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Title: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
Game: HOI2
latest version, original game (not doomsay) stoney road mod

April '40, about to blow to Paris.  Fall back from Freiburg in hopes 40-45 French divisions will run into...

(attn French AI:)
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnorunnyeggs.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F06%2Fits-a-trap.jpg&hash=4ce8df356040c48c9cda75e5870133a53d723672)

Logistical Strike Frieburg to 2.2%  :menace:

Thrust  :perv: to Rheims with my Reichs Armee and destroy France.
Then it's on to Paris for a little shopping:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.itravelishop.com%2Fimage%2Fview%2F331&hash=e8d60d4a50e47c26ced879faf5d9926861a07ba6)

Oh yes, and perhaps in celebration rename my CVIII from Graf Spee to Miss Coco Chanel?



Well here is my question:

Getting ready for "Operation smash the commie-bedwetters to pieces as quickly as possible" set for May '41.

Is it worth researching many/most of the little brigade thingys?

I normally go with ARTY/ENG and Hvy Tanks

Do the others bring on enough panache to make it worth the tech spots?

Those ACs look rather jaunty, and I like the idea of SP, but I think normal arty does the trick nicely. :shrug:

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 04:06:37 PM
 :cry:

No help?
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 14, 2009, 04:16:47 PM
I usually did the brigades. I'd give heavy tanks to tank divisions in armies (a tank division with a bunch of infantry) and TD's and SP Arty to tank and mech divisions in panzerkorps I was using when blowing through holes in the lines and exploiting the rear areas.

I usually never bothered much with armored cars.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on July 14, 2009, 04:54:44 PM
Most brigades can be safely skipped, like Armored cars (though the 1st level can be good early on for low-tech countries), AA, AT, and Rockets. Artillery, SP-Art, Eng, Police (for garrisons) are the good ones. Especially SP-Art.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on July 14, 2009, 04:54:44 PM
Most brigades can be safely skipped, like Armored cars (though the 1st level can be good early on for low-tech countries), AA, AT, and Rockets. Artillery, SP-Art, Eng, Police (for garrisons) are the good ones. Especially SP-Art.

I used to develope SP-art for my tanks, then I paid attention to Heavy Tanks.  At the advanced level they seem to rock SP-art on Tanks?  (Earlier SP seems better) 

Maybe do the SP-Art until ADV HT, then move the SP-art to motor/mech?
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 05:00:58 PM
 :pope:

Monkeybuttpirate and HMBOB both get three, yes three Prada points for their help.

That pipeline is now closed.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: garbon on July 14, 2009, 05:02:13 PM
Some is clearly saturated in prada.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 14, 2009, 05:02:13 PM
Some is clearly saturated in prada.

I'm not so big on her Spring collection for '10.  :(
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: grumbler on July 14, 2009, 07:13:14 PM
This thread delivers!  :cheers:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 07:31:13 PM
So here is what I'm thinking for my OB (? is that the correct name?) for "operation liberate the bedwetters from their Uncle Joe" May '40:

HQs w/3INF each
Armee Heerensgruppe, Armee Osterreich, I. Armee, II. Armee, III. Armee, und IV. Armee

V. und VI. Armees (5INF w/3ART,1ENG,1AT)

millions of three division korps
some 3INF
some 3INF art
some 3INF 2art plus 1eng
some 3INF 2art plus 1AT

I. - IV. Panzerarmee(s) 2Tanks w/Heavy Tank and 1MOT w/ENG
I - IV. Panzerkorps 1Tank w/Heavy Tank

I've got 3 korps with 2MOT w/ENG just don't know what to name them  :Embarrass:



Those ACs look so jaunty. I could see Lt. General Sheilbh or Mj. General Garbon running around in them with scarfs blowing in the wind.  But I shant waste such sillyness on precious tech spots.


I want teh Bomb quickly.  :menace:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: BVN on July 15, 2009, 04:33:09 AM
Only ART and SP-ART are worth the effort. Use SP-ART where you don't want the speed of your units reduced. For the rest, use ART (or don't bother with brigades at all).

Actually, I only use brigades for the role-playing value.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 15, 2009, 04:49:15 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 02:47:23 PM
Game: HOI2
latest version, original game (not doomsay) stoney road mod

April '40, about to blow to Paris.  Fall back from Freiburg in hopes 40-45 French divisions will run into...

(attn French AI:)

Those ACs look rather jaunty, and I like the idea of SP, but I think normal arty does the trick nicely. :shrug:

Thoughts?

Artillery slows your MOT, MEC and ARM down, but can be used as a last resort early game. I would not recommend it for the war in Russia. Imagine tank crews hopping out of their tanks to push goddamn 88 mms out of creeks and mud.

Arty is good for INF, MTN. SP ART for MAR (with one ENG in a corps), MOT, MEC and ARM. Forget PAR. MTN are also optional, but it is nice to have some snazzily dressed Alpenjäger "liberating" the Caucasus. :perv:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: ulmont on July 15, 2009, 08:07:53 AM
Quote from: BVN on July 15, 2009, 04:33:09 AM
Actually, I only use brigades for the role-playing value.

This.  Unless Stoney Road seriously rebalanced the brigades, you're more efficient on TC / IC / MP/ *and* research to build more units than to add brigades.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
Just curious, so no one likes the heavy tank brigades? 

I know it slows tanks by -1 but the softness/toughness looked good.  I don't know, this is the first time I've used them.  I normally go in with SP attached to my tanks.

I'll watch if I see much of a difference.

Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 15, 2009, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 10:13:49 AM
Just curious, so no one likes the heavy tank brigades? 

I know it slows tanks by -1 but the softness/toughness looked good.  I don't know, this is the first time I've used them.  I normally go in with SP attached to my tanks.

I'll watch if I see much of a difference.

I only use them in tank divisions in infantry armies. As a German player, I just had to have Tiger's in the game.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: I Killed Kenny on July 15, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
It's OOB (Order Of Battle) :nerd:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 01:38:37 PM
Quote from: I Killed Kenny on July 15, 2009, 11:01:46 AM
It's OOB (Order Of Battle) :nerd:

Danke. 

For this one of my 3 division INF units shall be called "Kenny Korps".   Your unit will help with the push to Smolensk.   You shall then proceed to Baku.

late June 1940
France was a cake walk, I'm shopping at Chanel as I post.  Lunch at Hotel George V schpater, then on to Dior.


Armees gathering at Wilhemshaven und Klagenfurt for the JUL '40 assualts on UK und Die Jugoslavien. 

At this point all future 3div INF built w/o brigades (all my 4-5 skill Lt. Generals/Mj. Generals  have brigades  :cthulu:)



question:

What do you guys do when you've taken all the UK except the Scampa Flow thingy place?
Is it fair to just get an acceptall white peace?  Perhaps an acceptall demand of a colonial province?

Or hold on with no acceptall?

all answers considered.
I normally am able to occupy the whole of UK except that Scampy Flowing thingy.  At that point I'll acceptall a white peace with UK.  Italiens hate that.  :D
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 15, 2009, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 01:38:37 PM


question:

What do you guys do when you've taken all the UK except the Scampa Flow thingy place?
Is it fair to just get an acceptall white peace?  Perhaps an acceptall demand of a colonial province?

Or hold on with no acceptall?

all answers considered.
I normally am able to occupy the whole of UK except that Scampy Flowing thingy.  At that point I'll acceptall a white peace with UK.  Italiens hate that.  :D

Hold on. Break Scotland off as a puppet. Give NI back to the Irish. Then invade India via Iran.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 03:07:59 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 15, 2009, 02:29:03 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 01:38:37 PM


question:

What do you guys do when you've taken all the UK except the Scampa Flow thingy place?
Is it fair to just get an acceptall white peace?  Perhaps an acceptall demand of a colonial province?

Or hold on with no acceptall?

all answers considered.
I normally am able to occupy the whole of UK except that Scampy Flowing thingy.  At that point I'll acceptall a white peace with UK.  Italiens hate that.  :D

Hold on. Break Scotland off as a puppet. Give NI back to the Irish. Then invade India via Iran.

:mmm:

Me rikey.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 04:46:33 PM
Bonus for my readers:

when i goggled Tavu, I got this...

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:mmm: :wub:


helpful note, google has little on Tannu Tava, it's all under Tavu.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 15, 2009, 05:08:59 PM
Only brigades I ever build are SP artillery and MPs.  Keep and upgrade the foot artillery and engineers you start the game with.  Attach the engineers to 3 panzer divisions and form a super fast panzer korps.  Attach the artillery to inf divisions and form 2 heavy (slow) infanterie korps.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: The Brain on July 15, 2009, 06:54:32 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 04:46:33 PM
Bonus for my readers:

when i goggled Tavu, I got this...

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fddavid.dk%2FBilleder%2Ftuvalille.jpg&hash=1f52b439c3aa9acbba107de3320a3e31e9ecb7c5)

:mmm: :wub:


For those who may not know that's hot Swedish actress Tuva Novotny. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0637259/bio
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 07:27:19 PM
Quote from: The Brain on July 15, 2009, 06:54:32 PM

For those who may not know that's hot Swedish actress Tuva Novotny. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0637259/bio

:(

I thought she might be the President of Tannu Tava.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 16, 2009, 02:24:53 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 01:38:37 PM


question:

What do you guys do when you've taken all the UK except the Scampa Flow thingy place?
Is it fair to just get an acceptall white peace?  Perhaps an acceptall demand of a colonial province?


I believe you are referring not to Scapa Flow, Scampi Flows or Scraping Floods, but the little province called Stornoway, representing the wind-blown Western Isles where Norwegians settled. This province is a pain in the behind, mostly because the damn Commonwealth retreats with 10+ divisions and when the Americanos join, you suddenly have 50 divisions sitting around playing cards and eating cod.

The only ways to avoid this silliness are:
1) Use your panzers when rolling up Scotland. Cut them off in the mountain province by rolling over Aberdeen and then get there before them.
2) Move the Kriegsmarine to an adjacent sea province to Stornoway. You can then assault Stornoway. The problem is you have to deal with the Ghost Of The Royal Navy, which should be 70+ ships under Chatfield or similar, blowing the glorious Kriegsmarine to bits with WWI carriers.
3) Paras. Stony Road does make the invasion of the UK harder, and you may have to assault Wales by air to get a small port. If you have done so, move Student and his guys to Stornoway once you have a breather and have gotten your Sea Lion Taskforce ashore.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 16, 2009, 08:36:43 AM
Quote from: Norgy on July 16, 2009, 02:24:53 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 15, 2009, 01:38:37 PM


question:

What do you guys do when you've taken all the UK except the Scampa Flow thingy place?
Is it fair to just get an acceptall white peace?  Perhaps an acceptall demand of a colonial province?


I believe you are referring not to Scapa Flow, Scampi Flows or Scraping Floods, but the little province called Stornoway, representing the wind-blown Western Isles where Norwegians settled. This province is a pain in the behind, mostly because the damn Commonwealth retreats with 10+ divisions and when the Americanos join, you suddenly have 50 divisions sitting around playing cards and eating cod.

The only ways to avoid this silliness are:
1) Use your panzers when rolling up Scotland. Cut them off in the mountain province by rolling over Aberdeen and then get there before them.
2) Move the Kriegsmarine to an adjacent sea province to Stornoway. You can then assault Stornoway. The problem is you have to deal with the Ghost Of The Royal Navy, which should be 70+ ships under Chatfield or similar, blowing the glorious Kriegsmarine to bits with WWI carriers.
3) Paras. Stony Road does make the invasion of the UK harder, and you may have to assault Wales by air to get a small port. If you have done so, move Student and his guys to Stornoway once you have a breather and have gotten your Sea Lion Taskforce ashore.

Thanks Norgy, yes it's always a pain.  One moment there are 4 beat up UK divisions (no problem), next thing you know all of Anzac and Canada has resettled.  ;)

Oh well I guess given the amount of troops UK AI stations at home, something should be hard.

I've overtaken the Isle and working my way up Scotland as I post.  We'll see what happens.  :)
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 08:39:55 AM
Also, Occupied England is a great place to stash Himmler.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 16, 2009, 09:58:52 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 08:39:55 AM
Also, Occupied England is a great place to stash Himmler.

:(

Himmler, the little Austrian Mans, and Goebbels all had an "accident" at the neues Lubeck Aqua-Centre.  They all fell into a tank of Jelly-Fish.

I did hire Magda as a guide at the neues Stuttgart Motor Musee.  I somewhat admire her zeal.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 16, 2009, 03:06:24 PM
Attn Readers.

Great News,

The Imperial Armee has vanquished the English menace.  The army occupies all England & Wales and threatens Scotland.  I do not care to go shopping or make a state visit.
I am excited because with the occupation we have gained the:

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Olivia de Havilland Aircraft Company!!!  :w00t:


Die Jugoslavien is close to annexation.  Sud Armee is just outside Skopje and ready to enter Greece.  No shopping here either, though Zagreb (soon to be renamed properly Agram) is quite pretty.


We are quite pleased with the progress given it's only mid-October 1940.  :scots:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 05:12:20 PM
If you had put off Sealion, you could have done a snap invasion of Russia in 1940, when they are much less ready for it.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Eddie Teach on July 16, 2009, 05:16:54 PM
Acronym overload! :bleeding:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 16, 2009, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 05:12:20 PM
If you had put off Sealion, you could have done a snap invasion of Russia in 1940, when they are much less ready for it.

:mmm:

I love this and shall try it next time.

Problem this time, I wouldn't have been ready either.
My MO with Germany is to hit France with a bare minimum of divisions, then build division like no tomorrow JUL40-APR41.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 07:01:27 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 16, 2009, 05:34:54 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 16, 2009, 05:12:20 PM
If you had put off Sealion, you could have done a snap invasion of Russia in 1940, when they are much less ready for it.

:mmm:

I love this and shall try it next time.

Problem this time, I wouldn't have been ready either.
My MO with Germany is to hit France with a bare minimum of divisions, then build division like no tomorrow JUL40-APR41.

The way I did it was hit France as soon as the divisions redeploy from Poland recover their org. So by the beginning of '40, the west is secure. Do the Denmark/Norway thing, then hit the Sovs in late spring/early summer. I also didn't build many air wings, and no navy, and poured the extra IC into tanks and infantry.

edit: Even better if they haven't absorbed the baltics. Narrower front to attack through.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Lucidor on July 17, 2009, 03:49:22 AM
Wouldn't Scampi Frown be a low org province, with attrition, or did I remember wrongly from HOI?
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 17, 2009, 10:41:01 AM
Scampi Frown is hi infra. But the AI cheats, I think, on Stornoway. Of course, anyone has heard about the highways and 4 track railroads in the Western Isles. That's how they get the Oban whisky to The People.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 17, 2009, 10:45:31 AM
Scampa Flow is actually 80%, and it wasn't hard to take.

It's that damn western Island off Scotland that has become the problem.  The Mystery RN Fleet always comes to the rescue when I try sub patrols.  The Allied AI has stacked 25 divs as of May '41.  My strategy (at the moment  :lol:) is 15 divs in Inverness and upgrading to a lvl 5 fort in Inverness.  Oh and Log Bombing the Island to single digits.  Can hardly wait for US to join war.  I do have all of metro UK and Northern Ireland, for now.  ;)

Hoping Italian AI takes Crete (they have tried.)  May have to take control of Italian military (at least temp.)

Hoping I have enough units for a grand Barbarossa spearhead.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 17, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
Okay, Habs, not to question your strategy much, but why do you build forts? You are Germany. The maneuvre warfare giant among midgets. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes as W. Allied doctrine brings them up to the 80s in ORG in 1942-43. Unless you are the Soviet Union and need to hold Moscow or something, I've found forts to be a gigantic waste of IC for Germany. Use the coastal forts on the coast and stack 2-3 GAR troops on each and place the old moustached goobers in command and keep two mobile corps in the UK, and you should be able to stave off any liberation attempts and can freely hoard fish & chips at least until 1944.



Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 17, 2009, 02:43:37 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 17, 2009, 12:28:30 PM
Okay, Habs, not to question your strategy much, but why do you build forts? You are Germany. The maneuvre warfare giant among midgets. The longer you wait, the harder it becomes as W. Allied doctrine brings them up to the 80s in ORG in 1942-43. Unless you are the Soviet Union and need to hold Moscow or something, I've found forts to be a gigantic waste of IC for Germany. Use the coastal forts on the coast and stack 2-3 GAR troops on each and place the old moustached goobers in command and keep two mobile corps in the UK, and you should be able to stave off any liberation attempts and can freely hoard fish & chips at least until 1944.

Question me, please.  :D

It was too late by the time I got Scapa Flow, they moved the ANZAC armee on to Stonerway.
12 divs against my 16 w/interdiction strikes and I couldn't quite beat them.  Now they have 25 divs.  I can off and on again control the Sea, so I figured a lvl 5 fort at Inverness (the only prov Stoneyway has access to) with a decent garrison 14-15 divs some INF some GAR (it's Mountain terrain) will keep them at bay for quite sometime.

You think no fort + 2 divs will do the trick? (I would so love it if you do)

I'm comfortable with my defenses there otherwise (1GAR every prov, plus 1 INF every other prov) as the UK AI built coastal forts to 4-5 in most of the provs.


As for Barbarossa, my normal strategy normally wins me a slow bitter peace.  However in the past after my break-throughs I allow myself to get bogged down (mainly because I panic and send the armor all over the place  :Embarrass:)

This time: all armor/motor INF moves in one spearhead to Minsk (INF follows), turns SE and meets up around Kiev with a pure INF spearhead.  Once the Red Army is encircled, I'll send the armor towards the Caucusus.  How do we like??
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 18, 2009, 05:47:37 AM
Barbarossa needs four prongs.

Two Northern, one Central and one Southern.

The first Northern prong wipes out the Baltics and should be one infantry army and two-three mobile corps plus a CAS and a TAC 4-plane support.
This army group goes to Leningrad. If you can get a corps into Finland, fine. The Soviet AI sometimes leaves Leningrad undefended when you rampage through the Baltics.

The second northern/central prong goes to Moscow via Smolensk. This should be two INF armies and four mobile corps. Use the mobile units to break through, the INF to mop up pockets. Avoid the Pripet marshes and just leave some INF corps there to mop up the leftovers.

Why two Southern prongs? Well. One needs to go all the way to the Urals. One needs to bend south into the Caucasus and invade Persia.
For the Caucasus campaign, I suggest getting all the Romanian MTN troops and two corps of MTN, one ARM and two INF armies. The southern/central prong just marches straight ahead. 3 INF armies, at least 4 mobile corps and a couple of INF corps, and Heinrich Himmler is your uncle.
Stalingrad/the Volga is a good place to encircle Stalin.

You will probably notice how air support is left out. Unless you can garrison air bases, don't bother. Losing a 4-TAC under von Richthofen to partisans sucks.

IF you control Italy, don't move a single unit east. They need all the units they can due to low ORG and the British/American menace in North Africa. With Stony Road, you'll get a rather cute event sending Rommel and the DAK to NA.
You'll also be handed control of Graziani and some fairly decent Eye-Tays. When under your control as loans, the Eye-Tays will have German ORG. Push forward and leave the Tommies to burn in the desert sun as Rommel and Graziani toast their success in Jerusalem.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 18, 2009, 05:53:37 AM
Oh, and try and build a carrier or two with supporting CLs.
The Ghost Of Dudley Pound will be roaming around, but with a few carriers and the Bismarck and the Tirpitz at full ORG, you'll sink the majority of the RN outside of Stornoway, leaving the road open to smash, grab, cup a feel and kill the ANZAC and the remaining British army.

With Stony Road, I think there are some "New order" events, bringing partisan levels down to acceptable in the West when you murder civilians and Red Army in the east.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 18, 2009, 04:30:02 PM
 ^_^

Norgy, excellent strategic and tactical advise I shall follow in my next try.  I am afraid my Feldmarshall doctrine would leave you going "op, no, op, NO." :lol:

Truthfully that is somewhat what I did.  Somewhat.

der östliche Krieg

June 20th The Austro-German (I'm thinking of moving my capitol to Wien  :lol:) Imperial Army made it's move on the Soviet.  Four Main thrusts were highly successful. 

North thrust one to Riga, North thrust two to Vilno, Central thrust to Minsk and Southern thrust to Kiev.  Minsk was all armor and soon was joining with the Southern Army at Kiev.  Panzerarmee then moved quickly and with force to the Caucusus region.  Riga was caputred as was Vilno, where that thrust then turned towards Moscow.  A chunk of the Red Army had been encircled.

It is now late Oct '41 - the Baku Red divisions are cut off (unless the caspian allows for supply) Moscow is nearly encircled and I've got Stalingrad.  Leningrad is within reach, and should not be a huge problem.

Next time I won't hand wring about MP (I presently still have 950  :rolleyes:) and build more INF.  I probably could have Leningrad at the moment (I am about to bring the Finns in - error in diplo spending on my part.)

The UK and Commonwealth continue to stack units at Stoneyland Island, but I can probably counter as Dornitz is now a lvl 6 Vice Admiral with 12subs that eat up almost anything they bring on.  They are low on CVs.

I am about to launch a second CV with another on it's way in about 6 months.
Kreigsmarine is 1CV, 2BB, 4CL, 6CA, 8DD with another CV in days.  I'll likely start building more of a Navy to counter possible US entry.  That FDR is none too happy Ive occupied the UK.

It's been the most fun I've ever had!  :w00t:

But like I said at Norgy, most of you would have a Nelly attack over the way I've achieved it thus far.  :lol:  (Tanks in the Caucusus)
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 18, 2009, 07:10:43 PM
Encirclements are the way to go.
The Soviets probably almost have a 2:1 advantage in raw men.

I have used tanks in the Caucasus as well, but the low infra means they're at 0 ORG when they get through there.
:cry:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: HisMajestyBOB on July 19, 2009, 05:37:12 AM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 14, 2009, 05:00:58 PM
:pope:

Monkeybuttpirate and HMBOB both get three, yes three Prada points for their help.

That pipeline is now closed.

Yay!  :)

I've never used Heavy tanks, the early heavies aren't as good as early SP-Art, and by later in the war, it's easier just to upgrade/build more SP-art.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 19, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
Besides encirclements another good way to kill Russkies is to bomb the shit out of them while they are retreating.  Ground support against dug in troops is worthless; you lose about as many planes as the other guy does men.  Ground attack against moving units is fookin deadly.  Also a great way to build up air leader experience.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Norgy on July 20, 2009, 03:16:51 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on July 19, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
Besides encirclements another good way to kill Russkies is to bomb the shit out of them while they are retreating.  Ground support against dug in troops is worthless; you lose about as many planes as the other guy does men.  Ground attack against moving units is fookin deadly.  Also a great way to build up air leader experience.

Yi speaks good words.

Just remember to garrison the fuck out of your airbases. As Germany, planes are damn expensive. Also get beetle-brow liar as armaments minister if you haven't got Schacht already.

And like Yi says, don't bomb an entrenched enemy.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 21, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
I used Rumanian INF'36 to garrison the airfields.

I GOT BITTER PEACE Oct 05, 1942!!  :w00t: :ike: :w00t:

OMGZ! 

I know it's hokey, but I am so proud of myself.  NO cheats, probably not enough INF built for others comfort, but it was done.  I had Soviet Central Asia in my sights as it triggered.  ^_^

This is my first "real" BP.  The first time I got it Sealion had been successful so I acceptall'd a white peace.  This triggers Bitter peace much quicker.


Now to crush the evil and decadent Western Alliance.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 21, 2009, 04:36:52 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 21, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
I used Rumanian INF'36 to garrison the airfields.

I GOT BITTER PEACE Oct 05, 1942!!  :w00t: :ike: :w00t:

OMGZ! 

I know it's hokey, but I am so proud of myself.  NO cheats, probably not enough INF built for others comfort, but it was done.  I had Soviet Central Asia in my sights as it triggered.  ^_^

This is my first "real" BP.  The first time I got it Sealion had been successful so I acceptall'd a white peace.  This triggers Bitter peace much quicker.


Now to crush the evil and decadent Western Alliance.

Congrats. Unleash Manstein into India and Rommel into the Trans-Jordan.

Create Nazi Israel for bonus laughs.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 21, 2009, 07:56:24 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 21, 2009, 04:36:52 PM


Congrats. Unleash Manstein into India and Rommel into the Trans-Jordan.

Create Nazi Israel for bonus laughs.

:lol:

Guess what?  The Italians have take all the Egypt/Trans-Jordan and are working their way back to Addis Ababa!  The US has landed in Moroc, however (thanks to Naval bombers) I've got them down from 48 to 21 transports (according to the chart.)
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 21, 2009, 08:02:19 PM
Iraqi and Iranian oil fields should be your first target(if I was playing). Plus you can put new ship construction in Annexed Iran and form an Indian ocean fleet.

Take the oil fields and advance with the Panzers as far as you can go. One game, I got to take Singapore while the Japanese AI did squat. Makes a nice base for the attack on Japan.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 22, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 21, 2009, 04:36:52 PM

Congrats. Unleash Manstein into India.


Just for farts and giggles (and to rub the allies nose) I did just this.  The slog through Persia took a couple months  :lol: mtns, low infra once occupied and US log bombing.  I thought I'd run into US troops once I hit Bandar Abbas, but all I found was some badly org'd UK troops in Karachi. 

At this point it's almost anti-climatic, but still fun playing "just how much may I take."  :frog:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 22, 2009, 03:10:36 PM
Quote from: Habsburg on July 22, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 21, 2009, 04:36:52 PM

Congrats. Unleash Manstein into India.


Just for farts and giggles (and to rub the allies nose) I did just this.  The slog through Persia took a couple months  :lol: mtns, low infra once occupied and US log bombing.  I thought I'd run into US troops once I hit Bandar Abbas, but all I found was some badly org'd UK troops in Karachi. 

At this point it's almost anti-climatic, but still fun playing "just how much may I take."  :frog:

Once you break 2 or 3 panzerkorps into India, you won't slow down until you hit Burma. Or advancing Japanese.

Also, you can drop Kurt Student on Ceylon once you get a close airfield.  :menace:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Habsburg on July 30, 2009, 10:03:21 PM
I lost my save (saved something over it  :blush:), but this was the most fun I've had.

Got all of India and made it and Pakistan puppets.

Had two nukes and more coming.  Who knows, the globe might have been Grey, Lime green and yellow.  I had reservations about using nukes tho, srlsy.  :blush: :lol:

I'm playing Imperial Soviet Union now, red Europe.  :mmm:
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Valmy on July 31, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
Winning as the Soviets or the Germans is easy.

Now winning as the French that takes talent.
Title: Re: Operation Destroy the bed-wetting communist menace
Post by: Ed Anger on July 31, 2009, 09:13:05 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 31, 2009, 09:11:30 AM
Winning as the Soviets or the Germans is easy.


But oh so fun. Invading America is always a hoot.