Poll
Question:
Well?
Option 1: Kneel before Mickey: Star Wars and Marvel
Option 2: The house that weird guys in goofy black costumes built: Star Wars and DC
Option 3: You had me at colorful costumes: Star Trek and Marvel
Option 4: The least popular choice: Star Trek and DC
While we wait for that rough beast to reach Bethlehem, I thought I might do a poll about something other than the most likely way humanity is going to go extinct in the next four years.
Thus, the poll asks one of the most important, nerdiest questions ever: Star Wars or Star Trek. But it also asks another important question: Marvel or DC? How will Star Trek fans align with those who favor Marvel? Will the superiority of Star Wars and Marvel movies outweigh the superiority of Star Trek and DC on television? Was Spaceballs better than Galaxy Quest? Who cares; vote now!
Always preferred Marvel over DC. I like Trek and Wars, but Wars has the slight edge.
Star Wars/DC. I'm a huge Batman fan. :sleep:
Marvel is a million times better than DC in every way.
Star Wars or Trek....I guess Trek edges it. Quantity has a quality of its own.
Star Wars because "duh". DC because I am a huge Batman fan, and imho the best DC comics/movies are better than the best Marvel comics/movies, even if Marvel has overall a stronger stable.
I wonder if it was a conscious editorial decision on DC's part not to go full T&A like Marvel.
I voted Star Trek / DC.
I was never a big comic book guy. I think for a year or two I collected Superman books, but that was about it. Supes was always my favourite, but I don't know how much the "favourite" of a guy who doesn't read many comic books is worth.
I have to hand it to Disney though - the recent run of Marvel movies is miles better than anything Warner/DC has put out. But my vote is based strictly on the comic book / characters side.
Star Trek vs Star Wars - it's hard to pick a favourite as I really love both franchises. But while both are kitschy and lowbrow, Trek could at least sometimes pretend to grapple with weightier issues (like "What does God need with a starship?", which Star Wars could never touch.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 14, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
Star Wars because "duh".
:huh:
Yeah, don't quite get that, either. Particularly how that whole franchise has been in a nosedive since the second act of
Return of the Jedi.
DC has all the super heroes people who are not really into super heroes recognize. Since I am one of those people I prefer DC.
I actually liked two out of three of the last Star Trek films so I guess that gives it a slight leg up over Star Wars.
Star Wars > Star Trek. I just don't get Star Trek's vision of the future of replicators, money-less society and utopia. Scarcity is an essential feature of any society.
No idea what Marvel or DC are.
Quote from: Monoriu on February 14, 2017, 06:05:51 PM
Scarcity is an essential feature of any society.
Please see: China, lack of oxygen in
Star Trek.
Honestly, I doubt I could tell you which of any given superhero or comic book was part of which company. Do people actually pay attention to that?
Quote from: Monoriu on February 14, 2017, 06:05:51 PM
Star Wars > Star Trek. I just don't get Star Trek's vision of the future of replicators, money-less society and utopia. Scarcity is an essential feature of any society.
No idea what Marvel or DC are.
The two biggest superhero comics publishing companies:
Marvel: X-Men, Spiderman, Avengers, Fantastic 4...
DC: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Justice League, Flash...
Voted Star Wars/Marvel. Don't care about DC at all besides Batman, and never got into Star Trek.
If we're talking about just the comics, I much prefer DC to Marvel, however Marvel's movie have been so good that I voted the Marvel/Star Wars option.
Quote from: Berkut on February 14, 2017, 06:29:11 PM
Star Trek.
Honestly, I doubt I could tell you which of any given superhero or comic book was part of which company. Do people actually pay attention to that?
I have never owned a comic book in my life but even I know that :hmm:
I am not even sure how I know that.
For me, Star Wars over Star Trek is easy. I've enjoyed Star Trek, but it's never connected with me the way that Star Wars has. The music of Star Wars alone has had more of an impact on me than Star Trek. Star Wars is the more engaging, meaningful universe.
Marvel v. DC is tougher. Batman is probably my favorite super hero, and the Batman movies are my favorite super hero movies. On the other hand, the Marvel movies are far more consistent, and I find the characters more interesting in general. So the edge goes to Marvel.
Star Wars has more appeal to me than Star Trek although I used to watch the latter a lot too.
Not a big fan of either DC or Marvel. I like the X Men and Batman and that's it. Didn't like Deadpool for example.
Star Trek over Star Wars, easily. I love 'em both, but with Star Wars, well, there's really not much there outside the original trilogy. Three really good to great movies can't outweigh 3 great TV series and several good movies.
Marvel vs DC is tougher. I based it just on the comics, not the movies and went with DC.
Quote from: The Larch on February 14, 2017, 06:45:06 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on February 14, 2017, 06:05:51 PM
Star Wars > Star Trek. I just don't get Star Trek's vision of the future of replicators, money-less society and utopia. Scarcity is an essential feature of any society.
No idea what Marvel or DC are.
The two biggest superhero comics publishing companies:
Marvel: X-Men, Spiderman, Avengers, Fantastic 4...
DC: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Justice League, Flash...
Voted Star Wars/Marvel. Don't care about DC at all besides Batman, and never got into Star Trek.
Thanks :hug:
Quote from: dps on February 15, 2017, 12:30:03 AM
Star Trek over Star Wars, easily. I love 'em both, but with Star Wars, well, there's really not much there outside the original trilogy. Three really good to great movies can't outweigh 3 great TV series and several good movies.
Yeah, I have to lean towards
Star Trek;
Star Wars was a great cinematic experience, and along with a shitload of great toys and merchandising, a cultural event. But in the final analysis and setting aside box office impact,
Star Wars was nothing more than an undergraduate Joseph Campbell lecture and the Battle of Midway.
Star Trek, on the other hand, maintained a consistent albeit uneven presence in pop culture, from reruns to movies to TV series to conventions.
Maybe if George Lucas wasn't so determined to shit all over his creation, my answer would be different. Gene Roddenberry tried as well, but at least he got marginalized in time for
Khan and showed the proper courtesy of dying.
As far as comics go, meh. DC over Marvel, if only because the big iconic superheros are DC, and Marvel is for nerds. Could never keep track of that shit.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 12:53:58 AM
Maybe if George Lucas wasn't so determined to shit all over his creation, my answer would be different. Gene Roddenberry tried as well, but at least he got marginalized in time for Khan and showed the proper courtesy of dying.
Dunno, man, much of Voyager and Enterprise is to Star Trek what the prequels are to Star Wars.
Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2017, 12:57:12 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 12:53:58 AM
Maybe if George Lucas wasn't so determined to shit all over his creation, my answer would be different. Gene Roddenberry tried as well, but at least he got marginalized in time for Khan and showed the proper courtesy of dying.
Dunno, man, much of Voyager and Enterprise is to Star Trek what the prequels are to Star Wars.
No, that is most definitely not even close to being true.
You watch "Threshold" or "Night in Sickbay" and say that again. :P
Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
You watch "Threshold" or "Night in Sickbay" and say that again. :P
Jamaican-Jamaican Binks. The Imperial Japanese Trade Federation Navy. The flying Jew caricature with the eastern European accent.
And that was just the bullshit characters of the first prequel abortion. Don't even get me started on reducing the Force to genetic predisposition.
Star Trek (original series) and Marvel (1963-72), loved both of them at the time.
Babylon 5 and.... I can't decide. I've thoroughly enjoyed a lot of different comics from both companies at different times in my life. They're both good in their own way. I loved the "New" X-Men via X-Men Classics as a kid and the Secret Wars era of the rest of the universe but I also am a huge fan of the Giffen/DeMatteis run on the Justice League books and I'll always love the DC Golden Age characters. Neither really can claim my "favorite" status.
Comic books are for kids. Grow up.
Quote from: Tamas on February 15, 2017, 04:52:13 AM
Comic books are for kids. Grow up.
I was mostly exposed to Marvel via tv shows. I didn't really like comic books as I read too fast, so they seemed like they had a poor ratio of fun to cost.
Star Wars had three very original and for their time great movies and deserves credit for that. It is THE epic adventure in space, but for all relevant purposes it was finished, over, and done in 1983, and even then it had repeated itself.
Star Trek has delivered on average high quality entertainment on all levels: topics, writing, themes, philosophy, characters, actors. Key words: on average. Six decades is a long time.
In the long term, Star Trek has to win in any comparison.
On comics, Marvel, because of Spider Man and X-Men being much more appealing to me in the early 80's.
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 14, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
Star Wars because "duh".
:huh:
It's the most influential western film(s) of our time. It changed the way movies are done in many ways that are still felt to this day (not all good, certainly).
That doesn't mean you have to think Star Trek isn't better - fair enough and some have made good cases for that in here - but it has had nowhere near the same cultural impact. Star Wars was a cultural event.
Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2017, 07:05:43 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2017, 05:21:34 PM
Quote from: celedhring on February 14, 2017, 04:52:13 PM
Star Wars because "duh".
:huh:
It's the most influential western film(s) of our time. It changed the way movies are done in many ways that are still felt to this day (not all good, certainly).
That doesn't mean you have to think Star Trek isn't better - fair enough and some have made good cases for that in here - but it has had nowhere near the same cultural impact. Star Wars was a cultural event.
So I'll just file that all under fan wank.
Star Wars had far more global cultural impact, I am not even sure how this can be debated.
I mean, honestly, if you stop a random person on the street, on which one will they have more knowledge on, by average? Of course Star Wars.
If you ask the "Star Wars vs Star Trek" question in this part of the world, it isn't even a contest. Most people would have seen, or at least heard of Star Wars, and they would have no idea what Star Trek is.
I'm not sure how that's relevant to the question that was posed.
Quote from: garbon on February 15, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
So I'll just file that all under fan wank.
I know it's just you being garbon, but dunno how that follows. I have a big scholarly interest in films (unsurprising given my background). I love daring movies that come out, make things that had never been done before, and become a break in film history. Star Wars was that.
Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2017, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 15, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
So I'll just file that all under fan wank.
I know it's just you being garbon, but dunno how that follows. I have a big scholarly interest in films (unsurprising given my background). I love daring movies that come out, make things that had never been done before, and become a break in film history. Star Wars was that.
Because it is Tim levels of exuberance combined with the question wasn't exactly that. I mean it is an explanation of why you voted the way that you did but still isn't a "duh" as you've put it.
Trek & Marvel.
Not really a comic fan & Batman is an enabler. The Trump of Gotham; so fuck that guy.
Really open question here, innit? I *think* the idea is to see if there is a pattern to people's preferences in opposing ends in two different areas? Is x + a more common than x + b, y + a or y +b?
If "quality" is at stake, I personally question "better known" as a measurement. Manchester United sells a gazillion shirts all over the world but really aren't that good anymore.
Quote from: Delirium on February 15, 2017, 09:41:46 AM
If "quality" is at stake, I personally question "better known" as a measurement. Manchester United sells a gazillion shirts all over the world but really aren't that good anymore.
I just read this out to my employee who is from near Manchester and all she had to say was a curt 'well.' :D
Quote from: garbon on February 15, 2017, 09:27:47 AM
Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2017, 09:16:07 AM
Quote from: garbon on February 15, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
So I'll just file that all under fan wank.
I know it's just you being garbon, but dunno how that follows. I have a big scholarly interest in films (unsurprising given my background). I love daring movies that come out, make things that had never been done before, and become a break in film history. Star Wars was that.
Because it is Tim levels of exuberance combined with the question wasn't exactly that. I mean it is an explanation of why you voted the way that you did but still isn't a "duh" as you've put it.
The question didn't really set the parameters for "betterness", so I think mine are as valid as the others.
"Duh" was a bit of fishing on my part :sleep:
Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2017, 10:11:57 AM
"Duh" was a bit of fishing on my part :sleep:
And you got a live one. :P
A dozen mediocre movies and five mediocre tv shows. "Duh" is right.
Quote from: Grey Fox on February 15, 2017, 09:34:59 AM
Not really a comic fan & Batman is an enabler. The Trump of Gotham; so fuck that guy.
That's just an internet meme where in Batman is a crazy objectivist who gets off on beating up poor people.
In actuality he has invested billions in infrastructure, jobs, education and charity within Gotham.
It's not his fault the city was built on a cursed Indian Burial ground.
Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
You watch "Threshold" or "Night in Sickbay" and say that again. :P
Yeah, there's a reason I referred to "3 great TV series" in my post.
While I find it fascinating that Star Wars was so much bigger outside the US than within it (the story being universal enough that it translated well, I guess), I think Trek the better property (B5 being better than both, obviously :P). Trek's qualities fit the small screen better than the big screen (stories could be deep but weren't broad) and War's mile-wide-inch-deep characterizations worked much better the other way. I like to see the $50 million spent on 50 episodes than a 100-minute blockbuster, but I can see how others would see it differently.
You want to know what the cultural phenomenon that made "break in [it's industry's] history" was in the US, IMO: Twin Peaks. That's what everyone talked about on Fridays. Never saw anything like it, before or since.
And TP is coming back. Wonder how it will fare.
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2017, 07:48:21 PM
You want to know what the cultural phenomenon that made "break in [it's industry's] history" was in the US, IMO: Twin Peaks. That's what everyone talked about on Fridays. Never saw anything like it, before or since.
Well, everybody talked about
LA Law on Fridays too, but I suspect you didn't hang out at that water cooler. :P
FWIW, I would argue that there wouldn't have been a
Twin Peaks if it wasn't for
Miami Vice making it possible by reinventing television.