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General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: Josquius on February 28, 2017, 12:37:22 PM

Poll
Question: Who is the good guy?
Option 1: Richard III votes: 7
Option 2: Henry Tudor (VII) votes: 7
Option 3: I know nothing of this event and can't be arsed to research votes: 1
Title: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Josquius on February 28, 2017, 12:37:22 PM
I just watched this documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvBIkhxDMEc

towards the end they're talking about the long standing Richard III society, keen to rehabilitate his image. And a new upstart Henry Tudor society who say no, that this revisionism is nonsense, Henry is the hero.

So.

Yes, yes, history is complicated and not black and white.
But if you have to support one, and assuming that if you choose Richard he will win, so don't let the actual outcome sway you.... Who is the good guy at the close of the Wars of the Roses?
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Valmy on February 28, 2017, 12:38:40 PM
Both kind of suck. But Richard III sucks more. The Yorkists had won and he fucked it up.

So I vote for the Welshman.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Habbaku on February 28, 2017, 12:46:13 PM
The trouble here is deciding based on limited information about Richard.  We have a good snapshot of his brief reign and, with the Princes controversy set aside (I'm not sure where I stand on it, even after reading 3 books on the subject), he seems to have been a good ruler, fair minded, but with some nepotism given to the northerners.

In comparison, we have plenty of information about Henry VII's reign, and can make a far more informed up or down assessment of him.

I would have sided with Richard as the rightful ruler in such a situation, especially knowing the chaos that comes with Henry VIII's reign, but it's not an easy choice.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Yorkist to the bone. Richard III.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Habbaku on February 28, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Yorkist to the bone.

Edward V?  :hmm:
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 28, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Yorkist to the bone.

Edward V?  :hmm:

Sure why not.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Barrister on February 28, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 28, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Yorkist to the bone.

Edward V?  :hmm:
Edward v Who? :unsure:
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: garbon on February 28, 2017, 04:16:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on February 28, 2017, 04:10:51 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on February 28, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 03:51:23 PM
Yorkist to the bone.

Edward V?  :hmm:
Edward v Who? :unsure:
Who is on first.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Knock knock.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: garbon on February 28, 2017, 04:17:26 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 28, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Knock knock.

Why'd the chicken cross the road?
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: viper37 on February 28, 2017, 05:42:48 PM
Richard III.  But just because I didn't want to look like an idiot and vote #3.

:P

I don't know much, not enough about Britannia to have an informed opinion on the matter, sadly.
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Habbaku on February 28, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
Quote from: Tyr on February 28, 2017, 12:37:22 PM
I just watched this documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvBIkhxDMEc

:lol: The presenter's accent is adorable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPGb4STRfKw
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: Solmyr on March 01, 2017, 06:53:33 AM
Richard IV is the rightful King. :contract:

(https://ayearofcelebration.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/richard-iv.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle of Bosworth
Post by: mongers on March 01, 2017, 08:27:16 AM
At least the battle gave us a nice mnemonic.  :bowler: