The Senate has proclaimed you dictator. You have total power. All laws are suspended.
What do you do?
Order everyone to do exactly what the head of the CDC tells them to do
Marshal Law restricting intrastate travel, price fixing, widespread testing, deploy all medical assets in DOD, stop travel in and out,
Oh and temp govermentalize all civilian\private hospital, labs, etc.
Coordinate a global coalition effort. Because we are the USA you know.
1) Have every disloyal Senator executed and replaced with a loyalist, to make sure I'll stay a dictator. I'd rather fully focus on eradicating the COVID-19 rather than worry about my dictatorial powers being rescinded by opportunists once the crisis appears to be on the decline.
2) Declare nationwide quarantine for several weeks. The exact length would be determined after consulting with the BC CDC.
3) Draft volunteers to keep the crucial systems running and deliver all the necessities to the people stranded in their homes. Keep them quarantined in their own barracks, and make them wear protective gear when interacting with the regular citizens. Give them a medal in the end if they survive.
4) Blacklist any other country that does not adopt my plan, or any country that does not blacklist the countries I blacklisted. Blacklisted countries would be blocked from all travel to and from until my plan is adopted.
1) Tax all foreigners living abroad
2) The end
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Marshal Law
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
Call up National Guard/Army and cordon areas where there has been infection. Make testing and care for corona virus free. When resources become available for it, make testing mandatory inside the cordoned areas. Inside cordoned areas prohibit travel as much as possible and us military assets to deliver food and supplies to people at their homes and provide transport for people who must leave their homes (for things like medical emergencies). When everyone has been tested in each area, lift the cordon and move resources to the next area. Oh and maybe shoot DGuller in case someone tries to give him dictatorial powers.
This is not realistic.
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2020, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Marshal Law
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
I am the dictator in my world, prosecutor. To the *camps with you for reeducation training. :ultra:
*no internment camps are officially operated by the government according state TV.
I think BB is picking on your spelling.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 12, 2020, 08:21:43 PM
I think BB is picking on your spelling.
Either way, no matter, away with him.
Grammar, spelling, punctuation, all rules are suspended.
I'd shut everything down except food, utilities, medical.
Test everyone. Once everyone in an area checks out, open businesses back up. Once contiguous areas check out, allow travel between them.
Send everyone a check to handle necessities.
Freeze loan repayments.
I like the cut of your jib
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
I like the cut of your jib
You're missing a period.
This thread should be renamed "Market apologists suddenly find virtue in state allocation of resources" :P
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2020, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Marshal Law
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
The BC CDC director's name is Marshall. :P
Quote from: Oexmelin on March 12, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
This thread should be renamed "Market apologists suddenly find virtue in state allocation of resources" :P
"Aging Marxists feel vindicated in calls for permanent state of emergency" would work too. :)
Quote from: Oexmelin on March 12, 2020, 09:14:58 PM
This thread should be renamed "Market apologists suddenly find virtue in state allocation of resources" :P
:lol:
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2020, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Marshal Law
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
I am the dictator in my world, prosecutor. To the *camps with you for reeducation training. :ultra:
*no internment camps are officially operated by the government according state TV.
You'd think a fucking former soldier would know it's spelled
Martial law. :ultra:
Maybe you have to be the parent of young kids, but "Marshal Law" to me sounds like we're being bossed around by this fellow.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/paw-patrol/images/6/64/Marshall_PNG.png/revision/latest?cb=20150520174150)
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2020, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:52:00 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2020, 07:42:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 12, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
Marshal Law
:bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding: :bleeding:
I am the dictator in my world, prosecutor. To the *camps with you for reeducation training. :ultra:
*no internment camps are officially operated by the government according state TV.
You'd think a fucking former soldier would know it's spelled Martial law. :ultra:
Maybe you have to be the parent of young kids, but "Marshal Law" to me sounds like we're being bossed around by this fellow.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/paw-patrol/images/6/64/Marshall_PNG.png/revision/latest?cb=20150520174150)
See Yi's rules.
Kill all crows.
Start establishing a loyal group around me in preparation for the inevitable zombie apocalypse.
I would preserve a nucleus of the human species at the bottom of the nation's mineshafts.
Quote from: celedhring on March 13, 2020, 05:06:58 AM
I would preserve a nucleus of the human species at the bottom of the nation's mineshafts.
Finally, some common sense.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 13, 2020, 05:15:16 AM
Quote from: celedhring on March 13, 2020, 05:06:58 AM
I would preserve a nucleus of the human species at the bottom of the nation's mineshafts.
Finally, some common sense.
Yes. Also, send a gold HDD into space containing wikipedia and a selection of youtube memes.
Dump all our nuclear waste into the desert when nobody is looking.
Cancel the debt while they are worried about the nuclear waste.
Give out free ice cream on tuesdays.
Have a 2 week free overdue book return at the library.
I can't think of anything else.
Proscribe the elderly/boomers to save on costs. Declare pandemic over. ;)
Quarantine Chinese style for a few weeks. Then gather half of the most vulnerable population and send them to the other half of the country. Those remaining in the "healthy" area keep the lights on and must attend COVID parties for a straight month. When as a result serious cases cease appearing, send there all the vulnerable folk and repeat the exercise.
After doing all the important comedy Dictator things like making vast statues of my head only all over the country, I'd turn my attention to the virus and probably just follow what seems to have been effective in the countries that took their outbreaks seriously, more or less those that took lessons from SARS.
Free and abundant testing, free care for the sick (socialized if you prefer) allocation of national resources to hard hit areas as the Chinese did in Wuhan, certainly cancel public events and restrict some travel, encourage social distancing, use a massive media campaign to disseminate good information, including a bot army of unprecedented size on social media and so on. I'd support the economy by mandating paid sick leave, suspending mortgage payments , foreclosures etc, financial support for businesses and employees that collapse or shutter and so on. A central pandemic command and control unit or task force. That kind of stuff.
Oh, and firing squads for toilet paper hoarders obviously.
Quote from: fromtia on March 13, 2020, 01:18:43 PM
Oh, and firing squads for toilet paper hoarders obviously.
While I have invested in many rolls of toilet paper, please note that I am an opportunistic speculator rather than a hoarder. :P
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 12, 2020, 07:13:45 PM
The Senate has proclaimed you dictator. You have total power. All laws are suspended.
What do you do?
Gather a group of public health experts and civil service technocrats. Tell the experts to come up with a plan, having regard to successful experience in other places. The plan should be enough to stop the virus without unnecessarily hurting the economy. Then tell the technocrats to make the plan happen, draft laws, make speeches, enforce the rules etc. Anybody who opposes the plan will be locked up for good.
While I am at it, I will also make changes to the public health system for the long-term. Things like building all the new public hospitals that are needed and locking up all the NIMBYers, importing vast numbers of health professionals, getting rid of as many middlemen as I can, etc. All the needed long term reforms. I will be very happy if I import so many surgeons, doctors and nurses that they end up making minimum wage.
The last thing will be self-preservation. I will demand 10x the pay of the US president, a new identity after retirement, a swiss bank account, a 3,000 square feet house in a place of my choosing, life pension in the form of bearer US treasury bonds with coupons attached, life time secret service protection, 20 foreign passports, public agreement never to prosecute me, etc.
You want all those goodies in exchange for telling someone else to take care of it? :lol:
BTW, no such as bearer Treasury bonds.
Good luck "importing" trained health professionals paying minimum wage.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 14, 2020, 05:07:57 AM
Good luck "importing" trained health professionals paying minimum wage.
Well, HK minimum wage would be seen in a different light by, say, Nigerians.
They're not going to choose HK minimum wage over professional wages in the West.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 14, 2020, 06:28:26 AM
They're not going to choose HK minimum wage over professional wages in the West.
Yeah - I mean the NHS has loads of Nigerian and Filipino members of staff so at least you'll have to compete with those wages :P
Minimum wage would be extreme, but the point is to import enough foreign workers to significantly drag down local wages.
I thought HK types were supposed to be the archmages of capitalism, and we have one arguing to lower prices in order to increase supply. :hmm:
You wouldn't do well in my introductory economics class.
Quote from: grumbler on March 14, 2020, 06:38:27 PM
I thought HK types were supposed to be the archmages of capitalism, and we have one arguing to lower prices in order to increase supply. :hmm:
You wouldn't do well in my introductory economics class.
Right now, HK's market for doctors and nurses isn't free. Salaries are kept artificially high by sky high barriers to entry. The self-governing doctors' professional licencing body won't let foreign doctors work in HK, no matter how qualified they are, because they want to protect their own. The number of medical graduates is also limited by the government.
If I rewrite the rules and say anybody who is qualified to practise medicine and surgery in the world, regardless of race, country of residence, etc, can work in the public hospitals in HK, and any and all protesting/striking local doctor is jailed for life, there will be a flood of qualified doctors from all over the world to fight for the right to work in our public hospitals. They pay really well now. An increase in supply of that scale will drive down prices.
Quote from: grumbler on March 14, 2020, 06:38:27 PM
I thought HK types were supposed to be the archmages of capitalism, and we have one arguing to lower prices in order to increase supply. :hmm:
You wouldn't do well in my introductory economics class.
I think he's arguing the converse: increase supply to lower prices.
True. He just vastly overestimates the supply available.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 14, 2020, 11:13:38 PM
True. He just vastly overestimates the supply available.
Hong Kong is a magnet for Mainlanders. Having a HK ID is a source of pride and prestige. Just tell them there is no internet firewall here, and the government can't take their flats away at will. HK doctors also earn a lot more than Mainland ones. HK doctors make all sorts of threats against importing Mainland doctors. They know they are totally screwed if their little protectionist guild fails.
Would a Hong Kong person (other than perhaps those from the Mainland or maybe whose parents are) trust Mainland doctors and want to see them?
My impression of Mainland Chinese hospitals and the doctors in them is very low indeed. When I was living in Shenzhen, I always crossed the border into Hong Kong in order to see a Hong Kong doctor (one educated in the UK) rather than a Mainland one.
From what I have heard anecdotally, my view is echoed across much of Hong Kong Society generally. If true, I couldn't see many people, other than perhaps the poor (who still wouldn't really want to but just couldn't afford not to) or those with immediate Mainland roots, wanting to use a Mainland doctor.
Quote from: Camerus on March 15, 2020, 09:47:50 AM
Would a Hong Kong person (other than perhaps those from the Mainland or maybe whose parents are) trust Mainland doctors and want to see them?
My impression of Mainland Chinese hospitals and the doctors in them is very low indeed. When I was living in Shenzhen, I always crossed the border into Hong Kong in order to see a Hong Kong doctor (one educated in the UK) rather than a Mainland one.
From what I have heard anecdotally, my view is echoed across much of Hong Kong Society generally. If true, I couldn't see many people, other than perhaps the poor (who still wouldn't really want to but just couldn't afford not to) or those with immediate Mainland roots, wanting to use a Mainland doctor.
Lots of people see Mainland traditional medical practitioners in HK. There is a general belief that when it comes to herbal medicine, Mainland ones are much better.
Your impression is correct. Most people, including me, would want to see a doctor in HK rather than in the Mainland.
But it is important to note the reason: the problem is with the Mainland system, not Mainland doctors. The Mainland medical sector is much more capitalistic. They demand cash upfront, no money = no treatment, bribes are expected, doctors screw you to make as much money as possible, etc. Doctors in HK play by the rules.
In HK, there are two sides in the medical field, public and private. Private doctors is a free market. Public sector is (basically) free and universal health care. Now, about half the doctors serve 10% of the population in the private sector, and 90% of the people to go the public hospitals.
There is no shortage in the private sector. The real shortage is in the public hospitals. Note: public hospitals pay really well. It is the crazy workload that drives doctors away. A lot of GPs probably earn less if they move to the private sector. They just get their work life balance back.
The poors who enjoy free public healthcare basically have no choice regardless of what doctor they get.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 15, 2020, 03:06:37 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 14, 2020, 11:13:38 PM
True. He just vastly overestimates the supply available.
Hong Kong is a magnet for Mainlanders. Having a HK ID is a source of pride and prestige. Just tell them there is no internet firewall here, and the government can't take their flats away at will. HK doctors also earn a lot more than Mainland ones. HK doctors make all sorts of threats against importing Mainland doctors. They know they are totally screwed if their little protectionist guild fails.
HK might be a magnet to mainlanders, but it's not a magnet to anyone else in the world dude.
Why would any doctor move to HK, be paid a crap wage and then deal with your stupidly inflated housing prices?
Your plan is kinda dumb.
Quote from: Zoupa on March 15, 2020, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 15, 2020, 03:06:37 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 14, 2020, 11:13:38 PM
True. He just vastly overestimates the supply available.
Hong Kong is a magnet for Mainlanders. Having a HK ID is a source of pride and prestige. Just tell them there is no internet firewall here, and the government can't take their flats away at will. HK doctors also earn a lot more than Mainland ones. HK doctors make all sorts of threats against importing Mainland doctors. They know they are totally screwed if their little protectionist guild fails.
HK might be a magnet to mainlanders, but it's not a magnet to anyone else in the world dude.
Why would any doctor move to HK, be paid a crap wage and then deal with your stupidly inflated housing prices?
Your plan is kinda dumb.
Lots of foreigners work here. 300,000 Indonesian and Filipino maids get US$500 a month and they stay for years and years. When I go to restaurants, I see lots of white Caucasians work as chefs and waiters. When I buy food online, 99% of the time, the driver is an Indian.
A medical graduate easily makes more than US$150k, after tax, in the public hospitals, as a GP. If we open that position to all medical doctors in the world, I am pretty sure tons of people from all over will apply. The only reason that hasn't happened is because of protectionism.
Maids and delivery drivers are not the same as doctors. Why do I even have to explain that.
Doctors who want to emigrate have about 45 better alternative destinations before they get to HK. The protectionism is there to guard against mainland doctors.
Quote from: Zoupa on March 15, 2020, 08:35:04 PM
Maids and delivery drivers are not the same as doctors. Why do I even have to explain that.
Doctors who want to emigrate have about 45 better alternative destinations before they get to HK. The protectionism is there to guard against mainland doctors.
You don't know the history. Hong Kong was a British colony not that long ago. British and commonwealth doctors could work in Hong Kong before 1997. Lots of Hong Kong students went to study medicine in the UK before 1997, then came back to work as doctors. I remember seeing an English speaking doctor when I was a kid, and I had to describe my symptoms using English.
The self-governing doctors changed the rules in 1997. Only doctors educated in HK can practise here. Not even HK students who studied in very good medical schools in the West. The protectionism is there to limit the supply and screw the HK people.
Oh and just come and take a look at Central, our financial heart. More foreigners work in the investment banks than locals.
Ok Mono. Sure. All the anglophone recently graduated medical students will rush to the butthole of China, with its terrible cost of living, shit air quality and lack of freedoms instead of going to Australia, New Zealand, Canada, UK or the US.
Makes perfect sense...
Quote from: Zoupa on March 15, 2020, 08:46:53 PM
Ok Mono. Sure. All the anglophone recently graduated medical students will rush to the butthole of China, with its terrible cost of living, shit air quality and lack of freedoms instead of going to Australia, New Zealand, Canada, UK or the US.
Makes perfect sense...
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others won't :P
I live here and I see lots of foreigners working here in different professions, so I don't know what you are talking about.
Oh there is one area I do know something about. I go to the universities all the time. The majority of the faculty are from outside Hong Kong. We aren't talking about drivers and maids here, and they still come despite the cost of living, air quality and what not. You know what, as expats, they can't vote regardless of whether there is democracy anyway :P
In fact, I know lots of western academics working on the Mainland.
So let's say some doctors would like to live and work in Hong Kong and can't because of current regulations. You lift those. Doctors start trickling in and then pay gets cut. Now, doctors who were previously satisfied start looking to leave Hong Kong. The stream of foreign doctors willing to immigrate dries up. You find yourselves short and have to raise salaries again.
The truth is that you're already part of a global market. You may be able to increase supply or to cut costs. You won't be able to do both without a significant drop in quality.
He will if the prevailing HK salary is higher than the prevailing world salary.
The world has some less well-educated docs. If you compare HK to first world countries, they're already making similar amounts.
Even the mainland doctors are certainly making way more than HK minimum wage. And their current pay is the absolute floor.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 15, 2020, 09:27:01 PM
So let's say some doctors would like to live and work in Hong Kong and can't because of current regulations. You lift those. Doctors start trickling in and then pay gets cut. Now, doctors who were previously satisfied start looking to leave Hong Kong. The stream of foreign doctors willing to immigrate dries up. You find yourselves short and have to raise salaries again.
The truth is that you're already part of a global market. You may be able to increase supply or to cut costs. You won't be able to do both without a significant drop in quality.
No we aren't part of the global market. Protectionism means, as far as doctors and nurses go, only locals can work here. What you say may well be true, but right now we can't even try. There is no way to test if what you say is true or not. I say, screw the doctors, let's import doctors and see what happens :menace:
Quote from: Eddie Teach on March 15, 2020, 09:41:59 PM
The world has some less well-educated docs. If you compare HK to first world countries, they're already making similar amounts.
Even the mainland doctors are certainly making way more than HK minimum wage. And their current pay is the absolute floor.
I didn't catch the part about minimum wage. Disregard my comment.
Quote from: Monoriu on March 15, 2020, 09:48:22 PM
I say, screw the doctors, let's import doctors and see what happens :menace:
Huh. I guess I never thought the current bumblers running Hong Kong could appear wise until I started hearing Mono's ideas.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 14, 2020, 04:53:12 AM
You want all those goodies in exchange for telling someone else to take care of it? :lol:
BTW, no such as bearer Treasury bonds.
Bearer obligations are virtually non-existent in the US anyways because of unfavorable tax treatment since the 80s.
How many Hong Kongers study medicine overseas?
If every single one of them come back after would it solve Hong kongs problems?
Then to consider its almost certain a large minority at the very least will be more swayed by elsewhere...
Quote from: Valmy on March 16, 2020, 11:35:20 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 15, 2020, 09:48:22 PM
I say, screw the doctors, let's import doctors and see what happens :menace:
Huh. I guess I never thought the current bumblers running Hong Kong could appear wise until I started hearing Mono's ideas.
Importing doctors is official HK government policy. And unlike most government positions, this one actually has substantial public support. Just imagine waiting for three years to see a specialist at a public hospital. You'll want to import doctors too :contract:
Quote from: Tyr on March 16, 2020, 05:09:52 PM
How many Hong Kongers study medicine overseas?
If every single one of them come back after would it solve Hong kongs problems?
Then to consider its almost certain a large minority at the very least will be more swayed by elsewhere...
When I was a kid, it was popular to study medicine overseas. My grandmother tried to make my father do it, but failed :lol:
But the rule that only students educated in HK can practise in HK has been in place for more than 20 years now, that any HK student who studied medicine overseas must know that they can't come back. The other problem with studying medicine overseas is that it is only possible for a few countries, mainly the UK. You can't do it for the US or Canada, because for some reason medicine is a post-graduate degree there.
Given that the bulk of HK students who study overseas want to come back to HK, I would imagine there aren't a lot of people who do that. But if somebody can rewrite the rules that HK students who study medicine in the UK can come back to practise, just like the old days, I would imagine a flood of people will do that. Medicine is now the single most popular profession here.
Medicine is a 4 year degree in HK? And in the UK? :blink:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
Medicine is a 4 year degree in HK? And in the UK? :blink:
Six year undergraduate degree in HK. Not sure about the length in the UK but it is definitely undergraduate. We copied their system after all.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
Medicine is a 4 year degree in HK? And in the UK? :blink:
5 year if you're an undergrad, 4 years if you're a grad plus a couple of years as a junior doctor (mandatory post-graduate training program) - after that you're in your specialism.
Although actually giving covid-19 there is talk of basically giving fifth year students an emergency graduation so they'll be junior doctors.
Edit: How long is it in the US?
Well shit. That explains the big difference in health care spending then. We treat MDs like big deals, when in reality all you need are a couple vo-tech credits.
Yeah I think all these rules about making medicine a post-graduate degree, limiting the people who can practise etc are all protectionist measures. They just make it more difficult to join the market and compete with the existing doctors.
What we really need are AI doctors. I think they'll do a much better job than human ones.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2020, 08:15:54 PM
Well shit. That explains the big difference in health care spending then. We treat MDs like big deals, when in reality all you need are a couple vo-tech credits.
It's one of the factors - cost of medication and procedures also relevant:
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Quote from: Monoriu on March 16, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
Yeah I think all these rules about making medicine a post-graduate degree, limiting the people who can practise etc are all protectionist measures. They just make it more difficult to join the market and compete with the existing doctors.
That's true of every profession. I have like 40 sets of initials after my name now. CCNA CCNE, MCSE, MCSA, MSNA, A+, N+, S+, CME, blah blah. Certified Ethical Hacker for Christ's sake. It's out of control. The new nobility. KBE? Star Chamber?
The only thing all these dumbass initials after my name do is protect me from having to compete with smart motivated younger people. That's it.
The AMA is the same. Nothing but good old fashioned mercantilistic bully-boy guild tactics.
Do you really need fifteen years of school to set a broken arm? Come on.
It's interesting to compare with Switzerland.
Over there you need to be certified to do practically any job. Whether it's doctor, interior decorator, child minder, plasterer or whatever, you absolutely have to have your papers in place.
As opposed to the UK where its generally only with elite jobs that we have these restrictions.
Yeah I think the US is obsessed with people being licensed too.
From my recent stay in hospital makes me think we slightly overvalue doctors and profoundly undervalue and underpay nurses, who I actually think could also do a lot more stuff within the healthcare system.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 20, 2020, 05:41:54 AM
Yeah I think the US is obsessed with people being licensed too.
From my recent stay in hospital makes me think we slightly overvalue doctors and profoundly undervalue and underpay nurses, who I actually think could also do a lot more stuff within the healthcare system.
Definitely true.
I guess in a way this makes sense from the ye olde way of looking at skills and education. Cramming enough in your head to be a doctor was the challenge in itself.
These days any knowledge is readily available at any time, its not quite the skill it used to be. Its still important, but the scales have tipped a bit more towards the human interaction side of medical care, i.e. the relatively "unskilled" stuff that was the traditional domain of nurses.
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 20, 2020, 05:41:54 AM
Yeah I think the US is obsessed with people being licensed too.
From my recent stay in hospital makes me think we slightly overvalue doctors and profoundly undervalue and underpay nurses, who I actually think could also do a lot more stuff within the healthcare system.
That's more UK specific. US nurses are paid in a much more respectable fashion.
I've only had one employee so far who didn't have a degree. We fired him at 6 months. -_-
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on March 20, 2020, 05:14:47 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on March 16, 2020, 08:25:03 PM
Yeah I think all these rules about making medicine a post-graduate degree, limiting the people who can practise etc are all protectionist measures. They just make it more difficult to join the market and compete with the existing doctors.
That's true of every profession. I have like 40 sets of initials after my name now. CCNA CCNE, MCSE, MCSA, MSNA, A+, N+, S+, CME, blah blah. Certified Ethical Hacker for Christ's sake. It's out of control. The new nobility. KBE? Star Chamber?
The only thing all these dumbass initials after my name do is protect me from having to compete with smart motivated younger people. That's it.
The AMA is the same. Nothing but good old fashioned mercantilistic bully-boy guild tactics.
Do you really need fifteen years of school to set a broken arm? Come on.
Won't be able to do it for long though. I expect ML to replace most MDs within 25 years.
Yeah US nurses are paid pretty well. I noticed when they changed that suddenly the number of male nurses skyrocketed :ph34r:
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 16, 2020, 08:13:30 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on March 16, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
Medicine is a 4 year degree in HK? And in the UK? :blink:
5 year if you're an undergrad, 4 years if you're a grad plus a couple of years as a junior doctor (mandatory post-graduate training program) - after that you're in your specialism.
Although actually giving covid-19 there is talk of basically giving fifth year students an emergency graduation so they'll be junior doctors.
Edit: How long is it in the US?
Huh. It's like law then - an undergraduate program in the UK, a post-graduate program in north america.
Quote from: Barrister on March 20, 2020, 02:14:10 PM
Huh. It's like law then - an undergraduate program in the UK, a post-graduate program in north america.
Weird. I'd say with law it's about 50/50 here who do it post-grad. I've never heard of someone doing medicine as a post-grad though it's possible.
QuoteYeah US nurses are paid pretty well. I noticed when they changed that suddenly the number of male nurses skyrocketed :ph34r:
I mean they're not wildly well-paid or that different from the UK on that table.
A lot of the traditional menial nursing tasks are covered by hospital workers who are called something different. Only the official nurses can dispense medicine.
Used to call them orderlies. Not sure if they still do