Just awful :(
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/colorado-shooting-probe/index.html
Quote(CNN)Two civilians and a police officer were killed after a gunman opened fire at a Colorado Planned Parenthood clinic in a nearly six-hour standoff Friday.
Police captured the suspected gunman, but they're still working to pinpoint his motive -- and make sure he didn't leave any explosives inside or outside the Colorado Springs building.
Bomb technicians are investigating what's believed to be the suspect's vehicle in a parking lot, a law enforcement official said.
It was not immediately clear why Planned Parenthood was the target of the shooting.
One Planned Parenthood official said the motive behind the attack was unknown, but pointed to what she called a "poisonous environment that feeds domestic terrorism" as a possible cause.
"We don't yet know the full circumstances and motives behind this criminal action, and we don't yet know if Planned Parenthood was in fact the target of this attack," Vicki Cowart, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, said in a written statement. "We share the concerns of many Americans that extremists are creating a poisonous environment that feeds domestic terrorism in this country. We will never back away from providing care in a safe, supportive environment that millions of people rely on and trust."
Cowart told CNN she believes all staff and patients from the clinic are accounted for.
"We're still reaching out to confirm individuals, how they are. I believe no one of our staff was severely injured. I also believe at this time that none of our patients were injured," she told CNN.
Officer was a six-year veteran
The slain officer, 44-year-old Garrett Swasey, worked for the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs and was on campus about 10 miles away when the shooting broke out. He went to the scene "in support of an officer under fire," the school's chancellor said in a statement.
Swasey was a six-year veteran of the university's police force.
Four civilians and five police officers were taken to hospitals with gunshot wounds. The injured victims were in good condition Friday night, police Lt. Catherine Buckley said.
"The officers, they're obviously in some pain, but thankfully they're alive and talking to us, and they're heroes ... The courage they displayed today saved many, many lives -- no doubt," Colorado Springs Fire Chief Christopher Riley said.
Siege lasted for hours
The announcement of the suspect's arrest came nearly six hours after someone first called 911 around 11:30 a.m. (1:30 p.m. ET) and reported a shooter was inside the Planned Parenthood building, which is near a shopping center and numerous offices.
For hours, police reported shootouts with the gunman, warning people to stay inside nearby businesses and seek shelter.
The shooting brought life to a standstill as police closed roads and people were trapped inside businesses for hours in a busy corner of the central Colorado city, which has more than 400,000 residents.
Denise Speller, who works at a nearby salon, said she heard at least 10 gunshots go off and saw a police officer get hit.
"It was terrifying," she said.
Joan Motolinia said he got a phone call Friday afternoon from his sister, who was inside the clinic.
"I heard the shooting," he said, choking up as he described the situation to reporters. "She couldn't say too much because she was afraid."
In a nearby grocery store, an announcement over the intercom told shoppers they weren't allowed to leave. They huddled with staff at the back of the supermarket.
It was shocking to watch SWAT teams while holed up inside a nail salon, witness Jill Lavelle said.
"Seeing the SWAT members squatting down in their shields and their riot gear, with their automatic rifles out, that was very ... I never have experienced anything like that before," she said.
Despite initial fears that the shooter could be on the loose outside, authorities now believe he remained inside the Planned Parenthood building throughout the siege, Buckley said.
Several injured victims made their way into a nearby bank, she said.
Photos taken by Kody Fisher, a reporter with CNN affiliate KXRM, showed an ambulance and, in another photo, at least two police officers crouched behind a patrol car.
Attack comes as Planned Parenthood faces criticism
Hours after the shooting began, video from CNN affiliates showed people in medical scrubs and white coats being escorted from the scene.
Planned Parenthood is a national health care provider that delivers reproductive health care and sex education to women and men throughout the United States. The organization runs nearly 700 health centers throughout the United States, according to its website.
The group says each year 2.7 million people in the United States visit its health centers for health care services and information. Abortion is among the services Planned Parenthood clinics provide, an issue that's made the organization a target in the past.
It's faced sharp criticism in Washington and from some Republican presidential candidates on the campaign trail after an anti-abortion group released a series of videos alleging that Planned Parenthood engaged in the selling of fetal organs and parts for profit.
Planned Parenthood has strongly disputed the videos and contended the tapes provide a distorted account because they are heavily edited.
At least three Planned Parenthood buildings have been vandalized since September.
Last year, abortion providers in the United States saw 12 incidents of vandalism, one burglary, one invasion, one arson attack, one death threat and four stalking incidents, according to the National Abortion Federation.
One can only imagine what the body count could have been if we had accepted Syrian refugees.
I've been checking out Conservative boards and handing out pamphlets I got from the ISIS guy titled, "So you've decided to become an apologist for terrorism". I wonder if the House Repuplicans will demand that Obama uses the phrases "terrorist attack" and then hold 7 hearings. Oh, you'll like this Seedy, the shooter Mr. Dear was charged with animal cruelty in Ide-land.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 28, 2015, 01:02:21 AM
I wonder if the House Repuplicans will demand that Obama uses the phrases "terrorist attack" and then hold 7 hearings.
I will demand that Obama holds 7 herrings.
The term "House Republican" is rather offensive.
BAN ALL WHITE IMMIGRATION :mad:
Quote from: Caliga on November 28, 2015, 07:28:09 AM
BAN ALL WHITE IMMIGRATION :mad:
I wouldn't mind putting Christians in camps. Just saying. :ph34r:
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/robertlewisdear1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
Dude looks crazy as fuck.
Those French and Belgian radicals are getting sneakier.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2015, 01:59:34 PM
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/robertlewisdear1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
Dude looks crazy as fuck.
Peter O'Toole has really let himself go to hell.
Don't give into terrorism: have an abortion.
I am telling you man the cops have got to watch these guys.
I like how the right wing has latched onto mental illness as the problem. So...gun control for mentally ill people? Nope. More funding for mental health? Nope. Just, you know, peeps be crazy what are you going to do?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2015, 02:08:31 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 28, 2015, 01:59:34 PM
(https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/robertlewisdear1.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all)
Dude looks crazy as fuck.
Peter O'Toole has really let himself go to hell.
It doesn't look like he has had a haircut or a beard trim since he died.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2015, 09:15:21 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 28, 2015, 07:28:09 AM
BAN ALL WHITE IMMIGRATION :mad:
I wouldn't mind putting Christians in camps. Just saying. :ph34r:
:rolleyes:
Quote from: Jaron on November 29, 2015, 03:53:33 PM
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2015, 09:15:21 AM
Quote from: Caliga on November 28, 2015, 07:28:09 AM
BAN ALL WHITE IMMIGRATION :mad:
I wouldn't mind putting Christians in camps. Just saying. :ph34r:
:rolleyes:
Jaron, Marty just made a translation error, what he meant to say was "I wouldn't mind putting
something in
to Camp Christians"
That something being a bullet.
Huh, so this is apparently the work of some far left trans gendered conspiracy.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 30, 2015, 10:17:16 AM
Huh, so this is apparently the work of some far left trans gendered conspiracy.
Wait, what?
Quote from: Syt on November 30, 2015, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 30, 2015, 10:17:16 AM
Huh, so this is apparently the work of some far left trans gendered conspiracy.
Wait, what?
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/30/ted_cruz_is_a_professional_liar_the_planned_parenthood_shooting_was_the_work_of_a_transgendered_leftist_activist/
:huh:
This is the quote from the linked article: "It's also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist. If that's what he is, I don't think it's fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer."
Good detective work Cruz. Not just any politician could unravel something in that fashion it requires a Texas politician.
Been keeping an eye on the Breitbart and other right wing sites. When they can stop talking about how evil Black people are they do make a few mentions of planned parenthood shooting. Right now they seem really proud of themselves because they are selling "politically incorrect", coffee cups that say "Merry Christmas".
Nothing enrages liberal black people like Christmas mugs.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2015, 10:35:15 AM
Nothing enrages liberal black people like Christmas mugs.
... give one as a Kwanzaa gift today! :P
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2015, 10:35:15 AM
Nothing enrages liberal black people like Christmas mugs.
Breitbart is beyond the mountains of madness. You should see the crazy shit that is reported. Then you should look at the comments section. It's a hoot. If the stories are thinly veiled racism the readers don't quite get the idea of subtly.
Some blogger collected a few of the choice ones. https://hailtothegynocracy.wordpress.com/2015/08/30/even-more-racism-from-breitbart-news-now-with-20-more-neo-nazis/
I liked how the Jews passed the anti-Nazi laws in Germany to cover up their cover up of the faking of the Holocaust.
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
I liked how the Jews passed the anti-Nazi laws in Germany to cover up their cover up of the faking of the Holocaust.
We are clever that way.
It was getting all those European Jews to play hide and seek for the last seventy years that was the hard part. :)
But they were all Jews who secretly believed in Jesus
Quote from: Malthus on November 30, 2015, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: Valmy on November 30, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
I liked how the Jews passed the anti-Nazi laws in Germany to cover up their cover up of the faking of the Holocaust.
We are clever that way.
It was getting all those European Jews to play hide and seek for the last seventy years that was the hard part. :)
They did it for 40 years in the desert, so why not for 70 years in the Pripyet Marshes? :P
Quote from: Razgovory on November 30, 2015, 10:27:32 AM
Quote from: Syt on November 30, 2015, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 30, 2015, 10:17:16 AM
Huh, so this is apparently the work of some far left trans gendered conspiracy.
Wait, what?
http://www.salon.com/2015/11/30/ted_cruz_is_a_professional_liar_the_planned_parenthood_shooting_was_the_work_of_a_transgendered_leftist_activist/
:lol: Oh, no. Danger Wil Robinson.
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 27, 2015, 10:23:11 PM
Just awful :(
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/colorado-shooting-probe/index.html
Quote(CNN) Siege lasted for hours.
Yep.
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 01:25:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 27, 2015, 10:23:11 PM
Just awful :(
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/27/us/colorado-shooting-probe/index.html
Quote(CNN) Siege lasted for hours.
Yep.
Still, they brought you in eventually.
This will probably get lost in the noise over the San Bernandino shooting, but the Planned Parenthood shooter was an evangelical Christian with a history with abortion clinics.
http://time.com/4133513/planned-parenthood-shooter-vandalized-clinic/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook
Quote from: Ex Wife"He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but he does not follow the Bible in his actions," Micheau wrote. "He says as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
This will probably get lost in the noise over the San Bernandino shooting, but the Planned Parenthood shooter was an evangelical Christian with a history with abortion clinics.
http://time.com/4133513/planned-parenthood-shooter-vandalized-clinic/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook
Quote from: Ex Wife"He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but he does not follow the Bible in his actions," Micheau wrote. "He says as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."
Him and ISIL are two sides of the same coin. A poorly stuck one at that, using a debased ideology.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
This will probably get lost in the noise over the San Bernandino shooting, but the Planned Parenthood shooter was an evangelical Christian with a history with abortion clinics.
Completely coincidental. Why, those responsible were right there before our very eyes the whole time!
QuoteGOP lawmaker: Planned Parenthood is the 'real culprit' in the shooting
"The true instigator of this violence and all violence at any Planned Parenthood facility is Planned Parenthood themselves." — Rep. JoAnn Windholz on the attack and killing of three at a Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood clinic.
http://www.coloradoindependent.com/156450/gop-lawmaker-planned-parenthood-is-the-real-culprit-in-the-shooting
:blink:
Quote from: Monoriu on December 03, 2015, 10:20:09 PM
:blink:
What? Blaming the victim has a long and proud tradition here.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2015, 11:37:22 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on December 03, 2015, 10:20:09 PM
:blink:
What? Blaming the victim has a long and proud tradition here.
But a lawmaker saying that seems totally bizarre. They should know better.
Quote from: Monoriu on December 03, 2015, 11:41:51 PM
But a lawmaker saying that seems totally bizarre. They should know better.
This is a state law maker. While there are many excellent and fine local government lawmakers the public does not pay attention that much, so it tends to be have a lot of extremists and fruitcakes.
So they have provincial or local committees or something in China? This person has that level of prestige. Even the people in her district do not pay that much attention to what they just elected.
I think a Congressmen did something similar.
Quote from: Valmy on December 03, 2015, 11:45:51 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on December 03, 2015, 11:41:51 PM
But a lawmaker saying that seems totally bizarre. They should know better.
This is a state law maker. While there are many excellent and fine local government lawmakers the public does not pay attention that much, so it tends to be have a lot of extremists and fruitcakes.
So they have provincial or local committees or something in China? This person has that level of prestige. Even the people in her district do not pay that much attention to what they just elected.
I think there are far more local level committees in China, as there are five levels of government. Village, town, prefecture, province, central.
As with Muslim extremism and violence, devout Christians definitely bear a part of blame for this guy, with their fire and brimstone rhetoric and bullshit. I don't mean people like Valmy and the like, but definitely the likes of Mike Huckabee and Ted Cruz. Religion (like some crazy ideologies, like racism) appeals to fools and nuts, and the alarmist hellfire rhetoric definitely spurs these nuts into violent action.
When Huckabee and Cruz embrace and endorse (their claims of ignorance notwithstanding) hate preachers like Kevin Swanson, that is directly equivalent to some Saudi moguls embracing wahhabist preachers. Today it's a Planned Parenthood clinic, tomorrow it will be a gay wedding or a liberal comedy show. I am surprised more pressure is not put on evangelical Christian leaders over this.
Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 30, 2015, 10:30:13 AM
:huh:
This is the quote from the linked article: "It's also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and a transgendered leftist activist. If that's what he is, I don't think it's fair to blame on the rhetoric on the left. This is a murderer."
The difference is that prominent politicians who support independent, women or transgendered issues are not publicly meeting and endorsing independent, women or transgendered extremists (assuming such exist) who advocate, say, killing all Republicans or all men.
Prominent Christian evangelical politicians (including Ted Cruz) have actually met and endorsed (even though most of them later claimed ignorance) with an evangelical preacher advocating putting all gay people to death, on the other hand.
It's simply mind boggling not only what the religulous get away with in terms of free speech, but how this is being treated as acceptable by the mainstream politics.
Quote from: HisMajestyBOB on December 03, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
This will probably get lost in the noise over the San Bernandino shooting, but the Planned Parenthood shooter was an evangelical Christian with a history with abortion clinics.
http://time.com/4133513/planned-parenthood-shooter-vandalized-clinic/?xid=time_socialflow_facebook
Quote from: Ex Wife"He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but he does not follow the Bible in his actions," Micheau wrote. "He says as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."
The quotation seems to indicate he's not an evangelical Christian at all, but merely a straight-ahead nutcase whose ravings pull in Christian-sounding language.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/politics/mike-huckabee-planned-parenthood-domestic-terrorism/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/politics/mike-huckabee-planned-parenthood-domestic-terrorism/)
Quote from: Huckabee"What he did is domestic terrorism, and what he did is absolutely abominable, especially to us in the pro-life movement, because there's nothing about any of us that would condone or in any way look the other way on something like this,"
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2015, 01:26:25 AM
The quotation seems to indicate he's not an evangelical Christian at all, but merely a straight-ahead nutcase whose ravings pull in Christian-sounding language.
Straight-ahead nutcases whose ravings pull in Islamic-sounding language, however: that's a direct and specific connection to active ISIS sponsorship.
Quote from: CountDeMoney on December 04, 2015, 10:08:06 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on December 04, 2015, 01:26:25 AM
The quotation seems to indicate he's not an evangelical Christian at all, but merely a straight-ahead nutcase whose ravings pull in Christian-sounding language.
Straight-ahead nutcases whose ravings pull in Islamic-sounding language, however: that's a direct and specific connection to active ISIS sponsorship.
Amen