https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11437314
:(
Sad news :(
Pity he didn't make his century.
Godspeed, old man.
I actually let out a "Woooah" as I saw this pop up elsewhere.
I fear it may not be long for her maj...
RIP
RIP. He was always entertaining
That is sad. That generation really is fading fast now.
RIP :(
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*cue God Save the Queen*
RIP :(
He will be missed.
RIP :(
RIP.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 09, 2021, 06:31:27 AM
That is sad. That generation really is fading fast now.
RIP :(
Yeah I only have one maternal grandfather left. He'll turn 91 this year.
RIP
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 09, 2021, 06:13:13 AM
Sad news :(
Pity he didn't make his century.
Just two months and one day shy. :(
Rest in Peace, Prince Phillip. You've been a joy to watch over the years. :wub:
Quote from: Legbiter on April 09, 2021, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 09, 2021, 06:31:27 AM
That is sad. That generation really is fading fast now.
RIP :(
Yeah I only have one maternal grandfather left.
How many... er nevermind, none of my business.
Quote from: The Brain on April 09, 2021, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 09, 2021, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 09, 2021, 06:31:27 AM
That is sad. That generation really is fading fast now.
RIP :(
Yeah I only have one maternal grandfather left.
How many... er nevermind, none of my business.
Are step-grandparents not a thing where you are? :unsure: Among a myriad of other ways to have multiple grandparents.
I had four parents and therefore eight grandparents. :smarty:
Quote from: merithyn on April 09, 2021, 09:43:45 AM
Quote from: The Brain on April 09, 2021, 09:27:06 AM
Quote from: Legbiter on April 09, 2021, 08:59:10 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 09, 2021, 06:31:27 AM
That is sad. That generation really is fading fast now.
RIP :(
Yeah I only have one maternal grandfather left.
How many... er nevermind, none of my business.
Are step-grandparents not a thing where you are? :unsure: Among a myriad of other ways to have multiple grandparents.
I had four parents and therefore eight grandparents. :smarty:
I don't live in a porno, sorry.
Oh dear, sad to hear of another WW2 veterans death, iirc he was one of the few remaining sailors who fought at Cape Matapan, commanded a searchlight during the close range fighting.
I Really hope the Queen doesn't give up.
From his foreword to If I Were an Animal (1987) by Fleur Cowles:
QuoteI just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist... I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus.
:ph34r:
Quote from: mongers on April 09, 2021, 09:50:25 AM
Oh dear, sad to hear of another WW2 veterans death, iirc he was one of the few remaining sailors who fought at Cape Matapan, commanded a searchlight during the close range fighting.
I Really hope the Queen doesn't give up.
Yeah. Also one of the last figures from that strange Ruritanian Europe that sort of still had ties to pre-WW1 Europe. You know cousin of exiled German and Russian royalty, descended from a Tsar and various other Scandinavian and German royal families (he was always royaler than the Queen), his mother became a Greek Orthodox nun (and on the Righteous Among the Nations list for hiding Jewish families). And he would have been a Greek royal - except for the disastrous Megali Idea invasion of Turkey, with his father as one of the generals. That was lost with the rise of Ataturk and a sort of early inter-war chaos.
There's a Radetzky March/Stefan Zweig style book to be written about him - we'll get loads of guff about him "modernising the Royals" and what he did in the UK, but in a way it's the European angle and where he came from that's interesting and perhaps understated in his role - I see in one obit that he was an early patron of the Anglo-German Association talking about "forgiving one's enemies" not long after the war.
Edit: Pretty decent and fair obit in The Times (non-paywalled):
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8fa52fae-568a-11e7-b34e-8647bf2bc7f8?shareToken=40a210dbbbcc313945d8a1d0aaccced7
RIP.
He seemed a charming fellow.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 09, 2021, 10:56:14 AM
Quote from: mongers on April 09, 2021, 09:50:25 AM
Oh dear, sad to hear of another WW2 veterans death, iirc he was one of the few remaining sailors who fought at Cape Matapan, commanded a searchlight during the close range fighting.
I Really hope the Queen doesn't give up.
Yeah. Also one of the last figures from that strange Ruritanian Europe that sort of still had ties to pre-WW1 Europe. You know cousin of exiled German and Russian royalty, descended from a Tsar and various other Scandinavian and German royal families (he was always royaler than the Queen), his mother became a Greek Orthodox nun (and on the Righteous Among the Nations list for hiding Jewish families). And he would have been a Greek royal - except for the disastrous Megali Idea invasion of Turkey, with his father as one of the generals. That was lost with the rise of Ataturk and a sort of early inter-war chaos.
There's a Radetzky March/Stefan Zweig style book to be written about him - we'll get loads of guff about him "modernising the Royals" and what he did in the UK, but in a way it's the European angle and where he came from that's interesting and perhaps understated in his role - I see in one obit that he was an early patron of the Anglo-German Association talking about "forgiving one's enemies" not long after the war.
Edit: Pretty decent and fair obit in The Times (non-paywalled):
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/8fa52fae-568a-11e7-b34e-8647bf2bc7f8?shareToken=40a210dbbbcc313945d8a1d0aaccced7
Shelf, you know you've just written a treatment for a book you could So easily write?
Also I was rather fond of a nickname for him, Phil the Greek, I think it was only a comedy or left-wing originated one, but it struck me as somewhat 'affectionate' and not nasty.
Also... all hail Charles, Duke of Edinburgh :cool:
RIP
My first thought was we forgot to make a new deadpool thread. :blush:
RIP.
His politically incorrect jokes and comments were fun. The rest of the family seems boring in comparison.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 09, 2021, 10:56:14 AM
Yeah. Also one of the last figures from that strange Ruritanian Europe that sort of still had ties to pre-WW1 Europe. You know cousin of exiled German and Russian royalty, descended from a Tsar and various other Scandinavian and German royal families (he was always royaler than the Queen), his mother became a Greek Orthodox nun (and on the Righteous Among the Nations list for hiding Jewish families). And he would have been a Greek royal - except for the disastrous Megali Idea invasion of Turkey, with his father as one of the generals. That was lost with the rise of Ataturk and a sort of early inter-war chaos.
The first episodes of The Crown were really interesting there.
RIP Philip. Somewhere in Vanuata a village is mourning the loss of its god.
Quote from: Valmy on April 09, 2021, 01:18:24 PM
RIP Philip. Somewhere in Vanuata a village is mourning the loss of its god.
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....or celebrating his apotheosis :cool:
Quote from: Valmy on April 09, 2021, 01:18:24 PM
RIP Philip. Somewhere in Vanuata a village is mourning the loss of its god.
Yes! I cannot wait for the first long read from that island.
Quote from: Valmy on April 09, 2021, 01:18:24 PM
RIP Philip. Somewhere in Vanuata a village is mourning the loss of its god.
QuoteJean-Pascal Wahé of the Vanuatu Cultural Center told the newspaper that the islanders believe Prince Philip's spirit "will come to Tanna" and that they will worship Prince Charles. The 72-year-old is prince of Wales and heir to the British throne.
God Phillip is dead. Long live God Charles.
Quote from: Maladict on April 09, 2021, 12:37:58 PM
RIP
My first thought was we forgot to make a new deadpool thread. :blush:
Yeah, my bad. I normally set that up. :(
I should add I used to work for the Duke of Edinburgh, I ran a project for his award scheme taking it to young people in industry and work.
I never met him, as I didn't complete their gold award. :blush:
Time to throw a first stone, apparently. The world is a better place with one less "royal" in it, especially this one.
QuoteThe kind of racism Prince Philip exudes is reminiscent of the very spirit of British and other European imperialism at its height. This is the way the British thought when they ruled India, the French when they ruled Algeria, the Italians when they conquered Libya, the Belgians when they owned Congo.
Prince Philip is a museum piece – a living, breathing, mobile, jolly good fellow, smiling, handsome, charming great-grandpa who happily walks about, utters obscenities while his entourage try to cover up for his "indiscretions". But these are not "indiscretions" or "gaffes." He means what he says and he says what he means. He is the living memory of an entire history of imperial hubris now being actively repressed to offer a more liberal, tolerant, cosmopolitan character for the British and, by extension, "the European".
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/8/13/the-priceless-racism-of-the-duke-of-edinburgh
QuoteThe year after that, the MI6, the military intelligence outfit of the Duke of Edinburgh's government , helped the CIA to stage a coup in my homeland. The BBC would not say which one of those 22,219 royal duties coincided with that occasion.
How sloppy of the BBC . . . I'm a little shaky on the British Constitution but I don't recall a Duke of Edinburgh ever having a government. . . .
That guy ground his axe so deep even the handle was gone by the end.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 09, 2021, 06:28:24 PM
That guy ground his axe so deep even the handle was gone by the end.
I certainly won't argue this point.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on April 09, 2021, 06:28:24 PM
How sloppy of the BBC . . . I'm a little shaky on the British Constitution but I don't recall a Duke of Edinburgh ever having a government. . . .
However, this is an unfair criticism, as one might well refer to Barrister's or crazy canuck's government when discussing something Canada was doing without needing to qualify it with "of course, I understand they have little to no actual authority."
Quote from: ulmont on April 09, 2021, 06:20:01 PM
Time to throw a first stone, apparently. The world is a better place with one less "royal" in it, especially this one.
QuoteThe kind of racism Prince Philip exudes is reminiscent of the very spirit of British and other European imperialism at its height. This is the way the British thought when they ruled India, the French when they ruled Algeria, the Italians when they conquered Libya, the Belgians when they owned Congo.
Prince Philip is a museum piece – a living, breathing, mobile, jolly good fellow, smiling, handsome, charming great-grandpa who happily walks about, utters obscenities while his entourage try to cover up for his "indiscretions". But these are not "indiscretions" or "gaffes." He means what he says and he says what he means. He is the living memory of an entire history of imperial hubris now being actively repressed to offer a more liberal, tolerant, cosmopolitan character for the British and, by extension, "the European".
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2017/8/13/the-priceless-racism-of-the-duke-of-edinburgh
Portugal never gets its due :( :P
Quote from: HVC on April 09, 2021, 06:46:41 PM
Portugal never gets its due :( :P
Fine.
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Very weird to see the leader of Sinn Fein tweeting this:
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Edit: And so much ambiguity in "those of a British identity in our island" - I have a lot of questions about that "our". Of course particularly striking because the IRA murdered Lord Mountbatten who was Philip's sponsor into the royal family.
That's probably about as nice as Sinn Fein can be about the royals.
Since the Catalan public TV has adopted a rabid anti-monarchy stance because reasons their coverage of this has been rather peculiar :D
"We usually report the deaths of people that has actually done something important, but the Duke of Edimburgh's achievement was to make a Queen fall in love with him".
Quote from: celedhring on April 10, 2021, 05:06:32 AM
Since the Catalan public TV has adopted a rabid anti-monarchy stance because reasons their coverage of this has been rather peculiar :D
"We usually report the deaths of people that has actually done something important, but the Duke of Edimburgh's achievement was to make a Queen fall in love with him".
Someone on Twitter phrased it, "Greek Immigrant Who Lived Off Welfare Dies in England."
Upon Googling, it seems it's from this site?
https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2021/04/09/greek-immigrant-who-lived-off-welfare-dies-in-england/
I mean, it seems like he is being credited for trying to make good use of his position and do good work, which is commendable as he could had just laid about, but it's also something most of us do during our lives, we just don't all born into royalty to do so having our job be a walking symbol.
Quote from: celedhring on April 10, 2021, 05:06:32 AM
Since the Catalan public TV has adopted a rabid anti-monarchy stance because reasons their coverage of this has been rather peculiar :D
"We usually report the deaths of people that has actually done something important, but the Duke of Edimburgh's achievement was to make a Queen fall in love with him".
I feel for the BBC. They've had to set up a special form (which is being criticised by the right) so people can complain about their wall-to-wall coverage of the death.
The reason they have wall-to-wall coverage is they decided to downplay royal deaths after Diana. The next most likely was the Queen Mum and the BBC's view was that she was a very old lady who'd had a good innings and that was how they should handle. Which provoked thousands of complaints that they weren't covering it enough :lol:
I suppose the problem for the BBC/royals is that what probably most impacts how much coverage people want is how popular that person is - but that's the opposite of how monarchy works so they have to try and do it by how "senior" the royal is.
Quote
I mean, it seems like he is being credited for trying to make good use of his position and do good work, which is commendable as he could had just laid about, but it's also something most of us do during our lives, we just don't all born into royalty to do so having our job be a walking symbol.
This feels like you're just discovering what monarchy is :P
Best piece I've read about Philip. Not unctuous or sentimental. :hmm:
QuoteBack in the heyday of nineties lad culture, Prince Philip epitomised a certain ironically-but-not-ironically loveable member of the older generation. Lauded in Loaded magazine on at least one occasion as the Greatest Living Englishman, to many young men Phil was something of a "Legend!!!"
He had fought with great courage in the war; he was regularly rude to foreigners, which was obviously a bonus; he liked to ride and sail and shoot things and he was unsentimental and uncompassionate almost to a comic degree, which felt reassuring at a time when a new-found emotional incontinence made many feel uncomfortable.
This cult status was only heightened by his legendary gaffes, of which there are enough to fill a book (indeed there is a book). There was the time that Philip accepted a gift from a local in Kenya, telling her she was a kind woman, and then adding: "You are a woman, aren't you?" Or the occasion he remarked "You managed not to get eaten, then?" to a student trekking in Papua New Guinea. Then there was his World Wildlife Fund speech in 1986, when he said: "If it has got four legs and it is not a chair, if it has got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." Well, he wasn't wrong.
https://unherd.com/2021/04/philip-prince-of-nowhere/ (https://unherd.com/2021/04/philip-prince-of-nowhere/)
Details of the funeral are probably the closest the royal family will ever have experienced to a "normal" funeral, ironically because the weirdness of covid and restrictions on numbers. The Queen, their children and grandchildren will attend - apparently no politicians or dignitaries from other countries to maximise the number of family that can attend (up to 30).
Obviously it'll still be televised etc so not toally a normal family funeral, but a lot closer.
Edit: Also found it interesting in the Guardian's vox pops outside Buckingham Palace that 3 of the 4 were from people not originally from the UK (an American, a Polish lady and a Hungarian man - they were quote separately so I assume not a couple we all know :ph34r:).
This has always struck me as a possible upside to monarchy that our big national "events" when loads of people crowd the streets are basically family events that everyone can kind of identify with and, in some way, join in: weddings, births, funerals. Some countries like the US are very good at sort of broad civic events, but I wonder if other national days/celebrations sometimes feel a little exclusive to someone who's moved to that country. For example St George's Day/St Andrew's Day or Easter Rising commemorations etc. How many of those feel a little "nos ancestres les gaulois"?
My cousin met Prince Phillip, when he visited our school with the Queen. She was 14, selected with some other students to represent our school. The Queen walked by, not looking at anyone, talking to no one. The Prince took time to shake hands with the students and exchange a few nice words with them in French.
It's this kind of attitude that probably made him popular with the people.
I have a little 16' flagpole in front of my house. It usually flies a Canadian or Albertan flag, but during NHL playoffs I'll mix it up with an Oilers or Jets flag.
Today I bought a Union Flag and have it at half mast. -_-
Quote from: ulmont on April 09, 2021, 06:20:01 PM
Time to throw a first stone, apparently. The world is a better place with one less "royal" in it, especially this one.
I mean you could probably write a similar article about most 90+ old dead person out there. Of course they are ancient relics of bygone eras.
Remember that pacific tribe who worship Philip as a god?
I decided to check how they are doing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/04/09/spiritual-succession-islanders-worshipped-prince-philip-god/
I do wonder about this lot. They're not as out of touch with the world as the frequent reporting let's on. It does seem they do much of it for attention /aid, so it is quite logical to update their beliefs like this.
But holy God emperor batman.
Quote from: Tyr on April 11, 2021, 02:31:24 AM
Remember that pacific tribe who worship Philip as a god?
I decided to check how they are doing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/04/09/spiritual-succession-islanders-worshipped-prince-philip-god/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/04/09/spiritual-succession-islanders-worshipped-prince-philip-god/)
I do wonder about this lot. They're not as out of touch with the world as the frequent reporting let's on. It does seem they do much of it for attention /aid, so it is quite logical to update their beliefs like this.
But holy God emperor batman.
Cargo cults are complicated. I do remember reading once that it may be form of political theater that makes sense in their culture but doesn't in ours.
Quote from: Razgovory on April 11, 2021, 08:35:28 AM
Quote from: Tyr on April 11, 2021, 02:31:24 AM
Remember that pacific tribe who worship Philip as a god?
I decided to check how they are doing.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/04/09/spiritual-succession-islanders-worshipped-prince-philip-god/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2021/04/09/spiritual-succession-islanders-worshipped-prince-philip-god/)
I do wonder about this lot. They're not as out of touch with the world as the frequent reporting let's on. It does seem they do much of it for attention /aid, so it is quite logical to update their beliefs like this.
But holy God emperor batman.
Cargo cults are complicated. I do remember reading once that it may be form of political theater that makes sense in their culture but doesn't in ours.
IDK. Plenty of people in the developed world seem to worship people like Steve Jobs or Musk, not to mention actors.
By that standard, one might say millions of people worship their pets.
We've returned to the pantheon of Egypt and animal-headed deities. :(
Quote from: Tonitrus on April 11, 2021, 10:48:24 AM
By that standard, one might say millions of people worship their pets.
We've returned to the pantheon of Egypt and animal-headed deities. :(
Indeed, considering they seem to have boundless compassion for their animals, and none for their neighbors.
Interesting colour:
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Inevitably, fire begat fire and "Phil the Greek" was the subject of more than a few unflattering nicknames during his lifetime, some inspired by his decidedly non-British origins as the son of a German princess who married into the Greek royal family. The duke's approach to all this was neatly summed up in an anecdote published in Private Eye 1543, which we reproduce here because frankly it's too good not to:
Many years before, the Queen Mum had welcomed Prince Philip into the family by dubbing him "The Hun" while other courtiers called him "Charlie Kraut" or "Phil the Greek". Even saintly Princess Diana reportedly referred to him as "Stavros", although not to his face as his response might have been robust. He was sailing off the Isle of Wight one year when the skipper of another boat shouted: "Oi! Out of the way, Stavros!" Philip yelled back: "It's not Stavros, and it's my wife's fucking water so I'll do what I fucking well please." What a treat he would have been on Oprah.
Bloody hell - I thought all the rules were based on "reasonable excuses" and lists of things what that includes. I feel like letting someone sit next to a 90+ year old widow at her husband's funeral would be a reasonable excuse - I really hope people haven't been overly strict about this :(
QuoteReports have speculated that the Queen might have to sit on her own during the funeral in St George's chapel because Covid rules state that people must stay at least 2 metres apart from anyone who is not part of their household.
The Queen does not meet the requirements under the rules to join a support bubble because she does not live alone. However, a member of her Windsor Castle staff would be allowed to sit with her, and it seems unlikely the monarch will not have someone to accompany her at her husband's funeral.
The 30 mourners allowed at the ceremony under coronavirus rules must wear face coverings during the service and are not allowed to sing. Government rules state only one "professional" person can sing at funerals and only up to three individuals can sing "if it is essential to an act of worship".
I think seeing this will be one of the things that really hits home how awful the rules on funerals must have been during covid - you can read about them and understand it in theory but actually seeing it will be different.
Edit: And the royals have started doing "appropriate" events again.
It is one of the things that lures me into net curtain twitching territory...the thought that people have had to put up with unsatisfactory funerals while others breach the rules on a whim :(
Very British Royal problems.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey7LQRZWYAce6DT?format=jpg&name=small)
God he's such a dick - as well, obviously, as a sex offender <_<
This whole thing is such ridiculous farce in 2021.
Let me introduce you to the Queen's Remembrancer :P
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExLKzWyVgAcd-dE?format=jpg&name=small)
(Of course that is the last Queen's Remembrancer - the current one is a woman. So, progress.)
What's the symbolism of the horseshoe? :P
Apparently they collect quit rents (feudal taxes paid in lieu of other obligations) from the City of London. One is for two knives (one blunt and one sharp); the secod is for six horseshoes and 61 horseshoe nails (these are then loaned back to the City to present next year); and the third is £11.
So he's just holding a couple of the taxes he collects and I think the £11 are presented on a special cloth - maybe the one behind him? :hmm:
The curious thing is that he saw active service in the Falklands war. The government of the time wanted him to take a desk job but the Queen insisted he be allowed to serve in the frontline. So he flew his helicopter about rescuing people, spotting submarines and whatever else it is helicopter pilots do. He then went on to have a reasonable navy career.
So he is perfectly entitled to wear a uniform that he has actually earned, but instead wants to play at dressing up and earn the contempt of all right-thinking folk. I suppose he's a stupid pillock; that must be it.
So it's a glorified tax collector, then?
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 14, 2021, 06:46:36 AM
Apparently they collect quit rents (feudal taxes paid in lieu of other obligations) from the City of London. One is for two knives (one blunt and one sharp); the secod is for six horseshoes and 61 horseshoe nails (these are then loaned back to the City to present next year); and the third is £11.
So he's just holding a couple of the taxes he collects and I think the £11 are presented on a special cloth - maybe the one behind him? :hmm:
His headgear is begging to have a bowl of fruit put on it.
Quote from: The Larch on April 14, 2021, 06:49:09 AM
So it's a glorified tax collector, then?
Yep. That's the purpose of "remembrancing" apparently - to remind the monarch who owes what on their taxes.
They also do the "Trial of the Pyx" when they check the quality and weight of money produced by the Mint. Apparently they're also responsible for supervising planting new trees in the forest of Dean. According to Wiki their other duties include nominating high sheriffs to each county by pricking their name in parchment, presenting the Lord Mayor of the City to the senior judiciary on Lord Mayor's Day and presenting Sheriffs of the City of London with the writ of their authority from the Queen.
Obviously it's a part time role :P Technically they're in the judiciary so it goes to whoever is the Senior Master (basically specific pre-trial/case and trial management judges) of one of the High Court divisions.
There is a point where tradition-preserving becomes degrading parody. This is one of those cases.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 14, 2021, 06:17:44 AM
God he's such a dick - as well, obviously, as a sex offender <_<
And also a Vice-Admiral since 2015.
See https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/royal-navy-responsive/documents/useful-resources/navy_directory.pdf?la=en-gb&hash=06EAE4D98ACBB12DD39B4D69D69EC90D
[A little out of date as it, of course, still lists Phillip as the Lord High Admiral. :(]
I must admit I am not sure what the issue or the protocol is here.
I mean that's nothing :lol: :P There's the Sisters of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity, the Boy Bishop of Hereford, the Bearer of the Dog Whipper's Rod, the Sculptor in Ordinary, the Searcher of Santuary and the Keeper of the Great Clock (they look after Big Ben) :P
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 13, 2021, 08:11:16 PM
I think seeing this will be one of the things that really hits home how awful the rules on funerals must have been during covid - you can read about them and understand it in theory but actually seeing it will be different.
Yeah. One of the members of my chess club, last March, couldn't have a funeral for his father at all, which sounded completely terrible and was a big "man, we're really fucked" moment.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 14, 2021, 07:32:04 AM
I mean that's nothing :lol: :P There's the Sisters of the Most Holy and Undivided Trinity, the Boy Bishop of Hereford, the Bearer of the Dog Whipper's Rod, the Sculptor in Ordinary, the Searcher of Santuary and the Keeper of the Great Clock (they look after Big Ben) :P
Don't forget the baby-eating Bishop of Bath and Wells!
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 14, 2021, 06:57:56 AM
Quote from: The Larch on April 14, 2021, 06:49:09 AM
So it's a glorified tax collector, then?
Yep. That's the purpose of "remembrancing" apparently - to remind the monarch who owes what on their taxes.
They also do the "Trial of the Pyx" when they check the quality and weight of money produced by the Mint. Apparently they're also responsible for supervising planting new trees in the forest of Dean. According to Wiki their other duties include nominating high sheriffs to each county by pricking their name in parchment, presenting the Lord Mayor of the City to the senior judiciary on Lord Mayor's Day and presenting Sheriffs of the City of London with the writ of their authority from the Queen.
Obviously it's a part time role :P Technically they're in the judiciary so it goes to whoever is the Senior Master (basically specific pre-trial/case and trial management judges) of one of the High Court divisions.
It's like government by LARPers.
Wondering what this job was...
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 14, 2021, 07:32:04 AM
the Bearer of the Dog Whipper's Rod
...led me to this great duty. :D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggard_waker
Quote from: Agelastus on April 14, 2021, 07:30:11 AM
And also a Vice-Admiral since 2015.
See https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/-/media/royal-navy-responsive/documents/useful-resources/navy_directory.pdf?la=en-gb&hash=06EAE4D98ACBB12DD39B4D69D69EC90D
[A little out of date as it, of course, still lists Phillip as the Lord High Admiral. :(]
I must admit I am not sure what the issue or the protocol is here.
Only an honorary Vice-Admiral. He turned down a promotion to honorary Admiral because he was stepping out of public life in the wake of the Epstein stuff. Now, apparently, he wants to accept the promotion he turned down, so he can go as an Admiral and not Vice-Admiral.
He should be told he is unfit for any uniform.
Quote from: grumbler on April 14, 2021, 10:55:37 AM
Only an honorary Vice-Admiral. He turned down a promotion to honorary Admiral because he was stepping out of public life in the wake of the Epstein stuff. Now, apparently, he wants to accept the promotion he turned down, so he can go as an Admiral and not Vice-Admiral.
Ah, I see - it is a bit late to change his mind. He should be told to shut up and accept that he can't go as a full Admiral.
Quote from: grumbler on April 14, 2021, 10:55:37 AMHe should be told he is unfit for any uniform.
Of course, everyone's free to have their own opinion about this.
If he's "stepped away" from public duties he can damn well go as a civilian.
He's lucky he can go at all (though I wouldn't really deny anyone from attending their father's funeral). But the optics would have been better without him.
If the monarchy was really following tradition he would have been beheaded on Tower Hill, so Andrew should count his blessings.
Also - I just think he's fully grown man in his 60s kicking up a fuss about very little ahead of his dad's funeral <_<
Luckily, they have found a way to avoid the issue of Prince Pederast's uniform AND blame it all on Harry, win-win:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/15/royals-forgo-military-uniform-prince-philip-funeral-avoid-embarrassing-harry
Quote from: Tamas on April 15, 2021, 02:51:18 AM
Luckily, they have found a way to avoid the issue of Prince Pederast's uniform AND blame it all on Harry, win-win:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/apr/15/royals-forgo-military-uniform-prince-philip-funeral-avoid-embarrassing-harry
Great! Now what's next on the agenda?
Not really sure I understand this. Harry has had to give up his honorary military titles, but he did serve. Should he not be allowed to wear some sort of uniform?
Anyway, royals in uniforms are weird. I'm reminded of the Frankie Boyle joke:
We sent Prince Harry to Afghanistan. Beacuse when you want to teach people about democracy, you send them a prince. You teach them about peace and democracy by having a prince shoot at them from a helicopter.
Quote from: Maladict on April 15, 2021, 03:04:34 AM
Not really sure I understand this. Harry has had to give up his honorary military titles, but he did serve. Should he not be allowed to wear some sort of uniform?
Anyway, royals in uniforms are weird. I'm reminded of the Frankie Boyle joke:
We sent Prince Harry to Afghanistan. Beacuse when you want to teach people about democracy, you send them a prince. You teach them about peace and democracy by having a prince shoot at them from a helicopter.
Quite obviously this is more about the rapist son than Harry, but this way they have the bonus of kicking Harry for leaving.
Why is the remembrencer balancing a felt frisbee on his head?
It's his hat.
It's actually a small tricorn on a wig.
Harry should be able to wear his regimental uniform regardless of whether he gave up his archaic feudal titles.
Andrew should be permitted to wear his proper uniform of prison stripes and dunce cap, and be placed outside the chapel in the stocks.
On Philip's links to the pre-WW1 Ruritania:
QuoteMourners will include the duke's children and grandchildren, as well as relatives from the German side of his family, who have flown into the UK and are isolating before Saturday's service. Those invited are Bernhard, Hereditary Prince of Baden, Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse, and Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg – two great-nephews and a cousin – who are staying at a house in Ascot.
I guess enough time has passed you don't need to worry about Nazis lurking in the family tree?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on April 15, 2021, 06:10:38 PM
I guess enough time has passed you don't need to worry about Nazis lurking in the family tree?
I feel like one of his brother-in-laws joined the SS and they cut that side of the family. The rest were just nobility in the Wehrmacht.
Wasn't he Prince of Denmark and Greece? Are any Greeks or Danes coming? Though the Greek nobles were all Germans weren't they? :P
Exactly :lol:
And they're only allowed 30 people, plus I think that's more his ancestry and when you're 99 chances are not many of the family members older than you will turn up to your funeral. While I think all of his sisters married German princes etc.
I wonder if our Queen Sofía will attend, I believe they were second cousins or something. :hmm:
Quote from: The Larch on April 16, 2021, 05:05:26 AM
I wonder if our Queen Sofía will attend, I believe they were second cousins or something. :hmm:
Apparently not, only 3 foreign guests seem to be in attendance, all fantastically ruritarian German aristocrats (The Prince of Baden! The Landgrave of Hesse! The Prince of Hohenlohe-Langeburg!).
Yeah only 30 attendees overall - and the Queen will be sitting alone which I think is a disgrace but there we are.
Why such a small event? Surely this should be a big state event with hundreds of foreign dignitaries. Is the monarchy failing in its duty here or is this small funeral just the first one before a more public ceremonial one?
Quote from: Valmy on April 16, 2021, 05:33:44 PM
Why such a small event? Surely this should be a big state event with hundreds of foreign dignitaries. Is the monarchy failing in its duty here or is this small funeral just the first one before a more public ceremonial one?
covid restrictions.
Stiiff upper lip old boy, what what.
Rules are rules - tens if not hundreds of thousands of people have had to have funerals under these rules in the last year. It would look awful and probably cause more damage than the Oprah interview if the royal family decided that didn't apply to them, especially if there were hundreds of dignitaries flying in and probably not having to quarantine like the rest of us.
Quote from: Sheilbh on April 16, 2021, 05:49:43 PM
Rules are rules - tens if not hundreds of thousands of people have had to have funerals under these rules in the last year. It would look awful and probably cause more damage than the Oprah interview if the royal family decided that didn't apply to them, especially if there were hundreds of dignitaries flying in and probably not having to quarantine like the rest of us.
might just push the British toward republicanism.
On second thought, I think they should do the grand funeral!
:P
The Queen will adhere to the restrictions to set an example to her people :bowler:
One of the problems republicans have in the UK is that the Queen and the working Lords invariably behave far better and with greater probity than the elected MPs.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on April 17, 2021, 02:36:27 AM
One of the problems republicans have in the UK is that the Queen and the working Lords invariably behave far better and with greater probity than the elected MPs.
Yeah, so far, the scandals have always been with another member of the family.
Well that was a dignified and appropriately modest funeral ceremony given the times we live in. :bowler: