We have a lot of people on this board who have declared that the root problem with Islamic Fundamentalism is Islam itself. There's been a great deal of debate at whether the religion is itself the problem or there are other factors that the major problem. Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Sherman would have done a scorch earth on Islam! Boo Yah!
Why wouldn't the problem with Islamic fundamentalism be Islamic? I guess the proposals I hear on this is a theological offensive. If the problem was largely created by Salafist ideas being funded and exported by the Saudis, as many claim, than surely other Islamic ideas could also be funded and exported no?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
We have a lot of people on this board who have declared that the root problem with Islamic Fundamentalism is Islam itself. There's been a great deal of debate at whether the religion is itself the problem or there are other factors that the major problem. Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Christ is the answer. -_-
Yoga?
Education against cis/hetero patriarchy.
Quote from: alfred russel on November 25, 2015, 11:15:15 AM
Yoga?
To stretchy and malleable and so easily appropriated for other purposes.
Relentless cultural bombardment.
Cultural appropriation by liberal atheists.
Continue to be awesome and Muslims will continue to become Muslims on paper only. Eventually it will become grossly uncool to rebel against this and turn to fundamentalism.
What sort of awesomeness are you thinking of Tyr?
Jungian Christianity combined with yoga and eradication of cis/hetero patriarchy. Also, more pastel colours.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
What sort of awesomeness are you thinking of Tyr?
Sex, drugs & Rock 'n roll.
Quote from: Iormlund on November 25, 2015, 12:52:01 PM
Relentless cultural bombardment.
We need to stack more thematic works of art in Paris.
Quote from: Tyr on November 25, 2015, 03:26:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
What sort of awesomeness are you thinking of Tyr?
Sex, drugs & Rock 'n roll.
Yeah, we've had that for a long time. In that time Islamic Fundamentalism has only grown. Being "awesome" is not the worst strategy, but is being a Muslim in France or Belgium "Awesome"?
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 03:50:06 PM
Quote from: Tyr on November 25, 2015, 03:26:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
What sort of awesomeness are you thinking of Tyr?
Sex, drugs & Rock 'n roll.
Yeah, we've had that for a long time. In that time Islamic Fundamentalism has only grown. Being "awesome" is not the worst strategy, but is being a Muslim in France or Belgium "Awesome"?
1: :lol: at giving such a debate club answer to a flippant reply.
2: Islamic fundamentalism has grown. This is however in large part a response to the increasing secularisation.of muslims overall.
3: Is being a muslim in France or Belgium awesome? - I guess not. But not for the reasons many assume. I can't really speak for France or Belgium (though I think they're the same) but in the UK the problem with our large muslim communities is that a huge percentage of them were brought over in the days of full employment as bulk labour in the industrial cities- then oops, along comes Thatcher, no more industrial cities. They face the same shit that white kids growing up in such areas do except as a different race and religion they can think up more varied excuses. So for a more serious answer the way to stop many turning to Islamic extremism is to improve the economy and opportunities in these deprived areas.
That's a much more reasonable explanation than imperialism.
I partially agree with you on the last part, and that's what I was thinking about. The problem is chronic unemployment and sadly dark skinned people in Europe get hit harder by it then whites. Somehow though, I don't think Thatcher is the reason why so many Arabs living in France are unemployed. Algerians have lived there for generations, and still widely despised.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
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No one has mentioned nukes yet?
Languish IS dying.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 25, 2015, 05:18:42 PM
That's a much more reasonable explanation than imperialism.
Agreed, so long as one notes that "oops, along comes Thatcher" reduced industrial cities in the US, Germany, France, Japan, etc. The bitch has a lot more to answer for than Joe Imperialism does.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Compete with the Saudis. They are funding education in the 3rd world, and even in the western world.
1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries. All schools must conform to a state curriculum, no exception. They can go beyond that, but never below.
2nd step is to fund secular education in the 3rd world.
Quote from: 11B4V on November 25, 2015, 09:20:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
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Get all the Jihadis playing Magic: the Gathering instead of waging war? That's just crazy enough it might work!
Quote from: Barrister on November 26, 2015, 04:16:13 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on November 25, 2015, 09:20:06 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
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Get all the Jihadis playing Magic: the Gathering instead of waging war? That's just crazy enough it might work!
Well, they do have they're own cards. :P From Arabian nights long ago.
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Quote from: 11B4V on November 26, 2015, 04:22:35 PM
Well, they do have they're own cards. :P From Arabian nights long ago.
Oh I do know. I briefly played for awhile - right around the time of the original game and Arabian nights. I got out after that, though I dabbled in a few other games.
:nerd: :(
So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? :hmm:
Quote from: viper37 on November 26, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Compete with the Saudis. They are funding education in the 3rd world, and even in the western world.
1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries. All schools must conform to a state curriculum, no exception. They can go beyond that, but never below.
2nd step is to fund secular education in the 3rd world.
Compete with the Saudis? How much influence do the Saudis have in Quebec?
Quote from: Malthus on November 26, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? :hmm:
How we we know it won't work unless we try it? :contract:
One thing that particularly worries me about Islamifascism is: is it the state of things to come? Short to mid term we might fix it but long term we look destined for mass unemployment.
In many Arab countries they're already there. Masses of unemployed young- I read an article about some Tunisian guy who decided to try and make the crossing to Italy. .. he wasn't starving or in danger in Tunisia. He was just bored shitless.
Now imagine a future where the same applies in western countries. Is the current upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism just the pointy end of the move towards the post employment mega city one world?
Yoga flame
Quote from: Tyr on November 27, 2015, 02:52:39 AM
One thing that particularly worries me about Islamifascism is: is it the state of things to come? Short to mid term we might fix it but long term we look destined for mass unemployment.
In many Arab countries they're already there. Masses of unemployed young- I read an article about some Tunisian guy who decided to try and make the crossing to Italy. .. he wasn't starving or in danger in Tunisia. He was just bored shitless.
Now imagine a future where the same applies in western countries. Is the current upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism just the pointy end of the move towards the post employment mega city one world?
If you think this is bad, wait till Bangladesh experiences crop failure and mass floodings due to climate change by 2020.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 26, 2015, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 26, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Compete with the Saudis. They are funding education in the 3rd world, and even in the western world.
1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries. All schools must conform to a state curriculum, no exception. They can go beyond that, but never below.
2nd step is to fund secular education in the 3rd world.
Compete with the Saudis? How much influence do the Saudis have in Quebec?
they are sending shitloads of books to libraries, financing mosques and financing radical organizations to push for islamisation of the countries they are in.
Quote from: Tyr on November 27, 2015, 02:52:39 AM
One thing that particularly worries me about Islamifascism is: is it the state of things to come? Short to mid term we might fix it but long term we look destined for mass unemployment.
In many Arab countries they're already there. Masses of unemployed young- I read an article about some Tunisian guy who decided to try and make the crossing to Italy. .. he wasn't starving or in danger in Tunisia. He was just bored shitless.
Now imagine a future where the same applies in western countries. Is the current upsurge in Islamic fundamentalism just the pointy end of the move towards the post employment mega city one world?
Iirc one of the things that has caused so much tension in the ME is a drought the severity of which is unprecedented.
Quote from: viper37 on November 27, 2015, 04:02:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 26, 2015, 05:24:42 PM
Quote from: viper37 on November 26, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Compete with the Saudis. They are funding education in the 3rd world, and even in the western world.
1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries. All schools must conform to a state curriculum, no exception. They can go beyond that, but never below.
2nd step is to fund secular education in the 3rd world.
Compete with the Saudis? How much influence do the Saudis have in Quebec?
they are sending shitloads of books to libraries, financing mosques and financing radical organizations to push for islamisation of the countries they are in.
Give me some numbers here. How many books are being sent to Quebec. How much money is going to Quebec Mosques? How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec? A year? A decade, help me out here.
I've said it many times: nukes & chemical abroad - death camps at home - and you'll see how fast the Muslim infection can be cured. However considering how tender your collective souls are then I suggest a complete quarantine. Fence the vermin in until they either slaughter each other or grow up and become civilized; either way will be good.
But none of that will come to pass of course - so gird yourselves for more attacks and do spare us the subsequent bleating!
G.
Quote from: viper37 on November 26, 2015, 03:58:44 PM
1st step is to forbid their teachings in our countries.
If step 1 is to trash free speech, I think your solution is worse than the problem.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 27, 2015, 05:10:10 PM
Give me some numbers here. How many books are being sent to Quebec. How much money is going to Quebec Mosques? How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec? A year? A decade, help me out here.
One among many:
https://archive.is/8VnV2 (https://archive.is/8VnV2)
as for the islamisation of quebec, it's a long term project for these organizations and they ain't targetting "Quebec" per se. First, they need to rally all muslims to their causes, willingly or not, then, they'll push harder, as they are doing in some parts of Europe.
For the moment, it's as far and the risk for Canada to fall under a communist coup. Doesn't mean we should rest on our hands and let extremists have their ways.
If you want to read on the problem of radical islam:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-yousaf-butt-/saudi-wahhabism-islam-terrorism_b_6501916.html
http://securityobserver.org/the-arab-spring-and-the-funding-of-salafism-in-the-mena-region/
http://www.france24.com/en/20120929-how-saudi-arabia-petrodollars-finance-salafist-winter-islamism-wahhabism-egypt
http://thediplomat.com/2014/10/chinese-salafism-and-the-saudi-connection/
http://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2014/12/20/the-radicalization-of-south-asian-islam-saudi-money-and-the-spread-of-wahhabism/
Quote from: dps on November 27, 2015, 09:17:30 PM
If step 1 is to trash free speech, I think your solution is worse than the problem.
Hate speech is not covered by free speech here. So far, it seems to have worked ok.
Quote from: Grallon on November 27, 2015, 09:07:35 PM
I've said it many times: nukes & chemical abroad - death camps at home - and you'll see how fast the Muslim infection can be cured. However considering how tender your collective souls are then I suggest a complete quarantine. Fence the vermin in until they either slaughter each other or grow up and become civilized; either way will be good.
But none of that will come to pass of course - so gird yourselves for more attacks and do spare us the subsequent bleating!
G.
There are 1.6 billion muslims all over the world. Are there 1.6 billion criminals comprised in the 1.6 billion?
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2015, 01:04:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 27, 2015, 05:10:10 PM
Give me some numbers here. How many books are being sent to Quebec. How much money is going to Quebec Mosques? How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec? A year? A decade, help me out here.
One among many:
https://archive.is/8VnV2 (https://archive.is/8VnV2)
as for the islamisation of quebec, it's a long term project for these organizations. First, they need to rally all muslims to their causes, willingly or not, then, they'll push harder, as they are doing in some parts of Europe.
For the moment, it's as far and the risk for Canada to fall under a communist coup. Doesn't mean we should rest on our hands and let extremists have their ways.
So many that they had to take a picture from a different country to illustrate it. :lol: As far as I know, religion isn't a form a hate speech, I didn't know you guys even had hate speech laws. Grallon would may need to be careful.
Quote from: Malthus on November 26, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? :hmm:
Or genocide.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 28, 2015, 01:10:42 AM
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2015, 01:04:04 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 27, 2015, 05:10:10 PM
Give me some numbers here. How many books are being sent to Quebec. How much money is going to Quebec Mosques? How are far off is the "Islamisation" of Quebec? A year? A decade, help me out here.
One among many:
https://archive.is/8VnV2 (https://archive.is/8VnV2)
as for the islamisation of quebec, it's a long term project for these organizations. First, they need to rally all muslims to their causes, willingly or not, then, they'll push harder, as they are doing in some parts of Europe.
For the moment, it's as far and the risk for Canada to fall under a communist coup. Doesn't mean we should rest on our hands and let extremists have their ways.
So many that they had to take a picture from a different country to illustrate it. :lol: As far as I know, religion isn't a form a hate speech, I didn't know you guys even had hate speech laws. Grallon would may need to be careful.
I don't think Viper is talking about Islam, but wahhabism.
At least in Europe sects can be banned for spreading a harmful message. Just look at scientology.
In any case, there is no freedom of speech in schools for children. Schools are very often regulated in terms of the type of content they can deliver to kids - for example you couldn't show pornography to children.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
Quote from: Malthus on November 26, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? :hmm:
Or genocide.
Magic: the Gathering it is then.
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on November 28, 2015, 02:21:12 AM
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2015, 01:46:27 AM
Quote from: Malthus on November 26, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
So, the Languish consensus is that if the problem is Islam the solution is Magic: The Gathering? :hmm:
Or genocide.
Magic: the Gathering it is then.
It does seem this way, doesn't it? :hmm:
Quote from: viper37 on November 28, 2015, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: Grallon on November 27, 2015, 09:07:35 PM
I've said it many times: nukes & chemical abroad - death camps at home - and you'll see how fast the Muslim infection can be cured. However considering how tender your collective souls are then I suggest a complete quarantine. Fence the vermin in until they either slaughter each other or grow up and become civilized; either way will be good.
But none of that will come to pass of course - so gird yourselves for more attacks and do spare us the subsequent bleating!
G.
There are 1.6 billion muslims all over the world. Are there 1.6 billion criminals comprised in the 1.6 billion?
1.6 billion sinners. Though perhaps grallon is not the one to pass judgment.
Quote from: Martinus on November 28, 2015, 01:49:28 AM
I don't think Viper is talking about Islam, but wahhabism.
At least in Europe sects can be banned for spreading a harmful message. Just look at scientology.
In any case, there is no freedom of speech in schools for children. Schools are very often regulated in terms of the type of content they can deliver to kids - for example you couldn't show pornography to children.
I don't think the Muslim brotherhood is Wahhabi.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
We have a lot of people on this board who have declared that the root problem with Islamic Fundamentalism is Islam itself. There's been a great deal of debate at whether the religion is itself the problem or there are other factors that the major problem. Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Solution?
Westernization and free market economy.
Smash them with western culture.
Destroy all that resist.
Islam delenda est.
Quote from: Siege on December 01, 2015, 01:34:02 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 25, 2015, 11:06:33 AM
We have a lot of people on this board who have declared that the root problem with Islamic Fundamentalism is Islam itself. There's been a great deal of debate at whether the religion is itself the problem or there are other factors that the major problem. Let's assume that Islam is the problem, what is the solution? What do you guys propose we actually do about it? This thread is reserved for that issue.
Solution?
Westernization and free market economy.
Smash them with western culture.
Destroy all that resist.
Islam delenda est.
You want us to destroy Israel? :huh: