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Title: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Caliga on July 06, 2017, 07:04:44 AM
I have recently been reading the book 1493 by Charles Mann and thought some people here might get a kick out of this.  Rather than retype what others have already echoed to the interwebs I figured I'd just link it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/118ims/in_1493_charles_mann_makes_a_brief_mention_of/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/118ims/in_1493_charles_mann_makes_a_brief_mention_of/)
http://happenedstrangely.blogspot.com/2012/02/aztecs-and-samurai.html (http://happenedstrangely.blogspot.com/2012/02/aztecs-and-samurai.html)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5wt1eh/i_recently_heard_that_from_1603_onwards_samurai/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5wt1eh/i_recently_heard_that_from_1603_onwards_samurai/)
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Caliga on July 06, 2017, 07:05:27 AM
I'm also looking forward to everyone telling me I'm so ignorant for having just learned about this. :cool:
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: The Brain on July 06, 2017, 07:10:17 AM
I have a 3D-portrait-in-glass thingy of Date Masamune 6 ft to my right.
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: jimmy olsen on July 06, 2017, 09:25:27 AM
Quote from: Caliga on July 06, 2017, 07:05:27 AM
I'm also looking forward to everyone telling me I'm so ignorant for having just learned about this. :cool:

I recently read an interesting story on Koreans who were sold into domestic servitude too Mexican plantations during the Japanese colonial period. A few ended up in Cuba during the revolution.

Not as cool as your story, but hey, this one actually happened.
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Josquius on July 06, 2017, 09:37:44 AM
I've vaguely heard about this before but no details.
Sucks that there is no movie. Surprising too. Seems right up the Japanese film industry's alley.

It's a very fascinating alternate history scenario that I've never seen satisfactorily explored: what if Japan hadn't closed off to the world.
It was in a very interesting place, more outwards looking and willing to learn from Europe than China but not a push over to be conquered.
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Valmy on July 06, 2017, 09:38:24 AM
That actually makes sense that Japanese Catholics fleeing persecution would hook up with the Spanish :hmm:

History is pretty wild.
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Iormlund on July 06, 2017, 02:31:56 PM
Interesting. Apparently there are about 700 descendants from a Japanese embassy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasekura_Tsunenaga) near Seville. Their last name is Japón (Japan) and their banner features a svastika.
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: The Brain on July 06, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
Mine too! Am I: Japanese? :w00t:
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Malthus on July 06, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
QuoteRonin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico

Sounds like the next Quentin Tarantino movie practically writes itself!
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Admiral Yi on July 06, 2017, 02:45:29 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 06, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
Sounds like the next Quentin Tarantino movie practically writes itself!

:D
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: CountDeMoney on July 06, 2017, 03:31:05 PM
Quote from: Malthus on July 06, 2017, 02:43:44 PM
QuoteRonin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico

Sounds like the next Quentin Tarantino movie practically writes itself!

LOL all that's missing is the early '70's soul soundtrack.
Title: Re: Ronin samurai exiles fighting black dudes in colonial Mexico
Post by: Caliga on July 06, 2017, 06:32:48 PM
All it needs is puerco pibil and a young Salma Hayek and it's a perfect Tarantino-Rodriguez collaboration.