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General Category => Off the Record => Topic started by: MadImmortalMan on March 29, 2016, 07:05:25 PM

Title: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: MadImmortalMan on March 29, 2016, 07:05:25 PM
It's Baaaaaaack. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/28/the-feds-have-resumed-a-controversial-program-that-lets-cops-take-stuff-and-keep-it/)

John Oliver gave it a good shot, but I guess in the end they had to follow the money.


Quote from: WaPo

The feds have resumed a controversial program that lets cops take stuff and keep it


The Justice Department has announced that it is resuming a controversial practice that allows local police departments to funnel a large portion of assets seized from citizens into their own coffers under federal law.

The "Equitable Sharing Program" gives police the option of prosecuting some asset forfeiture cases under federal instead of state law, particularly in instances where local law enforcement officers have a relationship with federal authorities as part of a joint task force. Federal forfeiture policies are more permissive than many state policies, allowing police to keep up to 80 percent of assets they seize.

The Justice Department had suspended payments under this program in December, due to budget cuts included in last year's spending bill.

"In the months since we made the difficult decision to defer equitable sharing payments because of the $1.2 billion rescinded from the Asset Forfeiture Fund, the financial solvency of the fund has improved to the point where it is no longer necessary to continue deferring equitable sharing payments," spokesman Peter J. Carr said in an email Monday.

While he didn't specify exactly where the new funding came from, Carr noted that the program is partly funded by the cash and other property seized under the program.

"The Asset Forfeiture Fund acts in many ways like a revolving fund," he explained in a follow-up email. "Forfeited proceeds are being deposited throughout the year to replenish the funds that are simultaneously flowing out of the Asset Forfeiture Fund to pay for approved agency expenses." He noted that when the Justice Department announced the suspension  in December, it remained "very eager to resume payments as soon as it is fiscally feasible to do so."

Asset forfeiture is a contentious practice that lets police seize and keep cash and property from people who are never convicted of wrongdoing — and in many cases, never charged. Studies have found that use of the practice has exploded in recent years, prompting concern that, in some cases, police are motivated more by profit and less by justice.

A wide-ranging Washington Post investigation in 2014 found that police had seized $2.5 billion in cash alone without warrants or indictments since 2001. In response, then-Attorney General Eric Holder announced new restrictions on some federal asset forfeiture practices. These restrictions were meant to limit the ability of state and local law enforcement officials to choose more lenient federal forfeiture guidelines over state law.

But critics say the reforms don't go far enough, and still leave discretion for local authorities to choose more permissive federal laws by acting as part of a joint task force with federal authorities.

Asset forfeiture is fast growing -- in 2014, for instance, federal authorities seized more than $5 billion in assets. That's more than the value of assets lost in every single burglary that year.

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Reformers had hoped that the suspension of the program in December was a signal that the Justice Department was looking for ways to rein in the practice. But that no longer appears to be the case.

"This really was about funding, not a genuine concern about the abuses rampant in the equitable sharing system," said Scott Bullock, president of the Institute for Justice, in an interview. The institute is a civil liberties law firm that researches asset forfeiture and advocates on behalf of forfeiture defendants. It has reported extensively on what it calls the "profit motive" created by the Equitable Sharing Program: Because police get to keep a share of the items they seize, they have an incentive to take more stuff.

Bullock said the suspension and return of equitable sharing demonstrate the need for Congress to act on the issue. "Changes to forfeiture policy can be swept away by the stroke of a pen," he said.

But law enforcement groups dispute that the equitable sharing program is all about filling coffers. "It's not about the money, it's about public safety and doing the job," said Terrence Cunningham, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, in an interview.

Cunningham said that funds from the equitable sharing program are often used to cover budgetary gaps when agents from a local police office are detailed to part of a federal task force. "Say I've got one officer assigned to a DEA task force," he explained. "A lot of times I have to backfill that vacancy by paying other detectives overtime. To be quite honest with you I could not afford to do that" without reimbursement from the federal agency, he said.

Cunningham said that federal-local task force operations are often necessary to go after criminals who would otherwise be difficult to pursue via either local or federal efforts alone.

Law enforcement groups appear to have had some successes in rallying members of Congress to their side. In January, New Hampshire Sens. Kelly Ayotte (R) and Jeanne Shaheen (D) called on the Justice Department to restore the payments.

"We are seeing a lot more pushback from law enforcement," the Institute for Justice's Bullock said. "Even to the point where they are ... making budgetary appeals saying, 'we need this for our bottom line.' And that's something that's been unusual to see, and it goes to our point about what this is really about -- raising the revenue," he added.

Other reform groups are also disappointed to see the program reinstated. "There was hardly time to celebrate the suspension of the Equitable Sharing Program before the government felt the need to put its hand back in the cookie jar at the expense of our civil rights," said Jordan Richardson, senior policy analyst at the criminal justice reform group Generation Opportunity, in a statement. "It's unjust for the government to seize assets from people who are not charged with a crime. It's disappointing to see a White House that claims to be a champion of criminal justice reform reinstate a program that so clearly works against it."
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2016, 07:29:16 PM
Such a fucked up program.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: jimmy olsen on March 29, 2016, 07:42:23 PM
Damn, got our hopes up for nothing. <_<
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: grumbler on March 29, 2016, 07:52:33 PM
It astonishes me that anyone supports this corrupt practice.  The dangers of it are visible to the naked eye, and, at its most benign, still represents a violation of the Constitutional protections from being deprived of property without due process.  Neither the federal nor local police should be able to personally benefit from their law enforcement decisions. It is the most blatant example of conflict of interest you could ask for.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 29, 2016, 07:54:37 PM
QuoteBut law enforcement groups dispute that the equitable sharing program is all about filling coffers. "It's not about the money, it's about public safety and doing the job," said Terrence Cunningham, president of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, in an interview.

Cunningham said that funds from the equitable sharing program are often used to cover budgetary gaps when agents from a local police office are detailed to part of a federal task force. "Say I've got one officer assigned to a DEA task force," he explained. "A lot of times I have to backfill that vacancy by paying other detectives overtime. To be quite honest with you I could not afford to do that" without reimbursement from the federal agency, he said.

Cunningham said that federal-local task force operations are often necessary to go after criminals who would otherwise be difficult to pursue via either local or federal efforts alone.

You're so full of shit, Terrence.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: DontSayBanana on March 29, 2016, 09:56:15 PM
Quote"It's not about the money, it's about public safety and doing the job."

Quote...used to cover budgetary gaps when agents from a local police office are detailed to part of a federal task force.

Quote"A lot of times I have to backfill that vacancy by paying other detectives overtime."

How is that about public safety?  Dude could have at least tried to make it not sound like a blatant lie, instead of saying it's not about the money and then describing how it's about the money.

Blah, blah, force levels, blah, blah.  I'd take more officer patrols as a public safety issue, but detective shortages would only mean cases open longer.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Darth Wagtaros on March 30, 2016, 11:32:38 AM
That's a lot of marguerita machines.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Malthus on March 30, 2016, 12:52:29 PM
I wonder if there has ever been an issue that has achieved such total Languish consensus.  :D
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Valmy on March 30, 2016, 12:54:14 PM
Quote from: grumbler on March 29, 2016, 07:52:33 PM
It astonishes me that anyone supports this corrupt practice.  The dangers of it are visible to the naked eye, and, at its most benign, still represents a violation of the Constitutional protections from being deprived of property without due process.  Neither the federal nor local police should be able to personally benefit from their law enforcement decisions. It is the most blatant example of conflict of interest you could ask for.

It is amazing what people will tolerate to keep from having to adequately fund the police.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Valmy on March 30, 2016, 12:54:43 PM
Quote from: Malthus on March 30, 2016, 12:52:29 PM
I wonder if there has ever been an issue that has achieved such total Languish consensus.  :D

If they did a national poll and both Republicans and Democrats were not 90%+ against I would be shocked.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Norgy on March 30, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
I don't think ANY other Western country would abide such a practice. Go get them, people.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: viper37 on March 30, 2016, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 30, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
I don't think ANY other Western country would abide such a practice. Go get them, people.

Canada used to, maybe they still do it again, I don't know.

Criminal proceedings from alcohol and tobacco contrabands were confiscated and refunelled into these police unit work.
The products were destroyed, but the cash was kept, instead of destroying it.

I think it was only after all appeal had expired though.  Maybe BB remembers about it, it's been a while (90s).
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: dps on March 30, 2016, 02:53:16 PM
Quote from: viper37 on March 30, 2016, 01:07:33 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 30, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
I don't think ANY other Western country would abide such a practice. Go get them, people.

Canada used to, maybe they still do it again, I don't know.

Criminal proceedings from alcohol and tobacco contrabands were confiscated and refunelled into these police unit work.
The products were destroyed, but the cash was kept, instead of destroying it.

I think it was only after all appeal had expired though.  Maybe BB remembers about it, it's been a while (90s).


Quite a different thing.  Under the US law, you don't even have to be charged with a crime.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: celedhring on March 30, 2016, 06:07:40 PM
Here in Spain, moneys obtained from a criminal activity are secured by the court seeing the case, and released when there's a firm sentence to fund fines, restitutions, etc... whatever's left goes to the public treasury.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Razgovory on March 30, 2016, 06:29:56 PM
If it was actually money obtained from criminal activity it might be acceptable.  This is just highway robbery.  Literally.  You get pulled over by the Highway patrol, they ask if you are carrying a large amount of cash, and if you are, they just... take it.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 30, 2016, 06:37:03 PM
Quote from: Norgy on March 30, 2016, 01:02:19 PM
I don't think ANY other Western country would abide such a practice. Go get them, people.

Been this way for years, even before the post 9/11 Homeland Security PATRIOT Act Showcase Showdown Full of Fabulous Prizes bonanza; although now that it's affecting more than just Teh Blacks, people are beginning to notice.
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Malthus on March 31, 2016, 08:14:36 AM
"Equitable Sharing Program"

Wonderfully Orwellian.  :lol:
Title: Re: Obama Administration's greatest achievement is now reversed
Post by: Norgy on March 31, 2016, 09:43:33 AM
Quote from: Malthus on March 31, 2016, 08:14:36 AM
"Equitable Sharing Program"

Wonderfully Orwellian.  :lol:

Probably paid top confiscated dollar for that name.