The Battle for the Little Brown Jug enters it's 104th iteration tomorrow. It's a strange season and game, with the odds varying between Minnesota -3 and Michigan -3. Because of covid, no one knows who will start for the Golden Gophers (as of press time, Michigan still had no one out).
Michigan has a lot of replacements on both sides of the ball, while Minnesota's offence is mostly back. Minnesota's defense is mostly new. Michigan's replacements look a lot better than Minnesota's, but PJ Fleck has proven to be a great coach (11-2 last year).
I've not been so uncertain about how an opener for Michigan looks to go since Michigan opened against Washington in 2001. Pretty much anything could happen.
I don't think that the Big Ten will finish the season, though. Covid rates are rising everywhere.
Go Golden Gophers!
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
Go Golden Gophers!
I do have to say that Minnesota fans are about tied with Iowa fans as the most pleasant fan base of an opposing team i have encountered. Knowledgeable about the game, realistic in expectations, and never arrogant. In the first two, they're like Michigan fans.
Quote from: grumbler on October 23, 2020, 10:35:34 PM
Quote from: Barrister on October 23, 2020, 10:26:31 PM
Go Golden Gophers!
I do have to say that Minnesota fans are about tied with Iowa fans as the most pleasant fan base of an opposing team i have encountered. Knowledgeable about the game, realistic in expectations, and never arrogant. In the first two, they're like Michigan fans.
Funny. As a Big 12 Fan I interact with Iowa State fans a lot and yeah they are probably one of my favorite fanbases in our league. But the way they talk about the Iowa fans, you would think Iowa fans were arrogant delusional jerks of the highest order.
Andddd Rutgers beats MSU 38-27 for the first of what is going to be many weird outcomes.
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And Penn State goes down to Indiana 35-34. Told you it would be wild!
It is weird to see somebody fresh faced and excited for a new season when I have already had my heart ripped out by OU two weeks ago :lol:
Fuck Bama. That is all.
Quote from: grumbler on October 24, 2020, 06:42:12 PM
And Penn State goes down to Indiana 35-34. Told you it would be wild!
Ok it was 36-35 when IU went for two in the first Overtime. They didn't get it but the refs screwed it up so IU won. Fuck Penn State so that works for me.
But damn I was shocked that Texas refused to go for the win in overtime a few times when it was obvious that the defense was totally spent and couldn't do much to stop OU unless they stopped themselves. Nice to see a football team take the 2 point conversion and go for the win at the right time and have it pay off.
Ehlinger would have run right over OU for the 2 point conversion I still have no idea what Tom Herman was thinking.
Quote from: grumbler on October 23, 2020, 09:50:27 PM
I don't think that the Big Ten will finish the season, though. Covid rates are rising everywhere.
No talk of shutting it down here, that I've seen at least. Congrats on holding off the start of your season until cases start going way up. Who could have predicted this would happen later in the fall? Oh yeah, tons of people.
The bigger story impact is going to be that high school football still hasn't resumed in the west coast states, Illinois, New York, and most of New England. If you thought the Pac 12 and northern football sucked ass before, just wait to see what happens if significant portions of their talent pools take a year off. And yes this would fuck over Notre Dame in a big way as well.
Wyoming's starting QB broke his leg on the first series against Nevada. Even though in the end Wyoming managed to take it to overtime, the Pokes lost.
Covid or not, the essence of the Wyoming Cowboys shines through.
Worth a read, if you are a Big Ten fan, and especially if you are not: https://mooncrew.substack.com/p/14-big-ten-universities-ranked-by (https://mooncrew.substack.com/p/14-big-ten-universities-ranked-by)
Oh, and Big Ten/Pac 12 football restarted when there was a COVID test that could be administered daily and produce results (even if skewed towards false positives) immediately (follow-on tests would confirm, but the first test could detect players before they became infectious). The moronic belief that somehow they were shamed into doing so by the fact that moronic conferences started to play (and fall ill, and cancel games) is moronic.
When the two conferences announced the delay until the spring, that was because that's when such tests were expected to be available. When the tests appeared to be coming along faster than expected, the conferences changed the timeline. In all cases, it was the medical types who controlled both conference's decision-making. That's not true for the SEC or Big Twelve, whose presidents and ADs made all the decisions.
I'm frankly proud that the B10 and P12 didn't chase the money (and that they follow the medical advice to DQ players for 21 days, to make sure that there are no heart issue, rather than the 14 days of other conferences who don't give a shit about long-term COVID effects on the players). Major college football has money to burn, and there's no better thing to burn it on than student safety.
Quote from: PDH on October 27, 2020, 12:43:16 PM
Wyoming's starting QB broke his leg on the first series against Nevada. Even though in the end Wyoming managed to take it to overtime, the Pokes lost.
Covid or not, the essence of the Wyoming Cowboys shines through.
Wisconsin seems to be following Poke luck, having lost their first, second, and third-string quarterbacks to Covid. :(
PJ Fleck is a certified football genius.
Is that wrong? Am I wrong to think that?
Quote from: grumbler on October 27, 2020, 08:03:52 PM
Worth a read, if you are a Big Ten fan, and especially if you are not: https://mooncrew.substack.com/p/14-big-ten-universities-ranked-by (https://mooncrew.substack.com/p/14-big-ten-universities-ranked-by)
I certainly do not disagree at all with #1. Fuck Big Red.
Quote from: Valmy on October 27, 2020, 08:23:22 PM
PJ Fleck is a certified football genius.
Is that wrong? Am I wrong to think that?
He's a great manager and motivator, but himself isn't that great at Xs and Os. Last year's 11-2 campaign was great, but tempered by the opposition (they lost to 2 of the 3 teams they faced who had winning records). I'd rate him a solid B coach, who shouldn't allow himself to be lured to a place with high expectations.
Quote from: grumbler on October 27, 2020, 08:21:18 PM
Oh, and Big Ten/Pac 12 football restarted when there was a COVID test that could be administered daily and produce results (even if skewed towards false positives) immediately (follow-on tests would confirm, but the first test could detect players before they became infectious). The moronic belief that somehow they were shamed into doing so by the fact that moronic conferences started to play (and fall ill, and cancel games) is moronic.
When the two conferences announced the delay until the spring, that was because that's when such tests were expected to be available. When the tests appeared to be coming along faster than expected, the conferences changed the timeline. In all cases, it was the medical types who controlled both conference's decision-making. That's not true for the SEC or Big Twelve, whose presidents and ADs made all the decisions.
I'm frankly proud that the B10 and P12 didn't chase the money (and that they follow the medical advice to DQ players for 21 days, to make sure that there are no heart issue, rather than the 14 days of other conferences who don't give a shit about long-term COVID effects on the players). Major college football has money to burn, and there's no better thing to burn it on than student safety.
And the other conferences didn't rely on medical advice? Come on--you can get whatever advice you want depending on who you pay to give it to you. But you can be proud--the Big 10 is starting its season as the disease spread reaches its very worst levels to date in most of the country.
Yeah, it's a reversal. The covid situation hasn't changed.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 28, 2020, 08:14:35 AM
And the other conferences didn't rely on medical advice?
The question mark implies that not even you believe your assertion. So why make it?
QuoteCome on--you can get whatever advice you want depending on who you pay to give it to you. But you can be proud--the Big 10 is starting its season as the disease spread reaches its very worst levels to date in most of the country.
The point that I was making, and that you illustrate so well, is that the SEC, Big East, etc looked for the medical advice that would allow them to do what they were going to do anyway.
The Big ten and Pac Twelve, on the other hand, actually cared about their students, and so laid out the conditions under which they would resume sports; testing that could be affordably done daily, and with results delivered same-day, so that they could catch and isolate players before they became contagious. The medical team (it was the same team for both conferences) then informed the presidents as soon as the conditions could be met. The difference between deciding "who you pay to" "get whatever advice you want" and deciding what conditions must exist to allow play is stark, and it's the difference between those that care about money and those that care about college athletes.
The fact that covid rates are increasing in the US is utterly non-influenced by the Big Ten and Pac Ten resuming play. The rate is also increasing in places outside the footprint of the two conferences.
The Big 10 should rename themselves the Conference of Followers or the Conference of Cowards.
From their own website on August 11:
https://bigten.org/news/2020/8/11/general-big-ten-statement-on-2020-21-fall-season.aspx
ROSEMONT, Ill. – The Big Ten Conference announced the postponement of the 2020-21 fall sports season, including all regular-season contests and Big Ten Championships and Tournaments, due to ongoing health and safety concerns related to the COVID-19 pandemic....
"The mental and physical health and welfare of our student-athletes has been at the center of every decision we have made regarding the ability to proceed forward," said Big Ten Commissioner Kevin Warren. "As time progressed and after hours of discussion with our Big Ten Task Force for Emerging Infectious Diseases and the Big Ten Sports Medicine Committee, it became abundantly clear that there was too much uncertainty regarding potential medical risks to allow our student-athletes to compete this fall.
The commissioner, when asked about pushback, commented:
"While several factors contributed to the decision to postpone the 2020-21 fall sports season, at the core of our decision was the knowledge that there was too much medical uncertainty and too many unknown health risks regarding SARS-CoV-2 infection and its impact on our student-athletes," Warren wrote.
Warren noted that the vote among the leaders of the Big Ten institutions was "overwhelmingly in support of postponing fall sports."
He added that the decision will not be "revisited."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/bigten/2020/08/19/big-ten-commissioner-were-not-revisiting-playing-football-fall/5612935002/
Note that there was never a statement along the lines of: "we are postponing until we can figure out a way to test daily"--they decided to not play in the fall and announced that decision would not be revisited. And here they are, playing in the fall, using a test that was approved for use in May.
And they are now starting the season right in the teeth of the worst part of the pandemic in terms of case numbers (to date).
:lmfao: So, they are cowards because they reconsidered their decisions in the light of new information?
You are a funny guy, AR. Keep it up. Pretend that we are laughing with you.
I really like the idea that "starting in the middle of worst part" is somehow worse than starting even before that, and just continuing right on through.
It's Trumpian level double speak. If starting to play football right now is bad, then surely *continuing* to play football right now MUST be worse....right?
Especially so if you are playing like Texas.
Quote from: Berkut on October 28, 2020, 10:34:41 PM
If starting to play football right now is bad, then surely *continuing* to play football right now MUST be worse....right?
Newton's first law suggests otherwise.
Quote from: Berkut on October 28, 2020, 10:34:41 PM
I really like the idea that "starting in the middle of worst part" is somehow worse than starting even before that, and just continuing right on through.
It's Trumpian level double speak. If starting to play football right now is bad, then surely *continuing* to play football right now MUST be worse....right?
You can see why that logic is wrong right now. The Big 10 is canceling games that won't be played for covid related reasons (such as Michigan and Wisconsin), while other conferences that started earlier and have more flexible calendars are rescheduling them.
Also, it seems that college football players are getting well out of proportion to the general public, so with college football being a mass infection event it would probably be better to get going when things were under control.
Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2020, 08:00:44 PM
:lmfao: So, they are cowards because they reconsidered their decisions in the light of new information?
You are a funny guy, AR. Keep it up. Pretend that we are laughing with you.
The new information being that the parents of players, the players themselves, and the coaches were furious, and there was political pressure, and public pressure, and things seemed to be going okay in other conferences?
They caved in to the pressure. But good for them to back off a dumb decision.
Quote from: alfred russel on October 29, 2020, 08:25:21 AM
The new information being that the parents of players, the players themselves, and the coaches were furious, and there was political pressure, and public pressure, and things seemed to be going okay in other conferences?
They caved in to the pressure. But good for them to back off a dumb decision.
No, that's not at all what happened, but do go on believing that. You are funnier
by far than the truth. :lol:
Hey grumbler the Big 10 has enraged those Big Red fuckers into insensible froth over canceling their Chattanooga game. Good work.
Quote from: Valmy on October 29, 2020, 11:06:02 PM
Hey grumbler the Big 10 has enraged those Big Red fuckers into insensible froth over canceling their Chattanooga game. Good work.
The big "N" on the helmet stands for knowledge.
Quote from: grumbler on October 29, 2020, 10:16:28 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on October 29, 2020, 08:25:21 AM
The new information being that the parents of players, the players themselves, and the coaches were furious, and there was political pressure, and public pressure, and things seemed to be going okay in other conferences?
They caved in to the pressure. But good for them to back off a dumb decision.
No, that's not at all what happened, but do go on believing that. You are funnier by far than the truth. :lol:
Right, so what happened was all that pressure came down on the conference, but the conference leadership is so morally strong they stayed true to their original decision.
All that changed was that they figured out a way to do daily testing (with a test approved back in May) and between August and September science apparently proved that covid wasn't so dangerous after all.
Taking my son & nephew up to see TCU at WVU in a couple weeks. First opportunity we've had in 5 years. WVU is not exactly great this year but it will be a fun trip.
Had to substitute my son's friend in for my nephew, but we had a great trip to Morgantown. WVU had its best game of the year. Granted, TCU was a mediocre opponent but WVU was only favored by 2 at home. I'm still not sold on Neal Brown yet, but he coached a really good game.
Quote from: Berkut on October 28, 2020, 10:34:41 PM
I really like the idea that "starting in the middle of worst part" is somehow worse than starting even before that, and just continuing right on through.
It's Trumpian level double speak. If starting to play football right now is bad, then surely *continuing* to play football right now MUST be worse....right?
Are you now going to come back and admit you are wrong? You are possibly going to have an undefeated PAC 12 team with no shot at the playoff because they didn't want to play games while shit was better than it is now. Right now there are 3 undefeated teams and even if no more games are canceled, none are scheduled to play more than 5 games (because of the late start and cancelations).
Ohio State is scrambling to get games in because despite being undefeated it has only played 4 games and probably needs to get to 6 to get into the Big 10 championship.
Meanwhile, among all the FBS schools, however "irresponsible" they have been--playing football, not playing football--there hasn't been a single covid death among players or coaches.
Quote from: alfred russel on December 03, 2020, 04:11:38 PM
Quote from: Berkut on October 28, 2020, 10:34:41 PM
I really like the idea that "starting in the middle of worst part" is somehow worse than starting even before that, and just continuing right on through.
It's Trumpian level double speak. If starting to play football right now is bad, then surely *continuing* to play football right now MUST be worse....right?
Are you now going to come back and admit you are wrong? You are possibly going to have an undefeated PAC 12 team with no shot at the playoff because they didn't want to play games while shit was better than it is now. Right now there are 3 undefeated teams and even if no more games are canceled, none are scheduled to play more than 5 games (because of the late start and cancelations).
Ohio State is scrambling to get games in because despite being undefeated it has only played 4 games and probably needs to get to 6 to get into the Big 10 championship.
Meanwhile, among all the FBS schools, however "irresponsible" they have been--playing football, not playing football--there hasn't been a single covid death among players or coaches.
No, I am going to come back and note that I was right - schools being cautious and careful, cancelling games when needed, and not just playing so they can have a shot at some title has, so far, worked - and thank goodness there have not been any deaths from Covid. There have been plenty of cases, of course.
I really could not care less if a Pac-12 team, undefeated or not, has a shot at some playoff that won't mean shit this year because, you know, it wasn't a normal year. There are more important things to worry about.
In other news...after Arizona lost 70-7 to ASU in the Territorial Cup (and yes, ASU had not yet won a game this year as well), the Sumlin Era is over at Arizona.
It's been a really astoundingly bad decade to be a Wildcat fan. One shitty, run down, washed up coach after another.
Discrimination against a Mormon, at Utah State? :hmm:
Seems more likely it was a "who knows what this island **** really believes" kind of comment.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30499320/utah-state-players-vote-sit-game-alleged-remarks-noelle-crockett
QuoteUtah State has canceled Saturday night's scheduled game at Colorado State because of concerns voiced by football players about religious discrimination in the search for a new football coach, the university said in a statement Friday.
The decision came after Aggies players said earlier Friday that they had opted out of the game because of comments allegedly made by Utah State president Noelle Cockett about interim coach Frank Maile.
The school said it would meet with players to "hear their concerns in an open dialogue so it can address them."
"I am devastated that my comments were interpreted as bias against anyone's religious background," Cockett said in a statement. "Throughout my professional career and, especially, as president of USU, I have welcomed the opportunity to meet directly and often with students about their experiences. Regardless of how difficult the conversations might be in the coming days, I remain committed to giving our students a voice."
The Mountain West Conference hasn't yet ruled the game a no-contest, saying Friday night that it would determine the official standing at a later date.
Stadium reported Friday that during a videoconference Tuesday with Cockett and Aggies athletics director John Hartwell, Utah State's football leadership council lobbied for Maile to replace former coach Gary Andersen, who was fired after the team's 0-3 start.
During that videoconference, according to the Stadium report, Cockett purportedly voiced concerns about Maile's cultural and religious background. Maile, a Utah State graduate, is Polynesian and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He is also the Aggies' co-defensive coordinator and defensive line coach.
According to Stadium, an Aggies player conducted a survey that asked players how they felt about Cockett's alleged statements. The report said that three-fourths of the Utah State players expressed concerns.
During a meeting Friday morning, the players voted unanimously to not play in the game.
In a statement provided to Stadium, Utah State's players wrote: "The Utah State football players have decided to opt out of our game against Colorado State due to ongoing inequality and prejudicial issues between the players, coaches, and the USU administration.
"On Tuesday, December 8th, the Utah State University Football Leadership Council held a zoom meeting with Noelle Cockett, President of USU, and John Hartwell, the Athletic Director. The purpose of the meeting was to have a say in the search for our new head coach. During the meeting, we voiced our support for Interim Head Coach Frank Maile. In response to our comments, their primary concern was his religious and cultural background. Players, stating their diverse faiths and backgrounds, then jumped to Coach Frank Maile's defense in treating everyone with love, equality, and fairness.
"It is not the first time issues of repeated discrimination have happened. In December 2019, our head equipment manager used a racial slur against one of our African-American teammates. After disregarding the incident, pressure resurfaced to investigate in the summer of 2020. After the investigation, the administration concluded he would continue to be employed."
Arkansas State coach Blake Anderson resigned on Thursday to become Utah State's new coach.
"We want our message to be clear that this has nothing to do with the hiring of Coach Blake Anderson, the recently-named head coach of the program," the players wrote. "We are sure he is an excellent coach; we look forward to meeting him and his staff. We are highlighting the ongoing problems of inequality and want to create a better future for the community of Logan and Utah State University."
Do you think Anderson is wondering if he has can get his Arkansas State job back?
Quote from: Berkut on December 12, 2020, 11:17:26 PM
No, I am going to come back and note that I was right - schools being cautious and careful, cancelling games when needed, and not just playing so they can have a shot at some title has, so far, worked - and thank goodness there have not been any deaths from Covid. There have been plenty of cases, of course.
The ACC, SEC, and Big 12 can say the same things as the Pac 12, and have teams in a position to win championships (well not the Big 12 because all their teams suck, but that is a non-covid related problem).
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I really could not care less if a Pac-12 team, undefeated or not, has a shot at some playoff that won't mean shit this year because, you know, it wasn't a normal year.
Why won't it mean shit this year? I spent the weekend in upstate south carolina hearing people talking about how a title would mean even more this year, because the teams had so much to overcome off the field. In the end, a title will go in the record books, and the players will get rings. Kind of shitty some teams went through all the prep and practicing to get ready for the season but their administrations wouldn't let them play enough games to get into a championship, and their fan base has people like Berkut that "could not care less".
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There are more important things to worry about.
We should focus on what really matters. Avoiding close contact with others (and trying to stop others from choosing to otherwise) so we can all continue trudging toward our previously scheduled deaths likely in our late 70s.
So, I had a pretty high opinion overall of Corey booker, until he proposed a new law governing college athletics. College athletics does have some major problem, regarding both the treatment of athletes and the NCAA's refusal to even seriously investigate cheating. But Booker proposes to blow up college athletics completely.
There are some decent elements of the plan, like providing medical coverage for sports-related injuries for up to five years from graduation, and guaranteeing a degree for those who leave early for the pros, but there are two proposals that would destroy college athletics:
First, it would replace the NCAA with a federal-government-run governing board of none members, appointed by the POTUS. This board, and its supporting bureaucracy, would run all intercollegiate athletics and enforce the rules. One can imagine how much politics would fuck that up. I don't even.
Second, it would direct that the "profits" from revenue sports (defined as any sport where a school's income exceeded the cost of scholarships) be divided equally between the schools and the players, with the player share being pooled and then divided among all players in that sport within that division of the sport. For instance, half the total revenue in excess of scholarship costs for Division I football would be turned over to the government, who would then give each player their share. Back-of-the-envelope calculations show that this would be something north of $300,000 per player. Louisiana-Monroe's punter would get the same paycheck as Alabama's quarterback.
Booker is seemingly oblivious to the fact that this would terminate every non-revenue sport in intercollegiate athletics, barring those needed to maintain gender balance per title IX. For the sake of grossly over-compensating a few thousand athletes, several tens of thousands of positions allowing students to attend college will be eliminated. It's a travesty.
Further, Booker's scheme will make revenue-sports athletes employees. At that point, we are going to see lawsuits for restraint of trade if schools ty to require their athletes to be students as well (since attending college isn't related to the job of playing professional sports). What university or college even has the remit to run professional sports teams? They are going to have to spin them off if the athletes become professional as the Booker bill suggests. Oh, and if being accepted to, and attendance at, universities is a requirement that works to the disadvantage of any protected groups, requiring professional athletes to be students is also a violation of EEOC rules.
This is a terrible idea all around. If the excess money generate by revenue sports is so horrible from a moral sense, then the rules should be changed to allow schools to offer full scholarships to the non-revenue athletes, rather than professionalizing the revenue sports. It's ridiculous that the 28 members of a softball team have to split 12 scholarships.
Yeah I think that if the players end up being paid they need to be some kind of loosely sponsored minor league professional club where maybe employees can get access to take university classes if they want but their main job is to play football or basketball or whatever. At least that is what it seems to me.
Pac 12 man....disgraceful. You have a "conference champion" that went 3-2 in the regular season and finished 2nd in their division.
The conference and fans like Berkut don't seem to care about this season, so if they don't care about the integrity of competition in their conference I guess that is their business.
But Army is 9-2 and was supposed to play a Pac-12 team in the Independence Bowl, but all the potential Pac-12 opponents have opted out. So the bowl is being canceled.
https://www.al.com/sports/2020/12/army-snubbed-by-bowl-games-despite-9-2-record.html
Quote"We had guys in tears," Army coach Jeff Monken said in an interview with ESPN. "We pulled off the biggest wins of these seniors' career, they just won the Commander-in-Chief's Trophy back, that's going to be their legacy, and they're looking forward to playing in a bowl game one time together, before they go off in the United States Army, and we're sitting here telling them, 'Sorry, guys, you can't play.'
"You can talk about a playoff system and people bitching about they're not a top-four team, 'Oh, we should be in.' All we want is a bowl game. All we want is a chance to play."
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/army-determined-to-play-in-bowl-game-despite-being-left-out-at-9-2-amid-independence-bowl-cancellation/
Army is willing to play anyone with 2 days notice:
QuoteMonken also noted that his team will be ready to fill in for any team that falls out for COVID-19 issues should a bowl call him. He said they could be ready in two days.
"If we got a Dec. 31 bowl game, if you call us on the 29th, we'll have those guys flying there on the 30th," Monken said. "What I'm hoping is some of these bowl games, when they hear enough of this about Army, they're going to say, 'You know what? If somebody cancels, we're going to take Army. We're going to be the knight in shining armor and we're going to look like a hero taking this team.'"
In order to keep a chance to fill in for another team that cancels, the team is staying at West Point over Christmas so they can keep isolated for Covid--meaning they are giving up going home for Christmas.
It turns out some people give a shit, even if Berkut and the Pac 12 don't.
That sucks for Army, a great season that might not even be rewarded by a Bowl Bid.
Maybe they and Texas A&M and Indiana and Cincinnati can make a playoff for screwed over teams.
San Jose State has the best year for the Spartans ever, they go undefeated and win the MWC by beating Boise State handily in the championship game.
Their reward - the Arizona Bowl? Well, at least they got the championship.
Texas underachieved and embarrassed itself all year in a comedy of errors and incompetence and gets a return trip to exotic San Antonio to play their tormentors from Boulder. At least Texas got a typical football season while the rest of the country went through crazytown.
Quote from: PDH on December 21, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
San Jose State has the best year for the Spartans ever, they go undefeated and win the MWC by beating Boise State handily in the championship game.
Their reward - the Arizona Bowl? Well, at least they got the championship.
Well, their coach is considered to be one of the targets for the Arizona job, so there is some nice synergy there I am sure they all appreciate it!
Quote from: Berkut on December 22, 2020, 01:50:47 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 21, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
San Jose State has the best year for the Spartans ever, they go undefeated and win the MWC by beating Boise State handily in the championship game.
Their reward - the Arizona Bowl? Well, at least they got the championship.
Well, their coach is considered to be one of the targets for the Arizona job, so there is some nice synergy there I am sure they all appreciate it!
Turning around SJSU for this year likely burned all his mojo, the mojo of his descendants, and any mojo from the 12 regular fans of San Jose State Football. He will bring in a new regime to Arizona and fall flat.
Quote from: PDH on December 22, 2020, 11:51:00 AM
Quote from: Berkut on December 22, 2020, 01:50:47 AM
Quote from: PDH on December 21, 2020, 03:53:32 PM
San Jose State has the best year for the Spartans ever, they go undefeated and win the MWC by beating Boise State handily in the championship game.
Their reward - the Arizona Bowl? Well, at least they got the championship.
Well, their coach is considered to be one of the targets for the Arizona job, so there is some nice synergy there I am sure they all appreciate it!
Turning around SJSU for this year likely burned all his mojo, the mojo of his descendants, and any mojo from the 12 regular fans of San Jose State Football. He will bring in a new regime to Arizona and fall flat.
Well, his name is not "Dick Tomey" so history would suggest that you are correct, but that is pretty much regardless of who he is....
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31599673/bo-schembechler-son-says-father-knew-michigan-doctor-abuse
So...um...not even sure what to say.
Quote from: Valmy on June 10, 2021, 04:35:15 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/31599673/bo-schembechler-son-says-father-knew-michigan-doctor-abuse
So...um...not even sure what to say.
There's no question in my mind that Anderson was a sexual predator and that Bo was one of the people who suspected/knew (or should have suspected/known) that he was, and Bo had the power to do something about it. The statue needs to come down and Schembechler Hall renamed. There's too much smoke for there not to be a fire.
However, Matt Schembechler shouldn't be trusted too far as to the details. He's made claims that even his mother said she knew from personal experience were false. I do not, for instance, believe his story about going to Don Canham with his mother. Millie Schembechler would never have stayed silent if she believed that her son was sexually abused and Don Canham didn't do anything about it. She was a very forceful person.
Even if Schembechler believed that Anderson's actions were conceivably conventional medical practices, the number of complaints should have led him to have the Medical School (Anderson worked for the Medical School, not the Athletic Department; they didn't want their doctors to get too cozy with coaches and thus be susceptible to pressures to back off on a sports medical condition) investigate. He doesn't have to be a Bad Man to be a man whose name comes off the building.