http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/09/shimon-peres-obit/501764/
QuoteShimon Peres, 1923-2016
The former Israeli president died Wednesday at age 93. He'd been hospitalized since September 14 when he suffered a stroke.
Shimon Peres, an enduring figure of Israeli life and politics who in more than six decades in politics served as both prime minister and president of the Jewish state and, along the way, was awarded the Nobel Prize for Peace, has died. He was 93, and had been hospitalized since suffering a stroke on September 14.
Born Shimon Persky in what was then Poland, in 1923, Peres immigrated with his family in 1932 to what was then Palestine. Those members of his family who remained behind, including his grandfather, who had urged him to "Be a Jew, forever," were killed in the Holocaust. During Israel's war of independence, Peres was put in charge of weapons purchases and military recruitment by David Ben-Gurion, who would later become prime minister. In 1953, when he was 30, Peres was running the Ministry of Defense, where he laid the groundwork for Israel's nuclear program and is widely regarded as its father.
"My contribution during that dramatic period was something that I still cannot write about openly for reasons of state security," Peres wrote in his 1995 memoir, Battling for Peace. "After [Moshe] Dayan was appointed defense minister, I submitted to him a certain proposal which ... would have deterred the Arabs and prevented the war."
The ambiguity of the words was deliberate, and is a cornerstone of Israeli policy toward its program: The country simply does not acknowledge whether the program exists.
Peres was elected to the Knesset in 1959—where he served for a record 48 years. He was mostly associated with the Labor Party, but over the decades held major positions with all the major centrist and center-left parties in Israeli politics, and became known for his relatively dovish stance on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
In his more than six decades in political life, Peres served in almost every major position in Israeli government and in the opposition. Indeed, as Shmuel Rosner noted in The New York Times, Peres was "probably the only leader who could still claim to have known all 21 of Israel's military chiefs personally." And, as he told The Washington Post in 2014, he worked with every American president from Harry Truman to Barack Obama—10 in all. Still, electoral victory for Israel's premiership eluded him. In the four elections he contested, Israeli voters either rejected him outright or declined to hand him a decisive mandate to lead the country. He nonetheless did so twice: first in the 1980s as part of a power-sharing agreement with Yitzhak Shamir, and again in the 1990s after a far-right extremist assassinated Yitzhak Rabin, Peres's great rival in Israeli politics, at a peace rally.
He was foreign minister in the Rabin government, and his role in the talks that led to the Oslo Accords won him the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize (which he shared with Rabin and Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader). The views of Israelis toward Oslo—and those who signed it—have grown increasingly complicated over the years, with the goodwill generated more than two decades ago now a distant memory replaced by the reality of unrest and the belief, in the view of many Israelis, that they have no partner for peace.
In 2007, the Knesset elevated Peres, by then an 84-year-old elder statesman, to the country's presidency. There, he refashioned the largely ceremonial post into a media-savvy cudgel and quickly became one of the most beloved Israeli public figures. He held prayers for peace alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (of whom he said: "We are old and we are friends") and Pope Francis in the picturesque Vatican gardens, championed technology's potential to improve conditions in the Middle East, and challenged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has shaped modern Israel the way Peres shaped the country at its founding, on his Iran policy. Peres retired in 2014, but remained an influential figure in Israeli politics.
"The meaning in life is not what to be or what to be called, but what to do," he told the Times a week before he stepped down from the presidency. "Maybe the greatest things I did when I had the lowest title, and maybe when you have the highest title you are prisoner."
President Obama, who honored Peres with the Medal of Freedom in 2012, reflected on Peres's legacy, saying in a statement:
A light has gone out, but the hope he gave us will burn forever. Shimon Peres was a soldier for Israel, for the Jewish people, for justice, for peace, and for the belief that we can be true to our best selves—to the very end of our time on Earth, and in the legacy that we leave to others.
Peres is survived by his three children—Tsvia Walden, the linguist; Yoni Peres, a veterinarian; and Nehemia Peres, a venture capitalist. Sonya Gelman, his wife of 65 years, died in 2011.
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
RIP.
He was a great man.
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
You've been banned?
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
So who do you hate more? Him or the Arabs?'
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
RIP
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
Wow. You are a terrible person.
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
Better he go on his inevitable shooting spree up there than down here.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
Better he go on his inevitable shooting spree up there than down here.
Hey. :mad:
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
Wow. You are a terrible person.
Meh - I give him credit for knowing not to post a lengthy diatribe in a memorial thread.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
Better he go on his inevitable shooting spree up there than down here.
Why? At least down there it will be routine.
Quote from: Josephus on September 28, 2016, 01:49:03 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
Better he go on his inevitable shooting spree up there than down here.
Why? At least down there it will be routine.
We have enough. Time to share the wealth.
Though Siege is fundamentally opposed to redistribution :hmm:
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 01:52:10 PM
Though Siege is fundamentally opposed to redistribution :hmm:
You'd think that an immigrant benefitting from generous social programs he got via being a government employee would be in favor of redistribution....
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
So who do you hate more? Him or the Arabs?'
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
Because i am betting on the Trumpminator winning and i ain't going nowhere.
Also, i was joking. If Hitlary wins i shall be in the opposition, doing my best to save America.
I love this country with all my heart and i am sworn to defend it against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Quote from: Malthus on September 28, 2016, 01:27:38 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 28, 2016, 01:13:55 PM
Quote from: Valmy on September 28, 2016, 10:14:17 AM
By the way why are you moving to Canada and not back to Israel if you choose to leave the US? If you hate Peres and the US Democrats I would hate to think of what sort of burning hatred the far more leftwing governments of Canada would inspire.
Better he go on his inevitable shooting spree up there than down here.
Hey. :mad:
Don't worry. No shooting here.
CdM just being an asshole and an assclown.
He knows perfectly well where i stand on civic duty, the social contract, and personal responsibility.
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
think
Flawed assumption identified.
Fuck you too, Minsky.
Let me swallow 2 more Bud Lights and i am gonna go full internet retard on you. Im gonna make you cry, and not of laughing at my balls.
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
Wow. You are a terrible person.
Why? I am just an asshole on the internetz.
That asshole, may his name be forgotten and erase from the book of generations, was an asshole in real life. Too many people fuckin DIED because of his self-righteous decisions. Fuck his life and his legacy.
Legacy is all liberals care about, instead of caring about people's lives.
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
think
Flawed assumption identified.
Fuck you too, Minsky.
Let me swallow 2 more Bud Lights and i am gonna go full internet retard on you. Im gonna make you cry, and not of laughing at my balls.
You sure you won't be passed out on keyboard?
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 28, 2016, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
think
Flawed assumption identified.
Fuck you too, Minsky.
Let me swallow 2 more Bud Lights and i am gonna go full internet retard on you. Im gonna make you cry, and not of laughing at my balls.
You sure you won't be passed out on keyboard?
Isn't that how his drunk posts get generated? :huh:
Quote from: DGuller on September 28, 2016, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 28, 2016, 05:57:25 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 05:47:39 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on September 28, 2016, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
think
Flawed assumption identified.
Fuck you too, Minsky.
Let me swallow 2 more Bud Lights and i am gonna go full internet retard on you. Im gonna make you cry, and not of laughing at my balls.
You sure you won't be passed out on keyboard?
Isn't that how his drunk posts get generated? :huh:
You've just insulted an infinite number of Shakespearean monkeys.
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 05:38:20 PM
Also, i was joking. If Hitlary wins i shall be in the opposition, doing my best to save America.
Hillary's Lee Harvey Oswald confirmed.
quite the Canadian delegation going to the funeral
Also traveling with Prime Minister Trudeau are former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, Foreign Minister Stéphane Dion, and the Honourable Rona Ambrose, Leader of the Official Opposition. The Canadian delegation will be joined in Israel by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper (traveling from London, England), CIJA Board member and former Cabinet member Stockwell Day, and Senator Linda Frum.
Quote from: Solmyr on September 29, 2016, 06:56:35 AM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 05:38:20 PM
Also, i was joking. If Hitlary wins i shall be in the opposition, doing my best to save America.
Hillary's Lee Harvey Oswald confirmed.
President Kaine will lead us into glorious times.
Quote from: Josephus on September 29, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
quite the Canadian delegation going to the funeral
Also traveling with Prime Minister Trudeau are former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, Foreign Minister Stéphane Dion, and the Honourable Rona Ambrose, Leader of the Official Opposition. The Canadian delegation will be joined in Israel by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper (traveling from London, England), CIJA Board member and former Cabinet member Stockwell Day, and Senator Linda Frum.
Apparently Harper (and likely Day and Frum) were invited by the Israelis, not Trudeau.
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
Apparently Harper (and likely Day and Frum) were invited by the Israelis, not Trudeau.
Quel outrage!/Outrageous!
Quote from: Barrister on September 29, 2016, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: Josephus on September 29, 2016, 10:37:46 AM
quite the Canadian delegation going to the funeral
Also traveling with Prime Minister Trudeau are former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien, Foreign Minister Stéphane Dion, and the Honourable Rona Ambrose, Leader of the Official Opposition. The Canadian delegation will be joined in Israel by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper (traveling from London, England), CIJA Board member and former Cabinet member Stockwell Day, and Senator Linda Frum.
Apparently Harper (and likely Day and Frum) were invited by the Israelis, not Trudeau.
Probably forgot to update their rolodex
Quote from: Hamilcar on September 28, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 04:25:36 AM
Fuck this mothefucker.
I wrote a long post about all his crimes against the israeli people, but i decided to erase it because i got angry and i know im gonna get banned from here again.
Wow. You are a terrible person.
I think that's a prerequisite for posting here. :lol:
Quote from: Siege on September 28, 2016, 05:52:36 PM
Too many people fuckin DIED because of his self-righteous decisions. Fuck his life and his legacy.
Legacy is all liberals care about, instead of caring about people's lives.
Tell us, McVeighstein, what were his self-righteous decisions?
If it makes ya'll feel better, Seige will probably retire from the Army during Hillary's second term...her signature forever emblazoned on his retirement certificate. :P
Which army? He's in two.