How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
*This* far.
Worst mongers thread ever.
Non-fiction novels suck.
Worst Martinus hyperbole ever?
;)
Despite the fact that many people *think* they are not influenced by the entertainment media, in reality they are.
They just don't often get it.
One example is the "misfits can be good" concept.
Many times, in movies, novels and other places, we meet the concept of the bunch of misfits/eccentrics that band together and often form *awesome* teams under a good leader. It's even a trope: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RagtagBunchOfMisfits (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RagtagBunchOfMisfits)
This gets used so often that many actually start to think that a very diverse group of odd people is actually *desireable*.
The reality, of course, is quite different: misfits are so for a reason, and they often can't do the job or just go solo. Homogenous teams of competent people are preferable 100% of the time.
But I've seen time and time again companies setting up/hiring these types, with disastrous results (I also fell for this in earlier years). And this is very much due to the subconscious idea we got from entertainment media.
I know this will not be popular with PC types, but I will point out that another is the "genial black", where quite often a black character is an amazing scientist/researcher and can achieve great things. Now, just try hiring one of these science/research graduates in the real world and you will find out that things are not like that (yes, I fell for that one too. Twice.).
Do think well and deeply on how your actions and attitudes towards others are actually influenced by the notions that are trumpeted time and time again on movies/series/books.
Quote from: Martim Silva on December 30, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
I know this will not be popular with PC types, but I will point out that another is the "genial black", where quite often a black character is an amazing scientist/researcher and can achieve great things. Now, just try hiring one of these science/research graduates in the real world and you will find out that things are not like that (yes, I fell for that one too. Twice.).
Don't you think it is more likely that you made two bad hires that happened to be black than black people are unable to achieve great things?
I think the problem wasn't that they were black, but that they were Portuguese/Brazilian. :P
Silva, the great conformist.
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
Difficult to say. There have been many I have considered important to me becoming interested in history but how exactly they have influenced me is difficult to say. I mean clearly they did but no one work had a specific influence that I can think of.
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
After contemplating this, probably the biggest influence is to decrease my interaction with other people as I stay inside by myself to read about history. It has also led me to more solitary pursuits--significantly leading me to play EU, which ultimately led me here where I have spent a zillion hours conversing with you guys who have some similar interests, but ultimately aren't real people for me to interact with. :(
On the more positive side, it has made me a bit more interested and informed about the world, and a bit more adventurous.
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
I've read a lot of books on history, it has certainly influenced my view of the world. Also TV documentaries, especially those about plants and animals (they appear more reliable than TV documentaries about history).
Depends on whether you'd call non-fiction books entertainment or not.
And like Brainiac, documentaries on nature certainly have influenced me.
History Channel has influenced me to believe that the people who watch the HC are mentally disabled.
Quote from: Norgy on December 30, 2015, 08:44:47 PM
Depends on whether you'd call non-fiction books entertainment or not.
And like Brainiac, documentaries on nature certainly have influenced me.
History Channel has influenced me to believe that the people who watch the HC are mentally disabled.
What about people who make the programs for HC, asking for a....friend.
If this... friend was involved in "Hunting Hitler", he should be simultaneously condemned and celebrated. Making money off offering service to people catering to the droolers' desires is a noble cause.
Whew, just Bigfoot, Aliens and angry Ice gnomes.
Did you ever catch any?
:shifty: Have to watch shows and find out...
Quote from: katmai on December 30, 2015, 09:01:33 PM
Whew, just Bigfoot, Aliens and angry Ice gnomes.
I thought you only worked behind the camera.
What a funny guy. <_<
Angry ice gnome is angry.
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
What
Quote from: 11B4V on December 30, 2015, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
What
Has your point of view been altered by watching or listening to the likes of Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage and others who deal in real-world events and politics but declare that they are entertainers rather than journalists?
Ah, so that's what he means by "non-fiction" novels.
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F518LBwimZ0L.jpg&hash=73d3b13e6b521adb6437ae69ea4377f81281f3a7)
I figured he was mostly talking about documentaries.
Quote from: Martim Silva on December 30, 2015, 03:21:36 PM
Despite the fact that many people *think* they are not influenced by the entertainment media, in reality they are.
They just don't often get it.
One example is the "misfits can be good" concept.
Many times, in movies, novels and other places, we meet the concept of the bunch of misfits/eccentrics that band together and often form *awesome* teams under a good leader. It's even a trope: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RagtagBunchOfMisfits (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RagtagBunchOfMisfits)
This gets used so often that many actually start to think that a very diverse group of odd people is actually *desireable*.
The reality, of course, is quite different: misfits are so for a reason, and they often can't do the job or just go solo. Homogenous teams of competent people are preferable 100% of the time.
But I've seen time and time again companies setting up/hiring these types, with disastrous results (I also fell for this in earlier years). And this is very much due to the subconscious idea we got from entertainment media.
I know this will not be popular with PC types, but I will point out that another is the "genial black", where quite often a black character is an amazing scientist/researcher and can achieve great things. Now, just try hiring one of these science/research graduates in the real world and you will find out that things are not like that (yes, I fell for that one too. Twice.).
Do think well and deeply on how your actions and attitudes towards others are actually influenced by the notions that are trumpeted time and time again on movies/series/books.
Well that got weird.
That's kind of like saying a Lettow post talking about tea parties with princesses "got weird".
I just saw the Making a Murder thing on NetFlix. The way cops elicited a confession out of a retarded teenager was a bit of an eye opener. Also the way the kid's lawyer colluded with the prosecutor bothered me.
Hilarious, maybe I shouldn't have started a thread whilst working on a couple of other things, seams I inadvertently typed non-fiction when I meant fiction. :blush: :rolleyes:
So my new year's resolution is to be more 'careful' with my threads. :Embarrass:
Quote from: Razgovory on December 31, 2015, 12:56:45 PM
I just saw the Making a Murder thing on NetFlix. The way cops elicited a confession out of a retarded teenager was a bit of an eye opener. Also the way the kid's lawyer colluded with the prosecutor bothered me.
I watched episodes of
Forensic Files, and resolved to be more careful in the future.
;)
Quote from: Jacob on December 30, 2015, 10:32:15 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 30, 2015, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
What
Has your point of view been altered by watching or listening to the likes of Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage and others who deal in real-world events and politics but declare that they are entertainers rather than journalists?
Sure
Quote from: mongers on December 31, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
Hilarious, maybe I shouldn't have started a thread whilst working on a couple of other things, seams I inadvertently typed non-fiction when I meant fiction. :blush: :rolleyes:
So my new year's resolution is to be more 'careful' with my threads. :Embarrass:
These other things came in bottles, right?
Quote from: Malthus on December 31, 2015, 01:21:51 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on December 31, 2015, 12:56:45 PM
I just saw the Making a Murder thing on NetFlix. The way cops elicited a confession out of a retarded teenager was a bit of an eye opener. Also the way the kid's lawyer colluded with the prosecutor bothered me.
I watched episodes of Forensic Files, and resolved to be more careful in the future.
;)
:D
Quote from: mongers on December 31, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
Hilarious, maybe I shouldn't have started a thread whilst working on a couple of other things, seams I inadvertently typed non-fiction when I meant fiction. :blush: :rolleyes:
So my new year's resolution is to be more 'careful' with my threads. :Embarrass:
Maybe you should start a new one.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 03, 2016, 02:18:43 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 31, 2015, 01:10:50 PM
Hilarious, maybe I shouldn't have started a thread whilst working on a couple of other things, seams I inadvertently typed non-fiction when I meant fiction. :blush: :rolleyes:
So my new year's resolution is to be more 'careful' with my threads. :Embarrass:
Maybe you should start a new one.
Raz, you do it; don't know if it's a good question, but it's a lot better than the one I accidentally posed in this thread. :blush:
Quote from: Jacob on December 30, 2015, 10:32:15 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on December 30, 2015, 10:15:51 PM
Quote from: mongers on December 30, 2015, 02:32:04 PM
How far has non-fiction entertainment, be that novel, film or other media, influenced your view of the world or how you interact with it and other people?
What
Has your point of view been altered by watching or listening to the likes of Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, Stephen Colbert, Jon Stewart, Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage and others who deal in real-world events and politics but declare that they are entertainers rather than journalists?
Has Maddow declared herself an entertainer rather than a journalist? :unsure: