I found, in looking up some info on the moon landings to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the event, some interesting stats on people who believe the landing was faked:
25% of Britons don't believe men walked on the mon, according to http://kn.theiet.org/news/jul09/moon-landing-survey.cfm
40% of Swedes think it was a scam, according to Aftonbladet http://wwwc.aftonbladet.se/vss/special/storfragan/visa/0,1937,41250,00.html (seems to be a self-identified survey rather than random, so probably crap)
Only 51% of Russians believe that the US landed men on the moon (http://bd.fom.ru/report/cat/sci_sci/kosmos/of001605)
In the US, the figure was about 10% ten years ago, IIRC.
Kinda curious how this is viewed in "your" country, and even more curious if there is anyone on Languish besides Siege who thinks the landing(s) were faked.
Buzz Aldrin needs to kick some more ass.
I don't believe in moon landings.
Anti-Americanism and believing that the moon landings are a hoax track fairly closely, I would imagine.
It must be rather galling to admit that the greatest thing that our species will ever do has been done by Americans.
Don't want to come off as Timish and I know it's been posted a thousand times before but here is the great footage of Aldrin punching out a guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaUqaVj51w4
I never get tired of that.
I hadn't seen that!
"you're a coward, a liar, and a ... :face: ... thief!"
I knew a guy in college who believed it was a hoax. He was also in to a bunch of other conspiracy theories, aliens, big foots, Jews, black helicopters, super advanced lost civilizations, etc. I'd bet he's a 911 truther these days or possible one of those guys who believes that Lizard People secretly rule the world.
The moon itself didn't exist before 1921.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 20, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
The moon itself didn't exist before 1921.
Thus proving that if the moon did not exist then it would be necessary to invent it.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 20, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
The moon itself didn't exist before 1921.
Umm, I think historical record verifies that the moon did in fact exist before 1921 (see: Salomé of 1891, Wilde). :yeahright:
Quote from: Razgovory on July 20, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
Don't want to come off as Timish and I know it's been posted a thousand times before but here is the great footage of Aldrin punching out a guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaUqaVj51w4
I never get tired of that.
:lmfao:
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 20, 2009, 04:49:26 PM
I knew a guy in college who believed it was a hoax. He was also in to a bunch of other conspiracy theories, aliens, big foots, Jews, black helicopters, super advanced lost civilizations, etc. I'd bet he's a 911 truther these days or possible one of those guys who believes that Lizard People secretly rule the world.
I was at my sister-in-law's wedding last weekend. One of my wife's cousins came up to me at dinner and started talking non-stop about how a secret conspiracy of billionaires was behind 9/11. Later that night, I busted out the old Churchill quote about how a fanatic is someone who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
I see They got to you too. :(
Quote from: garbon on July 20, 2009, 05:01:27 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 20, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
The moon itself didn't exist before 1921.
Umm, I think historical record verifies that the moon did in fact exist before 1921 (see: Salomé of 1891, Wilde). :yeahright:
I don't believe in moon hoaxers. They're all actors paid by the government.
Its a well known fact that while most conspiracy theories are true the Illuminati hire actors to portray crazy conspiracy theorists to make it difficult to believe in them.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 20, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
Don't want to come off as Timish and I know it's been posted a thousand times before but here is the great footage of Aldrin punching out a guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaUqaVj51w4
I never get tired of that.
Never fuck with the Apollo program.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
Only 51% of Russians believe that the US landed men on the moon (http://bd.fom.ru/report/cat/sci_sci/kosmos/of001605)
Quite frankly, I thought that number would be much, much lower for our cossack friends.
I prefer the Alien told Nixon to stay home or be destroyed conspiracy.
I'm surprised there are enough literate Russians to have taken any poll.
Since you can see the the Moon Landers with a decent telescope from earth I can't really understand how this hoax persists.
Quote from: Viking on July 20, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Since you can see the the Moon Landers with a decent telescope from earth I can't really understand how this hoax persists.
I thought it was very difficult but you can see the shadows sometimes at the right time of day? ... orbiters and other solar system voyagers can do flybys and take shots though.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 20, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
I prefer the Alien told Nixon to stay home or be destroyed conspiracy.
What is best about that theory is that Nixon somehow negotiated to get 6 more missions! :lol:
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 20, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
I prefer the Alien told Nixon to stay home or be destroyed conspiracy.
What is best about that theory is that Nixon somehow negotiated to get 6 more missions! :lol:
Nixon's foreign policy is not to be underestimated.
Quote from: Viking on July 20, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Since you can see the the Moon Landers with a decent telescope from earth I can't really understand how this hoax persists.
Really? You have seen it?
Most of the self-proclaimed scientists I have seen writing on the subject say that atmospheric distortion does not allow earth-based telescopes, no matter how large, to see objects that small.
Maybe those scientists are misinformed, though.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 20, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
I thought it was very difficult but you can see the shadows sometimes at the right time of day? ... orbiters and other solar system voyagers can do flybys and take shots though.
I think the space-based telescopes are a bit too busy to debunk conspiracy theorists. Even if they weren't, the nuts would cl;aim that such pictures were part of the conspiracy, too (just as the Soviets are).
Quote from: saskganesh on July 20, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 20, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Since you can see the the Moon Landers with a decent telescope from earth I can't really understand how this hoax persists.
I thought it was very difficult but you can see the shadows sometimes at the right time of day? ... orbiters and other solar system voyagers can do flybys and take shots though.
Sigh. If you believe that those 'voyagers' actually did anything beyond look pretty in mockups you are probably also the same kind of sad sack that believes AIDS wasn't developed by the CIA.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 07:06:48 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 20, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
I thought it was very difficult but you can see the shadows sometimes at the right time of day? ... orbiters and other solar system voyagers can do flybys and take shots though.
I think the space-based telescopes are a bit too busy to debunk conspiracy theorists. Even if they weren't, the nuts would cl;aim that such pictures were part of the conspiracy, too (just as the Soviets are).
True. I don't think Hamilcar is going to give up telescope time so that a bunch of imbeciles can claim that he's part of a grand conspiracy.
Conspiracy theorists are on a level of idiocy with creationists.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 20, 2009, 06:19:15 PM
I prefer the Alien told Nixon to stay home or be destroyed conspiracy.
What is best about that theory is that Nixon somehow negotiated to get 6 more missions! :lol:
Really it's nothing to brag about. His claims of withdrawing from Space with honor were pretty hollow.
Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
Anti-Americanism and believing that the moon landings are a hoax track fairly closely, I would imagine.
It must be rather galling to admit that the greatest thing that our species will ever do has been done by Americans.
I wonder what they think about the airplane or the lightbulb.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 20, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 20, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Since you can see the the Moon Landers with a decent telescope from earth I can't really understand how this hoax persists.
I thought it was very difficult but you can see the shadows sometimes at the right time of day? ... orbiters and other solar system voyagers can do flybys and take shots though.
You can't with any home telescope, for sure. Not only do you not get enough magnification, but the moon is pretty damn bright.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
Kinda curious how this is viewed in "your" country, and even more curious if there is anyone on Languish besides Siege who thinks the landing(s) were faked.
Maybe you should start a poll.
Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2009, 03:00:42 PM
Anti-Americanism and believing that the moon landings are a hoax track fairly closely, I would imagine.
That's why I never talk about it outside Languish. The enemy does not need more ammo to use against us.
The liberals would never understand that it was the right thing to do at the moment. The USSR was a real and present danger.
I'm asking my buddy's Brit/Indian/Muslim in-laws about this the next time they're in. Dang, I can't wait :D
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 20, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
The moon itself didn't exist before 1921.
Maybe somebody opened up the galaxy editor and add it up.
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:36:56 PM
Maybe you should start a poll.
Polls on Languish are for amusement, not information. I highly suspect that I am not the only one who responds to them based on my hopes for the effect of the response.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on July 20, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 02:53:18 PM
Only 51% of Russians believe that the US landed men on the moon (http://bd.fom.ru/report/cat/sci_sci/kosmos/of001605 (http://bd.fom.ru/report/cat/sci_sci/kosmos/of001605))
Quite frankly, I thought that number would be much, much lower for our cossack friends.
On the contrary. If the landings were faked, then the KBG was owned, badly, by the CIA.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 10:42:26 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:36:56 PM
Maybe you should start a poll.
Polls on Languish are for amusement, not information. I highly suspect that I am not the only one who responds to them based on my hopes for the effect of the response.
That's low and against all our Languish Values.
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:43:43 PM
On the contrary. If the landings were faked, then the KBG was owned, badly, by the CIA.
It wouldn't have had anything to do with the CIA and KGB.
Quote from: grumbler on July 20, 2009, 10:48:17 PM
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:43:43 PM
On the contrary. If the landings were faked, then the KBG was owned, badly, by the CIA.
It wouldn't have had anything to do with the CIA and KGB.
Of course it did. It was the Cold War, remember? Teh End Of The Wold, Nukelear Winter, I-see-BMs, etc?
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:50:36 PM
Of course it did. It was the Cold War, remember? Teh End Of The Wold, Nukelear Winter, I-see-BMs, etc?
Yes, I do remember, and not everything was like in the Clancy novels. KGB and CIA were not involved in the moon landings. There were separate space agencies that did that sort of thing.
More footage:
Earth at a distance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw&feature=related)
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:54:27 PM
More footage:
Earth at a distance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw&feature=related)
TLDW.
TLDW?
Too Low Definition Widescreen?
Antiamericanism? Naaaahhh... I would rather expect to find a correlation between believing in the 'Moon Hoax', not believing in Evolution, and believing in angels and demons, the Rapture and such crap. In other words, it's impossible to go to the Moon because the rocket would crash against Heaven and Saint Peter would get royally pissed!
I would like to say that in Spain no one believes in the hoax, but that would be going too far. After all my friends usually have some formal education, and it's not as if I routinely discussed the Apollo program and the development of Saturn V rockets with taxi drivers, plumbers, farmers and church goers...
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 20, 2009, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 20, 2009, 07:02:29 PM
Quote from: Viking on July 20, 2009, 06:29:12 PM
Since you can see the the Moon Landers with a decent telescope from earth I can't really understand how this hoax persists.
I thought it was very difficult but you can see the shadows sometimes at the right time of day? ... orbiters and other solar system voyagers can do flybys and take shots though.
Sigh. If you believe that those 'voyagers' actually did anything beyond look pretty in mockups you are probably also the same kind of sad sack that believes AIDS wasn't developed by the CIA.
the CIA is not that good.
AIDS came by eating monkey meat. semi-cannibalism. and it spread through bad sex.
we can blame the full moon or bad cheese.
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:54:27 PM
More footage:
Earth at a distance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vrge-8F6rw&feature=related)
theres no thundergawd in that video. JHWH still has no skin on his penis.
Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
Conspiracy theorists are on a level of idiocy with creationists.
For once Neil and me are in 100% agreement.
There's lots of stuff I don't GET per se, but why some people persist in saying man never landed on the moon really is beyond my level of comprehension.
That's like saying Holocaust never happened, IMO.
Quote from: Norgy on July 21, 2009, 01:35:04 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
Conspiracy theorists are on a level of idiocy with creationists.
For once Neil and me are in 100% agreement.
There's lots of stuff I don't GET per se, but why some people persist in saying man never landed on the moon really is beyond my level of comprehension.
That's like saying Holocaust never happened, IMO.
Weak rethoric.
Yuri Gagarin - The 1st Man in Space - Right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsgGr-vuyk4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsgGr-vuyk4)
The whole space is a hoax.
A hoax, of course. Michael Jackson learned the moon walk, probably he can be seen as a kid in the background of the set used to film the moon landings. :P
But really, a hoax? Believed by so many? How many thousands of people would be needed to keep quiet to pull of such a hoax? Hundreds or more of NASA scientists, workers, government officials, the astronauts, workers and technicians who set up the hoax, and more. Just not doable, nor worth the possible failure to fake it. Probably be easier to just go to the moon. And anyway, it's not like it's so hard, so beyond technology, to land on the moon!
Quote from: KRonn on July 21, 2009, 08:04:49 AM
A hoax, of course. Michael Jackson learned the moon walk, probably he can be seen as a kid in the background of the set used to film the moon landings. :P
But really, a hoax? Believed by so many? How many thousands of people would be needed to keep quiet to pull of such a hoax? Hundreds or more of NASA scientists, workers, government officials, the astronauts, workers and technicians who set up the hoax, and more. Just not doable, nor worth the possible failure to fake it. Probably be easier to just go to the moon. And anyway, it's not like it's so hard, so beyond technology, to land on the moon!
Per an NPR story yesterday, almost 400,000 people worked at some point on some aspect of the Apollo program.
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:41:40 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 20, 2009, 04:51:04 PM
The moon itself didn't exist before 1921.
Maybe somebody opened up the galaxy editor and add it up.
That would be my first guess.
QuoteNASA space Scientists confirmed that, their research revealed that the moon was splittered into two.
In what sense is the moon splittered into two? :huh:
Quote from: Valmy on July 21, 2009, 08:23:32 AM
QuoteNASA space Scientists confirmed that, their research revealed that the moon was splittered into two.
In what sense is the moon splittered into two? :huh:
He (PBUH) is talking about the human moon, moron.
Quote from: vonmoltke on July 21, 2009, 08:12:46 AM
Quote from: KRonn on July 21, 2009, 08:04:49 AM
A hoax, of course. Michael Jackson learned the moon walk, probably he can be seen as a kid in the background of the set used to film the moon landings. :P
But really, a hoax? Believed by so many? How many thousands of people would be needed to keep quiet to pull of such a hoax? Hundreds or more of NASA scientists, workers, government officials, the astronauts, workers and technicians who set up the hoax, and more. Just not doable, nor worth the possible failure to fake it. Probably be easier to just go to the moon. And anyway, it's not like it's so hard, so beyond technology, to land on the moon!
Per an NPR story yesterday, almost 400,000 people worked at some point on some aspect of the Apollo program.
not to mention the people every other space program (Russia, Japan and so on ) who have independently verified the missions.
2008 Japanese lunar probe (a big picture):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Apollo_15_with_lunar_rover.jpg
I don't know which is worse, Truthers, Birthers or Mooners.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: vonmoltke on July 21, 2009, 08:12:46 AM
Quote from: KRonn on July 21, 2009, 08:04:49 AM
A hoax, of course. Michael Jackson learned the moon walk, probably he can be seen as a kid in the background of the set used to film the moon landings. :P
But really, a hoax? Believed by so many? How many thousands of people would be needed to keep quiet to pull of such a hoax? Hundreds or more of NASA scientists, workers, government officials, the astronauts, workers and technicians who set up the hoax, and more. Just not doable, nor worth the possible failure to fake it. Probably be easier to just go to the moon. And anyway, it's not like it's so hard, so beyond technology, to land on the moon!
Per an NPR story yesterday, almost 400,000 people worked at some point on some aspect of the Apollo program.
not to mention the people every other space program (Russia, Japan and so on ) who have independently verified the missions.
2008 Japanese lunar probe (a big picture):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Apollo_15_with_lunar_rover.jpg
Yep. So how come so very many people are so amazingly dumb over this? I could understand a small percentage of people, the clinically cynical or such, but not such large numbers. Maybe the dumbing down of society is more widespread than it's feared to be. :unsure:
Quote from: KRonn on July 21, 2009, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 AM
Quote from: vonmoltke on July 21, 2009, 08:12:46 AM
Quote from: KRonn on July 21, 2009, 08:04:49 AM
A hoax, of course. Michael Jackson learned the moon walk, probably he can be seen as a kid in the background of the set used to film the moon landings. :P
But really, a hoax? Believed by so many? How many thousands of people would be needed to keep quiet to pull of such a hoax? Hundreds or more of NASA scientists, workers, government officials, the astronauts, workers and technicians who set up the hoax, and more. Just not doable, nor worth the possible failure to fake it. Probably be easier to just go to the moon. And anyway, it's not like it's so hard, so beyond technology, to land on the moon!
Per an NPR story yesterday, almost 400,000 people worked at some point on some aspect of the Apollo program.
not to mention the people every other space program (Russia, Japan and so on ) who have independently verified the missions.
2008 Japanese lunar probe (a big picture):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Apollo_15_with_lunar_rover.jpg
Yep. So how come so very many people are so amazingly dumb over this? I could understand a small percentage of people, the clinically cynical or such, but not such large numbers. Maybe the dumbing down of society is more widespread than it's feared to be. :unsure:
Not sure that you can truly say that society's been dumbed down. A lot of it never smarted up in the first place.
Quote from: Siege on July 21, 2009, 01:37:55 AM
Quote from: Norgy on July 21, 2009, 01:35:04 AM
Quote from: Neil on July 20, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
Conspiracy theorists are on a level of idiocy with creationists.
For once Neil and me are in 100% agreement.
There's lots of stuff I don't GET per se, but why some people persist in saying man never landed on the moon really is beyond my level of comprehension.
That's like saying Holocaust never happened, IMO.
Weak rethoric.
Yeah, you should be arguing rethorics with, you know, humans.
Because arguing really is your big fat strength, Jewboy Slim
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 AM
not to mention the people every other space program (Russia, Japan and so on ) who have independently verified the missions.
2008 Japanese lunar probe (a big picture):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Apollo_15_with_lunar_rover.jpg
This picture is a picture of the Apollo 15 rover, not the "2008 Japanese lunar probe" (and if this was meant to be Selene, that was 2007, not 2008. I don't think the Japanese had a 2008 mission).
Quote from: Siege on July 20, 2009, 10:50:36 PMI-see-BMs, etc?
That's really more of a german thing you know.
Quote from: grumbler on July 21, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 AM
not to mention the people every other space program (Russia, Japan and so on ) who have independently verified the missions.
2008 Japanese lunar probe (a big picture):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Apollo_15_with_lunar_rover.jpg
This picture is a picture of the Apollo 15 rover, not the "2008 Japanese lunar probe" (and if this was meant to be Selene, that was 2007, not 2008. I don't think the Japanese had a 2008 mission).
yes. thats a picture of Apollo 15 as the image file name clearly suggests. it is a picture taken by the japanese lunar probe Selene, which was launched in 2007, orbited the moon through 2008, and was crashed on the surface in 2009.
I posted that picture as an example of independent verification.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 04:00:37 PM
Quote from: grumbler on July 21, 2009, 03:37:09 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 09:45:05 AM
not to mention the people every other space program (Russia, Japan and so on ) who have independently verified the missions.
2008 Japanese lunar probe (a big picture):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Apollo_15_with_lunar_rover.jpg
This picture is a picture of the Apollo 15 rover, not the "2008 Japanese lunar probe" (and if this was meant to be Selene, that was 2007, not 2008. I don't think the Japanese had a 2008 mission).
yes. thats a picture of Apollo 15 as the image file name clearly suggests. it is a picture taken by the japanese lunar probe Selene, which was launched in 2007, orbited the moon through 2008, and was crashed on the surface in 2009.
I posted that picture as an example of independent verification.
I'm a bit confused. The pic appears to have a guy in a spacesuit in it.
There is an astronaut in the picture.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 21, 2009, 04:00:37 PM
yes. thats a picture of Apollo 15 as the image file name clearly suggests. it is a picture taken by the japanese lunar probe Selene, which was launched in 2007, orbited the moon through 2008, and was crashed on the surface in 2009.
I posted that picture as an example of independent verification.
I am pretty sure that is a contemporary picture. And a composite, at that.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.airspacemag.com%2Fimages%2Fkaguya-Ap15-3.jpg&hash=6e4664e1d6baffc2af8d4cde56f3876af39a3ae8)
Here is an actual Selene picture of the Apollo 15 site, showing the white dust thrown up by the lander when it came down. Even NASA doesn't show the picture you claim is from Selene in their "finding Apollo" site.
Quote from: KRonn on July 21, 2009, 11:06:20 AM
Yep. So how come so very many people are so amazingly dumb over this? I could understand a small percentage of people, the clinically cynical or such, but not such large numbers. Maybe the dumbing down of society is more widespread than it's feared to be. :unsure:
Maybe not why but when. I suspect if you asked how many people think Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK you'd get a pretty low number, it's probably the same for Bobby and Martin Luther King. Maybe conspiracies are like religion and the old ones are the best. I think a lot of it could be down to TV programmes that tell the TRUTH about moon/JFK and while they debunk everything they spend about 2 minutes debunking and 15 minutes setting up each individual reason why it didn't happen the way people think.
What I find odd is that people who are truthers tend to be very X-files in their general view of the world. Everything is a conspiracy. Whereas otherwise normal people can doubt the moon-landings or JFK's assasination while not actually thinking that there is necessarily a giant conspiracy behind it all. I think they've got more to do with Jacko conspiracy theorists than the truthers.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 21, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
What I find odd is that people who are truthers tend to be very X-files in their general view of the world. Everything is a conspiracy. Whereas otherwise normal people can doubt the moon-landings or JFK's assasination while not actually thinking that there is necessarily a giant conspiracy behind it all. I think they've got more to do with Jacko conspiracy theorists than the truthers.
You are wrong. The few people I know in real life that don't believe in the landings don't believe any other conspiracy.
I myself am a good example of this. I am a perfectly rational and normal person. I definitively don't believe in conspiracies wholesale, and I am convinced that the moon landings were a very succesful CIA operation.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
You are wrong. The few people I know in real life that don't believe in the landings don't believe any other conspiracy.
That's what I said :mellow:
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 21, 2009, 06:02:53 PM
What I find odd is that people who are truthers tend to be very X-files in their general view of the world. Everything is a conspiracy. Whereas otherwise normal people can doubt the moon-landings or JFK's assasination while not actually thinking that there is necessarily a giant conspiracy behind it all. I think they've got more to do with Jacko conspiracy theorists than the truthers.
You are wrong. The few people I know in real life that don't believe in the landings don't believe any other conspiracy.
I myself am a good example of this. I am a perfectly rational and normal person. I definitively don't believe in conspiracies wholesale, and I am convinced that the moon landings were a very succesful CIA operation.
I believe it was an NSA op using the CIA as cover.
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 23, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
You are wrong. The few people I know in real life that don't believe in the landings don't believe any other conspiracy.
That's what I said :mellow:
No is not.
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 23, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
I believe it was an NSA op using the CIA as cover.
I am pretty sure it was the EPA.
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
I am a perfectly rational and normal person.
:huh:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpunditkitchen.files.wordpress.com%2F2009%2F07%2Fpolitical-pictures-nasa-rocket-moron-show.jpg&hash=7ccdcd6f651b9778147602452fb88b1b1f31a0c7)
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
You are wrong. The few people I know in real life that don't believe in the landings don't believe any other conspiracy.
I myself am a good example of this. I am a perfectly rational and normal person. I definitively don't believe in conspiracies wholesale, and I am convinced that the moon landings were a very succesful CIA operation.
You're not normal or rational. You're an Arab.
Quote from: Valmy on July 23, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
Quote from: Darth Wagtaros on July 23, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
I believe it was an NSA op using the CIA as cover.
I am pretty sure it was the EPA.
The EPA is responsible for subliminal messages in TV ads telling us to consume and pollute so that the EPA will exist to clean it up.
So.... how do we know that the 40th anniversary isn't also a hoax? :unsure:
And when in 2040 or whatever we have a lunar base people will say "dude the americans planted it in 2039, just for sightseeing"
Quote from: Sheilbh on July 23, 2009, 11:52:03 AM
Quote from: Siege on July 23, 2009, 11:50:17 AM
You are wrong. The few people I know in real life that don't believe in the landings don't believe any other conspiracy.
That's what I said :mellow:
e's-Hay ot-nay oo-tay ight-bray.
Is that an Ad Hom or an observation?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2009, 11:15:50 PM
Is that an Ad Hom or an observation?
Find out what an
ad hom is, and then you will have your answer.
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Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2009, 11:15:50 PM
Is that an Ad Hom or an observation?
Find out what an ad hom is, and then you will have your answer.
Gay marketing executive?
Quote from: HVC on July 24, 2009, 06:28:07 AM
Quote from: grumbler on July 24, 2009, 06:25:21 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 23, 2009, 11:15:50 PM
Is that an Ad Hom or an observation?
Find out what an ad hom is, and then you will have your answer.
Gay marketing executive?
I like it! :thumbsup: