likely be on the front line fighting the Russian.
No way I'm abandoning my home like some though. No way I'm willingly collaborating with the Russians.
Quote from: Valmy on March 14, 2022, 10:03:04 PMQuote from: grumbler on March 14, 2022, 07:16:53 PMQuote from: Valmy on March 14, 2022, 05:33:10 PMI would join the militia and fight once I got my kids out of there. I would hate every minute of it though. There but for the grace of God go I.
You'd certainly hate a lot of things, but you'd be surprised how much you'd like being part of something like that, a cause bigger than anything you've served before, surrounded by people in the same boat* as you.
I'm blind in both ears and deaf in one eye, but I'd do something.
* former navy persons have to use that expression.
I would be the only member of the Texas militia to sing "Chanson de l'Oignon" while preparing for battle. :hmm:
They'd send you with the Légion Étrangère regiment :P
Quote from: Threviel on March 14, 2022, 01:12:19 PMIf Sweden gets into a Ukraine situation it is because of our political leadership chooses to put us there, either by not joining NATO or by dismantling our defence. If Russia were to attack Sweden in isolation it would be quickly over and I would not be one of the casualties in that war.
We have every opportunity to get into NATO and safety, alas it would take too many decades to properly rebuild our army into a force that could hold off Russia.
I will not die because our leaders are doing a worse job than a five-year old.
Tbh, before getting to you, Russia has to swallow Finland, an independent country this time around. I can't imagine Russia making a naval push for Sweden while leaving Norway and Finland "neutral". It seems highly untenable, should alliances shift.
I'd probably be doing what I am doing now.
Or what I was doing just several months ago.
I can only hope I'd have the guts to join the fight. I'd like to think I would.
Luckily there's a lot of ways to help so maybe I'd be useful as more than just a roadbump.
Stay and fight.
Damn, that makes me feel so old, just thinking about what I am saying and then imagining what the physical act of it would be like. Pretty sure my left knee would fail after exactly one single time diving into a foxhole.
I wonder if the modern infantry digs as constantly as they used to - or is that considered to be a waste of effort, and you just move a lot? I would guess they still dig dig dig, especially against Russians and their love for artillery.
I picked stay and fight but I have no illusions of how dangerous that would be, and I may be too old. I can't run fast and don't have the agility I did as young man in good shape. If I fight, I'd try to find a group like minded and harass enemy troops, or maybe more likely I'd protest unarmed with groups of people in front of the enemy like many Ukrainians are doing.
I have no idea.
Quote from: Zoupa on March 15, 2022, 08:44:53 PMI have no idea.
Mais...La République vous appelle
Sachez vaincre ou sachez périr
Un Français doit vivre pour elle
Pour elle un Français doit mourir.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.37b0e56230fe6b0c92f3c298a77a82fa?rik=1ZKTK73AIQh4Ow&riu=http%3a%2f%2falphahistory.com%2ffrenchrevolution%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2012%2f11%2fboillysansculotte.jpg&ehk=8O9i5X3hdPeMM65Vfk0P7q28vb4SpcpNZCcJDC8i3Lo%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
Of course you live in Canada...no Republic there.
Quote from: Valmy on March 16, 2022, 05:53:16 PMQuote from: Zoupa on March 15, 2022, 08:44:53 PMI have no idea.
Mais...La République vous appelle
Sachez vaincre ou sachez périr
Un Français doit vivre pour elle
Pour elle un Français doit mourir.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.37b0e56230fe6b0c92f3c298a77a82fa?rik=1ZKTK73AIQh4Ow&riu=http%3a%2f%2falphahistory.com%2ffrenchrevolution%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2f2012%2f11%2fboillysansculotte.jpg&ehk=8O9i5X3hdPeMM65Vfk0P7q28vb4SpcpNZCcJDC8i3Lo%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0)
Of course you live in Canada...no Republic there.
Even worst, he moved as far away as possible from the closest thing we have to France over here :(
You are more of a French than he is...
;)
Comme disait mon grand-père: La France, c'est une certaine façon de couper le saucisson.
Comme De Gaulle à Londres en 40, j'amène la France avec moi ou que j'aille :frog:
So there's a lot of us that are a hell of a lot older and rounder than we used to be; who says we have to don the camo and deal with the front lines? I mean, provided you're not obliterated by the war on civilians, that is.
Sure it's more fun to run around in a technical, whacking Russians with Javelins and whatnot. But is that the best use of middle aged guys?
Stick around. Do your day jobs. Welcome your new Russian overlords. By day, you're Ivan, the friendly local television repair man. At night, you're La Resistance.
Secret meetings. Make fake documents. Blow up railroad tracks. Cut telegraph wires. Listen to Radio Free America for coded messages. Help coordinate air drops. Assassinate officers.
Definitely a lot easier on the knees than rolling around in the mud.
Quote from: Zoupa on March 16, 2022, 10:56:45 PMComme disait mon grand-père: La France, c'est une certaine façon de couper le saucisson.
Comme De Gaulle à Londres en 40, j'amène la France avec moi ou que j'aille :frog:
:cheers:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 17, 2022, 12:05:54 AMSo there's a lot of us that are a hell of a lot older and rounder than we used to be; who says we have to don the camo and deal with the front lines? I mean, provided you're not obliterated by the war on civilians, that is.
Sure it's more fun to run around in a technical, whacking Russians with Javelins and whatnot. But is that the best use of middle aged guys?
Stick around. Do your day jobs. Welcome your new Russian overlords. By day, you're Ivan, the friendly local television repair man. At night, you're La Resistance.
Secret meetings. Make fake documents. Blow up railroad tracks. Cut telegraph wires. Listen to Radio Free America for coded messages. Help coordinate air drops. Assassinate officers.
Definitely a lot easier on the knees than rolling around in the mud.
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense for those of us who are older. I'm still trim but nowhere near the shape I was even in my forties as I kept in good shape until about then.
Quote from: Zoupa on March 16, 2022, 10:56:45 PMComme disait mon grand-père: La France, c'est une certaine façon de couper le saucisson.
Comme De Gaulle à Londres en 40, j'amène la France avec moi ou que j'aille :frog:
je me souviens du saucisson :) j'aime bien cette anecdote. :)