Poll
Question:
Risk it?
Option 1: Yay
votes: 1
Option 2: Nay
votes: 19
Option 3: Only if Jaron is invited
votes: 4
In a bit of a bind as my wedding is planned mid April. If I'm reading the contracts correctly I can still extricate myself from most of the costs, but I'll have to decide within a week from now. Thing is, we have a sizable amount of overseas visitors, who likely won't get a refund on their very significant travel expenses. And, as of now, there are no restrictions on having the wedding.
What sayeth Languish?
How badly do you want to be allowed to have sex?
Sorry mate, but this isn't going anywhere in a month.
I say go ahead and delay it. A month's warning is reasonable for your guests and everybody will understand. If you try to have it and have to cancel it closer to the date it would be far worse.
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
How badly do you want to be allowed to have sex?
I don't think I'll be disallowed right away. Right? :cry:
Quote from: Maladict on March 13, 2020, 02:42:50 PM
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 02:37:45 PM
How badly do you want to be allowed to have sex?
I don't think I'll be disallowed right away. Right? :cry:
Are you living in sin??!?
Hold it, but change it to a Masque of the Red Death theme.
Quote from: Camerus on March 13, 2020, 02:45:05 PM
Hold it, but change it to a Masque of the Red Death theme.
Alternatively, have the wedding last for weeks, and have the guests take turns telling bawdy stories.
There is a very real risk you'll have to implement a line dancing only policy.
My friend got married yesterday. Instead of having the big wedding planned next month. There were four of us - all local - at the court to sign the papers. We had a nice meal. Big party with families from afar is postponed until after crisis.
Quote from: Oexmelin on March 13, 2020, 02:48:13 PM
My friend got married yesterday. Instead of having the big wedding planned next month. There were four of us - all local - at the court to sign the papers. We had a nice meal. Big party with families from afar is postponed until after crisis.
I think that's the reasonable way to do it.
Quote from: Oexmelin on March 13, 2020, 02:48:13 PM
My friend got married yesterday. Instead of having the big wedding planned next month. There were four of us - all local - at the court to sign the papers. We had a nice meal. Big party with families from afar is postponed until after crisis.
Yeah, I'd be open to that. The in-laws might not even be able to make it here though. No parents = no wedding.
In this case, none of the parents/siblings could make it (out of the country / from the West coast). It was all friends.
If the parents must attend, then postppone. Considering that more and more countries are shutting down air travel or closing borders, it might be the smart thing to do.
Wedding in WoW? Just throwing it out there.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 13, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
There is a very real risk you'll have to implement a line dancing only policy.
:D
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
Wedding in WoW? Just throwing it out there.
Maybe if it was 10 years ago.
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
Wedding in WoW? Just throwing it out there.
Everquest
(https://www.everquest.com/images/news_images/marketplace/2009.08.26/light_30.jpg)
I think you need to pull out sooner rather than later. The situation is still rapidly developing day by day, and it looks very unlikely that a month from now would be a less extreme disruption compared to today.
Quote from: DGuller on March 13, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
I think you need to pull out sooner rather than later. The situation is still rapidly developing day by day, and it looks very unlikely that a month from now would be a less extreme disruption compared to today.
A
month? Is this some tantric shit?
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
Wedding in WoW? Just throwing it out there.
Better than wedding in GoT.
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 03:45:24 PM
Quote from: DGuller on March 13, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
I think you need to pull out sooner rather than later. The situation is still rapidly developing day by day, and it looks very unlikely that a month from now would be a less extreme disruption compared to today.
A month? Is this some tantric shit?
:lol:
Quote from: Oexmelin on March 13, 2020, 02:48:13 PM
My friend got married yesterday. Instead of having the big wedding planned next month. There were four of us - all local - at the court to sign the papers. We had a nice meal. Big party with families from afar is postponed until after crisis.
This is really good idea. Listen to Oex.
Quote from: Valmy on March 13, 2020, 03:17:34 PM
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2020, 02:57:55 PM
Wedding in WoW? Just throwing it out there.
Everquest
(https://www.everquest.com/images/news_images/marketplace/2009.08.26/light_30.jpg)
:ph34r:
Quote from: Maladict on March 13, 2020, 02:33:59 PM
In a bit of a bind as my wedding is planned mid April. If I'm reading the contracts correctly I can still extricate myself from most of the costs, but I'll have to decide within a week from now. Thing is, we have a sizable amount of overseas visitors, who likely won't get a refund on their very significant travel expenses. And, as of now, there are no restrictions on having the wedding.
What sayeth Languish?
Most airlines are giving refunds.
Postpone at least a month, probably two, if possible.
For overseas travel the only thing is to hope really. Mid April I would say is perhaps a little late, things may be getting back to normal by then, but I expect early April flights to be cancelled.
I have a trip to Jersey planned mid April and though I'm holding off on booking hotels or anything l think the trip will happen.
Reschedule for 4-5 months from now. For the sake of your parents or other elderly relatives.
Quote from: Tyr on March 13, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
For overseas travel the only thing is to hope really. Mid April I would say is perhaps a little late, things may be getting back to normal by then, but I expect early April flights to be cancelled.
I have a trip to Jersey planned mid April and though I'm holding off on booking hotels or anything l think the trip will happen.
Late April will make these days look mild.
As others said, have the ceremony done in an intimate way with minimal attendance, postpone big celebration to July.
Quote from: Razgovory on March 13, 2020, 04:02:07 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on March 13, 2020, 02:48:13 PM
My friend got married yesterday. Instead of having the big wedding planned next month. There were four of us - all local - at the court to sign the papers. We had a nice meal. Big party with families from afar is postponed until after crisis.
This is really good idea. Listen to Oex.
It is, just not acceptable to my gf if the parents can't make it and I totally understand. We'll be talking to them over the weekend.
Quote from: merithyn on March 13, 2020, 06:22:42 PM
Most airlines are giving refunds.
Postpone at least a month, probably two, if possible.
From what I've been reading those hit by Trump's travel ban are not getting a refund.
If we postpone I'll probably push for a full year. I can't risk having to postpone a second time.
I think postponing is a no-brainer.
I just got a flight cancellation and only get the option to change my booking free of charge, no refund.
Quote from: Zanza on March 14, 2020, 03:51:00 AM
I just got a flight cancellation and only get the option to change my booking free of charge, no refund.
Yeah, that's what I'm hearing. I wonder if you can book a year ahead.
By the way, they banned private gatherings of more than 50 persons here, so I guess this could happen to you too soonish.
Quote from: Tamas on March 14, 2020, 02:06:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 13, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
For overseas travel the only thing is to hope really. Mid April I would say is perhaps a little late, things may be getting back to normal by then, but I expect early April flights to be cancelled.
I have a trip to Jersey planned mid April and though I'm holding off on booking hotels or anything l think the trip will happen.
Late April will make these days look mild.
As others said, have the ceremony done in an intimate way with minimal attendance, postpone big celebration to July.
I'm not so sure. I can't see the world staying in full lockdown for long. The virus will spread and get worse but I think airlines may start doing the sums and realising they have to fly again
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 05:20:24 AM
I'm not so sure. I can't see the world staying in full lockdown for long. The virus will spread and get worse but I think airlines may start doing the sums and realising they have to fly again
It's probably better than them having to fly empty planes to keep their slots though.
But yeah I think this will be a long issue. I really want a holiday (because I had to cut my last one short) but I don't think it's particularly plausible this side of summer, and I'm already worrying about my September trip (which is booked). God-willing, it'll all move quicker than that and everyone gets to enjoy some sun somewhere they want.
I can see some cynicism from the airlines. Once corona becomes a widespread thing and the prospect of them getting the blame for people catching it fades away, the government cuts back on the economy destroying lockdown rhetoric, etc... Then they will stop cancelling flights and run to schedule, fully expecting half their ticket holders to not show up.
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 05:20:24 AM
Quote from: Tamas on March 14, 2020, 02:06:47 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 13, 2020, 06:27:55 PM
For overseas travel the only thing is to hope really. Mid April I would say is perhaps a little late, things may be getting back to normal by then, but I expect early April flights to be cancelled.
I have a trip to Jersey planned mid April and though I'm holding off on booking hotels or anything l think the trip will happen.
Late April will make these days look mild.
As others said, have the ceremony done in an intimate way with minimal attendance, postpone big celebration to July.
I'm not so sure. I can't see the world staying in full lockdown for long. The virus will spread and get worse but I think airlines may start doing the sums and realising they have to fly again
The UK government said a couple of days ago that we will be where Italy is now in 4 weeks time. That's mid-April, mate. And Italy is nowhere near wrapping this thing up.
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 05:27:48 AM
I can see some cynicism from the airlines. Once corona becomes a widespread thing and the prospect of them getting the blame for people catching it fades away, the government cuts back on the economy destroying lockdown rhetoric, etc... Then they will stop cancelling flights and run to schedule, fully expecting half their ticket holders to not show up.
Why does the government cut back on the economy destroying lockdown rhetoric once it becomes a widespread thing?
I'll take the Languish mandate into consideration :P
I'd be surprised if there's any serious objection to postponing, but I'm finding the boomer generation even more stubborn than expected.
Until the government cancelled all events two days ago, my 70 year old dad with severe asthma insisted on going to some big fair with the grandkids :bleeding:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2020, 06:06:11 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 05:27:48 AM
I can see some cynicism from the airlines. Once corona becomes a widespread thing and the prospect of them getting the blame for people catching it fades away, the government cuts back on the economy destroying lockdown rhetoric, etc... Then they will stop cancelling flights and run to schedule, fully expecting half their ticket holders to not show up.
Why does the government cut back on the economy destroying lockdown rhetoric once it becomes a widespread thing?
Because there's no point. Once everyone is infected then the delay stage is done.
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Because there's no point. Once everyone is infected then the delay stage is done.
Makes sense. But then I don't get how airlines resuming flights is cynical.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2020, 08:18:22 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Because there's no point. Once everyone is infected then the delay stage is done.
Makes sense. But then I don't get how airlines resuming flights is cynical.
In the sense that they will do it at the first opportunity, fully expecting most people not to take them due to health warnings still in action, as it saves having to refund ticket prices.
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 08:41:17 AM
In the sense that they will do it at the first opportunity, fully expecting most people not to take them due to health warnings still in action, as it saves having to refund ticket prices.
I think I've got it. As the corona scare diminishes, customers will buy a bunch of tickets, then come to their senses and realize it's still not safe, not travel after all, and the airlines will make a killing.
Leaving aside the issue that this is not exactly the same thing as everyone on the planet already having been infected and therefore either dead or immune, why is the scenario you describe a case of airlines being cynical and not customers being dumbasses?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2020, 08:49:56 AM
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 08:41:17 AM
In the sense that they will do it at the first opportunity, fully expecting most people not to take them due to health warnings still in action, as it saves having to refund ticket prices.
I think I've got it. As the corona scare diminishes, customers will buy a bunch of tickets, then come to their senses and realize it's still not safe, not travel after all, and the airlines will make a killing.
Leaving aside the issue that this is not exactly the same thing as everyone on the planet already having been infected and therefore either dead or immune, why is the scenario you describe a case of airlines being cynical and not customers being dumbasses?
They've already got the tickets. Lots of people book summer holidays way in advance.
A lot of people are in a holding pattern now. They haven't cancelled as they may not get their money back or they're hoping it will be better by then. They're holding on until the airline formally cancels their flight and refunds them.
My GF is meant to fly to Geneva next week. The flight is still officially going ahead. We're hoping they cancel before then as she isn't going.
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 09:02:05 AM
They've already got the tickets. Lots of people book summer holidays way in advance.
A lot of people are in a holding pattern now. They haven't cancelled as they may not get their money back or they're hoping it will be better by then. They're holding on until the airline formally cancels their flight and refunds them.
My GF is meant to fly to Geneva next week. The flight is still officially going ahead. We're hoping they cancel before then as she isn't going.
Fair enough. Thanks for the explanation.
Airlines are very, very reluctant to cancel flights, not least because there's European rights to refunds. But also I think there's an international arrangement that they need to keep running flights, even if they're empty, to keep their landing slot at that airport.
I understand the airlines are pushing for this to be relaxed during the crisis, because at the minute it's slightly environmentally catastrophic that unless the government closes the borders they have to keep running entirely empty flights or they'll lose their, say, London City to Amsterdam slot which is probably really valuable in normal times.
Yeah, there really need to be a quick shakeup to the laws to recognise we are in an unusual situation and they can get away with some kind of legal fiction of having used their slot. One of their staff in a buggy goes out onto the tarmac at their scheduled landing time or something ridiculous like that.
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Because there's no point. Once everyone is infected then the delay stage is done.
Even if the virus is allowed to roam free, we would be well into summer before this point is reached. Eventually exponential growth ends and then you need another month for the last infected to become immune.
Quote from: Iormlund on March 14, 2020, 12:23:29 PM
Quote from: Tyr on March 14, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
Because there's no point. Once everyone is infected then the delay stage is done.
Even if the virus is allowed to roam free, we would be well into summer before this point is reached. Eventually exponential growth ends and then you need another month for the last infected to become immune.
Yeah. But I don't see this ending any time before the summer. As I say I'm not sure my September holiday is safe.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 14, 2020, 09:15:01 AM
Airlines are very, very reluctant to cancel flights, not least because there's European rights to refunds.
Not in case of Force majeure.
Right, wedding is off. It will be either late October or April next year.
You made the right choice. And who knows, maybe you find someone better till then! :)
Good call. Stay safe.
Quote from: Syt on March 14, 2020, 02:23:47 PM
You made the right choice. And who knows, maybe you find someone better till then! :)
:hmm:
A Corona Wedding? Is that like ... a Coronation? ;)