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Title: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 08:51:53 AM
Run-off tomorrow, but you are not supposed to know it anyways.  :P

Detailed info coming later.

Mods can resize pics, if need be.

Two links don't work, one for lack of a /.  :lol:
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 08:53:19 AM
Missing ones:

2

(https://img-4.linternaute.com/6d3aerlLqcYy6RhcHy1TO4lhyXM=/fit-in/620x/smart/cd0e817f876343c38e025f3efe902452/ccmcms-linternaute/240737.jpg)

3
(https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/image/NNpCIlt9D-awyes_LT0cNd0jWIM/930x620/regions/2020/06/09/5edf90ec5e2ec_000_cy9ab-4541565.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 09:00:48 AM
Bonus:

La Raie Publique en Marche candidate (Majorité présidentielle so Zupiter's party)

(https://media.lesechos.com/api/v1/images/view/5e1ea10ed286c246d6295815/1280x720/0602573416321-web-tete.jpg)
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: HVC on June 26, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I vote for the one bragging about huge tits.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Sheilbh on June 26, 2021, 11:17:15 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I vote for the one bragging about huge tits.
(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/thickofit/S04E03/gif/JwtUlfAwEwIg.gif)
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I vote for the one bragging about huge tits.

That's Valérie Pécresse, current Region president.
Former minister of Sarkozy and LR member, but still allied with most of the LR centre and right.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Zanza on June 26, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
Voted for the boxer
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 11:40:18 AM
Quote from: Zanza on June 26, 2021, 11:34:37 AM
Voted for the boxer

That's Audrey Pulvar, a journo, former partner of Lillian Thuram, former great football player, pseudo-intellectual poser with glasses and great anti-racist moralist, which she left about acrimonious accusations of domestic violence.

She caused quite up a stir when stating that whites could come to "racised" meetings as long as they keep quiet.  :D Semi-progressive.

PS, or what's left of it.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Solmyr on June 26, 2021, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I vote for the one bragging about huge tits.

Maybe she has huge tracts of land?
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 11:52:37 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on June 26, 2021, 11:50:08 AM
Quote from: HVC on June 26, 2021, 11:08:29 AM
I vote for the one bragging about huge tits.

Maybe she has huge tracts of land?

Well, she is a Versaillaise, but shot no lefties after her victory in the last elections.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Savonarola on June 26, 2021, 12:45:53 PM
My initial pick would be the first one of the dead links; I'm guessing she's some sort of thespian vampire; but before I make my final pick I need to know:

Which one is most likely to re-establish the commune?
Which one is most likely to re-establish the Parlement de Paris?
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 26, 2021, 12:56:46 PM
Quote from: Savonarola on June 26, 2021, 12:45:53 PM
My initial pick would be the first one of the dead links; I'm guessing she's some sort of thespian vampire; but before I make my final pick I need to know:

Which one is most likely to re-establish the commune?

Do islamo-leftist Communes count? Adding one more faction to the Paris Commune should be fun.  :D
It would be Clémentine Autain (3), her party, namely his leader, Mélenchon, references quite often the Paris Commune, 1789 etc.

Before puns on (h)Autain start, she is best described as the archetypal bobo, leaving West Paris to gentrify a then somewhat proletarian nearby Parisian suburb, Montreuil, home of the CGT (Courroie Général de Transmission), a trade union formerly linked to the PCF.

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Which one is most likely to re-establish the Parlement de Paris?

Previously election had a Saint-Just (!) for the FN. No real royalist candidate, sorry.
There is a yellow vest list, as well as a trostkyist list, among other minor lists.

You can try the Versaillaise, Valérie Pécresse, but you will be disappointed.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 27, 2021, 01:08:43 PM
Leftish candidates united in the run-off so it's boxer, blonde and "Green" vers the Versaillaise, with Jupin's lackey as 4th, with no chance to win.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Josquius on June 27, 2021, 02:56:38 PM
Boxer is left of centre then? Went for her. Go boxer lady go.
Watch she'll be some kind of loopy anti public transport vegetarian lunatic.

Edit - ah. I saw the post about her. Yep. I was right it seems.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2021, 03:01:26 PM
Boxer lady is hott.  Love the subdued armpit hair.

Would vote for Art Garfunkel if the poll hadn't been botched.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 27, 2021, 04:05:51 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2021, 03:01:26 PM
Boxer lady is hott.  Love the subdued armpit hair.

Would vote for Art Garfunkel if the poll hadn't been botched.

Easy enough, vote for #3
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2021, 04:12:30 PM
I don't want to vote for the chick with the hands.  I want to vote for Art.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 27, 2021, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2021, 04:12:30 PM
I don't want to vote for the chick with the hands.  I want to vote for Art.

Chick with the hands  is #5, #4 the young one is Barella (not the Italian footballer) RN.

PS: edit
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2021, 04:45:46 PM
I think you mean she is 5, and TV3 is 4.

But thanks anyway.  Got it.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Number 2 gets my vote.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Number 2 gets my vote.

Her united front with the boxer and Art Garfunkel lost versus the Versaillaise.  :console:
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Number 2 gets my vote.

Her united front with the boxer and Art Garfunkel lost versus the Versaillaise.  :console:

So she is available?
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Number 2 gets my vote.

Her united front with the boxer and Art Garfunkel lost versus the Versaillaise.  :console:

So she is available?

Always for islamo-leftism.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Valmy on June 28, 2021, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Number 2 gets my vote.

Her united front with the boxer and Art Garfunkel lost versus the Versaillaise.  :console:

So she is available?

Always for islamo-leftism.

I don't understand half of what you say about French politics with your euphemisms and nicknames. It is what Yi used to sound like.

What is Islamo-leftism? Like we should embrace traditional religion but in communes with centrally planned economics?
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 28, 2021, 01:54:58 PM
What is Islamo-leftism? Like we should embrace traditional religion but in communes with centrally planned economics?
It's the 21st century version of Judeo-Bolshevism <_<
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 02:31:08 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 28, 2021, 02:14:14 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 28, 2021, 01:54:58 PM
What is Islamo-leftism? Like we should embrace traditional religion but in communes with centrally planned economics?
It's the 21st century version of Judeo-Bolshevism <_<

It's been used by the cronies of your boy Jupin.  :P
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 02:59:08 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 28, 2021, 01:54:58 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:31:42 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:27:34 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 12:17:44 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 28, 2021, 12:11:54 PM
Number 2 gets my vote.

Her united front with the boxer and Art Garfunkel lost versus the Versaillaise.  :console:

So she is available?

Always for islamo-leftism.

I don't understand half of what you say about French politics with your euphemisms and nicknames. It is what Yi used to sound like.

What is Islamo-leftism? Like we should embrace traditional religion but in communes with centrally planned economics?

I did not say islamo-communism or islamo-socialism, for starters. I'll answer tomorrow in detail, there is a football match to watch now.
Just check Clémentine Autain's background for starters. French wiki is detailed enough.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 05:15:25 PM
French wiki has an entry, weighting both pros and cons:

Possible British origin mentioned, for Sheilbh.  :bowler: Rule Britannia!  :lol:
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamo-gauchisme#Histoire

QuoteHistoire
Les racines de ce concept sont multiples.

C'est dans l'Iran des années 1970 que prend forme un front commun entre un courant de la gauche et l'islam révolutionnaire pour faire face à la dictature de Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Cette « gauche islamique » est notamment représentée par Massoud Radjavi et le philosophe Ali Shariati, lequel critique certains aspects de la pratique religieuse en Iran, estimant que l'islam contient par nature une dynamique contre la tyrannie et en faveur de la liberté, l'égalité et l'émancipation des femmes et des hommes. Cette théorie a significativement contribué à la révolution iranienne de 1978-1979, conduisant le régime islamique qui en est issu à promettre la nationalisation des industries et de donner la priorité à la justice sociale tout en réprimant les organisations proches de ce courant6.

Une de ses origines se trouve au Royaume-Uni ou l'idée selon laquelle l'Islam pourrait contribuer à faire émerger un mouvement révolutionnaire est développée au sein de l'extrême-gauche7,8.

En France, le terme « islamo-gauchiste » apparaît pour la première fois sous la plume du sociologue Pierre-André Taguieff en 20027 dans l'ouvrage La Nouvelle Judéophobie. Il y définit cette expression comme un militantisme d'extrême gauche qui, au nom de la « lutte contre l'impérialisme » fait alliance avec les islamistes favorables au nationalisme palestinien7. Pour lui, ce rapprochement vient de ce que ces militants d'extrême gauche perçoivent les musulmans comme une minorité opprimée de manière systémique par les non-musulmans, et ce à l'échelle mondiale5,7[source insuffisante]. Il attribue à Chris Harman7, dirigeant trotskiste du Parti socialiste des travailleurs au Royaume-Uni, la paternité de ce qu'il considère être un rapprochement entre les ambitions révolutionnaires marxistes et l'Islam9. Le terme n'est pas utilisé tel que par ce dernier.

Confronté à l'assimilation de l'islam à une force de lutte pour les dominés, voire à une force progressiste, dans les cercles intellectuels de gauche10, Chris Harman, dans son article « Le prophète et le prolétariat »11, analyse la perception par la gauche du renouveau islamique. Il commence par soutenir l'idée que « la gauche a commis une erreur en considérant les mouvements islamistes soit comme automatiquement réactionnaires et "fascistes", soit comme automatiquement "anti-impérialistes" et "progressistes" », ce qui a contribué à aider les islamistes à croître aux dépens de la gauche dans la majorité du Moyen-Orient9,11,[source insuffisante].

Chris Harman distingue cette erreur à l'international de la compréhension qu'il propose de l'islamisme tel qu'il se développe dans les pays occidentaux. Celui-ci est pour lui « le produit d'une crise sociale profonde » et appelle la gauche à se battre pour gagner certains de ses jeunes partisans à une autre perspective très différente, « socialiste, indépendante et révolutionnaire »12. Ainsi, il n'exclut pas l'unité d'action avec les islamistes dans les pays où ils sont dominés :

« Sur certaines questions nous serons du même côté que les islamistes contre l'impérialisme et contre l'État. C'était le cas, par exemple, dans un grand nombre de pays lors de la seconde guerre du Golfe. Ce devrait être le cas dans des pays comme la France ou la Grande-Bretagne lorsqu'il s'agit de combattre le racisme. Là où les islamistes sont dans l'opposition, notre règle de conduite doit être : "avec les islamistes parfois, avec l'État jamais"11. »

Pierre-André Taguieff déplore depuis son usage « à toutes les sauces »13.

Usage du terme dans la vie politique française
Le terme est utilisée en France par certains universitaires ou responsables politiques pour dénoncer la proximité et le laxisme supposés de certains hommes politiques français de gauche envers l'islam, par ailleurs confondu ou assimilé à l'islamisme dans ses formes radicales14,15.

Longtemps réservé aux cercles extrême-droitiers (voir ci-après), ce terme a connu une exposition médiatique forte après son utilisation fin 2020 par le ministre de l'Éducation nationale Jean-Michel Blanquer, repris également par la ministre de l'Enseignement supérieur Frédérique Vidal16.
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: Duque de Bragança on June 28, 2021, 05:26:14 PM
I see Clémentine Autain actually accepts the islamo-leftist label or meaning  :lmfao:

QuoteCertains islamo-gauchistes désignés ont fini par s'emparer du terme pour le retourner et s'en revendiquer ironiquement, ou au moins revendiquer ce qu'il désigne. Ainsi, Clémentine Autain assume : «Je ne comprends pas exactement ce que veut dire le mot, mais si ça désigne l'intersectionnalité des luttes, alors oui, c'est ça qui me préoccupe. Je suis de gauche, et je me bats contre le rejet des musulmans en France.»

https://www.liberation.fr/debats/2016/04/14/islamo-gauchisme-aux-origines-d-une-expression-mediatique_1445857/ (https://www.liberation.fr/debats/2016/04/14/islamo-gauchisme-aux-origines-d-une-expression-mediatique_1445857/)
Title: Re: Vote in French Regional Elections, Île-de-France edition!
Post by: viper37 on June 29, 2021, 05:41:45 PM
Quote from: Valmy on June 28, 2021, 01:54:58 PM
I don't understand half of what you say about French politics with your euphemisms and nicknames. It is what Yi used to sound like.
Used to?Doesn't it imply past tense?
:P