Ooops.
Still, nothing beyond the pale here, give the man a chance.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/13/politics/michael-flynn-justice-department-warning/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/justice-department-warned-white-house-that-flynn-could-be-vulnerable-to-russian-blackmail-officials-say/2017/02/13/fc5dab88-f228-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.fc01b83eb94e
I feel a little safer tonight. Not by much, but a little.
LOCK HIM UP
Good news. Surprised that he's the first one to go given how close he was to Trump. I expected the more reasonable Mattis to be the first to get the heave to.
Fucking disgrace
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 13, 2017, 11:09:30 PM
Good news. Surprised that he's the first one to go given how close he was to Trump. I expected the more reasonable Mattis to be the first to get the heave to.
Do not compare Mattis to Flynn. Flynn is and has been a POG his whole career
IMO Trump is intimidated by Mattis
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:10:48 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 13, 2017, 11:09:30 PM
Good news. Surprised that he's the first one to go given how close he was to Trump. I expected the more reasonable Mattis to be the first to get the heave to.
Do not compare Mattis to Flynn. Flynn is and has been a POG his whole career
IMO Trump is intimidated by Mattis
I'm not comparing them. I just thought that his very competence and rationality would make it more likely for him and Trump to come to blows (metaphorically) with each other.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
Fucking disgrace
It's not like it hasn't been out there; he went full Colonel Kurtz ages ago. At least getting him out of the picture means his team of wingnuts will wind up going with him.
Now, let's see which batshit fruit cocktail goof he hires in his place.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 13, 2017, 11:09:30 PM
Good news. Surprised that he's the first one to go given how close he was to Trump. I expected the more reasonable Mattis to be the first to get the heave to.
Mattis is on the other side of the river, where it's nice and quiet.
Guys like Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson would resign over Trump's minion's bullshit long before they would need to be fired.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2017, 11:21:40 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:09:56 PM
Fucking disgrace
It's not like it hasn't been out there; he went full Colonel Kurtz ages ago. At least getting him out of the picture means his team of wingnuts will wind up going with him.
Now, let's see which batshit fruit cocktail goof he hires in his place.
Hmmm interesting, I can't even remember who the other pick were.
Nut job Guliani???
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2017, 11:25:14 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 13, 2017, 11:09:30 PM
Good news. Surprised that he's the first one to go given how close he was to Trump. I expected the more reasonable Mattis to be the first to get the heave to.
Mattis is on the other side of the river, where it's nice and quiet.
Guys like Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson would resign over Trump's minion's bullshit long before they would need to be fired.
Not that I'm doubting you, but I doubt it. How can anyone get mixed up in this mess without knowing exactly what they are getting into?
Quote from: sbr on February 13, 2017, 11:27:16 PM
Not that I'm doubting you, but I doubt it. How can anyone get mixed up in this mess without knowing exactly what they are getting into?
A sense of duty. Or, in the case of Tillerson, a sense of shareholder value.
But even he isn't going to put up with Trump's shit. Unlike Der Furor, Rex Tillerson was a real CEO.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2017, 11:33:08 PM
Quote from: sbr on February 13, 2017, 11:27:16 PM
Not that I'm doubting you, but I doubt it. How can anyone get mixed up in this mess without knowing exactly what they are getting into?
A sense of duty. Or, in the case of Tillerson, a sense of shareholder value.
But even he isn't going to put up with Trump's shit. Unlike Der Furor, Rex Tillerson was a real CEO.
Exactly what I was typing.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:26:32 PM
Hmmm interesting, I can't even remember who the other pick were.
Nut job Guliani???
Doubful. Rudy ist kaput. Watch, he'll push again for Betrayeus.
And to think, Flynn was on the short list as Veep once upon a time.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 13, 2017, 11:35:53 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:26:32 PM
Hmmm interesting, I can't even remember who the other pick were.
Nut job Guliani???
Doubful. Rudy ist kaput. Watch, he'll push again for Betrayeus.
And to think, Flynn was on the short list as Veep once upon a time.
Despite his flaws, he not a nut job. However, can he get a clearance?
If he was pegged, I'd have no probs with him.
QuoteMason McCann
@AhMcCann
Reminder that if David Petraeus is made National Security Advisor he'll have to notify his parole officer of a change in employment
Quote from: sbr on February 13, 2017, 11:39:39 PM
QuoteMason McCann
@AhMcCann
Reminder that if David Petraeus is made National Security Advisor he'll have to notify his parole officer of a change in employment
As long as they grant the security clearance.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:38:03 PM
Despite his flaws, he not a nut job. However, can he get a clearance?
He's a liar, too.
Well FUCK. DOES ANYONE TELL THE TRUTH ANYMORE.
McChrystal then.
The truth was McChrystal's problem. :lol:
At least things move quickly with this administration. I mean it was only this afternoon that Flynn had the full confidence of the President.
So who gets to be NSA for the next month?
Maybe they should use their extreme vetting techniques for sensible government positions as well.
Thought this was a good breakdown of Trump's White House
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/the-flynn-resignation/
QuoteThe Flynn Resignation
John Podhoretz / Feb. 13, 2017
Michael Flynn's resignation from his post as national security adviser only 23 days into the Trump tenure is the first acknowledgment from deep inside Trumpworld that what has been going on since the inauguration simply cannot go on.
We've known from the beginning of the Trump campaign that the man stirs up a whirlwind and then rides atop it. Flynn's unfitness for the job, both as a matter of temperament and as a matter of fact given his too-close financial association with Russian interests, was starkly evident from the moment his name was floated for it. The fact that Trump rewarded him with it was one of the earliest signs of the flippancy and carelessness with which the incoming president was handling his new and awesome responsibilities—and how fundamentally he seemed to misunderstand the workings of the White House he was about to take over.
He wants to be thought of as a strong leader, but the instability Trump seems to be breeding with his top-heavy White House staff and its squad of wannabe chiefs-of-staff all vying for position and control is almost literally the opposite of leadership. We are told five different stories a day about what is going on, with Sean Spicer and Kellyanne Conway openly contradicting each other and the intense Stephen Miller popping up on the Sunday morning shows looking and sounding like Captain Queeg trying to figure out who stole the strawberries.
If Trump thinks the word of the White House can be whatever he wishes it to be whenever he wishes it, he is setting himself up for disaster. He too can lose the trust of the people who support him; he too can be considered a denizen of the swamp he promises to drain rather than the man who's draining it. Having everybody lie is a good way to achieve just that. Indeed, it is amusing to consider that Flynn's downfall may have come from him lying to Vice President Pence, since demonstrating a boundless capacity to lie seems to be the sort of thing Trump requires as a display of fealty to him personally rather to any abstract value like the truth.
If this heralds a moment for Trump when he can stop and think and start trying to right the ship by embracing the very simple standard that the White House should speak with one voice and should be open about what it's doing and why, that would be very good news. I leave it to you to place your bet on whether that's possible.
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:26:32 PM
Nut job Guliani???
he's busy reporting on US government cyber intelligence security with his outdated web server easily hacked 100 times over in a day.
Quote from: viper37 on February 14, 2017, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on February 13, 2017, 11:26:32 PM
Nut job Guliani???
he's busy reporting on US government cyber intelligence security with his outdated web server easily hacked 100 times over in a day.
Ah, I forgot. :lol:
Not even a month in and we have the first sacking :lol:
If we live through this then the TV miniseries will be legendary
Netflix can be so happy that they did House of Cards before this presidency.
Inadvertent leaving out of information to the VP.
WTF... :lol: :wacko:
*deep David McCullough-like voice*
"And the President, embattled on all sides merely 3 weeks into his administration, became a victim of his own stubbornness. "
*whiny college professor voice*
"You could say that Trump's own stubbornness, that same stubbornness that proved so vital to him in the election, became his biggest hurdle, which then eventually led to the top national security officer in the country resigning in disgrace over charges of treason."
*lonely violin plays over black and white picture of Michael Flynn, fading*
My sister has attempted to cope with the administration by binge-watching The West Wing, which she never watched when it was on.
Just got a text from her saying she just finished 3 episodes tonight, only to have it immediately washed away as her brain melted by turning on the news to see this craziness. :lol:
So much winning
This smells to me like Flynn is taking one for the team. Pence realized that he could not let it get out that he knew that Flynn talked to the Russians about, essentially, ignoring the sanctions until the trump admin could get around to lifting them, so he had Flynn fall on his sword and say he never told Pence.
I think it unlikely that Flynn would have told a lie he knew would be easily challenged. Pence probably didn't think about the prospect that Flynn was monitored.
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"Spread the word. Now we know how to take those sonsabitches down."
*furious telegraphing*
Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2017, 07:53:42 AM
This smells to me like Flynn is taking one for the team. Pence realized that he could not let it get out that he knew that Flynn talked to the Russians about, essentially, ignoring the sanctions until the trump admin could get around to lifting them, so he had Flynn fall on his sword and say he never told Pence.
I think it unlikely that Flynn would have told a lie he knew would be easily challenged. Pence probably didn't think about the prospect that Flynn was monitored.
As much as as I'm inclined to believe the worst when it comes to Russian infiltration of the White House, I'm not sure about that. I would think that when you make someone take one for the team, you don't humiliate them publicly too much. Also, Pence seems like the guy you have to go around if you want to have your nefarious dealings with Russia.
Quote from: DGuller on February 14, 2017, 09:12:41 AM
As much as as I'm inclined to believe the worst when it comes to Russian infiltration of the White House, I'm not sure about that. I would think that when you make someone take one for the team, you don't humiliate them publicly too much. Also, Pence seems like the guy you have to go around if you want to have your nefarious dealings with Russia.
So you think Flynn lied to Pence, knowing his lie would be exposed? It is certainly possible (Flynn could have wanted to get fired, or thought that either pence wouldn't care about being lied to, or trump would protect Flynn from an angry Pence), but I don't see how it passes Occam's test. I think it likelier that Pence was the one who didn't understand that the secret could not be kept.
When he says "he took one for the team" it's not Future President Pence he's referring to.
Why is it so obvious that Flynn's lie to Pence would be exposed?
I don't think any of these dumbasses have clue #1 about how to keep their lies straight between each other, or any idea (or care) that none of them probably believes anything the other ones of them say - that is what happens when you have a court driven by the need to lie to the liar in chief more effectively than the other liars.
I think lying to Pence is probably something Flynn would do without thinking twice about it.
However, I am also very aware that none of it makes any real sense from an outside, rational viewpoint.
So I would not be at all surprised to find out that they all knew all along exactly what was going on. Nor would I be surprised to find out they are all incompetent enough to NOT know they were being lied to, or really any combination of those factors.
Flynn is a nut case, so who knows why he does anything. The fucker thought that Clinton was running a child pornography ring out of a DC pizzeria.
Quote from: Berkut on February 14, 2017, 10:17:53 AM
Why is it so obvious that Flynn's lie to Pence would be exposed?
I don't think any of these dumbasses have clue #1 about how to keep their lies straight between each other, or any idea (or care) that none of them probably believes anything the other ones of them say - that is what happens when you have a court driven by the need to lie to the liar in chief more effectively than the other liars.
I think lying to Pence is probably something Flynn would do without thinking twice about it.
However, I am also very aware that none of it makes any real sense from an outside, rational viewpoint.
So I would not be at all surprised to find out that they all knew all along exactly what was going on. Nor would I be surprised to find out they are all incompetent enough to NOT know they were being lied to, or really any combination of those factors.
All phone calls to and from the Russian embassy (or any embassy anywhere in the world) are monitored and recorded. Multiple people besides Flynn and the Russian ambassador knew that they discussed the sanctions.
Flynn was from the intelligence community. He knew that, if he denied that he had discussed the sanctions, it would leak that he was lying about that. So, he "couldn't remember." Pence is much less likely to have realized that the discussion about sanctions could be kept secret, so he said that he had been told that there were no such discussions.
Now, Flynn could have lied to pence, knowing that it would be exposed as a lie, or Pence could have lied about what Flynn told him, not knowing that others were in a position to expose the lie. In either case, i would expect Flynn to be the one with the sword through his belly. Which case is likely depends on your perceptions of the men involved, i guess.
Quote from: grumbler on February 14, 2017, 07:53:42 AM
This smells to me like Flynn is taking one for the team. Pence realized that he could not let it get out that he knew that Flynn talked to the Russians about, essentially, ignoring the sanctions until the trump admin could get around to lifting them, so he had Flynn fall on his sword and say he never told Pence.
I think it unlikely that Flynn would have told a lie he knew would be easily challenged. Pence probably didn't think about the prospect that Flynn was monitored.
I really don't get this at all. I do understand the rumors and speculation that Trump is compromised with the Russians. But putting that aside for a moment, negotiating the lifting of sanctions is what the administration should be doing - the point is to coerce the Russians into line with international norms and to deter future violations. If Russia is willing to make concessions to those ends, we should be talking to them about easing or removing the sanctions.
I get there is a violation of law as Flynn wasn't yet technically in the administration--but with everything going on is that really the one horrible no no?
If Flynn was going rogue, that doesn't make any sense to me...he can work out whatever private deal he wants with the Russians, but he can't lift the sanctions. Why would he have anything to lie about?
1. New sanctions against Russia
2. Basically minutes after that, Flynn is on the phone with his Russian buddy.
That just SCREAMS something is not right. He seems absolutely eager not to negotiate, but to placate.
Quote from: Tamas on February 14, 2017, 11:18:26 AM
1. New sanctions against Russia
2. Basically minutes after that, Flynn is on the phone with his Russian buddy.
That just SCREAMS something is not right. He seems absolutely eager not to negotiate, but to placate.
No, it just screams stupidity. This is a guy who'd been brought on paid trips to Russia for speaking engagements (with or without quotation marks), appeared on RT... and a round of relatively minor sanctions would bring this guy into open comms over a consular landline (which could safely be assumed to be monitored)? The KGB hasn't been gone that long, and the FSB is better than that.
The only way this makes any tactical sense is if Flynn's a distraction or a disposable courier. Given that Manafort and Page both got used up for the same kind of connections during the campaign, I'm inclined to think the latter.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319484-breitbart-puts-priebus-on-notice
QuoteBreitbart puts Priebus on notice
Breitbart, the populist right-wing website once led by President Trump's chief strategist Steve Bannon, published a blistering report on Tuesday blaming chief of staff Reince Priebus for administration stumbles and speculating that his time in the administration may be short.
Matthew Boyle, Breitbart News's Washington political editor, citing unnamed sources close to the president, reported that Priebus may be next on the chopping block after the Monday night resignation of national security adviser Michael Flynn.
The unnamed sources in the report allege that Priebus is responsible for the rocky rollout and legal troubles that have ensnared the president's executive action that temporarily bans refugees from seven Muslim countries.
The Breitbart sources said Priebus was brought into the White House for his connections to Capitol Hill, and is therefore responsible for the slow pace of Cabinet confirmations and the early reluctance by GOP lawmakers to tackle Trump's big-ticket initiatives.
And they blamed Priebus for the damaging leaks coming out of the White House. One unnamed Breitbart source described the leakers as a network of "sleeper cells" and said that Priebus knows who offenders are but has refused to do anything about them.
"All of this could derail Trump's presidency if he doesn't fix it soon, and quickly bring in someone new as Chief of Staff who can smooth out the rocky start and get things back on track sooner rather than later," Boyle wrote.
The broadside against Priebus and his allies, including White House press secretary Sean Spicer, comes amid ongoing reports of a power struggle between competing spheres of influence within the White House.
There is a seemingly daily struggle playing out in anonymously-sourced media reports between the Bannon and Priebus camps in the White House over whose political power is on the rise, who is to blame for missteps, and who might become a casualty of Trump's management style, which is famously driven by pitting opposing forces against one another.
Bannon, the former Breitbart News executive, has a powerful ally in his former news outlet, which relishes making life difficult for more establishment GOP leaders like Priebus and Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).
Bannon has brought several former Breitbart News reporters into the White House with him. He is also said to be close with Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, and works closely with policy adviser Stephen Miller, who Trump praised this week for defending his executive actions on the Sunday morning political talk shows. Over the weekend, Breitbart ran a story featuring prominent conservatives like Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter praising Miller.
The Priebus wing, meanwhile, entered the White House facing deep suspicion from the Breitbart contingent and others in Trump's inner circle, who view the former Republican National Committee chairman as a representative of the GOP establishment.
Priebus backed Trump in the primary even before he became the party's official nominee, but there has long been a sense among the president's true-believers that he was never fully on board.
Breitbart's report is further evidence that key figures in the national populist movement would love to see Priebus jettisoned from the president's inner circle. That starts with casting blame on Priebus for high-profile White House stumbles in a news outlet that the president likes to read.
"Multiple sources close to President Trump with internal knowledge of White House operations told Breitbart News on Monday night that the buck stops with Priebus when it comes to the botched rollout of the executive order temporarily banning most travel to the United States from seven nations with a history of exporting terrorism and temporarily halting the refugee program," Boyle wrote.
"These sources with inner workings of the White House and others independently confirm that President Trump has been privately critical of Priebus in many settings, asking questions about his performance in the position. That's not all: Others say that Priebus is having a seriously difficult time communicating with all sides of the Republican Party, and cannot effectively build relationships across the divide to unite the Trump coalition."
Breitbart's claim that Priebus is responsible for the the slow Cabinet confirmation process on Capitol Hill earned a testy rebuke from Spicer, who only days earlier sat with the news outlet for an exclusive interview in the White House.
"What are you talking about? What possibly could have been done to get [attorney general] Sessions done quicker? Is there some way he could have made Democrats vote?" Spicer said in an email to Boyle.
Trump went out of his way this week to gave Priebus a public vote of confidence after one of his friends, Newsmax founder Chris Ruddy, said Priebus looked like he is in over his head.
"Reince is doing a great job. Not a good job. A great job," Trump told reporters.
Ruddy later walked the remarks back—albeit, according to Axios, only after a "pleading call" from Priebus.
Ruddy's remarks and Breitbart's story aren't the only signs that some aligned with Trump want Priebus out. Roger Stone Jr., an informal Trump adviser, tweeted Tuesday that Priebus had organized a "purge" of Flynn that represented a new "Pearl Harbor" for Trump allies.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 14, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
Flynn is a nut case, so who knows why he does anything. The fucker thought that Clinton was running a child pornography ring out of a DC pizzeria.
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The knives are out in the WH.
I wonder which side will be left standing :hmm:
Quote from: citizen k on February 14, 2017, 02:11:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 14, 2017, 10:34:17 AM
Flynn is a nut case, so who knows why he does anything. The fucker thought that Clinton was running a child pornography ring out of a DC pizzeria.
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:lol:
Oh man. Are we forced into having a world where everyone important is a twittertard now? :Embarrass:
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 14, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
Oh man. Are we forced into having a world where everyone important is a twittertard now? :Embarrass:
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Quote from: MadImmortalMan on February 14, 2017, 04:40:37 PM
Oh man. Are we forced into having a world where everyone important is a twittertard now? :Embarrass:
It isn't Hillary but staffers. When she tweeted she used an H to mark it. So yes, we are in a stage where famous people have employees that tweet for them.
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 14, 2017, 03:13:50 PM
The knives are out in the WH.
I wonder which side will be left standing :hmm:
I don't know, but I am sure we will find out during a special 2-hour live broadcast. ARE YOU NOT SURPRISED
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 14, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: FunkMonk on February 14, 2017, 03:13:50 PM
The knives are out in the WH.
I wonder which side will be left standing :hmm:
I don't know, but I am sure we will find out during a special 2-hour live broadcast. ARE YOU NOT SURPRISED
And the Last Side Standing is...
Team Pence!
I'm waiting for Bannon and Mr. Ivanka to go after each other.
Trump has assembled a true Team of Rivals
Quote
Lauer picked apart inconsistencies in Conway's remarks, at one point commenting 'that makes no sense,' on the 'Today' show Tuesday.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=matt%20lauer%20kellyanne%20conway&&view=detail&mid=CFB84B6B48E68F6F2296CFB84B6B48E68F6F2296&FORM=VRDGAR
Give 'em the heater Matt.
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Heyyy sports fans. Looks like Kellyanne has lost a little of her mustard.
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I want that NSA job. Just to be near Hope Hicks and woo her.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 14, 2017, 08:30:44 PM
I want that NSA job. Just to be near Hope Hicks and woo her.
She'll wind up getting caught in this mess, too.
Lol, if this is true it looks like Pence really is being ignored by Trump. :lmfao:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/mike-pence-told-about-flynn-warning-11-days-after-trump-n720836
Quote
The White House kept Vice President Pence in the dark for weeks about the warning it had gotten about national security adviser Michael Flynn from the Justice Department, Pence's press secretary, Marc Lotter, said Tuesday.
Pence did not find out until Feb. 9. Trump was first informed about the Justice Department's concerns regarding Flynn on Jan. 26, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said at Tuesday's daily press briefing.
Flynn's actions as President Donald Trump's short-lived national security adviser are under scrutiny after he resigned Monday night over phone calls he shared with Russia's ambassador to the United States in December — before Trump took office. Among the topics discussed included U.S. sanctions imposed by the Obama administration against Moscow for its alleged role in the 2016 presidential election.
The date the vice president knew is significant because it is when the administration became aware that the Washington Post was about to publish a heavily-sourced story that confirmed Flynn and the Russian ambassador discussed sanctions, despite public denials from Flynn and other incoming senior administration officials including Pence, then the vice president-elect.
Flynn's departure — so far the most high-profile of Trump's senior team — comes after the White House said he misled Pence and other senior administration officials about information he shared with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Flynn had claimed that he had no substantial communication with Kislyak, which Pence later repeated to various news outlets.
In his resignation letter, Flynn, a retired Army lieutenant general, said "the fast pace of events" was to blame for his inadvertently briefing Pence and others with "incomplete information regarding my phone calls with the Russian Ambassador."
The Washington Post reported Monday that the Justice Department, led by then-Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, informed the White House last month that Flynn was not entirely forthcoming about the calls or their substance — opening him up to the possibility of blackmail by the Kremlin.
Yates also reportedly was concerned that Flynn could have violated the Logan Act of 1799, a rarely used law that bars unauthorized U.S. citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. However, a senior intelligence official told NBC News last week that there had been no finding that Flynn acted illegally.
Trump fired Yates on Jan. 30 after she directed Justice Department lawyers not to defend the president's executive order on immigration.
Flynn's calls with the Russian ambassador were leaked in a Jan. 12 op-ed in The Post.
Spicer said Tuesday the White House counsel undertook an "exhaustive review" and determined that Flynn hadn't violated any laws, but he still weighed whether Flynn could remain effective.
"We got to a point not based on a legal issue, but based on a trust issue, with the level of trust between the president and General Flynn had eroded to a point where [Trump] felt he had to make a change," Spicer said. "The president was very concerned that General Flynn had misled the vice president and others."
Trump counselor Kellyanne Conway also tried to distance the administration from Flynn on Tuesday morning, saying on TODAY that he was at fault after providing incomplete information and not being able to recall what occurred on his phone calls.
She was pressed repeatedly on why Flynn was left in his post — and continued to retain the president's trust — even after the Justice Department sounded an alarm.
"That's one characterization," Conway said. "But the fact is that General Flynn continued in that position and was in the presidential daily briefings, was part of the leader calls as recently as [Monday] ... and as time wore on, obviously the situation had become unsustainable."
Flynn has been replaced by retired Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg as acting national security adviser.
I bet Pence wants to be kept in the dark so that he won't perjure himself during the inevitable impeachment trials.
Pence is not family. Trump is not that complicated, people.
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject. If he lied, he's really fucked.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject. If he lied, he's really fucked.
But did he have a private e-mail server?
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 08:16:53 AM
Pence is not family. Trump is not that complicated, people.
and you know, a religious nut.
This is not beyond the pale. You guys need to give Trump a chance.
</derspeiss>
The NYT has come up with a time line of events vs. what was publically known at each point.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/14/us/politics/flynn-call-russia-timeline.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject. If he lied, he's really fucked.
it's not a crime to lie to the police. Especially given the FBI hostility toward el leader supremo. Any one close to Trump is a target and should watch his back. CIA, FBI, NSA, NYT, WSP, SNL, ABC, NBC, CBS, they're all against Trump and anyone close to him is fair game. He's got good reason to lie to the ennemy.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject. If he lied, he's really fucked.
Won't Sessions be the one to decide to prosecute or not?
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 03:13:33 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2017, 12:39:53 PM
So Flynn was questioned by the FBI on this subject. If he lied, he's really fucked.
it's not a crime to lie to the police. Especially given the FBI hostility toward el leader supremo. Any one close to Trump is a target and should watch his back. CIA, FBI, NSA, NYT, WSP, SNL, ABC, NBC, CBS, they're all against Trump and anyone close to him is fair game. He's got good reason to lie to the ennemy.
It's a crime to lie to the FBI.
you are right, I thought it wasn't a crime, but it says here it is a crime, just rarely prosecuted:
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According to Criminal Law Lawyer Source, "it is a criminal offense to lie to a federal government official....Title 18 of the US Code, Section 1001, a favorite of federal prosecutors, makes it unlawful to lie to a government agent." The Department of Justice has a policy not to charge people with "false statements to a federal investigator" for denying guilt upon questioning from the FBI. One legal article says the charge is a "commonly used federal charging statute, Section 1001. This statute makes it a crime to 'knowingly and willfully' give false statements in any matter under federal jurisdiction."
http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/michael-flynn-fbi-lying-russia-crime-felony-investigation-into-whether-lied-lie-scooter-libby/
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2017, 02:04:11 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/319484-breitbart-puts-priebus-on-notice
QuoteBreitbart puts Priebus on notice
... apparently not.
QuoteBannon, who was executive chairman of Breitbart before becoming Donald Trump's chief strategist, slammed the right-wing website on Wednesday for a report suggesting that White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus might lose his job.
"Not upset - livid," is how Bannon described his feelings about the article to CNN. "The story is totally untrue. Reince is doing a great job. I couldn't ask any more from a partner."
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/15/media/steve-bannon-breitbart-matt-boyle-reince-priebus/index.html
Wait. Wait. Breitbart making false news?? What a shocker!
It sucks to have Breitbart lie about you. Sorry Bannon.
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
you are right, I thought it wasn't a crime, but it says here it is a crime, just rarely prosecuted:
I'm sure David Petraeus wishes he could agree with you.
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
Wait. Wait. Breitbart making false news?? What a shocker!
I don't think it's fake news, it was probably the usual "send a message with barely plausible deniability" play that is so common in all Byzantine political games.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
you are right, I thought it wasn't a crime, but it says here it is a crime, just rarely prosecuted:
I'm sure David Petraeus wishes he could agree with you.
he was never charged, he pleaded guilty to unauthorized removal and retention of classified information.
Quote from: DGuller on February 15, 2017, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
Wait. Wait. Breitbart making false news?? What a shocker!
I don't think it's fake news, it was probably the usual "send a message with barely plausible deniability" play that is so common in all Byzantine political games.
yes, I thought about it, since they said elsewhere Trump is reading Breitbart. It's just funny that Bannon is complaining Breitbart is writing falsehoods now. :)
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
you are right, I thought it wasn't a crime, but it says here it is a crime, just rarely prosecuted:
I'm sure David Petraeus wishes he could agree with you.
he was never charged, he pleaded guilty to unauthorized removal and retention of classified information.
That's what's called a plea agreement: so he could avoid the charges for lying to the FBI. That's how filthy lying cockfucks like Petraeus avoid jail time.
Quote from: DGuller on February 15, 2017, 08:21:34 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:46:58 PM
Wait. Wait. Breitbart making false news?? What a shocker!
I don't think it's fake news, it was probably the usual "send a message with barely plausible deniability" play that is so common in all Byzantine political games.
Yeah, these Americans need to get used to Kremlin politics. In an environment where the only requirement for a job/position is loyalty to the guy who put you there, articles like that simply not go live without permission from above.
It's a form of communication within the leadership.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 08:37:24 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2017, 08:21:28 PM
Quote from: viper37 on February 15, 2017, 07:42:16 PM
you are right, I thought it wasn't a crime, but it says here it is a crime, just rarely prosecuted:
I'm sure David Petraeus wishes he could agree with you.
he was never charged, he pleaded guilty to unauthorized removal and retention of classified information.
That's what's called a plea agreement: so he could avoid the charges for lying to the FBI. That's how filthy lying cockfucks like Petraeus avoid jail time.
:yes: