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Title: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Syt on May 22, 2020, 11:55:46 PM
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The original article:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Vk4EAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PP1&pg=PA98&redir_esc=y#v=twopage&q&f=false

I fear I'm in the lower segments with some aspirations upward. :(
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 23, 2020, 12:45:22 AM
"The thing that burns up high-brows like me is that the dominant feature of our mental and spiritual life is the overwhelming flood of sewage that is manufactured especially for the tastes of the low-brows and lower middle-brows".  :lol:
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Syt on May 23, 2020, 12:51:57 AM
Quote from: Oexmelin on May 23, 2020, 12:45:22 AM
"The thing that burns up high-brows like me is that the dominant feature of our mental and spiritual life is the overwhelming flood of sewage that is manufactured especially for the tastes of the low-brows and lower middle-brows".  :lol:

Plus ça change ... :P
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 23, 2020, 01:09:56 AM
He would be really disgusted with modern times.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Josquius on May 23, 2020, 03:25:23 AM
What is this "The Game" :hmm:
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Eddie Teach on May 23, 2020, 03:30:46 AM
Looks like charades.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: celedhring on May 23, 2020, 03:41:42 AM
I love that he included sculpture as an "every day taste"
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: The Larch on May 23, 2020, 06:11:57 AM
Quote from: celedhring on May 23, 2020, 03:41:42 AM
I love that he included sculpture as an "every day taste"

And front yard sculpture as a possible option.  :lol:
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Josquius on May 23, 2020, 07:07:16 AM
I think there they're going less for normal people and more for new money. Who can indeed be rather gauche.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: The Brain on May 23, 2020, 08:19:46 AM
Quote from: Tyr on May 23, 2020, 03:25:23 AM
What is this "The Game" :hmm:

Are we looking at the same picture? Can't you see he's getting chicks like a mf?
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on May 23, 2020, 08:30:50 AM
I donate to Planned Parenthood. Does that make me Upper-Middle Brow? :)
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: PDH on May 23, 2020, 09:13:28 AM
At least I'm not unibrow.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Razgovory on May 23, 2020, 10:18:18 AM
I don't have different outfits town and country.  Also, which of these outfits do people go to work in?
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Sheilbh on May 23, 2020, 11:00:23 AM
"Bach and before, Ives and after" is tremendous.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: The Brain on May 23, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on May 23, 2020, 10:18:18 AM
Also, which of these outfits do people go to work in?

We got a flatbrower!
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 23, 2020, 12:20:27 PM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on May 23, 2020, 03:30:46 AM
Looks like charades.

Yes, charades were called "the Game" in postwar USA, probably imported back from France.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: fromtia on May 23, 2020, 12:33:09 PM
This is a joy. "Western Movies"!
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: merithyn on May 23, 2020, 01:24:33 PM
And apparently only men can define the rank. :P
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Monoriu on May 23, 2020, 05:14:32 PM
Clothes: online
Furniture: IKEA
Useful objects: desktop computer
Entertainment: anime
Salads: potato salad
Drinks: sweet wine and apple juice
Reading: languish
Sculpture: none
Records: anime sound track
Games: Fallout, EU, Civilization, Elder Scrolls
Causes: Mono Retirement Fund
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Legbiter on May 25, 2020, 12:21:35 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on May 23, 2020, 05:14:32 PMRecords: anime sound track

(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/monocle-drop-gif-5.gif)

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 01:40:57 PM
Out of curiosity, I leafed through the whole issue. There is a case about a divorce, in 1949 - with everything you'd expect from 1949: a man who makes up stories about his wife infidelity, and beats her, and the kids up. But shock! horror! the wife's parents' house has alcohol in it. That can't possibly be a good house for the kids! So the judge digs up an old tricycle that he produces in court, and sickeningly, smugly pats himself in the back for contriving this metaphor of their failed marriage before sending them back on their merry way to work up their differences.

The day following the publication of this story in Life, the guy sets fire to the house where his wife had taken refuge.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 01:43:47 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 01:40:57 PM
The day following the publication of this story in Life, the guy sets fire to the house where his wife had taken refuge.

I'm not doubting you, but I'm very curious how you found that bit of information.  News stories from 1949 are unlikely to be on the internet.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 01:43:47 PMI'm not doubting you, but I'm very curious how you found that bit of information.  News stories from 1949 are unlikely to be on the internet.

They usually are not. But they are often in university digitized collections. The guy's name, Ballard D. Turner, was unusual enough that it was a quick search. It was in the Terre Haute Star, April 13.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: The Brain on May 25, 2020, 01:56:59 PM
Library Use - success. I hope you got a nice handout. :)
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 02:00:37 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 01:55:27 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 01:43:47 PMI'm not doubting you, but I'm very curious how you found that bit of information.  News stories from 1949 are unlikely to be on the internet.

They usually are not. But they are often in university digitized collections. The guy's name, Ballard D. Turner, was unusual enough that it was a quick search. It was in the Terre Haute Star, April 13.

Neat. :)  (I mean - not the arson, but how you could find that so easily)

Were the wife and kids inside? :(
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 02:00:37 PMWere the wife and kids inside? :(

Fortunately not.

Apparently she died three years ago. https://www.jonesfamilymortuary.com/memorials/Wiley-Gladys/2900341/obituary.php
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: PDH on May 25, 2020, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 01:55:27 PM
Ballard D. Turner

Guy with a lowbrow name like that was bound to be a wife-beating arsonist.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 04:17:20 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 03:20:43 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 02:00:37 PMWere the wife and kids inside? :(

Fortunately not.

Apparently she died three years ago. https://www.jonesfamilymortuary.com/memorials/Wiley-Gladys/2900341/obituary.php

Okay - now how the FUCK did you manage to find that?  Teach me your mad skillz.  :worthy:

The details all seem to check out - right part of the world, right age, name of Gladys, son's name is Robert Turner...  but I didn't see her maiden name anywhere in the life article, and there's no mention of the first husband (understandably so given the arson).  And all of those names are relatively common.

And of course now I want to know if Col Joe Wiley was the neighbour from two doors down she was accused of having an affair with.  Gladys did get married the following year in 1950 to him.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 25, 2020, 04:28:26 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 04:17:20 PM
Okay - now how the FUCK did you manage to find that?  Teach me your mad skillz.  :worthy:

Many years of reconstructing the details of 18th century families between three continents...  :ph34r:

(Note that two of her sons changed their names to Wiley, and one kept Turner, and the predeceased son was the one who was mentioned in the article as having died in infancy)
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: merithyn on May 26, 2020, 07:46:36 PM
Which Life article is this? I'm flipped through the magazine, but didn't see this. Is it the High-Brow/Low-Brow article?
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Oexmelin on May 26, 2020, 08:16:11 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 26, 2020, 07:46:36 PM
Which Life article is this? I'm flipped through the magazine, but didn't see this. Is it the High-Brow/Low-Brow article?

"Judge Hamill Hears a Divorce Case", p. 124
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: merithyn on May 26, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 04:17:20 PM
Okay - now how the FUCK did you manage to find that?  Teach me your mad skillz.  :worthy:

The details all seem to check out - right part of the world, right age, name of Gladys, son's name is Robert Turner...  but I didn't see her maiden name anywhere in the life article, and there's no mention of the first husband (understandably so given the arson).  And all of those names are relatively common.

And of course now I want to know if Col Joe Wiley was the neighbour from two doors down she was accused of having an affair with.  Gladys did get married the following year in 1950 to him.

The little boy said the neighbor's name was Bill. So not likely.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: Barrister on May 26, 2020, 11:15:08 PM
Quote from: merithyn on May 26, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
Quote from: Barrister on May 25, 2020, 04:17:20 PM
Okay - now how the FUCK did you manage to find that?  Teach me your mad skillz.  :worthy:

The details all seem to check out - right part of the world, right age, name of Gladys, son's name is Robert Turner...  but I didn't see her maiden name anywhere in the life article, and there's no mention of the first husband (understandably so given the arson).  And all of those names are relatively common.

And of course now I want to know if Col Joe Wiley was the neighbour from two doors down she was accused of having an affair with.  Gladys did get married the following year in 1950 to him.

The little boy said the neighbor's name was Bill. So not likely.

Thank you. :hug:

Not that it would have mattered - I don't care if your spouse has an affair, you don't try to burn down the house they live in!  Just curious.
Title: Re: Are you High Brow, or Low Brow (TIME Magazine 1949)
Post by: merithyn on May 27, 2020, 05:26:45 AM
I'll point out that the judge said that he doesn't believe the woman had an affair. The man clearly did beat her and the children though.