Inspired by the movie off-topic thread and its Oscar discussion, as well as a recent discussion I had with a friend about her changing opinion of Chris Nolan's movies.
Recently someone posted a comedy video (which I had also seen on Twitter) about watching a favorite movie of one's teens and discovering its humor had aged... poorly.
I definitely had the experience of seeing a movie I used to love and realizing later how terrible it was. Sometimes, it's enough to put me off of that movie - to sour the experience, so to speak. I remember having loved Dead Poet Society when it came out, and watching it again years later, and finding it unbearably cheesy. (Probably due my youthful idealism having been somewhat chipped away). I have little desire to see that movie again.
But sometimes, you rewatch a movie, realize the horrible amount of cheese, or the terrible gender politics, or how poorly it is shot... and yet can't help liking the movie still. To keep within the same time frame - about the same time as Dead Poet Society, I also really liked Coppola's Dracula... and needless to say, that movie is... flawed. And yet, I don't know what it is, but Dracula brings me back to my younger self's enjoyment, whereas Dead Poet Society doesn't.
(I am not really talking about ageing special effects / CGI... though I guess it may make some movies that purported to be scary become really camp).
As Samuel Johnson once said - the man who is tired of Gary Cooper's turn in Dracula is tired of life. I also find Keanu Reeves at his most wooden weirdly winning.
Good topic. I'll need to think
Loyalty (I think maybe nostalgia is what you're getting at) and enjoyment are two distinct things. I loved Wrath of Khan when it came out but it's unwatchable now. I'm not going to force myself to watch a movie again just because I was attached to it earlier.
On the other hand movies that you feel nostalgic about *and* still enjoy watching are some of the greatest things in the world. Like books you can reread many times.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
Loyalty (I think maybe nostalgia is what you're getting at)
No, it's not really nostalgia. I am nostalgic for Dead Poet Society - I remember fondly I felt watching the movie then, and that version of Dead Poet Society is still lovely in my mind. But the second viewing was way more irritating.
I am more interested in movies where you kinda feel the "ickiness", but it can't really triumph over your enjoyment. This is why I gestured more towards plot, or politics, or something else. I feel I can forgive wooden, or exagerated acting more because of context - but that may be only me.
And yes, the premise of the post only works if you are the sort of person who enjoys rewatching movies.
Another Bram Stoker's Dracula fan over here. :ph34r:
One of the winning things it has, at least for me, is how everyone on it is totally comitted to their part. Nobody half-arses it, everyone chews the scenary when it's their turn. And it's a gorgeous film to watch, even after so many years. The effects are very endearing, and the costumes are magnificent.
Kevin Smith films are the first ones I think of here. I still like Clerks and Dogma, although my feelings have cooled over time. OTOH Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back have aged pretty badly for me. I never liked Chasing Amy, and am still puzzled by the positive critical reception for it.
Oh yeah Kevin Smith films. Yeeesh.
What do people think of The Usual Suspects? I love noire so it had a special place in my heart the moment I saw it. Is it a little too 90s? I am too biased with love to tell.
Hard to say as I intentional don't re-watch films I really loved first time around, unless there's a special reason or people to watch with/again.
'Apocalypse Now' might fit the premise for me and I've only seen it once in the cinema and once on DVD.
I think the 1980's 'The Thing' still works well, great film in the cinema and still fun to watch again, which I've now done a couple of times.
Also I feel historical films don't so easily get caught up with the emotions/naivety of one's earlier self, so films like 'The Great Escape' is easy to re-watch and enjoy again.
Films I've only watch when they originally came out and I feel I could envoy similarly again, might include 'The Mission', that Klaus Kinski film set in S.America.
Quote from: frunk on April 26, 2021, 06:38:23 PM
Kevin Smith films are the first ones I think of here. I still like Clerks and Dogma, although my feelings have cooled over time. OTOH Mallrats and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back have aged pretty badly for me. I never liked Chasing Amy, and am still puzzled by the positive critical reception for it.
There was some enjoyment for me in most of those, but as you suggest several have aged badly, though I think 'Dogma' would probably hold up on a third viewing for me.
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2021, 07:01:43 PM
What do people think of The Usual Suspects? I love noire so it had a special place in my heart the moment I saw it. Is it a little too 90s? I am too biased with love to tell.
Loved the movie when it came out, but have no interest in re-watching it. Same with just about every Tarantino movie.
As for misplaced loyalty, I'd definitely include a couple of Kevin Kline movies:
Dave and
The Big Chill. Neither are great shakes as movies, but I still get a similar joy from them as I did the first time I saw them.
I'm not sure whether my loyalty to
They Might Be Giants is misplaced or not.
A movie I should not have watched again is Fail Safe. In the opening sequence Matthau's character strikes a woman in her face. She just put up with it as if it was the done thing. It was casual violence that had nothing to do with the plot. Watching it on TV as an early teen it did not register. Maybe it was cut for viewing on TV? But wow, just wow. How that that make it on to film?
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2021, 07:01:43 PM
Oh yeah Kevin Smith films. Yeeesh.
What do people think of The Usual Suspects? I love noire so it had a special place in my heart the moment I saw it. Is it a little too 90s? I am too biased with love to tell.
I despise it with the intensity of a thousand exploding supernovas. It's a two hour long troll of the audience. "We built up the suspense so you would be on the edge of your seat waiting for the big reveal, and the big reveal is that the story never happened. Ha ha ha. Jokes on you."
Fuck them.
Yi and I should never go to the movies together. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
Quote from: Valmy on April 26, 2021, 07:01:43 PM
Oh yeah Kevin Smith films. Yeeesh.
What do people think of The Usual Suspects? I love noire so it had a special place in my heart the moment I saw it. Is it a little too 90s? I am too biased with love to tell.
I despise it with the intensity of a thousand exploding supernovas. It's a two hour long troll of the audience. "We built up the suspense so you would be on the edge of your seat waiting for the big reveal, and the big reveal is that the story never happened. Ha ha ha. Jokes on you."
Fuck them.
Spoilers, dude!
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
I despise it with the intensity of a thousand exploding supernovas. It's a two hour long troll of the audience. "We built up the suspense so you would be on the edge of your seat waiting for the big reveal, and the big reveal is that the story never happened. Ha ha ha. Jokes on you."
Fuck them.
It couldn't of been completely made up since the detective had facts available that were external to the storyteller. So healthy chunks of the story had to be true, but in particular the names and likely a few details were made up to make it difficult to trace the antagonist down.
I saw this one movie once where Wyoming had a nationally ranked football team, but like a lot of movies from the 1960s it didn't age well.
Quote from: frunk on April 26, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
It couldn't of been completely made up since the detective had facts available that were external to the storyteller. So healthy chunks of the story had to be true, but in particular the names and likely a few details were made up to make it difficult to trace the antagonist down.
Sure, spoilers.
There are next to no scenes we see the detective actually observing things unfold. Maybe the original arrest of Gabriel Byrne scene? We are given clues to things that must be false, like the bottom of the coffee mug but we can't infer from that that the events we are not tipped off about are true. And the ending scene establishes that more or less everything has been told as a flashback during the interrogation.
Infuriating.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2021, 08:40:14 PM
Quote from: frunk on April 26, 2021, 08:18:29 PM
It couldn't of been completely made up since the detective had facts available that were external to the storyteller. So healthy chunks of the story had to be true, but in particular the names and likely a few details were made up to make it difficult to trace the antagonist down.
Sure, spoilers.
There are next to no scenes we see the detective actually observing things unfold. Maybe the original arrest of Gabriel Byrne scene? We are given clues to things that must be false, like the bottom of the coffee mug but we can't infer from that that the events we are not tipped off about are true. And the ending scene establishes that more or less everything has been told as a flashback during the interrogation.
Infuriating.
[spoiler]There's the NY Taxi Service heist, Byrne and the other criminals from the NY lineup going to California and getting killed on the boat, the gangsters on the boat with someone who can identify Spacey (who ends up in the hospital), Byrne's lawyer girlfriend that ends up killed and represented the identifier.
So at a minimum you definitely know that there were ties between Spacey and Byrne, and that 5 criminals in the same lineup in NY ended up dead on a boat in CA.[/spoiler]
Well it has been a long time since I've seen it.
And it won't be hard to believe I've never rewatched it.
Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2021, 06:36:36 PM
Another Bram Stoker's Dracula fan over here. :ph34r:
One of the winning things it has, at least for me, is how everyone on it is totally comitted to their part. Nobody half-arses it, everyone chews the scenary when it's their turn. And it's a gorgeous film to watch, even after so many years. The effects are very endearing, and the costumes are magnificent.
It's also one of the more faithful adaptations of the source material.
I have a funny relationship with Dracula. Utterly loved it when it came out, but then I grew up went to film school and I kinda disowned it for being well, absurdly cheesy and silly. Then I embraced it back on my 30s. It's just too damn enjoyable.
But Usual Suspects would definitely be my #1 on this kind of list. It was my favorite movie of all time when it came out, and every time I watch it (did it a couple months ago) I'm fully aware the whole thing is a pretty box full of nothing but I can't fail to be completely enthralled by it.
Another one is JFK. The whole thing is a conspiracy theorist fantasy, but it's so thrilling and well-edited. I get sucked in every damn time.
#3 would be Romeo+Juliet :ph34r:
And I feel the geeks of my generation need to have a discussion about Starship Troopers, but we never will because it's also so damn cheesily enjoyable.
Quote from: celedhring on April 27, 2021, 12:25:38 AM
#3 would be Romeo+Juliet :ph34r:
I should rewatch Tromeo + Juliet to see how it holds up these days. Then again it's a James Gunn/Troma movie. :hmm:
Indy and Star Wars, Pulp Fiction, maybe Batman(haven't seen in a while)
As some of you may remember, I used Roger Rabbit as an avatar for several years. Then, I made the mistake of watching it again. :lol:
Oh, and Princess Bride. Maybe the best kids' movie ever. :thumbsup:
Ah yes, Temple of Doom definitely belongs on that list. :lol: - I adore that film, but it certainly had loads of already effy stuff when it came out, and some of it has aged poorly (Capshaw's character sticks out like a supersore thumb in this day and age)
I'd say Raiders and Crusade still hold up, though? I watched them a couple years ago. Raiders has some slow bits, maybe.
As for Star Wars... yeah, 4 it is rather slow if you watch it today. ROTJ was already flawed in 1983... But ESB I watched a few weeks ago and it's still perfect.
Bram Stoker's Dracula is awesome. Didn't care for Usual Suspects.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 26, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
A movie I should not have watched again is Fail Safe. In the opening sequence Matthau's character strikes a woman in her face. She just put up with it as if it was the done thing. It was casual violence that had nothing to do with the plot. Watching it on TV as an early teen it did not register. Maybe it was cut for viewing on TV? But wow, just wow. How that that make it on to film?
I thought it was a part of cementing Matthau's character as a complete and total amoral bastard. :hmm:
Quote from: celedhring on April 27, 2021, 01:43:05 AM
Ah yes, Temple of Doom definitely belongs on that list. :lol: - I adore that film, but it certainly had loads of already effy stuff when it came out, and some of it has aged poorly (Capshaw's character sticks out like a supersore thumb in this day and age)
I'd say Raiders and Crusade still hold up, though? I watched them a couple years ago. Raiders has some slow bits, maybe.
As for Star Wars... yeah, 4 it is rather slow if you watch it today. ROTJ was already flawed in 1983... But ESB I watched a few weeks ago and it's still perfect.
Hmm, I didn't consider that stipulation. I don't generally rate movies I enjoy as bad. :hmm:
Quote from: Syt on April 26, 2021, 11:10:43 PM
Quote from: The Larch on April 26, 2021, 06:36:36 PM
Another Bram Stoker's Dracula fan over here. :ph34r:
One of the winning things it has, at least for me, is how everyone on it is totally comitted to their part. Nobody half-arses it, everyone chews the scenary when it's their turn. And it's a gorgeous film to watch, even after so many years. The effects are very endearing, and the costumes are magnificent.
It's also one of the more faithful adaptations of the source material.
Yeah, for instance it's the only film ever to try to replicate the epistolar format of the novel. At the same time it takes lots of creative liberties with the material and can be blamed for almost singlehandedly creating the "romantic vampire" trope. :P
I always really enjoyed this comparison exercise they did at Cinemassacre about which Dracula movie is most faithful to the original novel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9D74m628gQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9D74m628gQ)
Quote from: celedhring on April 27, 2021, 12:25:38 AM
Another one is JFK. The whole thing is a conspiracy theorist fantasy, but it's so thrilling and well-edited. I get sucked in every damn time.
Yes - I love that film :ph34r:
Quote#3 would be Romeo+Juliet :ph34r:
It's great :o
But I have never seen a Baz Luhrman film I've not enjoyed (not least because I've never watched Australia).
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2021, 07:14:01 PM
Hard to say as I intentional don't re-watch films I really loved first time around, unless there's a special reason or people to watch with/again.
'Apocalypse Now' might fit the premise for me and I've only seen it once in the cinema and once on DVD.
I think the 1980's 'The Thing' still works well, great film in the cinema and still fun to watch again, which I've now done a couple of times.
Also I feel historical films don't so easily get caught up with the emotions/naivety of one's earlier self, so films like 'The Great Escape' is easy to re-watch and enjoy again.
Films I've only watch when they originally came out and I feel I could envoy similarly again, might include 'The Mission', that Klaus Kinski film set in S.America.
Apocalypse Now, The Thing I have been rewatching over the years, both in cinemas and at home. Apocalypse Now, which paved the way for 5.1 sound (Disney's Fantasia is different) is a marvel to behold in a top cinema, 70 mm, Dolby Vision etc.
As for the Kinski, I believe you mean Aguirre the Wrath of God? The Mission stars Robert De Niro and Jeremy Irons. Great movie as well, but one that I have only watched twice, though the last one was at the Cinémathèque, not too long ago. Aguirre made quite a strong impression on me the first time I watched on TV. My German improved since then, so I can enjoy more the German version. No direct sound, so no real original version and a German-speaking conquistador might sound weird but it is the preferred version. The Kinski-Herzog movies are very rewatchable indeed. Cobra Verde might ruffle a few feathers for the ID politics crowds since they deal with the slave trade in a non-ID politics-friendly way.
As for more personal choices, John Woo's masterpieces such as the Killer or Hard Boiled I can watch every now and then. Hard Boiled on the big screen of the Cinémathèque is one of my favorite memories.
I am not a great fan of Westerns, but the Wild Bunch, so influential in later action movies is a great movie to see once in a while.
As a genre cinema fan, rewatching genre classics often means rediscovering them. But then, this also applies to so-bad-it's good-movies. :) I have been lately on a Sword & Sorcery then Post-apocalyptic binge due to lockdowns and curfews. From Conan the Barbarian, a bona fide classic, to various rip-offs. Mad Max 2/the Roadwarrior is also one movie I rewatch, along with the cheap knock-offs be them from the Philippines or Italy. But then 2019 After the fall of New York, one of the better knock-offs, was plagiarized by artsy-fartsy pretentious genre film Children of Men. ;)
Favorite directors in their heyday also get their movies rewatched every now then such as John Carpenter. But then in France, he is considered as an auteur, even by les Cahiers du Cinéma, snotty heirs of the Nouvelle Vague.
OTOH, In some cases, such as Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, opinion significantly improved following a posterior bad sequel. :P Return of the Jedi does does no longer get significant criticism as well due to some movies I won't mention. :P
Still, I can't say I will rewatch regularly Jean Rollin's work except perhaps for Zombie Lake a.k.a Le Lac des Morts-Vivants (might be a bit too slow/
auteurisant for Viper). :lol:
PS: I'd rather watch Tromeo and Juliet than Romeo + Juliet, as Syt.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 27, 2021, 05:09:07 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2021, 07:14:01 PMFilms I've only watch when they originally came out and I feel I could envoy similarly again, might include 'The Mission', that Klaus Kinski film set in S.America.
As for the Kinski, I believe you mean Aguirre the Wrath of God?
Or Fitzcarraldo.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 27, 2021, 05:09:07 AM
PS: I'd rather watch Tromeo and Juliet than Romeo + Juliet, as Syt.
I think Luhrmann's R+J is still great. :)
Thinking about this for a while.
The ones I don't revisit because I think it might ruin my memories of them are basically John Hughes/80s high school films. I am very suspicious that if I re-watched them I'd enjoy them less - luckily there's no more referential genre than high school movies so I can just watch Easy A, Cluelss, Booksmart instead.
Dirty Harry and Silence of the Lambs are films whose politics do jar more now, but I still love. Dirty Harry is a 90 minute long celebration of police violence (and I actually find this with cop things in general lately - even The Wire has Pryzbylewski's arc which, now, is more uncomfortable - how many second chances does he get v the kids he's hurt) - but it is still, I think, a great film and one that is perfectly of its moment and place.
Silence of the Lambs is kind of gross in terms of its treatment of trans issues (and this was a big thing in thrillers of that time - Thomas Harris also always makes his villains in some way physically "abnormal" which I didn't notice at the time). But I love it. I think it's an incredible film - it's one of the few thriller films that I re-watch because I find the tension still increases even though I know what's coming (Zodiac is another). Jodie Foster and Hopkins given terrific performances and it's just so stylish. I have a soft spot for 90s thrillers and this is kind of like the ur-text.
And on that point most horror films which have dreadful gender politics. But I enjoy them and also enjoy the very vigorous feminist readings and engagement with the genre - so Men, Women and Chainsaws was probably the first criticism/theory book I read. So they have a special place in my heart for actually opening my eyes to criticism, theory and what they can do.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 27, 2021, 06:03:32 AMSilence of the Lambs is kind of gross in terms of its treatment of trans issues (and this was a big thing in thrillers of that time - Thomas Harris also always makes his villains in some way physically "abnormal" which I didn't notice at the time).
Lindsay Ellis had a video recently on the topic of trans portrayal in cinema and how terrible it has consistently been until very recently. Besides their treatment in thrillers (Psycho and Silence of the Lambs are the films she dwells the most on) there's a whole section on the for a while quite popular trope in some comedies of the 90s and 00s of characters reacting by puking violently upon discovering that a female character they were attracted to or even had some sort of relationship with is actually trans. I don't think that such a joke could pass muster nowadays.
Quote from: The Larch on April 27, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
Lindsay Ellis had a video recently on the topic of trans portrayal in cinema and how terrible it has consistently been until very recently. Besides their treatment in thrillers (Psycho and Silence of the Lambs are the films she dwells the most on) there's a whole section on the for a while quite popular trope in some comedies of the 90s and 00s of characters reacting by puking violently upon discovering that a female character they were attracted to or even had some sort of relationship with is actually trans. I don't think that such a joke could pass muster nowadays.
I'll have to give it a watch. But yeah it was a thing, I mean even just on Friends which is also pretty bad on homophobia.
Friends is complicated since the gay characters were all portrayed positively and they had a gay wedding in it which was kind of wild for 1995 or whatever. But the constant joke for the three male leads is LOLZ ur gay. I think it was attempting to be progressive for the time since one of the producers was gay but it did not age well.
I don't know if it is "homophobic" or hateful in anyway it is just like "this is quirky and not normal" heteronormative deal.
Didn't the modern Tootsie musical get a bit of flak when it was released? Fine movie, but not the best gender politics all around.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 27, 2021, 07:47:15 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 27, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
Lindsay Ellis had a video recently on the topic of trans portrayal in cinema and how terrible it has consistently been until very recently. Besides their treatment in thrillers (Psycho and Silence of the Lambs are the films she dwells the most on) there's a whole section on the for a while quite popular trope in some comedies of the 90s and 00s of characters reacting by puking violently upon discovering that a female character they were attracted to or even had some sort of relationship with is actually trans. I don't think that such a joke could pass muster nowadays.
I'll have to give it a watch. But yeah it was a thing, I mean even just on Friends which is also pretty bad on homophobia.
Here you have it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTMidTLO60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHTMidTLO60)
It's pretty long (almost one hour) but she's a very good narrator and it is well divided in chapters in the progress bar (the part about puking is from the 26 minute mark onwards). It also focuses quite a lot on the JK Rowling controversy about her latest book with the cross-dressing killer, as that's a bit of the hook for the entire video.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 27, 2021, 05:09:07 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2021, 07:14:01 PM
Hard to say as I intentional don't re-watch films I really loved first time around, unless there's a special reason or people to watch with/again.
'Apocalypse Now' might fit the premise for me and I've only seen it once in the cinema and once on DVD.
I think the 1980's 'The Thing' still works well, great film in the cinema and still fun to watch again, which I've now done a couple of times.
Also I feel historical films don't so easily get caught up with the emotions/naivety of one's earlier self, so films like 'The Great Escape' is easy to re-watch and enjoy again.
Films I've only watch when they originally came out and I feel I could envoy similarly again, might include 'The Mission', that Klaus Kinski film set in S.America.
Apocalypse Now, The Thing I have been rewatching over the years, both in cinemas and at home. Apocalypse Now, which paved the way for 5.1 sound (Disney's Fantasia is different) is a marvel to behold in a top cinema, 70 mm, Dolby Vision etc.
As for the Kinski, I believe you mean Aguirre the Wrath of God? The Mission stars Robert De Niro and Jeremy Irons. Great movie as well, but one that I have only watched twice, though the last one was at the Cinémathèque, not too long ago. Aguirre made quite a strong impression on me the first time I watched on TV. My German improved since then, so I can enjoy more the German version. No direct sound, so no real original version and a German-speaking conquistador might sound weird but it is the preferred version. The Kinski-Herzog movies are very rewatchable indeed. Cobra Verde might ruffle a few feathers for the ID politics crowds since they deal with the slave trade in a non-ID politics-friendly way.
As for more personal choices, John Woo's masterpieces such as the Killer or Hard Boiled I can watch every now and then. Hard Boiled on the big screen of the Cinémathèque is one of my favorite memories.
I am not a great fan of Westerns, but the Wild Bunch, so influential in later action movies is a great movie to see once in a while.
As a genre cinema fan, rewatching genre classics often means rediscovering them. But then, this also applies to so-bad-it's good-movies. :) I have been lately on a Sword & Sorcery then Post-apocalyptic binge due to lockdowns and curfews. From Conan the Barbarian, a bona fide classic, to various rip-offs. Mad Max 2/the Roadwarrior is also one movie I rewatch, along with the cheap knock-offs be them from the Philippines or Italy. But then 2019 After the fall of New York, one of the better knock-offs, was plagiarized by artsy-fartsy pretentious genre film Children of Men. ;)
Favorite directors in their heyday also get their movies rewatched every now then such as John Carpenter. But then in France, he is considered as an auteur, even by les Cahiers du Cinéma, snotty heirs of the Nouvelle Vague.
OTOH, In some cases, such as Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, opinion significantly improved following a posterior bad sequel. :P Return of the Jedi does does no longer get significant criticism as well due to some movies I won't mention. :P
Still, I can't say I will rewatch regularly Jean Rollin's work except perhaps for Zombie Lake a.k.a Le Lac des Morts-Vivants (might be a bit too slow/auteurisant for Viper). :lol:
PS: I'd rather watch Tromeo and Juliet than Romeo + Juliet, as Syt.
Duque, hanks for the suggestions, I'll definitely have a go at rewatching Mad Max 2 and Conan the Barbarian, not seen those in 30 years!!
You're right about the 'Wild Bunch' , I watched it a year or two ago and still held up very well.
Quote from: The Larch on April 27, 2021, 07:45:14 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 27, 2021, 06:03:32 AMSilence of the Lambs is kind of gross in terms of its treatment of trans issues (and this was a big thing in thrillers of that time - Thomas Harris also always makes his villains in some way physically "abnormal" which I didn't notice at the time).
Lindsay Ellis had a video recently on the topic of trans portrayal in cinema and how terrible it has consistently been until very recently. Besides their treatment in thrillers (Psycho and Silence of the Lambs are the films she dwells the most on) there's a whole section on the for a while quite popular trope in some comedies of the 90s and 00s of characters reacting by puking violently upon discovering that a female character they were attracted to or even had some sort of relationship with is actually trans. I don't think that such a joke could pass muster nowadays.
I hate to think of what would happen if they were to stumble upon Gene Simmons' portrayal of a trans (hermaphrodite in fact) in Never too young to Die /Stargrove.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091621/ (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091621/)
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2021, 07:49:55 AM
Friends is complicated since the gay characters were all portrayed positively and they had a gay wedding in it which was kind of wild for 1995 or whatever. But the constant joke for the three male leads is LOLZ ur gay. I think it was attempting to be progressive for the time since one of the producers was gay but it did not age well.
I don't know if it is "homophobic" or hateful in anyway it is just like "this is quirky and not normal" heteronormative deal.
La Cage aux Folles (1978), which got the Criterion treatment on blu-ray some years ago, a.k.a Bird Cage, must be quite the shocker as well. :D
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077288 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077288)
PS: no idea about the crappy remake
Back To The Future Trilogy.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 27, 2021, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2021, 07:49:55 AM
Friends is complicated since the gay characters were all portrayed positively and they had a gay wedding in it which was kind of wild for 1995 or whatever. But the constant joke for the three male leads is LOLZ ur gay. I think it was attempting to be progressive for the time since one of the producers was gay but it did not age well.
I don't know if it is "homophobic" or hateful in anyway it is just like "this is quirky and not normal" heteronormative deal.
La Cage aux Folles (1978), which got the Criterion treatment on blu-ray some years ago, a.k.a Bird Cage, must be quite the shocker as well. :D
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077288 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077288)
PS: no idea about the crappy remake
I saw that, really didn't get it. My partner wanted it for her French film club.
The guy she runs it with disagreed as its a bit too dodgy. Instead went with some dark modern film about a gay depressed druggie or something.
Quote from: Tyr on April 27, 2021, 08:39:51 AM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 27, 2021, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: Valmy on April 27, 2021, 07:49:55 AM
Friends is complicated since the gay characters were all portrayed positively and they had a gay wedding in it which was kind of wild for 1995 or whatever. But the constant joke for the three male leads is LOLZ ur gay. I think it was attempting to be progressive for the time since one of the producers was gay but it did not age well.
I don't know if it is "homophobic" or hateful in anyway it is just like "this is quirky and not normal" heteronormative deal.
La Cage aux Folles (1978), which got the Criterion treatment on blu-ray some years ago, a.k.a Bird Cage, must be quite the shocker as well. :D
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077288 (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077288)
PS: no idea about the crappy remake
I saw that, really didn't get it. My partner wanted it for her French film club.
The guy she runs it with disagreed as its a bit too dodgy. Instead went with some dark modern film about a gay depressed druggie or something.
Why I am not surprised?
:lol:
Those are the two French genders.
I think La Cage aux Folles and The Birdcage both hold up.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 27, 2021, 08:48:35 AM
Those are the two French genders.
I think La Cage aux Folles and The Birdcage both hold up.
Surely you mean genres or sub-genres? :P
I'd rather rewatch the sequels of la Cage aux Folles than a bloody remake.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 27, 2021, 08:48:35 AM
Those are the two French genders.
Dodgy or gay depressed druggie?
Just watched Alien and Aliens, those are damn good movies. Even my wife, who hates sci-fi, sat quietly and seemed to like them. A shame that no-one ever made any sequels.
Also, the Thin Red Line is excellent.
Quote from: Threviel on April 27, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
Just watched Alien and Aliens, those are damn good movies. Even my wife, who hates sci-fi, sat quietly and seemed to like them. A shame that no-one ever made any sequels.
:lol:
Yeah, a shame.
I used to enjoy "Entourage". Even at the time, its misogyny and homophobia was considered a bit over the top, but it was that "HAHA, boys being boys!" kind of over the top humor that was...tolerable??? at the time.
Watching it now, it is just stomach turning. I am not very woke, to say the least, and I actually feel guilty about how funny I thought it was a decade or so ago. Or was that two decades? Fuck I am getting old.
Another in the Entourage mold, but more recent, and not nearly as bad but still pretty terrible is Big Bang Theory.
Flemings Bond hasn't really aged well either, the parts about raping lesbianism out of his girls is no exactly pc today. The
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 26, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
I loved Wrath of Khan when it came out but it's unwatchable now.
:mad:
I think WoK is still eminently watchable.
I recently watch some of the interviews with the director, Nicholas Meyer, and how he essentially had to "wear down" Shatner with multiple takes in order to wean the hamminess out of his acting. :D
Quote from: Berkut on April 27, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
I used to enjoy "Entourage". Even at the time, its misogyny and homophobia was considered a bit over the top, but it was that "HAHA, boys being boys!" kind of over the top humor that was...tolerable??? at the time.
Watching it now, it is just stomach turning. I am not very woke, to say the least, and I actually feel guilty about how funny I thought it was a decade or so ago. Or was that two decades? Fuck I am getting old.
Isn't that the point though?
These guys aren't heroes. They're not perfect. They are the protagonists but they are kind of dicks.
I recently saw Winchester 73 - the original - a Jimmy Stewart western where Stewart is intent on revenge and plays a bit darker than the usual. Hollywood in that era (and in others) was not known for its respectful portrayal of Native peoples, but I forgot how over the top offensive that movie was - with scenes that make The Searchers look like Smoke Signals in comparison, topped off by Rock Hudson playing a homicidal Cheyenne (??) chief speaking deliberately wooden dialogue in the "Me heap big chief" vein.
The movie starts with a prologue card: "This is a story of the Winchester Rifle Model 1873 "The gun that won the West" To cowman, outlaw, peace officer or soldier, the Winchester '73 was a treasured possession. An Indian would sell his soul to own one" and goes downhill from there, with the opening scene including a prominent stereotypical "cigar store Indian" as comic relief. Rock Hudson's authenticity is established by his copious war paint, terrible grammar and vicious scalping of a corrupt trader.
it didn't help that the story was a pretty formulaic revenge fantasy with an odd variant of "boy meets girl engaged to someone else but gets girl at the end when fiance is is murdered by peripheral character actor" and not as compelling as it seemed when I recall watching as a kid.
Jimmy was good of course but he's in plenty better elsewhere.
Damn, that's a pity. I distinctly remember liking that movie a lot when I was a kid, and I didn't like westerns *at all* at the time (they are a bit of an acquired taste).
Quote from: Threviel on April 27, 2021, 11:36:09 AM
Just watched Alien and Aliens, those are damn good movies. Even my wife, who hates sci-fi, sat quietly and seemed to like them. A shame that no-one ever made any sequels.
Also, the Thin Red Line is excellent.
Yeah. The Terminator series ended after two movies, as well.
Just like Anal Pool Party.
You'd think more people would be down with APP.
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 27, 2021, 03:11:08 PM
You'd think more people would be down with APP.
The original or the remake?
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 27, 2021, 03:11:08 PM
You'd think more people would be down with APP.
Someone should make an app for that.
I still enjoy Breakfast at Tiffany's but holy hell is Mickey Rooney's role terrible.
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 26, 2021, 06:05:46 PM
Recently someone posted a comedy video (which I had also seen on Twitter) about watching a favorite movie of one's teens and discovering its humor had aged... poorly.
National Lampoon's Animal House.
I will defend this movie for all time, but there are parts that have aged poorly.
Now it is set on a college campus in the early 60s so of course it is not integrated. And the scene at the black bar is I think mostly making fun of the white kids being afraid of a bunch of black guys... but not entirely?
And it's kind of iffy in a couple of sex scenes when it comes to consent. Pinto in one scene eventually decides not to have sex with the passed out girl in his room, but the movie sets this up as some kind of dilemma (and not to mention she's underage)? Or Bluto carrying off Babs at the end against her will, only to see them smiling later? Or lying to get dates?
And more meta - I think that movie genuinely had a negative impact on the whole greek movement in promoting a wild party atmosphere. I mean my own fraternity still had toga parties 20 years after it's release.
But still - for its era I think it hold up better than many in terms of its humour (try comparing the issues of consent in Revenge of the Nerds just a few years later) - and it's still a darn funny movie.
p.s. Wrath of Khan is eminently watchable today. :mad:
Is it not ok to lie to get a date?
Quote from: Berkut on April 27, 2021, 11:57:39 AM
I am not very woke, to say the least
This feels a little like when men and women used to breezily say they weren't feminists...although I suppose in some wide circles that is still the case. :(
Quote from: Barrister on April 27, 2021, 10:57:31 PM
Now it is set on a college campus in the early 60s so of course it is not integrated. And the scene at the black bar is I think mostly making fun of the white kids being afraid of a bunch of black guys... but not entirely?
I was on a ski trip in college that involved a bunch of people I didn't know personally. When that film was put on, there was one white girl who got very excited during that scene even to the point of shouting out the n-word.
I watched Wrath of Khan a few months ago. It looks dated and the acting is over the top (it's very much Shatner Trek). Actually, I found Montalbán really distracting. :ph34r:
But it's still a fun adventure romp, very classically made. The ship battle scenes are styled more like age of sail battles in space, rather than the WWII stuff that Star Wars made popular, which makes them very refreshing - the one in the static storm nebula is awesome. The whole thing feels like Patrick O'Brian in space and I love it.
I fondly remember when Spanish TV did a Trek marathon when I was a kid. Wrath-Search of Spock was one for my favorite double headers.
Quote from: crazy canuck on April 26, 2021, 07:48:22 PM
Maybe it was cut for viewing on TV?
Only if she was bare-breasted. Seeing titties as a teen can traumatize you for years after where as dismenbering people and having blood everywhere is totally fine.;)
But the decapitation isn't real...those titties are!
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 29, 2021, 01:43:00 PM
But the decapitation isn't real...those titties are!
Define "real" when it comes to implants :P
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2021, 07:14:01 PM
... 'The Mission', that Klaus Kinski film set in S.Americ.a.
You mean
Aguirre, Wrath of God. It's still great.
Mission has DeNiro. I suspect it is still great, but have not watched in years.
I rewatched Reds (1981) this year, which has Beatty, Keaton, Nicholson and many non actors (Plimpton, Kosinski etc.) in acting parts and interview clips of a bunch of now dead old radicals and journalists as a Greek chorus. I was quite impressed.
Repo Man (1984) does not age well, because Otto really is an unredeemable asshole.
That movie was like my personal Star Wars (which has its own issues)
Crazily, I did see a Chevy Malibu at Davenport & Yonge a few years ago. The driver seemed very familiar..
Quote from: saskganesh on April 29, 2021, 04:53:52 PM
Repo Man (1984) does not age well, because Otto really is an unredeemable asshole.
I still like Repo Man, but I always thought Otto was an asshole.
Quote from: frunk on April 29, 2021, 05:40:00 PM
I still like Repo Man, but I always thought Otto was an asshole.
How old are you dude?
Robin Hood: Prince of thieves
Having seen it once more recently, it was not as good as my memory of it. Kevin Costner's acting in particular always seemed wooden, especially compared to Alan Rickman.
It is a silly movie, and even if you admit Robin Hood's existence, the depiction of the middle ages by that movie makes it problematic in itself. However, I had a lot of fun watching this as a teen, and I still think it's a fairly decent movie. Better than any Robin Hood that came after, for sure.
Quote from: saskganesh on April 29, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
Mission has DeNiro. I suspect it is still great, but have not watched in years.
I think it's also a great example of movies I am still loyal to: Mission and Glory - even though they readily succumb to the white savior trope.
I tried to watch The Mission. Twice. Such a sleeping pill.
Quote from: Oexmelin on April 29, 2021, 05:49:05 PM
I think it's also a great example of movies I am still loyal to: Mission and Glory - even though they readily succumb to the white savior trope.
Now I understand what you were asking. Which unwoke movies do you still enjoy now that you're woke. :P
All I've got in the way of an answer is a song I *don't* sing any more at karaoke, which is Sweet Home Alabama. I started out, like 25 years ago, not even thinking about the line "In Birmingham they love the governor (whoo whoo whoo)," then I felt a little uncomfortable when I got to the line but still sang the song, then recently I noticed at my jailbait bar the ones who are most into the song are the more meatheaded frat boys, so I decided to spike it.
The opposite case for me is "Black Betty" by Ram Jam. Recently learned it's a cover and the original artist was a black man, James "Ironhead" Baker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiCEVl_9-MM
It's a shame, but in this age there's no way I can sing that song in public. A shame.
Quote from: frunk on April 29, 2021, 07:02:09 PM
47. Why?
My mental picture was younger. I was surprised you were familiar with Repo Man.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 29, 2021, 07:03:51 PM
Quote from: frunk on April 29, 2021, 07:02:09 PM
47. Why?
My mental picture was younger. I was surprised you were familiar with Repo Man.
I didn't see it in theaters when it was first released, but I had a habit of catching my college's cult/niche movie nights. This would of been 92 or 93.
Quote from: saskganesh on April 29, 2021, 04:39:27 PM
Quote from: mongers on April 26, 2021, 07:14:01 PM
... 'The Mission', that Klaus Kinski film set in S.Americ.a.
You mean Aguirre, Wrath of God. It's still great.
Mission has DeNiro. I suspect it is still great, but have not watched in years.
My error, I should have written "and" instead of a comma, which would made it appear I was talking about one film rather than two.
Quote from: Threviel on April 27, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
Flemings Bond hasn't really aged well either, the parts about raping lesbianism out of his girls is no exactly pc today. The
Good god, I tried watching a Bond movie, and the misogyny was just too much.
Quote from: Malthus on April 29, 2021, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: Threviel on April 27, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
Flemings Bond hasn't really aged well either, the parts about raping lesbianism out of his girls is no exactly pc today. The
Good god, I tried watching a Bond movie, and the misogyny was just too much.
Not to mention Bond's opinion of the Beatles, in this age of autotune hip-hop. :lol:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 29, 2021, 06:52:31 PM
All I've got in the way of an answer is a song I *don't* sing any more at karaoke, which is Sweet Home Alabama. I started out, like 25 years ago, not even thinking about the line "In Birmingham they love the governor (whoo whoo whoo)," then I felt a little uncomfortable when I got to the line but still sang the song, then recently I noticed at my jailbait bar the ones who are most into the song are the more meatheaded frat boys, so I decided to spike it.
It's an ambiguous line, 'boo-boo-boo" or "boo-hoo-hoo" followed by "we all did what we could do" - it could be interpreted as the band saying they didn't like Wallace despite his popular support and did what "they could do" to oppose him or it could be interpreted as sarcasm over the opposition to Wallace and expression of their support of him - i.e. doing what they could do to help his cause. IIRC one of the surviving band members says it was intended to signal opposition. That interpretation sort of makes sense in light of the Watergate line that follows: i.e. we aren't judging the entire North because of the Watergate scandal; you shouldn't judge the entire South b/c of Wallace. On the other hand the band did incorporate the Confederate battle flag in their own iconography. And the Watergate line could be read as saying we don't care what you libs say about Wallace just like we don't care about Watergate.
As a practical matter. rightly or wrongly the song seems to have been co-opted by the meatheads.
Interesting Joan. I've never heard that interpretation before.
What does this mean? :hmm:
Sweet home Alabama (oh, sweet home)
Where the skies are so blue
And the governor's true
Sweet home Alabama (lordy)
Lord I'm comin' home to you, yeah, yeah
Montgomery's got the answer
Yeah Joan, how about that part?
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 30, 2021, 04:54:13 AM
Quote from: Malthus on April 29, 2021, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: Threviel on April 27, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
Flemings Bond hasn't really aged well either, the parts about raping lesbianism out of his girls is no exactly pc today. The
Good god, I tried watching a Bond movie, and the misogyny was just too much.
Not to mention Bond's opinion of the Beatles, in this age of autotune hip-hop. :lol:
OSS 117 didn't have to go very far to parody Bond :P
Quote from: The Brain on April 30, 2021, 02:53:20 PM
What does this mean? :hmm:
Sweet home Alabama (oh, sweet home)
Where the skies are so blue
And the governor's true
Sweet home Alabama (lordy)
Lord I'm comin' home to you, yeah, yeah
Montgomery's got the answer
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/17/676863591/sweet-home-alabama-lynyrd-skynyrd-southern-discomfort-american-anthem
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 30, 2021, 01:57:50 PM
It's an ambiguous line, 'boo-boo-boo" or "boo-hoo-hoo" followed by "we all did what we could do" - it could be interpreted as the band saying they didn't like Wallace despite his popular support and did what "they could do" to oppose him or it could be interpreted as sarcasm over the opposition to Wallace and expression of their support of him - i.e. doing what they could do to help his cause. IIRC one of the surviving band members says it was intended to signal opposition. That interpretation sort of makes sense in light of the Watergate line that follows: i.e. we aren't judging the entire North because of the Watergate scandal; you shouldn't judge the entire South b/c of Wallace. On the other hand the band did incorporate the Confederate battle flag in their own iconography. And the Watergate line could be read as saying we don't care what you libs say about Wallace just like we don't care about Watergate.
As a practical matter. rightly or wrongly the song seems to have been co-opted by the meatheads.
From Rolling Stones:
Quote"This persistent narrative may soothe listeners of the liberal persuasion, who have difficulty reconciling how music this powerful may be telegraphing politics with which they disagree, but it also has the ultimate effect of widening the gap between Ronnie Van Zant and the latter-day Skynyrd, suggesting the two don't share similar roots. The divide is crystallized within the contrast between Van Zant's "Saturday Night Special," a 1975 hit where he claims "hand guns are made for killin', they ain't no good for nothin' else," and "God and Guns," the title track to a 2009 album where Skynyrd pledges allegiance to these two things above all else. These two songs would suggest that the Skynyrd of the 21st Century is considerably more conservative than the Skynyrd of the 1970s – a notion that is generally true, but with some important caveats.
First of all, the Ronnie Van Zant of legend doesn't quite square with the real Ronnie Van Zant. As detailed in If I Leave Here Tomorrow, Stephen Kijak's first-rate Lynyrd Skynyrd documentary that premiered at South By Southwest earlier this year and recently screened at the Nashville Film Festival, Ronnie was hardheaded and contradictory, the kind of guy who would write "Saturday Night Special" while owning a .22 pistol. A wobbly stance on gun control can be waved away – Van Zant claimed he used his gun for hunting, and in archival footage in If I Leave Here Tomorrow, he says he only owns a rifle – but it's harder to grapple with the suggestion Ronnie may have supported some of Wallace's politics. Both Ed King and Charlie Daniels are quoted by journalist Mark Kemp in his excellent Dixie Lullaby: A Story of Music, Race and New Beginnings in a New South claiming that Ronnie was a "big fan of George Wallace" and "had great respect" for the governor, a fact that skews the conventional notion of "Sweet Home Alabama" of being a protest song against the governor."
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-country/lynyrd-skynyrd-inside-the-bands-complicated-history-with-the-south-629080/
Quote from: viper37 on April 30, 2021, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: The Brain on April 30, 2021, 02:53:20 PM
What does this mean? :hmm:
Sweet home Alabama (oh, sweet home)
Where the skies are so blue
And the governor's true
Sweet home Alabama (lordy)
Lord I'm comin' home to you, yeah, yeah
Montgomery's got the answer
https://www.npr.org/2018/12/17/676863591/sweet-home-alabama-lynyrd-skynyrd-southern-discomfort-american-anthem
I didn't see anything there about that part.
One of the movies I've realized I am overly loyal to is Buckaroo Banzai. It's attempts to be over the top is so awkward that it is endearing. I won't argue with people who just find it dumb, but will say to myself that they just don't have the sense of fun needed to enjoy it.
Quote from: viper37 on April 29, 2021, 05:48:52 PM
Robin Hood: Prince of thieves
. Better than any Robin Hood that came after, for sure.
I'll take Men in Tights over the Costner film any time.
The best Robin Hood is still the old 80's BBC series.
Alan Rickman absolutely steals Prince of Thieves. "And call off Christmas!".
I'd watch the film just for that performance.
Quote from: celedhring on May 01, 2021, 05:50:17 AM
Alan Rickman absolutely steals Prince of Thieves. "And call off Christmas!".
I'd watch the film just for that performance.
He really did the best villains, Hans Gruber is from around the same time.
I was not super keen about the witch part of the Prince of Thieves version of Robin Hood, though.
Which movies are perpetual go-tos for me? Any of Mel Brooks' movies. I get the same laughs out of Blazing Saddles, Robin Hood: Men in Tights and Young Frankenstein now that I got as a kid. Only one I could see myself having "grown out of" is Spaceballs having lost some of its shine for me.
Also, on the flip side, there were movies I enjoyed as a kid like The Rocky Horror Picture Show partly to fit in that I've found myself appreciating even more after going back and watching with context I didn't have when I was younger.
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Quote from: celedhring on May 01, 2021, 05:50:17 AM
Alan Rickman absolutely steals Prince of Thieves. "And call off Christmas!".
I'd watch the film just for that performance.
He really did the best villains, Hans Gruber is from around the same time.
I was not super keen about the witch part of the Prince of Thieves version of Robin Hood, though.
The bit where she scratches a pot with her lone long fingernail is one of those unpleasant movie moments from my childhood that are engraved in my mind. But yeah,
The movie has many issues, much was said of Freeman's character but for me the most uncomfortable bits (I rewatched it around the time Rickman died) is that it's at the same time ridiculous and super-serious, with often horrifying results - like all the goofing around Marian being sexually harassed/raped.
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 01, 2021, 05:00:20 AM
The best Robin Hood is still the old 80's BBC series.
I'm skeptical that it beats the Disney version. :sleep:
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Quote from: Tonitrus on May 01, 2021, 05:00:20 AM
The best Robin Hood is still the old 80's BBC series.
I'm skeptical that it beats the Disney version. :sleep:
A cartoon fox? Yes, yes it does.
Quote from: viper37 on April 30, 2021, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on April 30, 2021, 04:54:13 AM
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Quote from: Threviel on April 27, 2021, 12:08:10 PM
Flemings Bond hasn't really aged well either, the parts about raping lesbianism out of his girls is no exactly pc today. The
Good god, I tried watching a Bond movie, and the misogyny was just too much.
Not to mention Bond's opinion of the Beatles, in this age of autotune hip-hop. :lol:
OSS 117 didn't have to go very far to parody Bond :P
The original OSS 117 was already an unintended self-parody.
As for the new OSS 117, Alerte Rouge en Afrique noire, I see parody of Red Scorpion and therefore, Rambo III. :D
We watch One Crazy Summer, Summer Rental, and the Great Outdoors every September. Its our 80's Summer Celebration. Not all at once though.
I still watch Bedknobs and Broomsticks, as I had named my cat Cosmic Creepers.
Reminded by another thread, Excalibur is still a movie I remain loyal to, despite the uneven acting and the cheesy script.
Good pick.
It's a pretty cheesy pick, but I can always sit down and enjoy Albert Brooks' "Defending Your Life".
In more masculine contrast, also from my childhood..."Conan the Barbarian". :P
Can't think of a movie that's bad that I'm loyal to. I like lots of old movies because they are awesome. Loyalty is not required, it's strictly self-interest.
If I had to pick a "bad" Arnold movie that I am still loyal to, it is definitely The Running Man. :wub:
I'd go with True Lies.
Plenty of awesomeness in True Lies. Harrier scenes are cool. Tom Arnold at his best.
True Lies is still great.
It's great, but in a farcical way.
Quote from: Tonitrus on May 11, 2021, 05:57:19 PM
If I had to pick a "bad" Arnold movie that I am still loyal to, it is definitely The Running Man. :wub:
Yeah, that film is great. I am a sucker for the big dumb action films from the 1980's and the 1990's.
Kelly's Heroes, Billy Jack, The Breakfast Club comes to mind. Oh and Major Payne.
https://www.youtube.com
https://www.youtube.com Bong Soo Han FTW
https://www.youtube.com
Billy Jack is one awesome slo mo kick and and hour and a half of root canal work.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on May 11, 2021, 08:03:52 PM
Billy Jack is one awesome slo mo kick and and hour and a half of root canal work.
;)
I'm still loyal to old Run-Run Shaw kung-fu films.
Billy Jack was something my mother loved when it came out and then was deeply embarrassed when she had her children watch it.
Better Off Dead is another one that would make my list.
Quote from: celedhring on May 12, 2021, 04:56:41 AM
Better Off Dead is another one that would make my list.
But that's a fairly highly-rated movie. There's reasons to like it besides loyalty.
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It was a box office flop, certainly not among the best of movies (or even pirate movies), but I loved it as a kid, and it still makes me smile today. :D
Quote from: Syt on May 23, 2021, 05:15:17 AM
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It was a box office flop, certainly not among the best of movies (or even pirate movies), but I loved it as a kid, and it still makes me smile today. :D
That's quite a cast.
My favorite pirate movie when I was a kid was "Black Swan", closely followed by "Crimson Pirate". The latter seemed to be on TV every other weekend.
Crimson Pirate was great. I also loved The Buccaneer with Yul Brynner as Lafitte, and prominently featuring the Battle of New Orleans 1815. :wub:
And of course there was also Il Corsaro Nero, or Blackie the Pirate with Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill. :D
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