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Title: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 15, 2016, 06:16:46 AM
Holy shit this Full Metal Jacket level of fucked up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2016/09/13/drill-instructor-accused-of-repeatedly-running-a-clothes-dryer-with-a-muslim-marine-inside/?ICID=ref_fark&utm_content=link&utm_medium=website&utm_source=fark
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Marine drill instructor accused of running a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside

By Dan Lamothe

September 13


A Muslim Marine said he was called a terrorist and ordered into an industrial clothes dryer multiple times by a drill instructor who then turned it on, burning him, according to investigative documents that provide new details about the alleged abuse of recruits at the service's training center at Parris Island, S.C.

"You're going to kill us all the first chance you get aren't you, terrorist?" the drill instructor thundered at the recruit, the new Marine later alleged, according to the documents that have not been released publicly but were reviewed by The Washington Post. "What are your plans? Aren't you a terrorist?"

[Following a Marine recruit's death, a culture of hazing is exposed on a storied base]

The issue of hazing and abuse at Parris Island surfaced March 18, when a 20-year-old recruit with Pakistani roots — Raheel Siddiqui of Taylor, Mich. — died after leaping from a stairwell landing that was nearly 40 feet high while running away from the same drill instructor who used the dryer. The instructor had just slapped Siddiqui before he jumped. Siddiqui's death drew public scrutiny to a culture of harsh punishments at Parris Island — one that Marine officials were already examining, the documents show.


Last week, service officials announced that 20 members of Parris Island's staff could face criminal charges or administrative discipline following the conclusion of three investigations into various abuse allegations. But the documents raise questions about whether more Parris Island Marines could be implicated in the scandal.

Marine Commandant Gen. Robert B. Neller, addressing the abuse allegations last week, said in a statement that recruit training will remain physically and mentally challenging, but that the manner in which Marines are made is as important as the final product.

"When America's men and women commit to becoming Marines, we make a promise to them," he said. "We pledge to train them with firmness, fairness, dignity and compassion."


Recruits crawl through a combat training course on Aug. 9, on Parris Island, S.C. (Pfc. Maximiliano Bavastro/ Marine Corps)
Some details of the abuse have previously been reported, but the investigative documents describe an environment in which one unit in particular — 3rd Recruit Training Battalion — had drill instructors who not only tested recruits' mettle, as is expected, but abused them physically and emotionally.

Ethnic and homophobic slurs were also used regularly, and drill instructors ordered repeated, unauthorized physical training that sometimes injured recruits. The drill instructors also sometimes were drunk on the job, bringing Fireball whiskey into work on at least one occasion, recruits told investigators.


In one case, a senior drill instructor who had seen a photograph of a recruit's sister made him log into his Facebook account so he could request that she call Parris Island on the telephone. When she did, the drill instructor took the phone away from the recruit, introduced himself and said that he had heard she was single and wanted to know whether they could get to know each other. The drill instructor later denied it, but the sister corroborated the recruit's story with copies of the Facebook messages, according to the documents.

[Military hazing is often horrifying — and the Pentagon has no idea how often it happens]

The drill instructor involved in the dryer case, an unidentified sergeant, was allowed to continue training recruits after allegations of abuse were made, in part because Marine officials did not take the accusations seriously, one investigation found.

The alleged incident occurred in 2015, and was reported last November by the targeted Marine and two enlisted colleagues who by then had moved on to initial aviation training in Pensacola, Fla. The new Marine said he was also accused of participating in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The former recruit said he was kept in the dryer long enough that his neck and arm started to burn and he began to cry, according to the documents.

Recruits who were abused were also warned that "snitches get stitches." Instructors also bribed recruits with protein bars and other food to keep them quiet, according to the documents.

The allegations are highly sensitive for a service that has long prided itself on what it calls the transformative process of "making Marines." And it has shocked drill instructors at the service's only other enlisted training depot in San Diego.


A Marine Corps drill instructor leads close-order drill at Marine Corps Recruit Depot Parris Island, S.C. on April 6. (Cpl. Richard Currier/ Marine Corps)
"The atmosphere of recruit training is much different in San Diego," said one Marine instructor there, who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation. "Officers and staff continuously walk around decks to keep eyes on drill instructors and recruits, as well as to ensure our [procedures] are followed as closely as possible. Recruit abuse is absolutely not tolerated here, and I've seen many drill instructors being held accountable and investigated for even minor infractions."

Drill instructors are directed specifically to not discriminate against recruits on the basis of race or religion, and anyone who saw such discrimination should have stood up against it, a retired senior enlisted Marine said.

Marine recruits experience boot camp  Play Video1:33
Marine Corps drill instructors conduct gear inspections with recruits on pick-up day, aboard Marine Corps Recruit Depot, San Diego, Calif. (YouTube/Marines)
"Even back in the day when they were really brutal at Parris Island, I can't imagine that happening. That's abuse," the Marine said when informed of the dryer incident. "It's beyond me. We are entrusted to take care of those recruits and train them. There was clearly a breakdown in leadership at Parris Island."

Parris Island's most senior leaders have been aware of hazing problems since at least 2014, the documents show. In fact, one officer who took over 3rd Recruit Training Battalion came in with the perception that it was a major issue and removed so many Marines from their jobs that he created morale problems in his unit, the investigation found.


The officer's name is redacted, but Marine officials identified him as Lt. Col. Joshua Kissoon, who was removed from his job in March. The documents describe him as a "toxic leader" whose "derisive attitude toward his company grade officers, and perceived self-interest caused his officers to lose confidence in his leadership."

Kissoon's boss, Col. Paul D. Cucinotta, and his senior enlisted adviser, Sgt. Maj. Nicholas Deabreu, were removed from their positions leading the Recruit Training Regiment at Parris Island in June after an investigation found that they had not done enough to stop the mistreatment of recruits.

Cucinotta, Kissoon and Deabreu did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday.

The Marine official with knowledge of the investigations said it is likely that the service will move forward with criminal proceedings against some Marines involved, beginning this fall.

Thomas Gibbons-Neff contributed to this report.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: The Brain on September 15, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
help us tom cruise
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: mongers on September 15, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
And so the world turns full circle.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Oexmelin on September 15, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 15, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
And so the world turns full circle cycle.

Fixed
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: mongers on September 15, 2016, 12:44:45 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on September 15, 2016, 12:44:04 PM
Quote from: mongers on September 15, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
And so the world turns full circle cycle.

Fixed

:lol:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on September 15, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Hopefully the offending instructor will be hung out to dry.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: mongers on September 15, 2016, 12:54:56 PM
You wouldn't have thought learning to use a power tool near water would be such a convoluted process.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 15, 2016, 12:57:01 PM
don't you need to remove the towel from the head before putting it into the washingmachine? :wacko:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Malthus on September 15, 2016, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 15, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Hopefully the offending instructor will be hung out to dry.

This is just a story designed to wring the maximum outrage out of us, and get us all agitated.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Syt on September 15, 2016, 01:13:01 PM
Seems the drill instructor's career is going to take a tumble.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Malthus on September 15, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 15, 2016, 01:13:01 PM
Seems the drill instructor's career is going to take a tumble.

That's certainly the spin they give the story in the article.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Oexmelin on September 15, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 15, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 15, 2016, 01:13:01 PM
Seems the drill instructor's career is going to take a tumble.

That's certainly the spin they give the story in the article.

Well, that's online media for you - a function of its ephemeral nature. I am still waiting to see what the more permanent press is going to make of it.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: garbon on September 15, 2016, 01:22:48 PM
I like the recruits who were bribed with protein bars. :wacko:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Syt on September 15, 2016, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: Oexmelin on September 15, 2016, 01:21:23 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 15, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
Quote from: Syt on September 15, 2016, 01:13:01 PM
Seems the drill instructor's career is going to take a tumble.

That's certainly the spin they give the story in the article.

Well, that's online media for you - a function of its ephemeral nature. I am still waiting to see what the more permanent press is going to make of it.

I wonder how much of it will turn out to be just hot air.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: The Brain on September 15, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
You guys are so much better people than Milo. Tasteful and empathic.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2016, 03:59:52 PM
Quote from: Malthus on September 15, 2016, 01:11:00 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on September 15, 2016, 12:52:08 PM
Hopefully the offending instructor will be hung out to dry.

This is just a story designed to wring the maximum outrage out of us, and get us all agitated.

Once this story rides out the Tide of public opinion, they'll Bounce him out of the service.

Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: derspiess on September 15, 2016, 04:16:03 PM
He had nothing to Gain by doing this.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: HVC on September 15, 2016, 04:22:11 PM
I hate all of you.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Barrister on September 15, 2016, 04:22:20 PM
:frusty:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: derspiess on September 15, 2016, 04:25:57 PM
Although I suppose in this day & age we should expect Snuggles from drill instructors.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Ed Anger on September 15, 2016, 07:36:38 PM
Calgon, take me away.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: DGuller on September 15, 2016, 08:21:20 PM
My respect for Languish posters has just dried up.  :(
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 15, 2016, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: DGuller on September 15, 2016, 08:21:20 PM
My respect for Languish posters has just dried up.  :(

Everybody was just waiting to take the puns for a spin.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 15, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 15, 2016, 04:22:11 PM
I hate all of you.


If you like to punish them, you can borrow my arm and hammer.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: HVC on September 15, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 15, 2016, 10:15:20 PM
Quote from: HVC on September 15, 2016, 04:22:11 PM
I hate all of you.


If you like to punish them, you can borrow my arm and hammer.
... I hate you most of all <_< :P
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: CountDeMoney on September 15, 2016, 10:53:36 PM
Don't be such a Debbie Downy about it, HVC.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: derspiess on September 15, 2016, 11:30:36 PM
Yeah, Cheer up.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Drakken on September 15, 2016, 11:34:37 PM
Guys, all you need is a little Snuggle.
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 15, 2016, 11:40:32 PM
Trivia quiz:

How did Arm and Hammer get its name?
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Barrister on September 16, 2016, 12:16:32 AM
:frusty: :frusty:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Martinus on September 16, 2016, 12:36:10 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 15, 2016, 11:40:32 PM
Trivia quiz:

How did Arm and Hammer get its name?

Best. Hijack. Ever.  :D
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Razgovory on September 16, 2016, 01:32:20 AM
Something, something, religion of peace?
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2016, 01:37:05 AM
[spoiler]It comes from the founder of the company that produces it: Armand Hammer.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Syt on September 16, 2016, 01:37:45 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2016, 01:37:05 AM
[spoiler]It comes from the founder of the company that produces it: Armand Hammer.[/spoiler]

Incorrect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_%26_Hammer_(brand)
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Archy on September 16, 2016, 04:40:03 AM
Thos whitewashing of minorities is going to far! :mad: :D
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Martinus on September 16, 2016, 05:10:35 AM
Maybe he was trying to confirm that these colors don't run?
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Malthus on September 16, 2016, 08:31:56 AM
Quote from: Syt on September 16, 2016, 01:37:45 AM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 16, 2016, 01:37:05 AM
[spoiler]It comes from the founder of the company that produces it: Armand Hammer.[/spoiler]

Incorrect:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arm_%26_Hammer_(brand)

This detail was awesome:

QuoteIt is often claimed that the brand name originated with tycoon Armand Hammer; however, the Arm & Hammer brand was in use 31 years before Hammer was born. Hammer was so often asked about the Church & Dwight brand, however, that he attempted to buy the company. While unsuccessful, Hammer's Occidental Petroleum in 1986 acquired enough stock for him to join the Church & Dwight board of directors. Hammer remained one of the owners of Arm & Hammer until his 1990 death.

:lol:
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Malthus on September 16, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 16, 2016, 12:16:32 AM
:frusty: :frusty:

Let's see if we can make it to the coveted "three frustys".  :D
Title: Re: Marine drill instructor ran a clothes dryer with a Muslim recruit inside
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 16, 2016, 08:39:18 AM
Quote from: Malthus on September 16, 2016, 08:33:02 AM
Quote from: Barrister on September 16, 2016, 12:16:32 AM
:frusty: :frusty:

Let's see if we can make it to the coveted "three frustys".  :D

Is that All you got?