Seedy, this thread is just for you :hug:
QuoteBEIJING — China will gradually stop the processing and sales of ivory for commercial purposes by the end of 2017, according to the central government website on Dec 30.
The decision came after the country imposed a three-year ban on ivory imports in March this year in an escalated fight against illegal trading of wild animals and plants.
The move will affect the country's 34 processing enterprises and 143 designated trading venues, with dozens to be closed by the end of March 2017, according to an official with the State Forestry Administration.
Before that deadline, law enforcement agencies will continue to clamp down on illegalities associated with the elephant's tusk, the official said.
http://english.gov.cn/policies/latest_releases/2016/12/31/content_281475529438291.htm
QuoteAnimal welfare and conservation groups worldwide are applauding China's decision.
World Wildlife Foundation president and CEO Carter Roberts called it "a game changer for elephant conservation".
In a press release, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Asia Director, Aili Kang wrote, "This is great news that will shut down the world's largest market for elephant ivory. I am very proud of my country for showing this leadership that will help ensure that elephants have a fighting chance to beat extinction."
The Chinese government also plans to launch a public awareness campaign about the brutalities of the ivory trade to discourage consumers, a move through which conservation groups have seen success in China in the past.
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-12/31/11/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web-05/sub-buzz-3154-1483200658-1.jpg?no-auto)
The IFAW's influential anti-ivory PSA. International Fund for Animal Welfare / Via voices.nationalgeographic.com
A four-year anti-ivory campaign by the International Fund for Animal Welfare — which depicted a young elephant excited about his new tusks walking with his mother — reached 75% of the urban Chinese population.
A 2013 survey showed that this specific PSA had reduced the number of Chinese people likely to purchase ivory from 54% of the population to 26%.
If this isn't enforced diligently then the price will just rise due to commerce being driven underground and poaching will increase.
Time to stockpile ivory soup.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 05, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
If this isn't enforced diligently then the price will just rise due to commerce being driven underground and poaching will increase.
From the article:
QuoteThe Chinese government also plans to launch a public awareness campaign about the brutalities of the ivory trade to discourage consumers, a move through which conservation groups have seen success in China in the past.
Quote from: The Brain on January 05, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
Time to stockpile ivory soup.
Chopsticks. I used ivory chopsticks when I was a kid.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 05, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
If this isn't enforced diligently then the price will just rise due to commerce being driven underground and poaching will increase.
That isn't how economics works.
The price may rise in China, but that is because the middlemen and distributors will make more money due to the increased risk and cost of doing business. Demand in China will almost certainly fall, which means reduced demand for the products of poaching, and ultimately a lower price paid to the poachers.
China is probably just trying to focus on importing the much more critical tiger penis and rhino horn, with ivory being a distraction.
Quote from: alfred russel on January 06, 2017, 12:22:08 AM
China is probably just trying to focus on importing the much more critical tiger penis and rhino horn, with ivory being a distraction.
They serve different markets ;)
Tiger penis is believed to be as good as viagra. It might have worked on a psychological level, but everybody knows there aren't any tiger penis available now.
Rhino horn is sometimes used in traditional Chinese medicine to deal with fever, but it is certainly not a crucial ingredient. It is used basically to overcharge patients as it is an expensive ingredient (hey we are giving you something really good so you need to pay more.)
Ivory is used primary for carving or as chopsticks. There is a myth that ivory can detect poison, but it mostly acts as a status good.
Quote from: Jacob on January 05, 2017, 06:23:27 PM
Seedy, this thread is just for you :hug:
Pros: the younger generations are becoming more sensitive to environmental and animal conservancy. :)
Cons: fuckers have got to be working an angle. :mad:
Even if this does work they'll just replace the ivory from a different animal. Gonna be a bad time to be a walrus.
My father-in-law has one of these crazy multi-layered "ball within a ball within a ball" ivory balls. Every individual ball is separate and movable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzvm_IDqyF8
Eating soup with chopsticks helps keep you slim :cool:
Quote from: The Brain on January 06, 2017, 03:25:49 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 05, 2017, 07:50:08 PM
Quote from: The Brain on January 05, 2017, 06:38:08 PM
Time to stockpile ivory soup.
Chopsticks. I used ivory chopsticks when I was a kid.
Isn't a spoon better?
I have never seen an ivory spoon, though I used a spoon that was made of jade. It looked great, but the hotel soon phased out all the jade spoons and bowls. My guess is that they broke too easily.
Quote from: HVC on January 06, 2017, 02:17:02 AM
Even if this does work they'll just replace the ivory from a different animal. Gonna be a bad time to be a walrus.
Oh fuck. I am the walrus.
Hello!
Quote from: alfred russel on January 06, 2017, 04:53:21 AM
Quote from: HVC on January 06, 2017, 02:17:02 AM
Even if this does work they'll just replace the ivory from a different animal. Gonna be a bad time to be a walrus.
Oh fuck. I am the walrus.
Goo goo g'joob.
Hope they actually follow through with it and do a good job of policing.
Stands as a good test of Chinese rule of law and anti-corruption work as well as being a great environmental move.
Quote from: Tyr on January 06, 2017, 07:28:20 AM
Hope they actually follow through with it and do a good job of policing.
Stands as a good test of Chinese rule of law and anti-corruption work as well as being a great environmental move.
It is a good bet that Chinese rule of law is different from what you think :sleep:
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
It is a good bet that Chinese rule of law is different from what you think :sleep:
I'd be curious what you think the Chinese rule of law is like.
Quote from: Jacob on January 06, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
It is a good bet that Chinese rule of law is different from what you think :sleep:
I'd be curious what you think the Chinese rule of law is like.
It is more like rule by law. The leader, the rich and powerful, the party, those in charge etc are above the law.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 06, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
It is a good bet that Chinese rule of law is different from what you think :sleep:
I'd be curious what you think the Chinese rule of law is like.
It is more like rule by law. The leader, the rich and powerful, the party, those in charge etc are above the law.
I don't think that differs substantial from the mainstream view of China...?
Quote from: Jacob on January 06, 2017, 02:12:04 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 02:02:36 PM
Quote from: Jacob on January 06, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 08:35:14 AM
It is a good bet that Chinese rule of law is different from what you think :sleep:
I'd be curious what you think the Chinese rule of law is like.
It is more like rule by law. The leader, the rich and powerful, the party, those in charge etc are above the law.
I don't think that differs substantial from the mainstream view of China...?
Isn't it different from how the west understand the concept? :unsure:
Yeah.... That sounds pretty much like how everyone believes China to be. Which I think odds are good is an image china would like to change.
Please TRY to communicate. Jesus.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 02:25:30 PM
Isn't it different from how the west understand the concept? :unsure:
It is different from how the West understands the concept, yes - but it is not like there's been a dearth of coverage of how China functions and how it implements the rule of law.
Well even if I had never read any coverage on China I have been reading your posts on the place for a decade plus Mono so I think I get it.
Quote from: Valmy on January 06, 2017, 02:40:15 PM
Well even if I had never read any coverage on China I have been reading your posts on the place for a decade plus Mono so I think I get it.
There are so many things that I want to convince you guys that I have so far failed :P
Quote from: Monoriu on January 06, 2017, 02:24:04 AM
My father-in-law has one of these crazy multi-layered "ball within a ball within a ball" ivory balls. Every individual ball is separate and movable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzvm_IDqyF8
My parents had one of those. Mind boggling craftsmanship.