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General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: jimmy olsen on July 18, 2017, 12:29:25 AM

Title: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: jimmy olsen on July 18, 2017, 12:29:25 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 12, 2017, 12:42:23 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 11, 2017, 10:56:29 PM
No other elections were happening and the opposition parties boycoted because they knew they'd lose.

That's BS. Let their governor start their Tennessee Plan and let them experience the "no minimum turnout threshold" that the rest of us American citizens get to enjoy.

And they have

http://www.pr51st.com/puerto-rico-chooses-senators-and-congressmen/

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Puerto Rico Chooses Senators and Congressmen


Puerto Rico Governor Rossello is moving ahead with the Tennessee Plan for Puerto Rico. The most recent step in the campaign is the selection of two senators and five congressmen for the new state of Puerto Rico.

This move is part of what's known as the Tennessee Plan, because the territory of Tennessee was the first to use it in an effort to speed up their path to statehood. Congress was dragging its heels in making Tennessee a state, so Tennessee declared itself a state and sent its delegation to Washington.

The delegation was not welcomed, and Congress was firm in denying Tennessee the right to declare itself a state, but it was just a few more months before Congress took action and made Tennessee a state. Since then, a number of other territories, including California and Alaska, have used the Tennessee Plan to gain statehood.

The representatives chosen by the the governor:
•Carlos Romero Barceló, former Resident Commissioner, former Governor of Puerto Rico, former vice-chair of the U.S. Congress Hispanic Caucus
•Pedro Rosselló González, former Governor of Puerto Rico, former chair of the Southern Governors Association
•Charlie Rodriguez Colon, President of the Puerto Rico Senate, chair of the Puerto Rico Democratic Party
•Iván Rodríguez, Baseball Hall of Fame honoree
•Luis Fortuño, former Resident Commissioner, former Governor of Puerto Rico
•Major General Felix Santoni, U.S. Army Outstanding Civilian Service Award
•Zoraida Fonalledas, co-chair of Republican National Committee Growth and Opportunity Projects Commission, National Committeewoman Republican Party of Puerto Rico

This impressive collection of leaders, representing both the Democratic and Republican parties, should be a valuable addition to the U.S. Congress.

Tell your representatives that you support Puerto Rico's demand for statehood
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Josquius on July 18, 2017, 02:32:46 AM
On the one hand it plays well to Trumpite megalomania.
On the other hand dirty furrin Spanish.
:hmm:
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: derspiess on July 18, 2017, 07:52:05 AM
No thanks.  We have enough states as it is.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Syt on July 18, 2017, 07:57:24 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 18, 2017, 07:52:05 AM
No thanks.  We have enough states as it is.

Merge the Dakotas, the Carolinas, and re-unite West Virginia and Virginia.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: garbon on July 18, 2017, 08:01:06 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 18, 2017, 07:57:24 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 18, 2017, 07:52:05 AM
No thanks.  We have enough states as it is.

Merge the Dakotas, the Carolinas, and re-unite West Virginia and Virginia.

Maybe just merge away anything with less than a million residents, so looking at wiki - Wyoming, Delaware, Vermont and the Dakotas. Alaska by virtue of remoteness to stay.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Berkut on July 18, 2017, 08:09:17 AM
The current structure is a dinosaur based on antiquated and largely irrelevant political and economic realities.

Re-map the country to about 30 states that make some kind of geographics and economic sense, and greatly reduce the idea that empty land should have a political voice.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Ed Anger on July 18, 2017, 08:20:07 AM
Send them back to PR without their heads.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: The Larch on July 18, 2017, 08:34:58 AM
Quote from: Berkut on July 18, 2017, 08:09:17 AM
The current structure is a dinosaur based on antiquated and largely irrelevant political and economic realities.

Re-map the country to about 30 states that make some kind of geographics and economic sense, and greatly reduce the idea that empty land should have a political voice.

By that logic how many states should be merged? I guess you could make a massive prairie based one with everything west of the Rockies until Minnesota or so (Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming & Nebraska) that would still have less population than NYC or LA. You can also merge Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana and possibly Georgia, allowing them to use a massive confederate flag as emblem in exchange. In New England you could either make a mega state with everything east of NY state, or just two with Massachusets, Connecticut and Rhode Island forming one, and Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire forming another one.

What else, Kansas + Oklahoma + Missouri + Arkansas? Utah + Colorado + Arizona + New Mexico? Washington + Oregon? Carolinas and Virginias being merged goes without saying.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: garbon on July 18, 2017, 08:51:16 AM
Connecticut, Massachusetts, Minnesota
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Valmy on July 18, 2017, 08:55:13 AM
It was wise to have a mixed Democratic and Republican delegation. Hopefully they can gain enough allies on both sides to reach success.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Valmy on July 18, 2017, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 18, 2017, 08:20:07 AM
Send them back to PR without their heads.

:(

Surely the great Pudge Rodriguez deserves better.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Grey Fox on July 18, 2017, 09:00:50 AM
Does Statehood law require the normal 3-part approvals?
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Ed Anger on July 18, 2017, 09:00:58 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 18, 2017, 08:55:53 AM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 18, 2017, 08:20:07 AM
Send them back to PR without their heads.

:(

Surely the great Pudge Rodriguez deserves better.

We are not inclined to mercy.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: The Larch on July 18, 2017, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2017, 08:51:16 AM
Connecticut, Massachusetts, Minnesota

Happy now?  :P
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: derspiess on July 18, 2017, 11:02:15 AM
Quote from: Syt on July 18, 2017, 07:57:24 AM
Quote from: derspiess on July 18, 2017, 07:52:05 AM
No thanks.  We have enough states as it is.

Merge the Dakotas, the Carolinas, and re-unite West Virginia and Virginia.

:lol:
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Valmy on July 18, 2017, 11:06:59 AM
Why would West Virginia want to be saddled with those East Coast elites?  :mad:
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: garbon on July 18, 2017, 11:26:13 AM
Quote from: The Larch on July 18, 2017, 09:36:43 AM
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2017, 08:51:16 AM
Connecticut, Massachusetts, Minnesota

Happy now?  :P

I originally was only going to look at Connecticut as that's one that American's get wrong given the 2nd c isn't spoken but then noticed the others. :blush:
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Berkut on July 18, 2017, 01:06:10 PM
California is two states, probably Texas as well (maybe merge Oklahoma into North Texas).

Pacific Northwest is one state.

Dakotas plus Montana and most of Idaho? Needs a significant metro area though...

New England.

NYC is a state all by itself.

Arizona/New Mexico/Southern Nevada (Las Vegas).

Middle Eastern Seaboard.

De-centralize DC, and move large chunks of the federal bureaucracy out of it. No reason at all to have it all concentrated in one place anymore.

Florida stands alone.

South could be consolidated into maybe 4 states.

IDeally, we would want each "state" to have one major metro area, and no state should be no more than twice the population of the smallest state, with most being within a few million people of the median.

Don't worry about geographic size, that should not be important.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: garbon on July 18, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Without any consideration for natural resources and land wouldn't you disadvantage some states? Like the NYC state that would have no room for significant population growth and would need to import all life staples from other states.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: alfred russel on July 18, 2017, 02:01:34 PM
Wtf.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: The Brain on July 18, 2017, 02:02:39 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 18, 2017, 01:45:53 PM
Without any consideration for natural resources and land wouldn't you disadvantage some states? Like the NYC state that would have no room for significant population growth and would need to import all life staples from other states.

:D
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: Valmy on July 18, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
Thanks Spicey for turning this into Conference Realignment: State Edition.

Anyway do they have much chance for success. Maybe they could attach it as a rider to the Obama Repeal Bill to make some Democrats vote for it.
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: HVC on July 18, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
You're trying to budget billions to keep poor Latinos out of your country and now you're going to let a whole island in? see, this is why you're losing your world power status :P
Title: Re: Puerto Rico Enacts Tennessee Plan; Sends Reps to Congress, Demands Statehood
Post by: alfred russel on July 18, 2017, 04:16:40 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 18, 2017, 02:04:20 PM
Thanks Spicey for turning this into Conference Realignment: State Edition.


It is a little different. In college football, everyone wants to be Alabama. Outside of college football, not as much.  :P