https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074813-youre-not-hallucinating-mps-really-did-pass-crazy-bad-drug-law/
QuoteA new ban on psychoactive substances in the UK is a catch-all backward step that ranks as one of the most unhelpful laws ever passed, says Clare Wilson
It's official – the UK ban on legal highs that will begin in April is going to be one of the stupidest, most dangerous and unscientific pieces of drugs legislation ever conceived.
Watching MPs debate the Psychoactive Substances Bill yesterday, it was clear most of them hadn't a clue. They misunderstood medical evidence, mispronounced drug names, and generally floundered as they debated the choices and lifestyles of people who are in most cases decades younger than themselves.
It would have been funny except the decisions made will harm people's lives and liberty.
The bill is an attempt to clamp down on substances that mimic the effects of drugs like cannabis and ecstasy. It stems from the media hysteria a few years ago over one of the best known ones, mephedrone, or meow meow, which was linked with some deaths. Mephedrone was banned, but new compounds can be made rapidly and other legal highs soon took its place. These can be openly sold on the internet and in "head shops", seedy-looking stores found in most towns and cities.
Prohibition didn't work in America
So "ban everything that gets you high" was the government's reaction – and this bill is the result. The idea of a blanket prohibition is superficially appealing – yet fundamentally flawed. Banning something people enjoy does not mean they will stop doing it. It just means that instead of buying what they want from shops and legal websites, they now need to trade with criminals. Criminals have much less incentive to make sure their products are genuine and unadulterated or to refuse sales to minors.
Prohibition didn't work with alcohol in 1920s America, it hasn't worked with heroin today and it won't work with anything else people get high on either.
A ban on all things psychoactive will also unintentionally snare other generally harmless substances that were never the intended targets. For if this bill has highlighted anything, it is the ubiquity of the human desire to tweak brain chemistry in satisfying ways. Special exemptions have already had to be made for caffeine, nicotine, and of course, the world's number one recreational drug of choice: alcohol.
A few bottles of claret
To MPs, sinking a few bottles of good claret with chums at the end of a hard day is perfectly normal and acceptable, and is a world away from the chemical adventures of 20-year-olds. Yet both involve deliberately altering brain chemistry. Both have risks if overdone. You could argue the law's stance all comes down to the history and popularity of your chosen method of drug use.
Various other exemptions were debated. Respectable MPs from the Home Counties found themselves discussing the merits of "poppers" – a group of drugs that give a brief high as well as relaxing sphincter muscles, so are popular among gay men. One MP confessed she had thought poppers meant those small tubs of streamers fired into the air at parties.
Gay health charities want poppers exempted on the grounds they are relatively safe and so commonly used that many people will turn to underground labs. That didn't fly with the MPs. Poppers look set to be banned with everything else.
Memory enhancers
Another MP, Cheryl Gillan, spoke up for "smart drugs". They are claimed to make you mentally sharper, so there's a small community of users, often students, who buy them online. The evidence they work may be rubbish but again prohibition will only drive them underground.
That said, I spoke to her last week and she clearly hadn't grasped that to describe them as memory enhancers, as she did in the Commons, is highly scientifically contentious. It turned out her intervention had followed a request from one of her constituents who sells them online. "From what he tells me," she said to me. "It's a perfectly legitimate business."
Well that's alright, then.
It doesn't matter, anyway, as the MPs threw out that amendment too. Save for a couple of voices of reason, they followed the cross-party line: drugs are evil and dangerous and won't somebody please think of the children?
Look at Ireland
No matter that the more dangerous something is, the less we want its trade to be taken over by criminal gangs, as Labour MP Paul Flynn pointed out. In desperation Flynn urged colleagues to consider the experience of Ireland, which enacted a similar ban in 2010. Sure enough, all its head shops closed. Yet a recent survey found that the number of teenagers who have used the compounds has risen from 16 to 22 per cent.
Before the debate, Flynn said to me that the MPs in charge of this bill were not chosen for their scientific literacy but for their likely compliance with government whips. He was certainly right about one thing – that the bill would pass. "This is politicians behaving at their worst," he said. "The future will condemn them."
Oh thank god. Not only can I tell men now that their poppers are nasty but that they are illegal and if they plan on using that they can step the hell back. :)
what are poppers like? is the guy all drugged up and high for five minutes right before you're about to fuck?
It is a stupid law which will be completely ignored by the populace, every now and then some unassuming person will be jailed.
Quote from: LaCroix on January 26, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
what are poppers like? is the guy all drugged up and high for five minutes right before you're about to fuck?
No...
Must be one of the few times British press has used the "Look to Ireland" phrase in a non-condescent way.
It is everything with a psychoactive effect that has been banned btw, presumably if one scoffed a dozen oranges to get high then one would be breaking the law.
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 03:16:50 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on January 26, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
what are poppers like? is the guy all drugged up and high for five minutes right before you're about to fuck?
No...
article says it relaxes sphincter + provides temporary high. figured that meant users take a hit right before sex. you said nasty poppers, so I wasn't sure if you had experience with potential lovers getting high as fuck (and acting like a druggie) right before insertion
Quote from: LaCroix on January 27, 2016, 06:56:52 AM
Quote from: garbon on January 27, 2016, 03:16:50 AM
Quote from: LaCroix on January 26, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
what are poppers like? is the guy all drugged up and high for five minutes right before you're about to fuck?
No...
article says it relaxes sphincter + provides temporary high. figured that meant users take a hit right before sex. you said nasty poppers, so I wasn't sure if you had experience with potential lovers getting high as fuck (and acting like a druggie) right before insertion
Yes, it is right before. No one, that I've encountered, acts all high though. I dislike them as they smell/taste awful and if your partner is using them, you get to taste them by virtue of the chemical traveling from their noise to mouth. :x
see, I imagined gay guys were having to stick their dicks into men acting like steve-o all high on whippets. thanks for the clarification
Another example of Cameron's scary old school conservative tendencies.
I guess the uk is waiting for the us to get their shit in order before we rationalise drugs policy :(
Quote from: LaCroix on January 26, 2016, 09:11:10 PM
what are poppers like? is the guy all drugged up and high for five minutes right before you're about to fuck?
They never worked for me - I only got a headache. It felt like sniffing paint thinner.
Don't accidents happen if you relax the sphincter?
Never had the "relaxef sphinxter" effect. Gives a short high.I stopped using this after a friend popped an eardrum and I started getting the feeling that the bones in my skull were moving.
Good times.
Sadly the govt's experts have decided that poppers do not count as psychoactive so they are not actually part of the ban. :weep:
Quote from: garbon on March 16, 2016, 02:33:59 PM
Sadly the govt's experts have decided that poppers do not count as psychoactive so they are not actually part of the ban. :weep:
Foiled again
A good whiff of poppers VCR head cleaning fluid gets the blood in your head pounding in that "wah wah wah" sort of way while your vision gets a little screwy, as though you stood up too fast, and your face feels all warm and tingly. Then it all goes away as quick as it came, no pun intended.
Not much of a high, but beyond the sphincter effect, I've heard it's a decent enhancement for different drugs at times...
And anyways, the real poppers, the scent of a thousand dances in the halcyon gay 70s, i.e. amyl nitrate, is already banned (at least in the US); today's poppers are butyl nitrate and nowhere near as good, apparently. RIP amyl and ludes. :weep:
I tried Locker Room one time in college. Not a pleasant experience.