With all this talk of going to other planets I'm curious about the legal situation. Is there today a consensus on which law will apply where on other planets, and on legal matters in general?
The spaceship itself during the trip is just like a ship at sea I assume. No huge legal problems I guess. But what about the permanent settlements on Mars? Will some country's law apply there? If so how is it decided which country's law?
If, for instance, a settlement on Mars falls under some country's law, then you get all kinds of problems regarding inspections etc. How will the government agencies inspect compliance in the early years before routine trips are feasible (it's not unlikely that a settlement will include equipment that requires a license and so on)? You can easily end up in a situation where either the settlement or the government agency is in violation of the law. Hos will these issues be handled?
Btw, will it be easier to pass the bar on Mars than on Earth? I'm asking for a friend.
I would assume it works similar to Antarctica, so each country has jurisdiction over its own citizens. The issue of enforcement is another matter - but then I assume it will "work" the same it worked for jurisdiction over expeditions on Earth in the 19th century - i.e. poorly. :P
Quote from: Martinus on June 05, 2016, 02:37:20 AM
I would assume it works similar to Antarctica, so each country has jurisdiction over its own citizens. The issue of enforcement is another matter - but then I assume it will "work" the same it worked for jurisdiction over expeditions on Earth in the 19th century - i.e. poorly. :P
If a company operates in Antarctica, is it where it's registered that determines which law it lives under, or is it the citizenships of the owners, or how is this done?
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2016, 02:41:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 05, 2016, 02:37:20 AM
I would assume it works similar to Antarctica, so each country has jurisdiction over its own citizens. The issue of enforcement is another matter - but then I assume it will "work" the same it worked for jurisdiction over expeditions on Earth in the 19th century - i.e. poorly. :P
If a company operates in Antarctica, is it where it's registered that determines which law it lives under, or is it the citizenships of the owners, or how is this done?
The former - in fact that's how it works anywhere in the world - a French company operating in the US has to obey French law (as well as US one).
Quote from: Martinus on June 05, 2016, 02:44:15 AM
Quote from: The Brain on June 05, 2016, 02:41:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on June 05, 2016, 02:37:20 AM
I would assume it works similar to Antarctica, so each country has jurisdiction over its own citizens. The issue of enforcement is another matter - but then I assume it will "work" the same it worked for jurisdiction over expeditions on Earth in the 19th century - i.e. poorly. :P
If a company operates in Antarctica, is it where it's registered that determines which law it lives under, or is it the citizenships of the owners, or how is this done?
The former - in fact that's how it works anywhere in the world - a French company operating in the US has to obey French law (as well as US one).
If US and French law ever conflict they have to cease operations in the US I assume? That's one of the reasons they have local daughter companies?
If Mars doesn't have local law then companies will only be bound by the laws of the country where they are registered. How anything-goes are the laws of the worst trash countries today?
According to the Outer Space Treaty, celestial bodies such as Mars are the common heritage of mankind and may not be claimed by the sovereign states of Earth. I guess that makes them lawless. The spacecraft going there are under the jurisdiction of the state that sent them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty
So, the key question here is: if I murder somebody in Mars outside the spaceship, can I get away with it? I smell a Hollywood sci-fi courtroom drama here!
Well, most countries claim jurisdiction over crimes committed against the interests of their own citizens, even by foreigners outside of their territorial jurisdiction.
Whoever can get their computer to throw rocks accurately at the Earth gets to rule themselves.
Quote from: Martinus on June 05, 2016, 03:38:58 AM
Well, most countries claim jurisdiction over crimes committed against the interests of their own citizens, even by foreigners outside of their territorial jurisdiction.
What if Jack Nicholson is the defense attorney though?
Quote from: celedhring on June 05, 2016, 03:23:32 AM
So, the key question here is: if I murder somebody in Mars outside the spaceship, can I get away with it? I smell a Hollywood sci-fi courtroom drama here!
Presumably the rest of your expedition would take issue. Maybe be inclined to administer some frontier justice.
If there is no efficient way for law enforcement from Earth to reach Mars, very soon the colonists will take matters into their own hands and set up their own legal system. Which may not be a bad thing.
Quote from: celedhring on June 05, 2016, 03:23:32 AM
So, the key question here is: if I murder somebody in Mars outside the spaceship, can I get away with it? I smell a Hollywood sci-fi courtroom drama here!
From Article VIII of the treaty: "A State Party to the Treaty on whose registry an object launched into outer space is carried shall retain jurisdiction and control over such object, and over any personnel thereof, while in outer space or on a celestial body."
So basically, the crew of a spaceship is still under the law of the nation that launched the ship, even if it's landed on a planet and they've left the ship.
Rats, guess I'll steal garbon's pitch and make it a space western instead. :hmm:
Here's your law, bitches.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5641f690e4b07d9ae5c82879/t/56a8db690bfe8ea72cca814d/1322483108049/1000w/Mars_Attacks190610221414mars_attack_4.jpg)
Quote from: celedhring on June 05, 2016, 07:19:44 AM
Rats, guess I'll steal garbon's pitch and make it a space western instead. :hmm:
Ever the muse. -_-
What's more important, what law will apply when one tries to fund a lawsuit against a gossip new-site for reporting on someone visiting a Martian gay sauna in order to tell anti-semitic jokes?
Too topical.