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The Trans-Pacific Partnership is dead, Schumer tells labor leaders
By Mike DeBonis, Ed O'Keefe and Ana Swanson
November 10 at 4:10 PM
The Senate's soon-to-be top Democrat told labor leaders Thursday that the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade deal at the center of President Obama's "pivot" to strengthen ties with key Asian allies, will not be ratified by Congress.
That remark from Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.), who is expected to be the incoming Senate minority leader, came as good news to the AFL-CIO Executive Council, which met Thursday in Washington. Schumer relayed statements that Republican congressional leaders had made to him, according to an aide who confirmed the remarks.
Obama's signature global trade deal had been on life support for months as both Democrats and Republicans campaigned against unfair trade policies ahead of the Nov. 8 election. And Donald Trump's triumph in the presidential race cemented its fate.
"There is no way to fix the TPP," Trump said in a June economic address. "We need bilateral trade deals. We do not need to enter into another massive international agreement that ties us up and binds us down."
The deal never had much of a following among congressional Democrats to begin with. Only 28 of 188 House Democrats and 13 of 44 Senate Democrats supported granting Obama the authority to negotiate and finalize a deal last year. And Trump's rise has decimated support for free trade among Republicans. A former U.S. trade representative, Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, said he would oppose the TPP as he campaigned for reelection this year.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Wednesday there was no chance that the deal would pass during Obama's final months in office. And he said it's up to Trump whether any trade deal would move forward after that.
"I think the president-elect made it pretty clear he was not in favor of the current agreement," McConnell said. "But he has the latitude because [congressional negotiating authority] is in place through the next administration to negotiate better deals, as I think he would put it, if he chooses to."
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who has supported past trade deals, has said that "the votes aren't there" in the House to pass the TPP in its current version and that he has no plans to bring it to a vote in the House.
The news of the trade pact's likely demise prompted disappointed reactions from some industry coalitions, which had hoped to access freer markets and a more level playing field with competitors overseas.
Among them were groups representing America's farmers and ranchers. The TPP had promised to slash tariffs on U.S. agricultural goods in large markets such as Japan and Vietnam, as well as eliminate agricultural subsidies that gave competitors in the trade bloc an edge.
"We would have liked to get it done before the end of the year. The longer we delay, the more likely we lose market share in the Asia-Pacific since other countries are negotiating their own trade deals with nations in the region," David Warner, the director of communications at the National Pork Producers Council, said in emailed comments. Warner said the TPP would exponentially increase pork exports, translating into more American jobs. "We certainly hope the TPP is not dead."
Retailers had also largely thrown their support behind TPP, as it would have reduced tariffs on many goods that brands source from overseas. President Obama had even used Nike's Oregon headquarters as backdrop for a speech defending his trade policy.
"On balance, [TPP] was viewed by our industry as a win for retailers and our consumers," said David French, the National Retail Federation's senior vice president of government relations, in an interview conducted Thursday prior to the news of Schumer's statements.
French said he believes that the reduction in tariffs would have been passed on to consumers in the form of lower prices. Tariffs on footwear can be as high as 67.5 percent, according to the NRF, while apparel tariffs can be up to 32 percent.
In September, a coalition of retailers — including Walmart, JCPenney, Gap, Michael Kors and Dick's Sporting Goods — sent letters to each member of Congress to urge them to support the TPP. The letter said the agreement would remove $2.8 million in duties on U.S. imports of clothes, shoes and travel items such as backpacks. They called it "once-in-a-generation opportunity to reduce costs and open new markets for U.S. brands and retailers."
:weep:
Ah well. it was expected.
I am more worried about the life of the existing deals.
:yeah:
Altho, what I wanted out of TPP might now matter now since Trump is likely to gut the FCC.
Then congrats to you too, GF.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Then congrats to you too, GF.
From what I saw it seemed to have a lot of crap baked in. Admittedly though, I never looked that closely at it.
Quote from: garbon on November 11, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Then congrats to you too, GF.
From what I saw it seemed to have a lot of crap baked in. Admittedly though, I never looked that closely at it.
We're going to forfeit the ability to influence 40% of the global GDP and 1/3rd of the world's trade to the gravitational pull of Beijing.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 11, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Then congrats to you too, GF.
From what I saw it seemed to have a lot of crap baked in. Admittedly though, I never looked that closely at it.
We're going to forfeit the ability to influence 40% of the global GDP and 1/3rd of the world's trade to the gravitational pull of Beijing.
We can't do everything. We can't even get an election right.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 08:28:25 AM
Quote from: garbon on November 11, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Then congrats to you too, GF.
From what I saw it seemed to have a lot of crap baked in. Admittedly though, I never looked that closely at it.
We're going to forfeit the ability to influence 40% of the global GDP and 1/3rd of the world's trade to the gravitational pull of Beijing.
It's already that way & TPP wasn't fixing it. You manufacture NOTHING.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 11, 2016, 09:11:00 AM
It's already that way & TPP wasn't fixing it. You manufacture NOTHING.
Luckily, we won't have to worry about all that silliness about IP, environmental standards and agricultural concerns.
Never figured you for a mercantilist, GF.
Its what happens when you put IP & Copyright provisions in Free trade agreements. I have to make all sorts of concessions on other points & agree with dumbasses to kill the deal.
Urg!
Well, good for you. Your AIIB t-shirt is in the mail. Enjoy those shipping rates. :)
They can't be more atrocious.
Well, lucky for you, you're not going to have to worry about them getting better. Enjoy!
It wouldn't have helped.
:lol:
FedEx: "The TPP will make international shipping more efficient, cost-effective and more affordable."
GF: "Nuh uh."
Good one. Like those cost savings are passed unto customers. It's all share holder values all the time.
Xi already announced his competing proposal, I.e. Greater East Asia co-Prosperity Sphere , but this time in Mandarin!
Massive own goal. Not even in the WH and he's already kneecapped Uncle Sam
So Brown Wolfe opposed TPP for the very principled reason that it might interfere with his video and music pirating. :mellow:
Quote from: garbon on November 11, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on November 11, 2016, 07:53:17 AM
Then congrats to you too, GF.
From what I saw it seemed to have a lot of crap baked in. Admittedly though, I never looked that closely at it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/business/economy/donald-trump-trade-tpp-trans-pacific-partnership.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/business/economy/donald-trump-trade-tpp-trans-pacific-partnership.html)
One example is a bilateral agreement between Australia and Japan, which gives Australian beef exporters a price advantage over American producers whose exports are subject to higher Japanese tariffs; those tariffs would ultimately have been removed under the Pacific agreement.
"We are experiencing lost sales without T.P.P." of about $400,000 a day as a result, said Kevin Kester, a California cattle rancher and vice president of the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.
"Multiply that over several hundred more products and several dozen more free-trade relationships," Mr. Froman said in an interview.
Quote from: Grey Fox on November 11, 2016, 10:07:42 AM
Good one. Like those cost savings are passed unto customers. It's all share holder values all the time.
Really?
How much was the cost of a decent computer in 1990?
How much is the cost of a decent computer now? Even if you ignore inflation, it's relatively cheaper now to get many products that it used to be.
A little something I found, for the US, but the same happenned in Canada:
QuoteIn 1990 the average income per year was $28,970.00 and by 1999 was $40,810.00.
In 1990 a gallon of gas was $1.34 and by 1999 was $1.22.
In 1990 the average cost of new car was $16,000.00 and by 1999 was $21,100.00.
And here for more:
http://www.economist.com/node/457272
How much did a long distance phone call costed in 1990 and how much today? Plus, we have extended local zones...
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 11, 2016, 04:22:50 PM
So Brown Wolfe opposed TPP for the very principled reason that it might interfere with his video and music pirating. :mellow:
At least he's honest about it.