Just keeping an eye on this bizzare movie-like incident in Toronto yesterday.
The basic story: a prominent defense lawyer was walking out of his office when he was approached by a man wearing construction gear. The man pulled out a gun and shot the lawyer several times. Then, when the man jumped in a car to drive away, he was shot down by some undercover cops who just happened to be on the scene, armed with rifles.
Both would-be killer and lawyer survived and are in hospital.
All of this happened in the Annex, a very upscale area, in broad daylight.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/shooting-in-torontos-annex-neighbourhood-leaves-two-injured/article31976090/
Not many facts other than that released. Interesting to speculate wtf happened.
That is some crazy ass Jason Bourne shit right there.
Or police training exercise gone very wrong, the sort of thing South Yorkshire police would be capable of.
I guess the plainclothes cops were keeping an eye on the lawyer, because they expected something like this to happen?
The cops weren't even from the area. They were halton region cops, which adds another layer.
Quotelawyer survived
:mad:
I think this is the result of Maltus's intra-corporate machinations and the thread is just his way of boasting about it. :P
Quote from: Syt on September 21, 2016, 08:17:41 AM
I guess the plainclothes cops were keeping an eye on the lawyer, because they expected something like this to happen?
My exact thought.
Not only plainclothes cops, but plainclothes cops *with rifles*, something they don't I think ordinarily carry when doing surveillance.
The lawyer, BTW, did a lot of high-profile defense work for large-scale drug smugglers.
My speculation: he knew too much, was threatened by some organized crime types to not talk, went to the cops (who gave him the rifle-armed plainsclothes guys as protection); was hit anyway, by Mr. Construction Worker, who was unlucky/a bad shot, because despite allegedly shooting the lawyer several times from close range, he didn't die.
If the cops expected something maybe the lawyer had a vest? How bulky are they in real life versus movies?
Also, if he was under surveillance the cops did a bad job. Shooter got to his car, started driving away, stopped to shoot the lawyer again, and then the cops intervened?
Quote from: HVC on September 21, 2016, 08:28:27 AM
If the cops expected something maybe the lawyer had a vest? How bulky are they in real life versus movies?
That would tend to explain why the victim was being treated for leg-wounds only.
QuoteAlso, if he was under surveillance the cops did a bad job. Shooter got to his car, started driving away, stopped to shoot the lawyer again, and then the cops intervened?
Depends on how far away the cops were. Clearly, they were under orders not to make their presence obvious, so they could hardly walk right beside the guy like bodyguards. If they were (say) across the street in unmarked cars, it is reasonable that it would take them some time to reach the scene - the shooter would obviously want to get away fast, and the cops would not want to engage in long-range gunplay in the Annex
The lawyers speciality is awesomely worded in the article
" specializing in drugs and people who own bars down in the bar district."
Be careful with the Lebanese.
Quote from: Syt on September 21, 2016, 08:17:41 AM
I guess the plainclothes cops were keeping an eye on the lawyer, because they expected something like this to happen?
Or maybe they were on their way back from lunch, and it just happened to occur in front of them? Because that never happens.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2016, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 21, 2016, 08:17:41 AM
I guess the plainclothes cops were keeping an eye on the lawyer, because they expected something like this to happen?
Or maybe they were on their way back from lunch, and it just happened to occur in front of them? Because that never happens.
They were taking an impressively long lunch break then, considering they were from Halton Region. :lol:
Quote from: Malthus on September 21, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
They were taking an impressively long lunch break then, considering they were from Halton Region. :lol:
Because that never happens either.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on September 21, 2016, 11:13:36 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 21, 2016, 10:43:22 AM
They were taking an impressively long lunch break then, considering they were from Halton Region. :lol:
Because that never happens either.
:D
Well, the cops at least are claiming they were there to do "surveillance", but have declined details. Maybe they were "surveying" a new lunch spot. ;)
Co-incidences do happen sometimes.
I had a file where the bad guys would do a smash-and-grab into a mall cell-phone kiosk in the morning before the stores had opened. They were stopped by a bunch of RCMP officers (and this is Edmonton, where RCMP don't have jurisdiction) were sitting having breakfast, saw them running, and tackled them.
Quote from: HVC on September 21, 2016, 08:28:27 AM
If the cops expected something maybe the lawyer had a vest? How bulky are they in real life versus movies?
alternatively the lawyer had no heart...
Sounds like police were in fact following the shooter, now ID'd as Grayson Delong.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/halton-police-followed-shooting-suspect-to-the-annex-before-lawyer-was-shot-sources-say-1.3081425
In Florida he would be acquitted.
Quote from: Barrister on September 21, 2016, 12:21:10 PM
Co-incidences do happen sometimes.
I had a file where the bad guys would do a smash-and-grab into a mall cell-phone kiosk in the morning before the stores had opened. They were stopped by a bunch of RCMP officers (and this is Edmonton, where RCMP don't have jurisdiction) were sitting having breakfast, saw them running, and tackled them.
I remember the Hilton brothers, a family of boxers. Two of them decided to rob a Dunkin Donut at gunpoint. Back in the days, Dunkin Donut was famed to be a resting spot for cops...
Quote from: Berkut on September 21, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
In Florida he would be acquitted.
Because he was Standing His Ground (and it was his ground that was running to the getaway car).
Quote from: Barrister on September 21, 2016, 01:20:55 PM
Sounds like police were in fact following the shooter, now ID'd as Grayson Delong.
http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/halton-police-followed-shooting-suspect-to-the-annex-before-lawyer-was-shot-sources-say-1.3081425
Heh, not sure if it is the same "Grayson Delong" or not, but there are a handful of searchable appeal cases in which that name appears. The latest is from 2008, R. v. Delong, [2008] O.J. No. 2566 (Ont.C.A), and it merely states as follows:
Quote
On appeal from conviction and sentence by Justice Bruce J. Young of the Ontario Court of Justice dated September 29, 2006
APPEAL BOOK ENDORSEMENT
[1] The trial judge rejected the appellant's version of events and in particular rejected the position of the defence that the appellant was merely defending himself from what he claimed was unnecessary force. The only question then was whether the appellant caused unnecessary suffering to the dog. In our view, there was an evidentiary basis for the trial judge's finding in that the appellant choked the dog.
[2] Accordingly, the appeal is dismissed.
Well, he lost my sympathy (if it is the same guy). :mad: