Gross :mad:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31681795/ns/health-fitness/
QuoteAs 23 states get even fatter, heavy costs loom
Not a single state shows signs of slimming; Miss. remains No. 1 for obesity
AP
updated 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Mississippi's still king of cellulite, but an ominous tide is rolling toward the Medicare doctors in neighboring Alabama: obese baby boomers.
It's time for the nation's annual obesity rankings and, outside of fairly lean Colorado, there's little good news. Obesity rates among adults rose in 23 states over the past year and didn't decline anywhere, says a new report from the Trust for America's Health and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
And while the nation has long been bracing for a surge in Medicare as the boomers start turning 65, the new report makes clear that fat, not just age, will fuel much of those bills. In every state, the rate of obesity is higher among 55- to 64-year-olds — the oldest boomers — than among today's 65-and-beyond.
New wave of obesity
That translates into a coming jump of obese Medicare patients that ranges from 5.2 percent in New York to a high of 16.3 percent in Alabama, the report concluded. In Alabama, nearly 39 percent of the oldest boomers are obese.
Health economists once made the harsh financial calculation that the obese would save money by dying sooner, notes Jeff Levi, executive director of the Trust, a nonprofit public health group. But more recent research instead suggests they live nearly as long but are much sicker for longer, requiring such costly interventions as knee replacements and diabetes care and dialysis. Studies show Medicare spends anywhere from $1,400 to $6,000 more annually on health care for an obese senior than for the non-obese.
No magic bullet
"There isn't a magic bullet. We don't have a pill for it," said Levi, whose group is pushing for health reform legislation to include community-level programs that help people make healthier choices — like building sidewalks so people can walk their neighborhoods instead of drive, and providing healthier school lunches.
"It's not going to be solved in the doctor's office but in the community, where we change norms," Levi said.
Obesity for adults is defined as having a body mass index above 30, a much higher bar than merely being overweight. When combined, two-thirds of American adults are either obese or overweight.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has long said that nearly a third of Americans are obese. The Trust report uses somewhat more conservative CDC surveys for a closer state-by-state look. Among the findings:
* Mississippi had the highest rate of adult obesity, 32.5 percent, for the fifth year in a row.
* Three additional states now have adult obesity rates above 30 percent, including Alabama, 31.2 percent; West Virginia, 31.1 percent; and Tennessee, 30.2 percent.
* Colorado had the lowest rate of obese adults, at 18.9 percent, followed by Massachusetts, 21.2 percent; and Connecticut, 21.3 percent.
* Mississippi also had the highest rate of overweight and obese children, at 44.4 percent. It's followed by Arkansas, 37.5 percent; and Georgia, 37.3 percent.
* Following Alabama, Michigan ranks No. 2 with the most obese 55- to 64-year-olds, 36 percent. Colorado has the lowest rate, 21.8 percent.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press.
USA! USA!
And Leon's getting larger!
:mad:
Geez Colorado is the lowest and still has a frightening 19% of its people above a BMI of 30.
Holy crap.
Fat killing America. Add an aging population and lack of reproduction, I wonder how the demographics will be 20-30 years from now.
Isn't this a good thing?
Fatter seniors = lower life expectancy = lower overall Medicare costs per lifetime
Quote from: Strix on July 01, 2009, 12:54:25 PM
Isn't this a good thing?
Fatter seniors = lower life expectancy = lower overall Medicare costs per lifetime
Read the article.
I will say this: if you live the lifestyle our culture presents to you and do not make an effort you WILL be obese.
I blame YOU for this America. Your buying of shitty food for decades has transformed our way of life into the fatass way of life.
Example: I went to a restaurant recently and the 'heathy food' section guaranteed each dish had less than 900 calories and 9 grams of fat. Shit that is the "health freak" food?
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2009, 01:00:25 PM
I blame YOU for this America.
:Embarrass:
What can we do to make it up to you?
Put $1 fattax on each hamburger sold. probably enough to cover the healthcare costs.
Quote from: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 01:04:27 PM
What can we do to make it up to you?
By not making me pay shitloads to fund your fatass' healthcare preferably.
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2009, 01:06:19 PM
By not making me pay shitloads to fund your fatass' healthcare preferably.
Would you take a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken instead?
Quote from: Phillip V on July 01, 2009, 12:56:37 PM
Quote from: Strix on July 01, 2009, 12:54:25 PM
Isn't this a good thing?
Fatter seniors = lower life expectancy = lower overall Medicare costs per lifetime
Read the article.
Ok, that sort of answers the question. That they are unwilling to provide actually numbers suggests that this article is just hyperbole at best.
Quote from: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 01:08:00 PM
Would you take a bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken instead?
:unsure:
Um....
Ok :blush:
Not me. I've lost 6 pounds and am well on my way to 160. :)
Quote from: Jos Theelen on July 01, 2009, 01:05:15 PM
Put $1 fattax on each hamburger sold. probably enough to cover the healthcare costs.
:ultra:
Quote from: Faeelin on July 01, 2009, 01:13:50 PM
Not me. I've lost 6 pounds and am well on my way to 160. :)
*high five* I have lost 25 pounds so far this year. I am on my way to 170.
We shall be shining beacons of thinness in a sea of lard.
Quote from: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: Jos Theelen on July 01, 2009, 01:05:15 PM
Put $1 fattax on each hamburger sold. probably enough to cover the healthcare costs.
:ultra:
Eat more salad.
Where's the fat coming from? Sudan? North Korea?
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2009, 01:16:16 PMEat more salad.
I actually periodically frequent Wendys. However, I only order a side salad w/ no dressing and a crispy chicken sandwich w/ only lettuce + tomato, coming out to about $2.50 for my meal. I drink water from a faucet, which is free.
Then I take 20 faucets.
Quote from: The Brain on July 01, 2009, 01:34:18 PM
Where's the fat coming from? Sudan? North Korea?
That undiscovered country ruled by The Burger King and The Dairy Queen.
Quote from: Savonarola on July 01, 2009, 01:39:20 PMThat undiscovered country ruled by The Burger King and The Dairy Queen.
Has Dairy Queen ever been personified by a spokesman like Burger King? Her and BK together would be kinky.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evanmix.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F12%2Fthe_burger_king.jpg&hash=e17ae4dc6c8a57e9445a9d6da509c3ffb00b2601)
:lol:
Quote from: Phillip V on July 01, 2009, 01:52:16 PM
Has Dairy Queen ever been personified by a spokesman like Burger King? Her and BK together would be kinky.
I'm not sure, but this came up on Google:
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stripersonline.com%2Fsurftalk%2Fattachment.php%3Fattachmentid%3D53871%26amp%3Bd%3D1183900070&hash=649cd2f5e2222b3fa8a59d84b398efdc9cfb83cc)
:unsure:
Dairy slut!
I'm so there! :mmm:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31686986/ns/business-food_inc/
QuoteAP
McDonald's to debut $4 angus burgers
Third-pound of beef will be alternative to pricier sit-down restaurants
updated 5 minutes ago
NEW YORK - McDonald's will begin selling a new line of bigger burgers priced at about $4 each on Thursday to bring in customers looking for a beefy alternative to pricier burgers at sit-down restaurants.
The new Angus burgers are made with one-third pound of Angus beef and come in three varieties — a deluxe burger with pickles and tomatoes, a mushroom burger and a bacon and cheese burger.
The burgers will be sold in all U.S. locations for the next few months.
McDonald's has been testing the burger for several years in Ohio, New York, Los Angeles and New Mexico but it held back from introducing it to all U.S. consumers to focus on its core menu and lower-priced offerings.
© 2009 The Associated Press.
They rolled those out at the McDonalds in my town about a month ago. I had one on Monday evening (the bacon and cheddar angus) and found it delightful.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:17:05 PM
I'm so there! :mmm:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31686986/ns/business-food_inc/
QuoteAP
McDonald's to debut $4 angus burgers
Third-pound of beef will be alternative to pricier sit-down restaurants
updated 5 minutes ago
NEW YORK - McDonald's will begin selling a new line of bigger burgers priced at about $4 each on Thursday to bring in customers looking for a beefy alternative to pricier burgers at sit-down restaurants.
The new Angus burgers are made with one-third pound of Angus beef and come in three varieties — a deluxe burger with pickles and tomatoes, a mushroom burger and a bacon and cheese burger.
The burgers will be sold in all U.S. locations for the next few months.
McDonald's has been testing the burger for several years in Ohio, New York, Los Angeles and New Mexico but it held back from introducing it to all U.S. consumers to focus on its core menu and lower-priced offerings.
© 2009 The Associated Press.
A local McD's had a billboard sign up for "Angus Burgers" and someone stole the first "g".
Quote from: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 02:18:50 PM
They rolled those out at the McDonalds in my town about a month ago. I had one on Monday evening (the bacon and cheddar angus) and found it delightful.
What else is on it?
Quote from: Malthus on July 01, 2009, 02:19:56 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:17:05 PM
I'm so there! :mmm:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31686986/ns/business-food_inc/
QuoteAP
McDonald's to debut $4 angus burgers
Third-pound of beef will be alternative to pricier sit-down restaurants
updated 5 minutes ago
NEW YORK - McDonald's will begin selling a new line of bigger burgers priced at about $4 each on Thursday to bring in customers looking for a beefy alternative to pricier burgers at sit-down restaurants.
The new Angus burgers are made with one-third pound of Angus beef and come in three varieties — a deluxe burger with pickles and tomatoes, a mushroom burger and a bacon and cheese burger.
The burgers will be sold in all U.S. locations for the next few months.
McDonald's has been testing the burger for several years in Ohio, New York, Los Angeles and New Mexico but it held back from introducing it to all U.S. consumers to focus on its core menu and lower-priced offerings.
© 2009 The Associated Press.
A local McD's had a billboard sign up for "Angus Burgers" and someone stole the first "g".
Gross, that actually means it says "Anus Burgers"!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:21:21 PM
What else is on it?
Lettuce, tomato, mayo, red onion. Can't recall if there was ketchup and/or mustard. The bun was different, too... more like a kaiser roll (but it did have sesame seeds).
Söze or Wilhelm?
Quote from: Phillip V on July 01, 2009, 01:36:44 PM
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2009, 01:16:16 PMEat more salad.
I actually periodically frequent Wendys. However, I only order a side salad w/ no dressing and a crispy chicken sandwich w/ only lettuce + tomato, coming out to about $2.50 for my meal. I drink water from a faucet, which is free.
You are like a negro Monoriu
Didn't McDonalds already have Angus burgers?
Jack in the Box had that cute counter ad with the butcher diagram of a cow and the boy asking "Where on the cow is the Angus?"
Quote from: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 02:33:40 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 02:21:21 PM
What else is on it?
Lettuce, tomato, mayo, red onion. Can't recall if there was ketchup and/or mustard. The bun was different, too... more like a kaiser roll (but it did have sesame seeds).
Sounds good, but I need mayo on a burger like that.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 03:16:03 PM
Sounds good, but I need mayo on a burger like that.
Fortunately, there's mayo on there. Just like I said in my post. :contract: :huh:
Quote from: Strix on July 01, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
Ok, that sort of answers the question. That they are unwilling to provide actually numbers suggests that this article is just hyperbole at best.
They are using numbers, but it's BMI so worthless.
Quote from: Jaron on July 01, 2009, 02:57:42 PM
Didn't McDonalds already have Angus burgers?
They definitely had one (or more?) in early 2008 in NJ/NY.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 01, 2009, 03:23:12 PMThey are using numbers, but it's BMI so worthless.
There are exceptions with very muscular types, but I'd say at least 90% of those with a high BMI are actually too fat.
ABSOLUTELY APPETIZING! :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on July 01, 2009, 03:21:11 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 03:16:03 PM
Sounds good, but I need mayo on a burger like that.
Fortunately, there's mayo on there. Just like I said in my post. :contract: :huh:
Missed it somehow. :blush:
Quote from: Faeelin on July 01, 2009, 01:13:50 PM
Not me. I've lost 6 pounds and am well on my way to 160. :)
Nice one. How tall are you?
Quote from: Zanza on July 01, 2009, 03:27:13 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 01, 2009, 03:23:12 PMThey are using numbers, but it's BMI so worthless.
There are exceptions with very muscular types, but I'd say at least 90% of those with a high BMI are actually too fat.
Oh, sure. Doesn't change the fact that the scale completely disregards it.
Most men's *ideal* weight would be "overweight" on the scale, or very close to it.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 01, 2009, 03:23:12 PM
They are using numbers, but it's BMI so worthless.
Well the country's BMI is going up rapidly and I do not think people are just working out more. That does not necessarily mean people are overweight BUT they certainly weigh more than they used to.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 01, 2009, 03:31:52 PM
Oh, sure. Doesn't change the fact that the scale completely disregards it.
Most men's *ideal* weight would be "overweight" on the scale, or very close to it.
Again this is irrelevent unless somehow all things are not equal with 1991 or 1985. Unless you can prove our bodies have changed dramatically or people just lift weight more....
But I guess it could be all the steroids people are taking.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
Gross :mad:
And then the next moment he is all :w00t: for McD's hamburgers.
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2009, 03:36:14 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 01, 2009, 03:31:52 PM
Oh, sure. Doesn't change the fact that the scale completely disregards it.
Most men's *ideal* weight would be "overweight" on the scale, or very close to it.
Again this is irrelevent unless somehow all things are not equal with 1991 or 1985. Unless you can prove our bodies have changed dramatically or people just lift weight more....
But I guess it could be all the steroids people are taking.
Maybe it's all the short Mexicans. ;)
Pedro Wiggins, your arguments sound like something fat people say to feel less insecure.
Now that I have lost weight, I am certain that the BMI is an accurate and good measurement.
Quote from: Jaron on July 01, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
Pedro Wiggins, your arguments sound like something fat people say to feel less insecure.
:lol:
And the BMI is something scrawny guys reference to feel less insecure. ;)
Quote from: Valmy on July 01, 2009, 03:36:54 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 01, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
Gross :mad:
And then the next moment he is all :w00t: for McD's hamburgers.
I don't have problems with my weight. :contract:
I enjoy watching fat people eat.
You'd have a blast at katmai's house then.
Quote from: Jaron on July 01, 2009, 05:34:29 PM
You'd have a blast at katmai's house then.
Not really, as i have no food there.
americans are once again taking the measures needed tocombat rising sealevels.
fat floats.
Quote from: Strix on July 01, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
Ok, that sort of answers the question. That they are unwilling to provide actually numbers suggests that this article is just hyperbole at best.
Looking for sources, and I'm seeing massive argument. It seems nobody's got solid numbers; NIH has been thinking about dropping the average life expectancy for the US because of the obesity rate, but a lot of doctors are complaining that the logic behind the forecasting is flawed.
Found an interesting op-ed on how it's flawed from the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey dating all the way back from 2005.
http://healthfullife.umdnj.edu/archives/obesity_archive.htm
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 02, 2009, 08:43:56 AM
http://healthfullife.umdnj.edu/archives/obesity_archive.htm
QuoteThe United Nations most recent long-term projections concludes that by 2300, the lowest life expectancy in any country in the world will be 87 to 88 years
Don't see that happening. Some places are still going to be completely fucked a century from now.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 02, 2009, 09:27:36 AM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 02, 2009, 08:43:56 AM
http://healthfullife.umdnj.edu/archives/obesity_archive.htm
QuoteThe United Nations most recent long-term projections concludes that by 2300, the lowest life expectancy in any country in the world will be 87 to 88 years
Don't see that happening. Some places are still going to be completely fucked a century from now.
It's all based on what the countries are actually reporting. For example, we're pretty sure China's been fibbing on its longevity reports, but we just don't have any proof yet.
let's cut to the fat. it's simply unamerican to go against fat freedom.
the obese should get on their segways and roll en masse to Washington. instead of the million man march, it can be the trillion pound rotation. based on the size of their lobby, I'm sure legislators will give their proposals full weight.
I agree Sask. It is a weighty issue indeed. The problem is too large to tackle even without the trillion pound blob rolling into Washington.
On the serious side I read recently that healthy food costs substatially more then unhealthy junk food. No real mystery why North America is getting fat. This may be the largest unintended consequence of all time. Who would have anticipated that subsidizing corn production in the US would have turned out to be such an unhealthy decision.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 11:25:05 AM
On the serious side I read recently that healthy food costs substatially more then unhealthy junk food.
Not true but healthy food does cost more to get pre-prepared. You can eat healthy for very little but you have to, you know, prepare the food yourself. Americans don't usually have that sort of time to burn on food.
The bigger problem is all the food presented as "normal" is ridiculously unhealthy. You have to reject your own culture to an extent.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 11:29:27 AM
Not true but healthy food does cost more to get pre-prepared. You can eat healthy for very little but you have to, you know, prepare the food yourself. Americans don't usually have that sort of time to burn on food.
I disagree.
Even cooking from scratch you can't eat a healthy meal for the cost of a quarter pounder meal from McDonalds. Produce is the real killer - fresh produce is expensive stuff. You can probably eat somewhat better than the average american diet by eating like our grandparents and mostly filling up on starches like potatos or pasta, but that isn't exactly healthy either.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 11:29:27 AM
Not true but healthy food does cost more to get pre-prepared. You can eat healthy for very little but you have to, you know, prepare the food yourself. Americans don't usually have that sort of time to burn on food.
Dont think so Valmy. I cant link you to anything because I have come to this understanding from some books I have read lately along with recent news reports but the conclusion reached is that cheap corn creates cheap corn fed beef (for fast food) and cheap processed food (which is found not only in fast food restaurants but also in most of the products bought cheaply in grocery stores.
But the problem with the processed foods is that they are very high in sugar/calories. Which then of course leads to a fat population.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 11:29:27 AMAmericans don't usually have that sort of time to burn on food.
Too busy watching tv and playing WoW.
Solution: end corn subsidies? Who cares about Iowa anyway. If Iowa fell into the ocean Garbon wouldn't even notice.
Quote from: DisturbedPervert on July 02, 2009, 11:46:57 AM
Too busy watching tv and playing WoW.
Damn straight! Important business.
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 11:29:27 AM
Not true but healthy food does cost more to get pre-prepared. You can eat healthy for very little but you have to, you know, prepare the food yourself. Americans don't usually have that sort of time to burn on food.
I disagree.
Even cooking from scratch you can't eat a healthy meal for the cost of a quarter pounder meal from McDonalds. Produce is the real killer - fresh produce is expensive stuff. You can probably eat somewhat better than the average american diet by eating like our grandparents and mostly filling up on starches like potatos or pasta, but that isn't exactly healthy either.
you shop in the Yukon which has limited local production, so fresh is expensive.
where i live , food is cheap in the summer. the fresh local organic produce is cheaper than the conventional stuff that I used to buy at Safeway in Saskatchewan.
but to cook foods, you need some basic cooking skills, which people don't have, and you have to do shopping/menu planning, which is alien to a lot of people. for some reason, it's a chore.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 02, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
where i live , food is cheap in the summer. the fresh local organic produce is cheaper than the conventional stuff that I used to buy at Safeway in Saskatchewan.
but to cook foods, you need some basic cooking skills, which people don't have, and you have to do shopping/menu planning, which is alien to a lot of people. for some reason, it's a chore.
Yeah I buy lots of fruit and vegetables and frozen chicken and packs of rice. I save alot instead of going out to get fast food all the time like I used to.
On the other hand having to cook every night is a serious pain in the ass. Then you have to clean up. I wish I was rich enough to hire a staff.
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 11:36:00 AM
Even cooking from scratch you can't eat a healthy meal for the cost of a quarter pounder meal from McDonalds.
fail.
for example, red beans and rice is healthier. materials cost pennies. lettuce is in season now, so a quick salad on the side is very doable.
the trick is to remember to soak your beans and rice the night before. but this is hard for people.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 11:53:16 AM
Solution: end corn subsidies? Who cares about Iowa anyway. If Iowa fell into the ocean Garbon wouldn't even notice.
That would take more political will then just confronting the corn lobby. Cheap corn makes almost everything North America eats cheaper. Everything is now sweatened with corn syrop, in including all the Soda we drink (sweetened with Corn syrop since the 80s), the beef we consume - most of which is now corn fed, leading to all kinds of problems - but its cheaper then grass fed beef, the breakfast cereals we eat, all of the other processed food we eat, the list of which is way to long to make here. It all depends on cheap corn.
One line I recently read is that Americans dont consider themselves to be corn eaters when in fact most of their diet is made up of corn and corn by-products. A very tiny percentage of corn grown in the US is for direct consumption. Most of it is grown for manufacturing into processed food.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
Cheap corn makes almost everything North America eats cheaper. Everything is now sweatened with corn syrop, in including all the Soda we drink (sweetened with Corn syrop since the 80s),
Yeah, but there's an easy solution to this one: end the punitive tariff on sugar imports.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 02, 2009, 11:56:25 AM
but to cook foods, you need some basic cooking skills, which people don't have, and you have to do shopping/menu planning, which is alien to a lot of people. for some reason, it's a chore.
More to the point it is both quicker and often cheaper to grab processed food, warm it up and call it cooking.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 02, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 11:36:00 AM
Even cooking from scratch you can't eat a healthy meal for the cost of a quarter pounder meal from McDonalds.
fail.
for example, red beans and rice is healthier. materials cost pennies. lettuce is in season now, so a quick salad on the side is very doable.
the trick is to remember to soak your beans and rice the night before. but this is hard for people.
Thats what I was getting at by filling up on starches like our grandparents. There's no doubt a diet heavy on beans and rice is better than processed foods, but it's not terribly nutritious either.
And I say all of this as the person who cooks most nights (and when I don't cook, my wife does). I've been on a "old fashioned cooking" kick for awhile as well - I made chicken soup from scratch the other day. It was delicious and very nutritious and used only basic ingredients - but fastfood would have been cheaper on a per-meal basis.
And while my produce costs are high, I have lived in other places, and have cooked in other places.
Quote from: ulmont on July 02, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
Yeah, but there's an easy solution to this one: end the punitive tariff on sugar imports.
Agreed. But that just replaces one sweetner with another and corn sweetners would still be prefered in processed foods. It would do nothing to end the obesity problem in North America.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: ulmont on July 02, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
Yeah, but there's an easy solution to this one: end the punitive tariff on sugar imports.
Agreed. But that just replaces one sweetner with another and corn sweetners would still be prefered in processed foods. It would do nothing to end the obesity problem in North America.
But it would help to revive the Canadian sugar beet industry. :)
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 12:12:29 PM
But it would help to revive the Canadian sugar beet industry. :)
Sadly there are not enough people making Borscht anymore. :cry:
I have a solution to the world obesity problems. Okay, it will screw over the third world, but that's nothing new.
Increase all greenhouse gas emissions until we have a balmy 35-40 degrees Celsius on average all over the northern hemisphere. Let those fuckers in the Pacific drown. When we get summer all year, we don't need them.
In this heat, people's apetites will naturally be lower. Also, the temperatures will kill off a lot of the species we feed off and make us eat more veggies. To avoid people snacking after sundown, I suggest a curfew and anyone seen eating will be shot on sight. This will also reduce unemployment considerably.
Quote from: ulmont on July 02, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
Cheap corn makes almost everything North America eats cheaper. Everything is now sweatened with corn syrop, in including all the Soda we drink (sweetened with Corn syrop since the 80s),
Yeah, but there's an easy solution to this one: end the punitive tariff on sugar imports.
You tried that Pepsi throwback crap? Tastes better with corn syrup.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 02, 2009, 12:49:55 PM
You tried that Pepsi throwback crap? Tastes better with corn syrup.
The fact that you like Pepsi at all invalidates any claim you have in knowing what tastes good.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 02, 2009, 12:49:55 PM
You tried that Pepsi throwback crap? Tastes better with corn syrup.
The fact that you like Pepsi at all invalidates any claim you have in knowing what tastes good.
Actually it was Mountain Dew that I had, just said Pepsi because they made it for all the Pepsi brands.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 02, 2009, 12:49:55 PM
You tried that Pepsi throwback crap? Tastes better with corn syrup.
I meant to, for curiosity's sake, but I haven't really seen it around and haven't gone looking too far. I mostly drink the diet version these days anyway.
Water is better for you than those crappy fizzy drinks and it's a lot cheaper too :cool:
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 02, 2009, 01:00:35 PM
Water is better for you than those crappy fizzy drinks and it's a lot cheaper too :cool:
Actually, given the amount of bottled water people drink it is not cheaper but most certainly healthier.
Quote from: Valmy on July 02, 2009, 12:52:10 PM
The fact that you like Pepsi at all invalidates any claim you have in knowing what tastes good.
:yes: :hug:
Is there a problem drinking tap water in Canada?
I tried in Greece and Italy (and on Jersey) and it tasted like detergent.
Quote from: Norgy on July 02, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Is there a problem drinking tap water in Canada?
No. Which makes the practice of drinking bottled water even more ridiculous. I live right next to a water shed and my neighbours have their water delivered to them in bottles. :rolleyes:
Fashion victims.
"San Pellegrino" water retails at the same price as a pint of beer here. Yet people buy it. The tap water here is excellent, even in Oslo.
The tap water in my hometown is the only good thing about the place. It's in a limestone hard water area, delicious stuff :cool:
Quote from: Norgy on July 02, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Is there a problem drinking tap water in Canada?
I tried in Greece and Italy (and on Jersey) and it tasted like detergent.
It's a really big country. That's like asking if there is a problem drinking tap water in Europe.
It depends on where the community gets its water, and how its treated. A few isolated communities (mostly reserves) have to boil their water. Quite a few communities that get their water from wells have very hard (and bad tasting) water. Some communities over-chlorinate, so it tastes like crap but is safe.
Whitehorse gets its water from the glacier-fed Yukon River, so it tastes great.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 02, 2009, 01:29:30 PM
The tap water in my hometown is the only good thing about the place. It's in a limestone hard water area, delicious stuff :cool:
Detroit's tap water is so good that Pepsi bottles and sells it as "Aquafina" throughout the United States. :)
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 12:08:37 PM
Quote from: saskganesh on July 02, 2009, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 11:36:00 AM
Even cooking from scratch you can't eat a healthy meal for the cost of a quarter pounder meal from McDonalds.
fail.
for example, red beans and rice is healthier. materials cost pennies. lettuce is in season now, so a quick salad on the side is very doable.
the trick is to remember to soak your beans and rice the night before. but this is hard for people.
Thats what I was getting at by filling up on starches like our grandparents. There's no doubt a diet heavy on beans and rice is better than processed foods, but it's not terribly nutritious either.
And I say all of this as the person who cooks most nights (and when I don't cook, my wife does). I've been on a "old fashioned cooking" kick for awhile as well - I made chicken soup from scratch the other day. It was delicious and very nutritious and used only basic ingredients - but fastfood would have been cheaper on a per-meal basis.
And while my produce costs are high, I have lived in other places, and have cooked in other places.
red beans/rice is a complementary protein. its more than starch. :P
price. not sure about that. I can buy a chicken for $10 (less if farm fresh) , roast it, have a few meals. leftovers I can make chicken salad. another meal. then I can cook the carcass, wind up with soup stock, which is then the basis for several other meals.
meanwhile $10 is the average dinner spending at KFC. one meal.
but what's spent is time. given $10 which took you anywhere from one hour to 5 minutes to make, depending on your job/career, it's still going to be less time working enough so you can eat at the colonels than cooking the first chicken.
Quote from: saskganesh on July 02, 2009, 03:17:39 PM
red beans/rice is a complementary protein. its more than starch. :P
price. not sure about that. I can buy a chicken for $10 (less if farm fresh) , roast it, have a few meals. leftovers I can make chicken salad. another meal. then I can cook the carcass, wind up with soup stock, which is then the basis for several other meals.
meanwhile $10 is the average dinner spending at KFC. one meal.
but what's spent is time. given $10 which took you anywhere from one hour to 5 minutes to make, depending on your job/career, it's still going to be less time working enough so you can eat at the colonels than cooking the first chicken.
You're missing the cost of veggies. Let's see, the recipe I used included the $10 chicken (minus the breasts), plus an onion, leeks, and carrots. The soup itself then also contained a red pepper and two ears of corn, and a half cup of brown and wild rice. Probably made 8 good sized bowls. But I don't think it compared well to a $2-$3 cheap burger, or even a frozen pizza or hamburger helper. And then yes - the time difference is enormous.
I'm with you in terms of preferring home-made food from fresh produce (or as fresh as you can get in Yukon). But I don't think it's honest to say that you can make that kind of switch without financial, as well as time, cost. And any change in public policy has to take that financial aspect into account.
And now you've got me hungry. I wonder what I'll make for supper tonight...
onions, carrots, corn always cheap.
leeks, peppers ... it depends.
buy in season, shop the specials, you'll find veggies are always affordable.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 02, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Is there a problem drinking tap water in Canada?
No. Which makes the practice of drinking bottled water even more ridiculous. I live right next to a water shed and my neighbours have their water delivered to them in bottles. :rolleyes:
At my cottage, there was a big fight - a water bottler wanted to tap into the watershed. Turns out that the Coldwater River aquifer has the highest water quality in the country ...
Needless to say, we don't need to buy bottled water. :D
Frozen vegetables are the ticket. Healthy, affordable, convenient. Always in season, often in a brick.
I only eat onions in ring form and deep fried.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2009, 03:57:30 PM
I only eat onions in ring form and deep fried.
But they were once frozen so that takes care of part of Mehali's criteria.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2009, 03:57:30 PM
I only eat onions in ring form and deep fried.
No exception for "Bloomin'"?? :(
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Quote from: Capetan Mihali on July 02, 2009, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2009, 03:57:30 PM
I only eat onions in ring form and deep fried.
No exception for "Bloomin'"?? :(
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Nope.
I'm not much of an onion fan. Green onions excepted.
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
I'm not much of an onion fan. Green onions excepted.
:o
There's no food that can't be improved by onions.
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
I'm not much of an onion fan. Green onions excepted.
:o
There's no food that can't be improved by onions.
I got to agree with the Beeb here, I can't think of anything that onions won't go with.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on July 02, 2009, 04:33:49 PM
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on July 02, 2009, 04:07:10 PM
I'm not much of an onion fan. Green onions excepted.
:o
There's no food that can't be improved by onions.
I got to agree with the Beeb here, I can't think of anything that onions won't go with.
You've doomed me, Superman's Pal. :(
They don't go well with fresh breath.
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 01:30:33 PM
Quote from: Norgy on July 02, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Is there a problem drinking tap water in Canada?
I tried in Greece and Italy (and on Jersey) and it tasted like detergent.
It's a really big country. That's like asking if there is a problem drinking tap water in Europe.
It depends on where the community gets its water, and how its treated. A few isolated communities (mostly reserves) have to boil their water. Quite a few communities that get their water from wells have very hard (and bad tasting) water. Some communities over-chlorinate, so it tastes like crap but is safe.
Whitehorse gets its water from the glacier-fed Yukon River, so it tastes great.
Over-chlorinated water is not safe. It is easy for example to produce carcinogenic compounds (THMs).
Quote from: garbon on July 02, 2009, 04:35:13 PM
They don't go well with fresh breath.
What part of there is no "food" they dont make better did you not understand.
If you dont brush your teeth after eating, that is entirely your fault.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 04:37:22 PM
What part of there is no "food" they dont make better did you not understand.
A related but different comment. Stick out of ass, please.
Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 04:37:22 PMIf you dont brush your teeth after eating, that is entirely your fault.
Yes, because I'm the only person around me that eats onions. :mellow:
To counterbalance tim for your sake, I dont like onions very much at all.
(Unless they are fried.)
Fat people are un-American. We need skinny people to fight the War on Terror and chase bin Laden.
Quote from: Lettow77 on July 02, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
To counterbalance tim for your sake, I dont like onions very much at all.
(Unless they are fried.)
Aha! The taints are balanced out! In your face Ed Anger!
But seriously - you don't need to chow down on raw onion to be eating onions. They are a base ingredient in probably 90% of recipes out there. From soups, stews, burgers, sauces, roasts, breakfasts - you name it, it probably has onions in it somewhere. :mmm:
Quote from: Phillip V on July 02, 2009, 04:57:32 PM
Fat people are un-American.
What America do you live in?
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
But seriously - you don't need to chow down on raw onion to be eating onions. They are a base ingredient in probably 90% of recipes out there. From soups, stews, burgers, sauces, roasts, breakfasts - you name it, it probably has onions in it somewhere. :mmm:
Although nothing really beats a piece of freshly baked bread and some green unions fresh from the garden...
We really do need a Ukranian smiley here.
Quote from: garbon on July 02, 2009, 05:00:34 PM
What America do you live in?
Last fat President was Taft, and he did not win re-election.
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Quote from: crazy canuck on July 02, 2009, 05:10:05 PM
Although nothing really beats a piece of freshly baked bread and some green unions fresh from the garden...
We really do need a Ukranian smiley here.
My name is Barrister and I support this message.
Quote from: Phillip V on July 02, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 02, 2009, 05:00:34 PM
What America do you live in?
Last fat President was Taft, and he did not win re-election.
*cough* Clinton *cough*
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 05:31:13 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 02, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Quote from: garbon on July 02, 2009, 05:00:34 PM
What America do you live in?
Last fat President was Taft, and he did not win re-election.
*cough* Clinton *cough*
There's overweight and there's fat, Taft was fat.
Quote from: Phillip V on July 02, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Last fat President was Taft, and he did not win re-election.
Do most Americans get to be president? Anyway, whether or not Americans dislike fat people is not the same as whether or not Americans are fat.
Quote from: garbon on July 02, 2009, 05:34:22 PM
Quote from: Phillip V on July 02, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Last fat President was Taft, and he did not win re-election.
Do most Americans get to be president? Anyway, whether or not Americans dislike fat people is not the same as whether or not Americans are fat.
Obama is hardly representative of the average American after all. -_-
Quote from: Barrister on July 02, 2009, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: Lettow77 on July 02, 2009, 04:48:55 PM
To counterbalance tim for your sake, I dont like onions very much at all.
(Unless they are fried.)
Aha! The taints are balanced out! In your face Ed Anger!
What the hell? I've been outflanked!
Quote from: Phillip V on July 02, 2009, 05:22:31 PM
Last fat President was Taft, and he did not win re-election.
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Last fat President was Clinton. :lol:
Doh, thought I was on the last page already.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on July 02, 2009, 09:20:51 PM
Last fat President was Clinton. :lol:
Doh, thought I was on the last page already.
False. Bill Clinton was attractive.
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Don't tell!
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on July 02, 2009, 01:29:30 PM
The tap water in my hometown is the only good thing about the place. It's in a limestone hard water area, delicious stuff :cool:
Limestone. :x Your tap water doubles as calcium suplement, right? :P
My area is granitic, really soft water, the drink of Gods.