http://www.independent.co.uk/News/world/americas/women-arkansas-abortion-men-permission-male-us-pro-choice-life-planned-parenthood-termination-a7834861.html
QuoteWomen seeking abortions in Arkansas now need permission from men
Pro-choice campaigners are fighting the law, which comes into force at the end of the month
A new law passed in Arkansas means women must obtain permission from the man who impregnated them before they can have an abortion.
Even in the case of rape, women wishing to terminate a pregnancy would have to seek the opinion of their attacker or abusive partner – who would be able to refuse and potentially block the procedure.
The bill, which was signed into law in March and is set to come into force at the end of July, includes aborted foetuses in a rule stating family members must agree on what to do with the remains of their dead relatives.
Parents of girls under 18 will also be able to decide whether their daughter can have an abortion.
Pro-choice campaigners are fighting the law, which they say is designed to make it more difficult for women to access abortion, under the guise of legal requirements regarding the disposal of embryonic tissue.
A spokesperson for the NARAL advocacy group told the Huffington Post the "plain intention and unavoidable outcome" of the new law is "to make it harder for a woman to access basic health care by placing more barriers between a woman and her doctor".
A legal challenge against the bill launched by civil and reproductive rights organisations will be heard on Thursday.
"Every day, women in Arkansas and across the United States struggle to get the care they need as lawmakers impose new ways to shut down clinics and make abortion unavailable," said the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in a blog post announcing its legal challenge.
"Arkansas women cannot afford to lose further access. They cannot afford to travel hundreds of miles to get to the nearest clinic. And they should not have to endure invasions of privacy and violations of their autonomy."
ACLU is among the groups aiming to freeze this bill and a number of other new abortion laws until a decision is made on their lawsuit.
This includes one signed by governor Asa Hutchinson in January prohibiting the most common abortion procedure used in the second trimester of a pregnancy.
The method known as dilation and evacuation is the safest method of ending a pregnancy, say pro-choice campaigners, but has been called "barbaric" by those who support the law.
Arkansas, a state in the southeastern region of the US with a population of nearly three million, has only four facilities that provide abortion.
Before having an abortion, women in Arkansas must have state-directed counselling and then wait 48 hours before the procedure is provided.
This counselling often includes information designed to discourage her from terminating the pregnancy, according to reproductive rights think tank the Guttmacher Institute.
Public funding is only available for abortion if the mother's life is endangered, or in the case of rape or incest, and health plans offered for under the most basic Affordable Care Act only cover abortion in the same cases.
Donald Trump has stopped US funding for international organisations who provide abortions or even give advice about ending a pregnancy.
Obviously doesn't pass constitutional muster.
Presumably they can go to another state.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 13, 2017, 08:27:34 AM
Presumably they can go to another state.
Still won't pass muster.
Arkansas is bigger than England, it's not so easy.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 13, 2017, 07:52:58 AM
Obviously doesn't pass constitutional muster.
The USSC will rule on that. It will be interesting to see where it leans now.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 13, 2017, 08:31:37 AM
Arkansas is bigger than England, it's not so easy.
See: fireblade. :(
What is wrong with the people of Arkansas? :rolleyes:
Quote from: Caliga on July 13, 2017, 02:18:53 PM
What is wrong with the people of Arkansas? :rolleyes:
Coozes, cunts and whores. Duh.
Easier question - what is right with them?
Arkansas is a beautiful place. Pity about all the people that live there.
Quote from: viper37 on July 13, 2017, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 13, 2017, 07:52:58 AM
Obviously doesn't pass constitutional muster.
The USSC will rule on that. It will be interesting to see where it leans now.
They've already ruled in the past that the father has no right to have any say in whether or not a woman decides to have an abortion.
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
In practice, how does this differ from giving the man a veto?
Quote from: Razgovory on July 14, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
In practice, how does this differ from giving the man a veto?
DPS and the author of the article clearly have different readings of the law. I'm sure you can see a practical difference between refusing the woman an abortion vs bagging the remains to send the father afterwards.
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Tall fellows, those Bushes.
Quote from: Eddie Teach on July 14, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 14, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
In practice, how does this differ from giving the man a veto?
DPS and the author of the article clearly have different readings of the law. I'm sure you can see a practical difference between refusing the woman an abortion vs bagging the remains to send the father afterwards.
I see how the man can say, "I don't agree with any disposal of the remains" thus preventing the abortion all together.
Quote from: Razgovory on July 15, 2017, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on July 14, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 14, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
In practice, how does this differ from giving the man a veto?
DPS and the author of the article clearly have different readings of the law. I'm sure you can see a practical difference between refusing the woman an abortion vs bagging the remains to send the father afterwards.
I see how the man can say, "I don't agree with any disposal of the remains" thus preventing the abortion all together.
'Okay, then I'm leaving them at your place - unless you consider your home a garbage heap.'
Quote from: garbon on July 15, 2017, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 15, 2017, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on July 14, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 14, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
In practice, how does this differ from giving the man a veto?
DPS and the author of the article clearly have different readings of the law. I'm sure you can see a practical difference between refusing the woman an abortion vs bagging the remains to send the father afterwards.
I see how the man can say, "I don't agree with any disposal of the remains" thus preventing the abortion all together.
'Okay, then I'm leaving them at your place - unless you consider your home a garbage heap.'
Exactly. It wouldn't prevent the abortion.
On one hand, it does complicate things, and I can't see how it serves any public purpose, so the Federal courts might strike it down; OTOH, on the face of it, it doesn't actually seem to prevent anyone from getting an abortion, so they might not.
Quote from: garbon on July 15, 2017, 09:51:25 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 15, 2017, 09:46:25 AM
Quote from: Eddie Teach on July 14, 2017, 12:48:19 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on July 14, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
Quote from: dps on July 13, 2017, 05:01:12 PM
If I'm reading this right, though, the Arkansas law doesn't actually require a woman to get the father to agree to her having an abortion; rather, she has to get him to agree on how to dispose of the aborted fetus. No idea how the Federal courts would rule on that; frankly, I'm not sure I see a federal issue there at all.
In practice, how does this differ from giving the man a veto?
DPS and the author of the article clearly have different readings of the law. I'm sure you can see a practical difference between refusing the woman an abortion vs bagging the remains to send the father afterwards.
I see how the man can say, "I don't agree with any disposal of the remains" thus preventing the abortion all together.
'Okay, then I'm leaving them at your place - unless you consider your home a garbage heap.'
I don't get it.
It's Arkansas so the men often have several roles in this process. Makes sense that they should have a bigger say.