I'm writing a freelance piece for one of my former publications about how military personnel manage to get overweight and unfit despite regular PT. Can anyone help me? Either rant below in usual Languish style, or if you'd be willing to be interviewed via email or over Facebook Messenger and quoted (anonymously if needed) let me know. The more different countries I can include the better!
A recent Freedom of Information (FOI) request found that the British military has resorted to diet pills and liposuction to trim down its recruits, prompting the question just how fit does a modern soldier need to be? Many roles are now IT and cyber focussed, or involve flying remotely piloted aircraft from an armchair. Does every role still need to individuals at the peak of fitness?
If you are or have been in the military, what was your fitness regime like? What could be done better to better ensure recruits who have to pass vigorous tests to join stay fit throughout their careers?
Would the type of tech that helps civilians keep fit, like fitness trackers, help, or would they be a security risk?
Here's an article that quotes the original Times piece, which is behind a paywall.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157171/20160511/british-soldiers-prescribed-diet-pills-and-liposuction-to-combat-weight-problems.htm (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157171/20160511/british-soldiers-prescribed-diet-pills-and-liposuction-to-combat-weight-problems.htm)
http://forces.tv/48021736 (http://forces.tv/48021736)
Neither here nor there but I clicked on that first link and dance music started playing. :D
Somewhat tangential to your question, but what about mentioning the fitness consequences of military service?
A friend of mine, now sadly dead, had badly damaged knees as result of the fitness training and military service. And I'd guess more than few others ex-military here might now have serious issues with knees and backs?
Good point, Mongers, but a bit outside my brief and won't really have the word count to explore that much, though I may throw in a mention.
In my honest opinion, it does not matter if you are military, civilian, active duty or reservist. It is all about personal responsibility, motivation, self control, commitment and discipline.
Now, on my second day as a civilian after 23+ years of reserve service: The problems I have seen in recent years is more of a generational and society problem combined with the new soft politically correct military been to damn soft with their regulations.
Oh, and if you marry a good cook, you better be willing to run a lot. :)
Quote from: mongers on June 02, 2016, 08:02:37 AM
Somewhat tangential to your question, but what about mentioning the fitness consequences of military service?
A friend of mine, now sadly dead, had badly damaged knees as result of the fitness training and military service. And I'd guess more than few others ex-military here might now have serious issues with knees and backs?
This is true, but I don't think it is from running. I think it may be from heavy loads.
Interesting topic Brazen
Im on a mlbile so typing sucks.
Some factors IMO
Long depllyments, PT is done differently than back in garrison.
Depression, PTSD
General Diet.
When I get to a comp I can type more out as far as what I did IRT regular PT.
I work with the navy now and they have no standard regimented pt. It zhows with all the fat bodies running around.
Get Siege to give a rundown of what the Army is doing now.
Awesome, thanks 11B4V, looking forward to hearing more :thumbsup:
What say you Siegey?
Quote from: Brazen on June 02, 2016, 07:52:14 AM
If you are or have been in the military, what was your fitness regime like?
Garrison
PT Mon-Fri 0600-0800 (Thursday 1500-1600)
Deployed
Depended on what limitations and what was available. However, push-ups and sit-ups and/or some type of cardio. It's depends on what's going on operationally.
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What could be done better to better ensure recruits who have to pass vigorous tests to join stay fit throughout their careers?
The fitness standards are not arduous in regards to the APFT, PRT, PAT or whatever service calls it. The tests them selves are actually a joke. Problem is most new recruits are fat lazy civilian high school age kids who peck on there phones or sit in front of the TV. A good regimented PT program will also help prevent silly ass injuries.
In the Army you have to score a 180 out of 300 on the APFT. I don't think that's changed. However, a 180 may be fine in a pouge unit (mechanics, personnel, and other ash and trash units), but an infantry company, the unofficial standard was hovering around 270. Train to a high level of physical fitness, don't train to pass the APFT.
Diet is probably the one area where money could be made IMO. I spent 20 years in the Army. From the time I went in the Army in 1984 (18 y/o, 6" 2", 173lbs) to about 1994 (210lbs) I was eating like shit, drinking, smoking, chewing, etc. I still was in shape to be sure, but that's youth. Work hard, play hard mentality. Around 1994 I made a conscience decision to change my food diet and quit smoking. Eating better stuff, cutting down on coke, unless it was mixed with Wild Turkey. Still maintaining a high level of physical training. The drinking remained the same along with all the asshatery that went along with it. Around 2000, I cut way down on the drinking, no coke and the like and still maintaining a high level of physical training. I was actually in better shape the last third of my career than the first two thirds.
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Would the type of tech that helps civilians keep fit, like fitness trackers, help, or would they be a security risk?
Really they just have to get out there on a structured program and do it. NCO's have to plan, conduct and lead the program. Whether it is Squad, Platoon, or Company PT every day unless deployed. Remedial PT the fat bodies as necessary. Privates will be Privates and if left up to them they will not do it. If you see a military unit full of fat body slugs, that is a LEADERSHIP problem.
I'll ramble with two other examples.
Went to Ranger School and bulked up (not fat) prior to 215lbs. 76 days later I weighed 176lbs. Was cut like a mofo, but couldn't pick up a styrofoam cup or run a mile without getting winded. Had they'd given an APFT a day after, it would have been a stretch to pass. For close to six months my metabolism was fucked up. Right after finishing the training, I would eat five times a day. Bloated up to 240lbs. This is an extreme example.
Same can go for long deployments. Your eating whenever you can, physical/mental exertions can be extreme, that effects metabolism and screws with you when you come back to the states for a while.
Deployments fuck your life in so many different ways. :lol:
After a year of hard work in the desert, still working out and running even in the heat, but we eat over 4000 calories a day. Then you go back home, barely burn 1000 calories a day but still eating 5000!
I would, of course, come from a completely different military world. The more office-like, Chair Force, but also 12-hour shifts (plus extra admin BS on top of that), and high-pace/stress mission tempo (even though sitting in a chair). That means eating like crap, way too many kids living on Monsters/Rockstar/Red Bull, and unable to get away from that office chair for a decent meal...so loads of packaged/processed foods that can be heated in a microwave in the break room...or fast food gotten by sending the one (maybe) excess operator on a food run. That, and who the hells wants to PT after a 12-hour shift (unless compelled, which shits on an already hyper-cynical watch culture).
I may add more when I am further temporally removed from work. :)
Once I got out of training, we didn't have any regular official organized PT, although a few of us would just do it 3x a week as a group in the mornings and afternoons. When I left the aviation side of things, there was essentially nothing except the tests. I ended up just PTing on my own, really just doing what I did on my various swim teams pre-Navy, until I got to the boat.
On board, I would just run on a treadmill whenever I felt the need (usually two or three miles a couple days a week, depending on what I felt like and how my knee was doing), but was running up and down the stairs (they're called ladders there heh) all day, and was doing shit like diving and snorkeling in my free time when we were in Guam or Saipan, in addition to walking a lot when in port.
Now I'm just a slob with a cranky knee and sore back. :P
Thanks guys, that is truly awesome and far more useful that any two-minute MOD soundbite :hugs: Let me know by PM if you're happy to let me use your names, final rank and dates of service, otherwise I'll keep your comment anonymous.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 02, 2016, 11:05:44 PM...until I got to the boat.
My dad, ex-Navy who served on guided-missile destroyers, always gets peeved when naval vessels (exc. patrol craft) are referred to as "boats".
He says,"It's a 'She' and it's a 'Ship'. "
Quote from: citizen k on June 03, 2016, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 02, 2016, 11:05:44 PM...until I got to the boat.
My dad, ex-Navy who served on guided-missile destroyers, always gets peeved when naval vessels (exc. patrol craft) are referred to as "boats".
He says,"It's a 'She' and it's a 'Ship'. "
Unless it is a bubble head talking about a submarine. :pirate
Quote from: citizen k on June 03, 2016, 02:50:17 PM
My dad, ex-Navy who served on guided-missile destroyers, always gets peeved when naval vessels (exc. patrol craft) are referred to as "boats".
He says,"It's a 'She' and it's a 'Ship'. "
Meh.
What was that little boat nomenclature discussion that went awry...? :lol:
Incan torpedo boats?
Quote from: citizen k on June 03, 2016, 02:50:17 PM
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 02, 2016, 11:05:44 PM...until I got to the boat.
My dad, ex-Navy who served on guided-missile destroyers, always gets peeved when naval vessels (exc. patrol craft) are referred to as "boats".
He says,"It's a 'She' and it's a 'Ship'. "
Eh. We almost always said "boat" when speaking informally about our ship (I was also on destroyers). Formally, only subs and small craft are referred to as "boats."
I tend to use ship and boat interchangeably, but I'm not salty enough to say "she." It just feels odd when I do.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on June 04, 2016, 07:25:13 PM
I tend to use ship and boat interchangeably, but I'm not salty enough to say "she." It just feels odd when I do.
They'll send you to SAPR if you do. :P
:lol:
Quote from: Brazen on June 02, 2016, 07:52:14 AM
I'm writing a freelance piece for one of my former publications about how military personnel manage to get overweight and unfit despite regular PT. Can anyone help me? Either rant below in usual Languish style, or if you'd be willing to be interviewed via email or over Facebook Messenger and quoted (anonymously if needed) let me know. The more different countries I can include the better!
A recent Freedom of Information (FOI) request found that the British military has resorted to diet pills and liposuction to trim down its recruits, prompting the question just how fit does a modern soldier need to be? Many roles are now IT and cyber focussed, or involve flying remotely piloted aircraft from an armchair. Does every role still need to individuals at the peak of fitness?
If you are or have been in the military, what was your fitness regime like? What could be done better to better ensure recruits who have to pass vigorous tests to join stay fit throughout their careers?
Would the type of tech that helps civilians keep fit, like fitness trackers, help, or would they be a security risk?
Here's an article that quotes the original Times piece, which is behind a paywall.
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157171/20160511/british-soldiers-prescribed-diet-pills-and-liposuction-to-combat-weight-problems.htm (http://www.techtimes.com/articles/157171/20160511/british-soldiers-prescribed-diet-pills-and-liposuction-to-combat-weight-problems.htm)
http://forces.tv/48021736 (http://forces.tv/48021736)
Where to start.
First off, your assumption that most military MOS today are IT are wrong. Very few people gets to fly drones, and most drone flyers you find online are possers. That documentary in Netflix is fuck up fake. Visit TAH this aint hell for a dosis of reality.
Secondly, yes, you need to be fit regardless of MOS because it reflects on the whole performance on the BF, battlefield. IT guys do provide valuable services for us grunts when assigned to our COPs, combat outposts. There is no mission without sigint, signal intelligence, meaning your vaunted IT guys. Every sucker is a rifleman when it comes to COP defense, so pogs, people other than grunts, need to be in shape too.
Third, people overweight or so because they are fat fucks. If have heard the whole argument that people today are just bigger because of the reality of our lifestyle in the West and we have to make do with what we have. Bullshit.
People are fat because they are fat fucks, meaning lazy. If you do PT as mandated on all infantry bases, an hour and a half daily, you will be in shape and pass height and weight by Army standards.
But pog units on my infantry base do PT their own way, meaning not to Army standards. No wonder they have a problem with height and weight.
In other words, military guys don't get unfit despite regular PT. They get unfit for NOT doing regular PT and eating like pigs. Enforce regular PT, fire people who fail to maintain PT standards, and the Army will be top fit.
Which we largely do this days. You fail a PT test and don't make it on your make up test, and you are done with the Army.
Unless you are not infantry, and you are a pog, and allowed to have a P2 profile, meaning you can do your job despite being a fat fuck due to injury in the job or such excuse.
Fuck that. You can't have a P2 profile in the infantry, so why can pogs have it? Eliminate P2 profiles, fire all fat fucks. We got plenty of dudes willing to do the job.
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Thanks Siegey, I'll PM you some questions for more details if that's OK :)
Here are the general questions I'm sending out if anyone has any additional thoughts they want to post or PM me.
1. Would you mind if I named you in the article or would you prefer to remain anonymous?
2. What years did you serve, with which regiment and what was your final rank?
3. Did you see active service?
4. What was your daily or weekly fitness regime like? What were the targets you had to meet?
5. Did you witness anyone losing fitness after they passed their initial fitness tests for entry? If so, what did you think caused it?
6. What could be done better, if anything, in military fitness training? Could PTs learn anything from civilian life?
7. Were the food and portion sizes healthy?
8. In your opinion, do all roles need the same degree of fitness, even if they're mainly sedentary, like cyber security or piloting a drone?
9. Can you think of any technology that would help Armed Services personnel stay fit, like fitness trackers, apps or wearable sensors on combat gear? Or would it pose a security risk?
10. Did you see PT routines change over time?
11. Is there anything else you'd like to add I haven't touched on?
12. Do you have any photos of yourself from your military service I could use? (:perv:)