I don't think we have one, so I'm creating one. In Finland, we elected our Trump already last year (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38155965).
QuoteFinnish PM Sipila caught up in press freedom row
30 November 2016
Finland's Prime Minister Juha Sipila has denied allegations that he tried to suppress coverage of allegations against him and his family.
Mr Sipila has already rejected claims of a conflict of interest over a contract awarded by a state-run mine to a steel company owned by his relatives.
But the case has now also placed him at the heart of a censorship row.
It has emerged that Mr Sipila sent a series of emails to public broadcaster YLE to complain about its coverage.
Finland has been rated highest in the World Press Freedom index for the past five years.
The prime minister told reporters on Wednesday that he had not tried to limit press freedom or influence the broadcaster, but said he had not been given a fair opportunity to comment on the allegations against him.
According to YLE, Mr Sipila also felt that its coverage had given an impression that he or his relatives had acted fraudulently.
A conflict of interest?
- Finnish government injected €100m (£85m; $106m) into struggling, taxpayer-funded mining company Terrafame in eastern Finland
Terrafame awarded €500,000 contract to Katera Steel, owned by relatives of Juha Sipila
Mr Sipila denies wrongdoing: "I know I have not been improper or biased in this case"
Finland's chancellor of justice and parliamentary ombudsman have been asked to investigate allegations of conflict of interest
The Suomen Kuvalehti website reported on Wednesday that the prime minister had sent a string of critical messages late on 25 November to a YLE reporter covering the story.
A news story written by the public broadcaster on Friday night assessing allegations of a conflict of interest involving Mr Sipila was dropped, the website said. A further story written on Monday morning about the prime minister's emails was also shelved, it added, citing three sources at YLE.
Finnish talk show host Ruben Stiller complained on Twitter on Friday that he had been barred from raising the issue on his weekly programme.
YLE's news and current affairs editor Atte Jaaskelainen responded to the allegations with a lengthy piece denying that the broadcaster had been silenced. The story had led all YLE's platforms for four days, he argued, insisting that the prime minister's emails had played no part in its coverage.
However, he said the broadcaster had decided not to publish stories questioning whether Mr Sipila should have not taken part in decisions on contracts awarded to his relatives' steel company.
That was because YLE had decided to wait until investigations had been carried out into whether there had been a conflict of interest. Mr Stiller returned to Twitter on Wednesday to say the ban on him covering the story had been lifted.
Basically, our PM is a millionaire businessman who is leading the Center Party (which has big support in rural areas and outside of major cities). He has been PM since the parliament elections in summer 2015. His government also includes the National Coalition Party (center-right) and True Finns Party (nationalist/populist/racist). The government has generally pursued a policy of major cuts to various benefits while lowering taxes on the rich. An unusual number of the government's law proposals were also contrary to the constitution and had to be revoked. Finland does not have a constitutional court, but instead has a constitutional panel consisting of MPs. And today, there were also news that the Chancellor of Justice's advice on constitutional legality was sidelined by the government.
So yeah, Finland is kinda following in the footsteps of Hungary and Poland at the moment. :P
*necro*
Our left-leaning government resigned on the weekend due to some mess with the national post office work agreements and pressure from the right-wing opposition. Well, it was technically the Prime Minister Antti Rinne (Social Democrat) resigning. However, the same parties are forming a new government with a new PM Sanna Marin, who is even more left-leaning. She is also expected to replace Rinne as chairperson of the Social Democratic party next summer. Now the government parties will all be led by women, with four out of five of them under 35 years old. :wub: The right-wing old farts all over social media are in a state of rage. :lmfao:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELSvHJrXUA8B0wH.jpg)
The new PM is also the youngest in the world, and this has been noted internationally. She was also raised in a family with two mothers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/09/world/europe/finland-prime-minister-sanna-marin.html
What's it like not living in a gerontocracy?
32 might be a little young, but what the hell she probably has far more experience than reality TV personality.
Li Andersson has been in politics since 2011 and Katri Kulmuni since 2015 (or 2010 if you count working as an assistant). So they have plenty of political experience. This government will certainly face a lot of attacks from conservative right-wingers, but I'm optimistic since all these women are quite skillful. Last spring, Sanna Marin was actually leading the parliament election debates for the Social Democrats in place of Antti Rinne (who was on sick leave at the time) and did very well, gaining a lot of support nationally.
I wish I lived in a democracy 😔
That is NOTHING.
In Hungary they just appointed a female vice-state secretary aged a mere 22 years. They have even changed the law so she wouldn't have to have a college degree for it. :P
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She is the one on the right, on the left the minister she will be working for.
Good for Finland! This is pretty awesome.
Did her parents need to sign a permission slip or something?
Wait a second, Sebastian Kurz was 30 when he took office as chancellor of Austria in 2017. (He'll be 33 once the coalition talks with the Green party are finalized and he's chancellor again.)
That said, he also didn't finish university before going into politics full time. :P
So back in July, a local politician of the Finns Party (the racist anti-immigration guys) was assaulted and nearly murdered in his home by two men. He said at the time that they were "Arab-looking", and immediately all major politicians of the party started tweeting out their outrage. Yesterday, the police arrested the two guys suspected of the assault. They look like this:
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Both are active in far-right Neo-Nazi circles. Reaction from the Finns Party politicians: *silence*
What happened with the politician?
Surely giving police incorrect information isn't exactly legal?
Wonder what brought the attack about.
The assaulted politician is on of the few still remaining old guard who opposed the rising influence of the far right in the party. Apparently he was responsible for removing one of these guys from the party's list of cabdidates for MP elections, so they may have wanted revenge. Investigation is still ongoing.
And he actually corrected himself some time after giving that information, but by then the major party figures were already running with it.
How are the young women doing running things? :)
Quote from: merithyn on September 12, 2020, 06:31:11 PM
How are the young women doing running things? :)
Pretty well actually. Finland is one of the countries that has weathered the corona pandemic pretty well. And the government enjoys an unprecedented support among the populace. Of course, the right-wing opposition is constantly trying to crap on everything the government does, but so far without much effect on the polls. One of the women, Katri Kulmuni from the Centre Party, had to resign recently because of some improprieties (she directly hired a consulting firm for some communications training instead of putting the offer out for bids as is normally done), and also because she has not managed to increase the popular support for her party. Her replacement is Annika Saarikko, 36 years old. :D
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Annika_Saarikko_2020_%28cropped%29.jpg)
So, what are the immigration rules for Finland? :hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on September 13, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
So, what are the immigration rules for Finland? :hmm:
Worth looking into any Irish or Italian heritage you have. For historical reasons those countries have the most generous citizenship rights for children of the diaspora (including me :goodboy:) and then you'd have EU citizenship :)
I think I could be happy in Finland; the national mentality would suit me fine, I think. :P
However, I fear the language would be a major hinderance. :lol:
Quote from: Syt on September 13, 2020, 12:47:31 PM
I think I could be happy in Finland; the national mentality would suit me fine, I think. :P
I like the idea of most of Scandinavia. But my idea is that they all have summer houses by the lakes, high class design in their homes and attractive knitwear for the winter. This may be me romanticising based solely on Nordic Noir TV shows :blush:
QuoteHowever, I fear the language would be a major hinderance. :lol:
:lol: Fair.
I recommend the VeryFinnishProblems Twitter account. :)
https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 13, 2020, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: merithyn on September 13, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
So, what are the immigration rules for Finland? :hmm:
Worth looking into any Irish or Italian heritage you have. For historical reasons those countries have the most generous citizenship rights for children of the diaspora (including me :goodboy:) and then you'd have EU citizenship :)
I have neither Irish nor Italian heritage. :( My great-grandfather came over from Wales. My grandmother came over from Germany (but she was my mom's stepmom, does that count?). My only chance at an easy European transition involves owning property in Spain.
That being said, I haven't actually looked at the Irish requirements recently. :hmm:
Quote from: Syt on September 13, 2020, 12:55:30 PM
I recommend the VeryFinnishProblems Twitter account. :)
https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish
OH my. Based on this, I'm every Finn's worst nightmare. :ph34r:
Quote from: merithyn on September 13, 2020, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 13, 2020, 12:55:30 PM
I recommend the VeryFinnishProblems Twitter account. :)
https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish
OH my. Based on this, I'm every Finn's worst nightmare. :ph34r:
:lol: I'm not saying they would drive you out of the country but, yes.
QuoteI have neither Irish nor Italian heritage. :( My great-grandfather came over from Wales. My grandmother came over from Germany (but she was my mom's stepmom, does that count?). My only chance at an easy European transition involves owning property in Spain.
I think Germany's difficult because their system generally doesn't like dual citizenship. Welsh ancestry doesn't help much - Brexit etc. I think for Ireland it basically goes as far back as if you have a grandparent who was born on the island of Ireland (or, someone who had Irish citizenship - e.g. an Irish-American grandparent who had citizenship because of their grandparent etc).
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 13, 2020, 12:52:04 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 13, 2020, 12:47:31 PM
I think I could be happy in Finland; the national mentality would suit me fine, I think. :P
I like the idea of most of Scandinavia. But my idea is that they all have summer houses by the lakes, high class design in their homes and attractive knitwear for the winter. This may be me romanticising based solely on Nordic Noir TV shows :blush:
And rampant alcoholism, don't forget about that. :P
Quote from: merithyn on September 13, 2020, 01:06:42 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 13, 2020, 12:55:30 PM
I recommend the VeryFinnishProblems Twitter account. :)
https://twitter.com/SoVeryFinnish
OH my. Based on this, I'm every Finn's worst nightmare. :ph34r:
They did social distancing before it was cool. :P
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwlPvS8XEAAN3ix.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YYgwvAf.jpg)
(https://ix-cdn.b2e5.com/images/53826/53826_2df0a84955594ad79297bb762a8a2708_1543353644.png)
:lol:
Finns are pretty awesome yes. At uni some of my best friends with Finns. A lot more laid back than the upper class swedes.
Though if I moved there I would totally be the awkward guy who studies Swedish instead of Finnish.
Finland is superior in many ways.
Quote from: merithyn on September 13, 2020, 12:57:27 PM
That being said, I haven't actually looked at the Irish requirements recently. :hmm:
My Great-Great Grandparents were born in Ireland so I looked into it...but unfortunately it kind of ends with grandparents, they have to be born in Ireland. So my grandmother could have gotten Irish Citizenship but not me. Not that I would ever leave Texas, no matter how stupidly right wing things get they won't get rid of me this is my home damnit I am going to stay here and provide one D vote every couple years.
But I was curious you know? :P
Quote from: Valmy on September 13, 2020, 11:35:11 PM
My Great-Great Grandparents were born in Ireland so I looked into it...but unfortunately it kind of ends with grandparents, they have to be born in Ireland. So my grandmother could have gotten Irish Citizenship but not me. Not that I would ever leave Texas, no matter how stupidly right wing things get they won't get rid of me this is my home damnit I am going to stay here and provide one D vote every couple years.
But I was curious you know? :P
Yeah. But once someone gets it, it's also children of Irish citizens (at the time of birth), so it can carry on basically forever which is I think one of the most generous rights of citizenship by descent.
Practically everyone here speaks English (though some older folks may speak with a really funny accent), so language is not a problem, at least if you live in one of the major cities. :) You can live in Helsinki for years and never need Finnish. There are plenty of British expats living here, Scots love Finland especially for some reason.
How White is Finland nowadays?
Finnish Reds were eliminated long ago.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 14, 2020, 04:03:25 AM
Practically everyone here speaks English (though some older folks may speak with a really funny accent), so language is not a problem, at least if you live in one of the major cities. :) You can live in Helsinki for years and never need Finnish. There are plenty of British expats living here, Scots love Finland especially for some reason.
No problem expected for life or work in certain sectors. Basically anywhere in the world you can get by with English, the nordics top of the list for that.
But the language would naturally be expected in a lot of areas. For instance my partner being in education is a bit of a sticking point to my yearning for the north.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 14, 2020, 04:03:25 AM
Practically everyone here speaks English (though some older folks may speak with a really funny accent), so language is not a problem, at least if you live in one of the major cities. :) You can live in Helsinki for years and never need Finnish. There are plenty of British expats living here, Scots love Finland especially for some reason.
How many Americans?
Quote from: Solmyr on September 14, 2020, 04:03:25 AM
Practically everyone here speaks English (though some older folks may speak with a really funny accent), so language is not a problem, at least if you live in one of the major cities. :) You can live in Helsinki for years and never need Finnish. There are plenty of British expats living here, Scots love Finland especially for some reason.
They like feeling tanned and exotic? :hmm:
Quote from: merithyn on September 14, 2020, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 14, 2020, 04:03:25 AM
Practically everyone here speaks English (though some older folks may speak with a really funny accent), so language is not a problem, at least if you live in one of the major cities. :) You can live in Helsinki for years and never need Finnish. There are plenty of British expats living here, Scots love Finland especially for some reason.
How many Americans?
A few thousand I believe, so not a huge population. On the other hand, Finland has a local Democrats Abroad country committee. ;)
Quote from: Sheilbh on September 14, 2020, 05:09:39 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on September 14, 2020, 04:03:25 AM
Practically everyone here speaks English (though some older folks may speak with a really funny accent), so language is not a problem, at least if you live in one of the major cities. :) You can live in Helsinki for years and never need Finnish. There are plenty of British expats living here, Scots love Finland especially for some reason.
They like feeling tanned and exotic? :hmm:
Well, at least according to some Finns Party politicians, they are Arab-looking. :D
(https://scontent-hel3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/121012058_10164399235860626_4104073379977282754_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=YqKVagK5MlwAX_JztNp&_nc_ht=scontent-hel3-1.xx&oh=06b33ac2e2c4777780b38cb521b06758&oe=5FA87B3C)
The one on the right is inappropriate and tasteless. My answer is the one on the right.
Quote from: The Brain on October 11, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
The one on the right is inappropriate and tasteless. My answer is the one on the right.
You would think that, yet our right-wingers in the opposition would disagree...
Quote from: Solmyr on October 11, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 11, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
The one on the right is inappropriate and tasteless. My answer is the one on the right.
You would think that, yet our right-wingers in the opposition would disagree...
How is the Finns Party doing btw?
The Finns Party clearly does not believe in Finland First.
That's one of the nicer looking Finnish broads I've seen.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 11, 2020, 07:15:16 PM
That's one of the nicer looking Finnish broads I've seen.
Dude, the one on the right ain't really a chick.
Quote from: PDH on October 11, 2020, 07:18:46 PM
Dude, the one on the right ain't really a chick.
It's a low bar.
Quote from: The Brain on October 11, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
Quote from: Solmyr on October 11, 2020, 03:58:48 PM
Quote from: The Brain on October 11, 2020, 03:56:33 PM
The one on the right is inappropriate and tasteless. My answer is the one on the right.
You would think that, yet our right-wingers in the opposition would disagree...
How is the Finns Party doing btw?
Hovering around 20% popular support. The PM's party, the Social Democrats, are currently a little bit higher.
Wow. That's his official photo? I guess its deliberately shit as some kind of trolling the EU silliness?
And; hottest PM evaa ?
Quote from: Tyr on October 12, 2020, 04:28:57 AM
Wow. That's his official photo? I guess its deliberately shit as some kind of trolling the EU silliness?
It's not the official photo, it was a photo he posted on Twitter saying that he supports Trump.