http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304)
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MP injured amid shooting reports
16 June 2016
An MP has been injured following reports of shooting and stabbing in Birstall, West Yorkshire.
Unconfirmed reports suggest Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, was shot and stabbed. A man was also thought to have been stabbed.
It is understood the MP was holding a surgery at Birstall Library before the attack.
She was taken by air ambulance to Leeds General Infirmary. Armed police are said to be outside the hospital.
Or more probably an attack by a deranged elector though we've had politically motivated assaults on MPs in their constituency before.
Hope she's OK and might be a good time to remember that MPs do face heightened risks being the public figures they are.
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Not looking so good for the MP, above page has been updated:
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An MP is in a critical condition after suffering serious injuries in an apparent shooting and stabbing attack in her constituency.
Unconfirmed reports suggest Jo Cox, Labour MP for Batley and Spen, was shot and stabbed. A man also suffered slight injuries.
A 52-year-old man was arrested near Market Street, Birstall, West Yorkshire Police said.
The MP was taken by air ambulance to Leeds General Infirmary.
Armed police are outside the hospital.
It is understood the MP was holding a surgery at Birstall Library before the attack.
An eyewitness said the 41-year-old mother of two was left lying and bleeding on the pavement after the incident.
Eyewitness Hithem Ben Abdallah, 56, was in a cafe next door to the library shortly after 1pm when he heard screaming and went outside.
"There was a guy who was being very brave and another guy with a white baseball cap who he was trying to control and the man in the baseball cap suddenly pulled a gun from his bag".
After a brief scuffle, he said the man stepped back and the MP became involved.
Mr Abdallah said the weapon had "looked handmade" and a man who had been wrestling with the gunman continued even after seeing the gun.
He said: "The man stepped back with the gun and fired it and then he fired a second shot, as he was firing he was looking down at the ground."
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Was it Stephen Timms who was stabbed recently?
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Was it Stephen Timms who was stabbed recently?
Yes, but a few year ago now, wasn't that done by that islamist woman?
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Hold their surgeries? At a library? I don't think I've come across this Britishism before. :unsure:
a surgery?
Quote from: mongers on June 16, 2016, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Was it Stephen Timms who was stabbed recently?
Yes, but a few year ago now, wasn't that done by that islamist woman?
Sorry I didn't mean recently.
This is awful. Hope it reminds everyone these people are still human. I hate the trend of treating every MP with utter contempt (and, if you're on TV getting a big cheer for it) :(
Seeing the below bandied about online. If true, sounds like BNP type nutter?
Quote'an attack by a man who shouted "Britain first"'
We had an assault on an MP and former minister yesterday. I guess it was fortunate that he was only hit in the face and not stabbed or anything.
There's a worrying trend, no MPs can live without threats online (vocal female MPs are threaten several times a day by phone/twitter/etc). It's very sad.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2016, 09:02:57 AM
See the below bandied about online. If true, sounds lie BNP type nutter?
Quote'an attack by a man who shouted "Britain first"'
Britain First is a far right group here.
Cox has been campaigning for remain and also worked a lot on the Syria civil war.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on June 16, 2016, 08:50:09 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Hold their surgeries? At a library? I don't think I've come across this Britishism before. :unsure:
The MP goes to a public building, such as a library, and anyone can go and talk to them about their concerns (usually political in nature of course). I guess they are called surgeries because the experience is rather similar to visiting one's GP. You wait for your turn then have a one-to-one meeting with your MP.
Quote from: Liep on June 16, 2016, 09:05:10 AM
We had an assault on an MP and former minister yesterday. I guess it was fortunate that he was only hit in the face and not stabbed or anything.
There's a worrying trend, no MPs can live without threats online (vocal female MPs are threaten several times a day by phone/twitter/etc). It's very sad.
Yeah. The abuse female MPs get online is absolutely disgraceful. Stella Creasy and Jess Philips spring to mind.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 08:57:40 AM
Quote from: mongers on June 16, 2016, 08:48:09 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 08:44:01 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 08:26:31 AM
They are pretty vulnerable when they hold their surgeries, I remember Chris Mullin going on about it in his diaries.
Could be anything really, no details about the perpetrator yet, apart from being male that is..............we really should ban those chaps.
Was it Stephen Timms who was stabbed recently?
Yes, but a few year ago now, wasn't that done by that islamist woman?
Sorry I didn't mean recently.
This is awful. Hope it reminds everyone these people are still human. I hate the trend of treating every MP with utter contempt (and, if you're on TV getting a big cheer for it) :(
Oh I wasn't going all languish on you for violating the definition of a word.
That's a well made point you remind us of.
Picture apparently of the man being held down by the police: podgy, pale and shaved head. Wouldn't be surprised if he did shout it....
So, not a religion of peace attack?
According to this audio eyewitness report, the attacker knocked her to the floor and was hitting and kicking her. A Pakistani guy from a nearby shop tried to intervene and then he pulled out a gun "which looked handmade" and shot twice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-leeds-36543180 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-leeds-36543180)
In addition to the horror of the attack, it would be sad if this became a deciding factor in a very close EU referendum campaign?
Quote from: Siege on June 16, 2016, 09:37:54 AM
So, not a religion of peace attack?
He's white and not a Muslim, so clearly it can only be an exceptional case of mental illness and not in any way terrorism.
Quote from: Siege on June 16, 2016, 09:37:54 AM
So, not a religion of peace attack?
Disappointed?
Daily Fail has photos of the perpetrator.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2016%2F06%2F16%2F16%2F355AF8C900000578-3644847-image-m-168_1466091282665.jpg&hash=73b72a53cad8b51dba2bce2fb24f8ec9795f2437)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3644847/Woman-MP-Jo-Cox-stabbed-shot-twice-man-makeshift-gun.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3644847/Woman-MP-Jo-Cox-stabbed-shot-twice-man-makeshift-gun.html)
She has died.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304)
Fuck. Horrible :(
:(
Quote from: The Larch on June 16, 2016, 11:18:54 AM
She has died.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36550304)
Oh dear. :(
Killed doing her democratic duty.
Just seen this on the tv, the police officers looked genuinely shocked.
For all our grumbling the UK is a pretty safe and tranquil place. This is almost unprecedented. I'm shocked :(
:(
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
For all our grumbling the UK is a pretty safe and tranquil place. This is almost unprecedented. I'm shocked :(
Yeah. I'm really shocked. She was doing her job.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
For all our grumbling the UK is a pretty safe and tranquil place. This is almost unprecedented. I'm shocked :(
Yeah. I'm really shocked. She was doing her job.
Indeed.
From the look of it, this might be our first political assassination in how many years?
:(
Quote from: mongers on June 16, 2016, 11:44:36 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 11:41:12 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
For all our grumbling the UK is a pretty safe and tranquil place. This is almost unprecedented. I'm shocked :(
Yeah. I'm really shocked. She was doing her job.
Indeed.
From the look of it, this might be our first political assassination in how many years?
Apparently the first since the Troubles. Last sitting MP to be murdered was in 1990.
Edit: Incidentally the referendum campaign's been suspended. There's a debate somewhere now which is still going ahead but is now more a conversation on the topic of 'how to have a public discussion'.
Nationalist asshole.
RiP :(
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François Hollande
J'exprime ma profonde émotion après l'assassinat de Jo Cox. J'adresse mes condoléances à sa famille et ma solidarité au peuple britannique.
16 Jun 2016 @fhollande
I thought of the assassination of Jean Jaurès when I heard about this. I wonder if Hollande did the same.
Quote from: mongers on June 16, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
In addition to the horror of the attack, it would be sad if this became a deciding factor in a very close EU referendum campaign?
it very well might.
Reminds me of the Pim Fortuyn murder right before the Dutch elections a decade or so ago.
Reminds me of the Gabrielle Giffords Tuscon shooting.
Quote from: PRC on June 16, 2016, 03:28:40 PM
Reminds me of the Gabrielle Giffords Tuscon shooting.
I agree, but the political impact of this murder is likely to be a lot greater. God knows what will happen now with the referendum.
I wouldn't bet on it, so late in the campaign. It was obviously a nut case.
I vividly remember Anna Lindh's murder in Sweden in 2003 during the Euro referendum campaign. As she was in favour of joining the Euro and actively and heavily campaigning for it, many believed it would sway voters to vote Yes as it was too close to call at that point. Turned out they were all wrong, it still went 55-43 against the Euro.
In less grave news, 2nd day straight with an assault on a politician here. This time a politician was spat on when she was being interviewed for tv about the recent hate towards politicians. :huh:
The perpetrator was arrested and will face up to 8 years in prison (most likely a lot less though). :justice:
Quote from: PRC on June 16, 2016, 03:28:40 PM
Reminds me of the Gabrielle Giffords Tuscon shooting.
Yes and she's just posted about the event:
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Gabrielle Giffords
@GabbyGiffords 22m
The scores of events that I and so many others like Jo Cox have hosted represent the importance of a democracy connected to its citizens.
View conversation ·
Gabrielle Giffords
@GabbyGiffords 43m
The assassination of MP Jo Cox at the hands of a man driven by hatred is a manifestation of a coarseness in our politics that must stop.
View details ·
Gabrielle Giffords
@GabbyGiffords 4h
Absolutely sickened to hear of the assassination of Jo Cox. She was young, courageous, and hardworking. A rising star, mother, and wife.
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Quote from: PRC on June 16, 2016, 03:28:40 PM
Reminds me of the Gabrielle Giffords Tuscon shooting.
I agree, but the political impact of this murder is likely to be a lot greater. God knows what will happen now with the referendum.
I think that "surgery" thing (which I didn't know about until this thread) is a fine idea, and I hope this doesn't change that.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 16, 2016, 09:07:35 AM
The MP goes to a public building, such as a library, and anyone can go and talk to them about their concerns (usually political in nature of course). I guess they are called surgeries because the experience is rather similar to visiting one's GP. You wait for your turn then have a one-to-one meeting with your MP.
We're very lucky as a society in terms of direct access to our elected officials. I hope we don't end up with lots of security in between that.
Thought of a friend whose dad used to be an MP. He commented that every kid of an MP has seen their parent being harangued in the street and it's awful to think in that situation they may not come home. She was clearly a very good MP but most MPs and most politicians are good people in it for the right reasons and I hope we remember that more.
Surprised how shocked and upset I am. Saw that MPs are now getting personal security briefings and it's just really sad. It doesn't happen here :(
Incidentally, lovely piece by Andrew Mitchell (who was being interviewed when the news broke and dealt with it incredibly well):
QuoteMy fearless friend Jo Cox, a five-foot bundle of Yorkshire grit
ANDREW MITCHELL
16 JUNE 2016 • 7:13PM
Jo Cox was a force of nature, a five-foot bundle of Yorkshire grit and determination absolutely committed to helping other people.
I first met her shortly after she came into the House of Commons for the first time last year. She came to see me to talk about international development, the issue she'd done so much work on.
She said she wanted to set up a new parliamentary group to talk about Syria and the appalling situation there.
What was so striking about that was that here was a newly-elected Labour MP who had so little time for the petty aspects of party-political life of Westminster.
The hardest thing to think about is her two lovely little children. They would come in to Portcullis House for tea with their mum, and now she's gone
At the time, her party leadership was against military intervention in Syria and mine was in favour, which meant the atmosphere around the issue was quite heated. But she was completely uninterested in any of that. She just wanted to do the right thing.
A lot people in her situation would have been very reluctant to work with a wicked old Tory like me, but Jo never minded. During Commons debates about Syria, we would sit across the chamber exchanging text messages.
When we set up the All Party Parliamentary Group on Syria, she and I chaired it together, taking evidence from military commanders, diplomats and officials from the region. She might have been new to Westminster, but she led the way.
She was fearless, utterly fearless. Last year, we went to see the Russian ambassador in London, to give him a rollicking about the terrible way his country has behaved in Syria.
He's a professional diplomat and a pretty tough case. But Jo got the better of him: it was her mixture of charm and steel.
The best word I can think of for her is ballsy. The ambassador just didn't know what to make of her, and she left him looking quite discomforted.
Her great passion in politics was helping the poorest people in the world.
I have no doubt that if Jo had lived, her talent and determination would have taken her to the Cabinet one day, presumably in development or foreign affairs. She'd have done a great job.
Jo grew up in the constituency she represented, and she was committed to the place and the people. She was Yorkshire through and through.
A vital part of our democracy is that people have full and free access to their MPs. That might sometimes involve an element of risk, but we have to be careful not to overstate that, especially since lots of people in lots of jobs face risks: MPs aren't a special case.
I first became an MP in 1987 and I've done hundreds and hundreds of surgeries and never felt under threat in any of them.
It really is horribly unusual for MPs to be in danger from the public.
And Jo was the last one you would ever have thought would ever be at risk, because she was such a lovely, kind person.
It's hard to believe that someone so brave and fearless and fun is dead, but the hardest thing to think about is her two lovely little children. They would come in to Portcullis House for tea with their mum, and now she's gone.
Andrew Mitchell, Conservative MP for Sutton Coldfield, was International Development Secretary 2010-12
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 16, 2016, 04:19:14 PM
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Surprised how shocked and upset I am. Saw that MPs are now getting personal security briefings and it's just really sad. It doesn't happen here :(
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I feel that way, though I'm not surprised by it, after all a positive person and mother has been killed, but it's also a direct attack on our democracy.
A democratic process, which up until now, hasn't exactly been impressive in this referendum campaign.
Also not sure politicians should be calling a halt to active campaigning tomorrow, as we've just six days left to have a proper, broader and a more considered debate about this key decision facing this country.
Thanks for cropping mongers. :cheers:
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 16, 2016, 04:53:46 PM
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Well if I've learnt one thing from Languish, its that. And from you! :D
It seems the facts indicate that the assassin is a neo-Nazi: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
It seems the facts indicate that the assassin is a neo-Nazi: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance
Interesting link, Jacob.
That improvised gun looks exactly like the one described by one of the witnesses, we even sketched for the news reporters what it looked like. He described it as looking ancient or home-made.
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
It seems the facts indicate that the assassin is a neo-Nazi: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance)
Wow, the SPL is good.
The last MP murder not committed by an Irishman was Perceval in 1812.
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 16, 2016, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 16, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
In addition to the horror of the attack, it would be sad if this became a deciding factor in a very close EU referendum campaign?
it very well might.
Reminds me of the Pim Fortuyn murder right before the Dutch elections a decade or so ago.
Wonder why he would do it though. Logical that this would hurt his cause there :hmm:
Very interesting link.
Not sure the British media have spotted this yet.
Quote from: Tyr on June 17, 2016, 12:48:40 AM
Quote from: Crazy_Ivan80 on June 16, 2016, 02:52:52 PM
Quote from: mongers on June 16, 2016, 10:27:00 AM
In addition to the horror of the attack, it would be sad if this became a deciding factor in a very close EU referendum campaign?
it very well might.
Reminds me of the Pim Fortuyn murder right before the Dutch elections a decade or so ago.
Wonder why he would do it though. Logical that this would hurt his cause there :hmm:
In fairness Nazis aren't known for their famous grasp of logic.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 17, 2016, 01:31:56 AM
Very interesting link.
Not sure the British media have spotted this yet.
Yeah. I'd seen some stuff about his links to the Springbok club but that's about it.
Like Orlando it appears to be a case of nutter with a cause.
A downside of the internet perhaps. Mentally ill people can find places on it where they can get support and self-radicalise.
Yeah. What a waste :(
Although I have loved watching Britain First's Facebook page go into lengthy post on why you shouldn't judge their entire movement by the actions of one lunatic :lol:
Edit: Though having said that I did think Dennis McShane's comparison with Linda was interesting and his comment plebiscite = hate.
I'm sure that Britain First's other four supporters are quite rational :P
Or, serious point, I don't think there is much of this stuff going on in the UK, the attack was sui generis.
I couldn't help but laugh when I saw a pic of Farage at the flotilla yesterday. He was wearing a double-breasted blazer-type jacket with brass buttons..........of course he was :P
That is Britain's "far right", or 99% of it, we are fortunate.
Apparently she'd been getting threats in the mail and police were going to step up security. Not soon enough, though :(
So sad, she seems like she was a wonderful person from everything I've read. :(
Really striking and awful the number of journalists and politicians from all sides who are clearly struggling not to cry when they talk about her.
It makes you think how awful it must be in that small community :(
Edit: Also lots of MPs saying on Twitter that their surgeries will be going ahead as normal today. Which is admirable and, I think, the right response.
And it's not confirmed but it looks like the Tories won't contest the by election.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 17, 2016, 06:35:12 AM
Really striking and awful the number of journalists and politicians from all sides who are clearly struggling not to cry when they talk about her.
It makes you think how awful it must be in that small community :(
Edit: Also lots of MPs saying on Twitter that their surgeries will be going ahead as normal today. Which is admirable and, I think, the right response.
And it's not confirmed but it looks like the Tories won't contest the by election.
The murder itself is of course a terrible tragedy, but I must admit, the British response to it has been very impressive on all sides.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 17, 2016, 06:35:12 AM
And it's not confirmed but it looks like the Tories won't contest the by election.
Now that is impressive if true.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 17, 2016, 01:31:56 AM
Very interesting link.
Not sure the British media have spotted this yet.
It's in the Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/17/jo-cox-suspect-thomas-mair-bought-gun-manuals-from-us-neo-nazis-group-claims)and Spectator (http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/jo-cox-murder-suspect-neo-nazi-supporter-report/)now, though based off the SPLC story.
Quote from: Razgovory on June 16, 2016, 06:59:54 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 16, 2016, 06:31:30 PM
It seems the facts indicate that the assassin is a neo-Nazi: https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance (https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/06/16/alleged-killer-british-mp-was-longtime-supporter-neo-nazi-national-alliance)
Wow, the SPL is good.
I have a lot of respect for the SPLC - they do a lot of unglamorous work documenting and tracking this kind of stuff and are an invaluable resource. I know some people - IIRC incl. some on languish - have them down as some sort of unreliable shrill liberal partisan organization or some such, but that's not been my observation. They're pretty level headed and thorough.
Quote from: Valmy on June 17, 2016, 08:08:46 AM
Now that is impressive if true.
All the main parties have confirmed they won't run against Labour.
QuoteThe murder itself is of course a terrible tragedy, but I must admit, the British response to it has been very impressive on all sides.
I have some hope that people who were rhetorically kicking seven shades of shit into each other last week very quickly came together over this. I've worried for a while that we were developing a US style culture war but I do think the response to this indicates that we're maybe not that far gone and hopefully we'll pull back now. Everyone'll start to remember that Tories aren't evil, Labour aren't traitors, UKIP aren't scum and while Lib Dems are still Lib Dems they can't really help it.
Parliament's going to be recalled on Monday and there are suggestions that all MPs should sit together, cross-bench, rather than in their party groups. Which would be interesting.
Edit: Archbishop of Canterbury and others, including Farage, held a two minute vigil in Parliament Square. Thought this photo of the Archbishop was interesting because of the lack of visible security. I really hope we do keep that:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/dcbf868f62a1b1de3a54504ade532957e304b0c3/0_233_5184_3110/master/5184.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=2008aeea866680fe607a318d92823ac6)
Who would ever murder an Archbishop of Canterbury?? :unsure:
Careful with that axe dear Queen
The doofus checking his texts should be cropped out.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 17, 2016, 03:25:12 PM
The doofus checking his texts should be cropped out.
I think he is taking a photo, no?
Well what some local people are saying seems at odds with the act he's carried out.
I'm not sure the mental health defence is 'legitimate' given how elaborate the assassination plot appears to be.
I suspect somewhere is an on-line 'community' that has egged him on, if not for this specific attack, then in more general terms ,like fostering a culture of hate towards high profile women in UK public life. But maybe he's one of the 1 in 12 Brits who doesn't use the internet.
Quote from: mongers on June 17, 2016, 04:16:29 PMI'm not sure the mental health defence is 'legitimate' given how elaborate the assassination plot appears to be.
Yeah. And I find the mental health aspect less prominent (beyond needing to be a sicko to do this) given he was apparently subscribing to and getting instruction manuals from extremist groups, had Nazi regalia etc.
QuoteI suspect somewhere is an on-line 'community' that has egged him on, if not for this specific attack, then in more general terms ,like fostering a culture of hate towards high profile women in UK public life. But maybe he's one of the 1 in 12 Brits who doesn't use the internet.
I remember reading that he was always down the library often helping people use the computers. So I imagine there'd be some there.
But there was a far right group that posted a picture of another female Labour MP and the address of an event she attending with a message like 'she needs to go'. And of course there was the Britain First message after Sadiq was elected. Plus the general online shite that especially female MPs have to put up with - the knife threat to Stella Creasy, that awful chain of rape comments at Jess Philips, the anti-semitic stuff towards Luciana Berger. I think in each of those cases there's been some element of physical harassment/stalking too.
Don't often, but quite liked Martin Rowson's cartoon on this:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/5659325a6fa22f67fe71eb48f0413fd340bb8eb5/0_0_4841_3331/master/4841.jpg?w=940&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=0dbbec265af6cf2a32e3cc222d39cebd)
Quote from: The Brain on June 17, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Who would ever murder an Archbishop of Canterbury?? :unsure:
Two drunken knights, freshly returned from the Crusades?
The murderer gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" in court today. That confirms the nationalist motivation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005
Quote from: Zanza on June 18, 2016, 05:20:48 AM
The murderer gave his name as "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain" in court today. That confirms the nationalist motivation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005
Yep. And there's pictures circulating that are allegedly him at a Britain First event.
They've also confirmed details of the 77 year old man who was injured:
QuoteRetired miner who tried to tackle Jo Cox's attacker was also hero of colliery disaster
Harry Yorke Martin Evans
17 JUNE 2016 • 10:00PM
A 77-year-old former miner was named today as the pensioner who was stabbed as he bravely tried to tackle Jo Cox's killer.
Bernard Kenny was waiting outside Birstall library in his car, after taking his wife there to return a book, when he saw the MP being attacked and got out of his car to help her.
He was stabbed in the abdomen by the gunman, and remains in hospital being treated for serious injuries, which are described as "non life threatening".
West Yorkshire's Acting Chief Constable, Dee Collins, praised Mr Kenny's actions today, saying he had "bravely intervened to assist Jo".
Friends said Mr Kenny's selfless act was typical of his character, as he had risked his life as one of the rescuers involved in a colliery disaster 40 years ago.
Mr Kenny's next door neighbour Peter Robertshaw, 60, said he was a "great man" who "kept fit and can look after himself."
He said: "My wife rang this morning to say Bernard had been injured yesterday, she was dead upset.
"I was shocked, but I'm not surprised he did jump in to help. He's a great guy, always happy to help out.
"He's retired, I've known him for 16 years but you wouldn't think he was 77.
"He keeps active and swims every day. He's quite private but we get on well.
Another neighbour described Mr Kenny as a "stocky man, who keeps himself to himself".
"He doesn't want any fuss, but he's a very brave man," he added. "I'm just shocked, I saw it all yesterday and a man lying on the floor in the sandwich shop. I didn't even realise it was Bernard."
In 1973 Mr Kenny was a member of the Gomersal Mines Rescue Brigade when he and his colleagues rushed to the scene of the Lofthouse Colliery disaster.
Seven miners died after water flooded the pit in Wakefield, but only one body was ever recovered.
Speaking on the 30th anniversary of the tragedy, Mr Kenny said: "It was rough. The conditions we had to work in were rough. I've never seen conditions like it and I never want to see them again. It was very bad.
"You were up to your neck in water and breathing apparatus was needed because there was a high percentage of gas.
"But we went on with it because you ought to do. It was your duty to try and help them and it was sad when it had to be called off."
A brave man. When I get sad about the death of our coal-mining communities it is because of the death of a culture that produced many men like Mr Kenny.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 17, 2016, 04:34:22 PM
Don't often, but quite liked Martin Rowson's cartoon on this:
lol, Languish
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 18, 2016, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 17, 2016, 04:34:22 PM
Don't often, but quite liked Martin Rowson's cartoon on this:
lol, Languish
A lot more of the time than it needs to be, that is for sure.
But we represent the very vitriol and polarization that has become political discourse in the internet age. It is all about the tribes and in/out demonization.
So in case there was any doubt, Thomas Mair gave his name as "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared in court.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005
Quote from: Berkut on June 18, 2016, 10:01:19 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on June 18, 2016, 09:46:06 AM
lol, Languish
A lot more of the time than it needs to be, that is for sure.
But we represent the very vitriol and polarization that has become political discourse in the internet age. It is all about the tribes and in/out demonization.
Yeah...but on the other hand, you people are assholes.
Quote from: Sheilbh on June 17, 2016, 04:34:22 PM
Don't often, but quite liked Martin Rowson's cartoon on this:
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/5659325a6fa22f67fe71eb48f0413fd340bb8eb5/0_0_4841_3331/master/4841.jpg?w=940&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=0dbbec265af6cf2a32e3cc222d39cebd)
No cubs? :unsure:
Quote from: Jacob on June 18, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
So in case there was any doubt, Thomas Mair gave his name as "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared in court.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005
This link gave me script bug issue. Be forewarned.
Quote from: Jacob on June 18, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
So in case there was any doubt, Thomas Mair gave his name as "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared in court.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005
Ah lovely.
Reminds me of a facebook conversation I had randomly not too long ago.
him:
Cunt
me:
Nice to meet you cunt. I'm tyr
him:
Traitorous northern wanker
me:
explain? :)
a day later, no response, so me again:
No? OK? Enjoy a glorious future in the EU
him:
I will do thanks, you
Traitor. Wouldn't it be nice if u got gassed
Really wonder what will happen with these people if (hopefully) remain wins.
I disagree with the Rowson cartoon. I'd have gone with lots of angry sheep (hard to draw perhaps?) and just the one dangerous wolf.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 19, 2016, 01:58:07 AM
I disagree with the Rowson cartoon. I'd have gone with lots of angry sheep (hard to draw perhaps?) and just the one dangerous wolf.
Nobody wants to be savaged by an angry sheep
Quote from: Gups on June 20, 2016, 05:35:10 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on June 19, 2016, 01:58:07 AM
I disagree with the Rowson cartoon. I'd have gone with lots of angry sheep (hard to draw perhaps?) and just the one dangerous wolf.
Nobody wants to be savaged by an angry sheep
The Brain?
For what is worth, I don't plan to assassinate any of you. :hug:
Quote from: celedhring on June 20, 2016, 07:09:19 AM
For what is worth, I don't plan to assassinate any of you. :hug:
You said that last yime :ph34r:
Quote from: Tyr on June 18, 2016, 01:00:42 PM
Quote from: Jacob on June 18, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
So in case there was any doubt, Thomas Mair gave his name as "death to traitors, freedom for Britain" when he appeared in court.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36567005)
Ah lovely.
Reminds me of a facebook conversation I had randomly not too long ago.
him:
Cunt
me:
Nice to meet you cunt. I'm tyr
him:
Traitorous northern wanker
me:
explain? :)
a day later, no response, so me again:
No? OK? Enjoy a glorious future in the EU
him:
I will do thanks, you
Traitor. Wouldn't it be nice if u got gassed
Really wonder what will happen with these people if (hopefully) remain wins.
Gassing seem like it's becoming really popular with the right-wing crowd.
Quote from: Gups on June 20, 2016, 11:25:40 AM
Quote from: celedhring on June 20, 2016, 07:09:19 AM
For what is worth, I don't plan to assassinate any of you. :hug:
You said that last yime :ph34r:
I simply don't have the thyme.
Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
I simply don't have the thyme.
Are you going to Scarborough Fair?
Quote from: Razgovory on June 20, 2016, 11:39:35 AM
Gassing seem like it's becoming really popular with the right-wing crowd.
Probably the same people that deny the Holocaust.
Don't be silly. It's an ironic absurdist joke about political correctness. They're veritable Bretons.
Quote from: Jacob on June 20, 2016, 11:51:25 AM
Quote from: Valmy on June 20, 2016, 11:45:53 AM
Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2016, 11:43:10 AM
I simply don't have the thyme.
Are you going to Scarborough Fair?
A sage question indeed.
I'm afraid I can only parsley answer his question at this time. It may prove too chili.
Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
I'm afraid I can only parsley answer his question at this time. It may prove too chili.
I apologize for peppering you with questions like that. I hope you bay leave I did not intend to be in salting.
Damn. I cannot think of any rosemary puns.
Thanks for spicing up this thread.
Quote from: Jacob on June 20, 2016, 12:02:45 PM
Quote from: garbon on June 20, 2016, 11:57:32 AM
I'm afraid I can only parsley answer his question at this time. It may prove too chili.
I apologize for peppering you with questions like that. I hope you bay leave I did not intend to be in salting.
Now, now. Let's not get caraway.
:frusty:
Quote from: Valmy on June 20, 2016, 12:04:08 PM
Damn. I cannot think of any rosemary puns.
I can't either right now, but if I could come up with one, I'd bet it would have something to do with George Clooney's aunt.