https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-officials-military-concerned-transgender-timeline-075734316--politics.html?nhp=1
We won't accept you but we'll let you die for us. :whistle:
QuoteTransgender people will be allowed to serve openly in the U.S. military, the Pentagon announced Thursday, ending one of the last bans on service in the armed forces.
Saying it's the right thing to do, Defense Secretary Ash Carter laid out a yearlong implementation plan declaring that "Americans who want to serve and can meet our standards should be afforded the opportunity to compete to do so."
"Our mission is to defend this country, and we don't want barriers unrelated to a person's qualification to serve preventing us from recruiting or retaining the soldier, sailor, airman, or Marine who can best accomplish the mission," Carter said at a Pentagon news conference.
Under the new policy, by Oct. 1, transgender troops already serving should be able to receive medical care and begin formally changing their gender identifications in the Pentagon's personnel system.
A year from now, he said, the military services will begin allowing transgender individuals to enlist, as long as they meet required standards and have been stable in their identified genders for 18 months.
Carter's announcement comes despite concerns from senior military leaders that the department is moving too fast and that more time is needed to work through the changes. He said he discussed the plans extensively with his military leaders and that, based on their recommendations, he made adjustments to the timeline. He said he has been told that the services now support the timeline.
Under the new policy, transgender troops would receive any medically necessary care including surgery, Carter said.
The new rules also give military commanders flexibility, noting that not all transition cases are the same. Commanders will have the discretion to make decisions on a case-by-case basis, including on job placement, deployments, training delays and other accommodations, based on the needs of the military mission and whether the service members can perform their duties.
For people coming into the military, the plan says that those with gender dysphoria, a history of medical treatments associated with gender transition and those who have had reconstruction surgery may be disqualified as military recruits unless a medical provider certifies that they have been clinically stable in the preferred gender for 18 months, and are free of significant impairment. And transgender troops receiving hormone therapy must have been stable on their medications for 18 months.
The policy provides broad guidelines for transgender service members currently in the military. They will be able to use the bathrooms, housing, uniforms and fitness standards of their preferred gender only after they have legally transitioned to that identity, according to officials.
Over the next year, the military services will develop and distribute training guidelines, medical protocols and other guidance to help commanders deal with any issues or questions about transgender troops.
Last July, Carter said he intended to rescind the ban, calling it outdated. He has long argued that the military must be more inclusive to bring in the best and brightest.
At the time, he ordered a six-month study to include extensive medical and scientific research and discussions with other nations and companies with experience in the process. He extended the study because the military wanted more time. Officials said he wanted to insure there was no impact on military readiness, but over time, he became frustrated with the slow progress.
Rep. Mac Thornberry, R-Texas, the House Armed Services Committee chairman, called the announcement another example of the administration "prioritizing politics over policy. " He questioned whether the change would affect military readiness and said the committee will push for answers.
Others praised the move as historic. The decision, said Aaron Belkin, director of the California-based Palm Center think tank, enhances "readiness as well as core values of honesty and integrity, an enormous accomplishment with a durable impact on all service members."
I assume there will be safe spaces?
I'm shocked that the report ended up saying what the administration wanted it to say. Shocked.
As long as we don't pay for their fucking surgery and hormones.
Oh, so now they let crazy people in, a month before my 35th birthday. Fuck you.
worked security with a guy who was apparently a F->M transgender. worked lots of shifts with him and never knew until after I quit. coworkers had no idea, either. he was built and loved his cars and guns
responses itt are pretty uncalled for
I had no idea Languish was so transphobic.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 30, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
As long as we don't pay for their fucking surgery and hormones.
Eh, we will. But it's okay-- Sec. Carter assures us the cost will be "minimal".
Quote from: Solmyr on June 30, 2016, 04:19:02 PM
I had no idea Languish was so transphobic.
Yeah well buddharhubarb left for a reason.
Seems sensible to allow transgender folks. The only reason not to is prejudice on the part of others, which has never been a particularly good reason.
How did the ban come into being in the first place?
Quote from: Solmyr on June 30, 2016, 04:19:02 PM
I had no idea Languish was so transphobic.
Really? Where have you been?
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
How did the ban come into being in the first place?
They have long had bans people with mental disorders.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PMThey have long had bans people with mental disorders.
not if it doesn't affect performance. see dyslexia, etc. the ban on transgenders was like the ban on gays: prejudice
Quote from: LaCroix on June 30, 2016, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PMThey have long had bans people with mental disorders.
not if it doesn't affect performance. see dyslexia, etc. the ban on transgenders was like the ban on gays: prejudice
I didn't know you were there to when they made that decision. I honestly don't know how hormone therapy works. Is it an ongoing treatment? If so that would affect performance.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
How did the ban come into being in the first place?
They have long had bans people with mental disorders.
I don't think the DSM classifies transgender as a mental disorder anymore. Much like homosexuality, the societal influences impact the definitions of sickness.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 05:45:29 PMI honestly don't know how hormone therapy works. Is it an ongoing treatment? If so that would affect performance.
apparently not to the level where it necessitates prohibiting transgenders from military service :yeah:
Quote from: PDH on June 30, 2016, 05:57:40 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 04:57:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on June 30, 2016, 04:52:23 PM
How did the ban come into being in the first place?
They have long had bans people with mental disorders.
I don't think the DSM classifies transgender as a mental disorder anymore. Much like homosexuality, the societal influences impact the definitions of sickness.
If it's not a disorder, then you can't get insurance to pay for gender reassignment therapy.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 06:03:36 PM
If it's not a disorder, then you can't get insurance to pay for gender reassignment therapy.
According to a quick google, the only time Aetna (for instance) pays is when the patient has "gender dysphoria" not all cases of identified transgenderism. Transgender is not considered pathological in all cases, but only when it causes "distress" apparently.
Quote from: PDH on June 30, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 06:03:36 PM
If it's not a disorder, then you can't get insurance to pay for gender reassignment therapy.
According to a quick google, the only time Aetna (for instance) pays is when the patient has "gender dysphoria" not all cases of identified transgenderism. Transgender is not considered pathological in all cases, but only when it causes "distress" apparently.
That does make the whole thing rather absurd doesn't it. People can't have the surgery unless they are "distressed" by not having it. I suppose in a world where there is 100% love and encouragement toward people getting gender reassignment therapy, they can't actually get their insurance to pay for it.
It's ok now Siege.
I don't really care anymore. America is doomed anyways.
Quote from: Ed Anger on June 30, 2016, 07:02:56 PM
I don't really care anymore. America is doomed anyways.
America will be fine.
Think of it this way, now servicemen don't have to sail all the way to the Philippines to fuck chicks with dicks.
If I were a transgender person in the US, I'd want the ban to continue. So that if in the future they reinstate conscription, I'd be exempt :showoff:
If you were a transgender person in the US, I'd pay good money to watch Siegy hatefuck you.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 30, 2016, 08:26:36 PM
If I were a transgender person in the US, I'd want the ban to continue. So that if in the future they reinstate conscription, I'd be exempt :showoff:
They have age limits as well. Also by the time they got around to you, I'd be Mad Max outside. Besides, it'd probably be a pay raise for you.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 30, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Think of it this way, now servicemen don't have to sail all the way to the Philippines to fuck chicks with dicks.
I thought that was Thailand.
Quote from: grumbler on June 30, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 30, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
Think of it this way, now servicemen don't have to sail all the way to the Philippines to fuck chicks with dicks.
I thought that was Thailand.
Same same
What PT test do they take?
Quote from: 11B4V on June 30, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
What PT test do they take?
the same one as the bathroom they use.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 30, 2016, 10:02:06 PM
Besides, it'd probably be a pay raise for you.
This part is true :cry:
Quote from: 11B4V on June 30, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
What PT test do they take?
I'm sure they'll eventually dumb it down to the female PT standards, to get rid of the distinction. "With minimal impact on readiness", of course.
Wow...what's next for America? Child soldiers?
Quote from: derspiess on July 01, 2016, 11:52:11 AM
I'm sure they'll eventually dumb it down to the female PT standards, to get rid of the distinction. "With minimal impact on readiness", of course.
This strikes me as a strawman. You have insisted this is going on for years and yet I see no evidence of it occurring. Further I do not even see how it is related to this issue.
Quote from: Jaron on July 01, 2016, 12:21:50 PM
Wow...what's next for America? Child soldiers?
Well a large chunk of them already cannot legally drink :P
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2016, 12:30:19 PM
This strikes me as a strawman.
I was firing from the hip. But I don't see the strawman.
QuoteYou have insisted this is going on for years and yet I see no evidence of it occurring. Further I do not even see how it is related to this issue.
Lowering physical standards? It has absolutely happened and is happening. Airborne school used to be pure hell. Now it's a joke and anyone can get through. And the DoD has repeatedly told different service branches (Marines in particular re: infantry officer school) that if it can't come up with a "convincing argument" that the current physical standards are necessary, they must lower them to allow more women to get through.
Quote from: Jaron on July 01, 2016, 12:21:50 PM
Wow...what's next for America? Child soldiers?
would cause a distraction for soldiers like siege
Quote from: derspiess on July 01, 2016, 12:46:30 PM
Lowering physical standards? It has absolutely happened and is happening. Airborne school used to be pure hell. Now it's a joke and anyone can get through. And the DoD has repeatedly told different service branches (Marines in particular re: infantry officer school) that if it can't come up with a "convincing argument" that the current physical standards are necessary, they must lower them to allow more women to get through.
Bullshit. I have been hearing about this basically since the day Obama entered office. But still in 2015 I keep hearing about how 'this is coming' after all the women fail a fitness test for whatever. But hey digging up the physical fitness requirements from the DoD between 2009 and now should be easy enough. Show me the money.
Now Klinger will never get that Section 8 discharge. :(
Quote from: Savonarola on July 01, 2016, 01:56:32 PM
Now Klinger will never get that Section 8 discharge. :(
:lol:
Quote from: viper37 on July 01, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 30, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
What PT test do they take?
the same one as the bathroom they use.
If you say so.
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Quote from: 11B4V on July 01, 2016, 02:42:41 PM
Quote from: viper37 on July 01, 2016, 12:04:02 AM
Quote from: 11B4V on June 30, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
What PT test do they take?
the same one as the bathroom they use.
If you say so.
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Ok? :huh: