QuoteElite Iraqi troops in forefront after US pullback
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press
BAGHDAD – As Iraqi security services prepare to take back their towns from the Americans on Tuesday, the sharpest arrow in their quiver is an elite, American-trained force with a reputation that leads many Iraqis to call it "the dirty brigade."Its real name is the Counter Terrorism Bureau, and its commander insists it's professional, nonsectarian and not dirty at all.
Violence is already rising and will likely continue after the handover as different factions test the government's ability to manage without American backup. But Kalib Shegati al-Kenani, the Iraqi Army general who heads the bureau, is confident his force can cope and that his country will not slide into renewed sectarian warfare.
The elite units, armed with high-tech U.S.-made equipment, often pair up with American special forces to go after Iraq's most wanted foes — both al-Qaida extremists and Shiite militants.
They are thought to have been the main force that assisted the Americans during an offensive in Baghdad's Sadr City quarter last year to rout Shiite militias, and on operations targeting Sunni insurgents.
Formed soon after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, the force became known as the "Dirty Brigade" because it was secretive and until recently operated outside the Iraqi chain of command, reporting directly to its U.S. handlers.
It was so little known that it even was rumored to be used against the Shiite-dominated government's opponents in the political mainstream_ a charge denied by the Iraqis and the Americans.
Originally numbering about 4,500 members, it is reported to have doubled in size and now reports directly to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
"We are professional and not sectarian forces, and we bring together people from all sections of the population. Each member of the bureau signs a document vowing not to speak about sectarianism, partisan affairs and nationalities. Their commitment is only to Iraq," al-Kenani told The Associated Press in an interview this week.
Al-Kenani, a 59-year-old veteran of the eight-year Iran-Iraq War and the first Gulf War, is a Shiite, his deputy is a Sunni and one of his top generals is a Kurd.
The force has sought to reinforce its nonpartisan makeup by refusing to accept recruits who previously served in sectarian militias. Also, says Maj. Gen. Abdul-Wahab al-Saedi, a senior commander, it "does not allow any minister or government official to enter its headquarters to prevent any interference in investigations and security operations."
Its ranks are made up of Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds, al-Saedi said, but it does not publish breakdowns.
A statement in Arabic posted on the U.S. military's Web site acknowledged the public's "misconceptions about this very viable and important unit."It picks its targets on the basis of rigorous checks, the statement said. "In short," it added, "the CTB's mission is targeting terrorists, not the Iraqi public or political foes."Al-Kenani said the bureau has a good intelligence-gathering machine and "cooperation with all ministries."
The Americans are already leaving the towns and cities, and once they are gone full responsibility will fall to the Iraqi police and military, which numbered 654,362 members at last count.
Although some troops will remain as trainers and advisers, the remaining 133,000 U.S. military personnel will be confined to base unless called in by the Iraqis. A full withdrawal is envisioned by the end of 2011.
The Iraqi government has declared Tuesday a public holiday."June 30 is considered an Iraqi victory day," al-Kenani said, "and we will all celebrate the withdrawal of American forces."
Explosions around the country have claimed more than 160 lives since June 20, when a truck bomb in the northern city of Kirkuk killed 82. A bombing in Baghdad's Shiite district of Sadr City killed at least 61 people on Wednesday.
But al-Kenani said the days of mass violence and near-civil war were over. "Whoever carries out explosions and security breaches after the withdrawal of forces will have no excuse," he said.
"They were repeatedly bragging about fighting the occupation; now the occupation is out."
Associated Press Writer Patrick Quinn contributed to this story from Baghdad.
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What are the assessments from American military and government?
Well...the more elite units of the IA are pretty hard core..... we had Iraq's equivalent of delta force stationed with us outside of sadr city last year with some higher up SF guys....they were pretty hardcore and had better weapons than us in some cases. Their leader was my age, and shorter than me, which is hard to do. But they knew their shit, and were really really good at it.
But the regular IA...is mediocre. Police are mostly all corrupt and shady. National Police are pretty good though.
Is it true, that many of them are ex-Shadam era special forces, who just have fund new masters?...
Quote from: Alcibiades on June 27, 2009, 12:02:26 AM
Well...the more elite units of the IA are pretty hard core..... we had Iraq's equivalent of delta force stationed with us outside of sadr city last year with some higher up SF guys....they were pretty hardcore and had better weapons than us in some cases. Their leader was my age, and shorter than me, which is hard to do. But they knew their shit, and were really really good at it.
But the regular IA...is mediocre. Police are mostly all corrupt and shady. National Police are pretty good though.
It has been a real boon to have you and the other vets on Languish.
Speaking of which, do you know if the Seebrew is in Afghanistan now?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2009, 07:55:23 AMIt has been a real boon to have you and the other vets on Languish.
Yeah, thank God for Hansmeister.
Quote from: Alcibiades on June 27, 2009, 12:02:26 AM
Well...the more elite units of the IA are pretty hard core..... we had Iraq's equivalent of delta force stationed with us outside of sadr city last year with some higher up SF guys....they were pretty hardcore and had better weapons than us in some cases. Their leader was my age, and shorter than me, which is hard to do. But they knew their shit, and were really really good at it.
But the regular IA...is mediocre. Police are mostly all corrupt and shady. National Police are pretty good though.
Would you say that those more elite guys are American quality and the best Arab unit around?
Quote from: Admiral Yi on June 27, 2009, 07:55:23 AM
Speaking of which, do you know if the Seebrew is in Afghanistan now?
He left for a month of training (Fort Polk, maybe?) less than a month ago, so odds are, no - unless the whole ytraining thing was a cover for a spy mission into the 'Stan.
Quote from: grumbler on June 27, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
He left for a month of training (Fort Polk, maybe?) less than a month ago, so odds are, no - unless the whole ytraining thing was a cover for a spy mission into the 'Stan.
Them Jews are tricky. He could have been tapped to help keep Jeremiah Wright away from the Prez.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
Would you say that those more elite guys are American quality and the best Arab unit around?
I would say they are on par with our SF guys, not our delta force, but definitely our SF guys. They've seen more combat probably than any unit from any country in the past who knows how long. I mean, our guys rotate out, they do this day in and day out and are on the forefront of raids/battles.
Quote from: Alcibiades on June 27, 2009, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
Would you say that those more elite guys are American quality and the best Arab unit around?
I would say they are on par with our SF guys, not our delta force, but definitely our SF guys. They've seen more combat probably than any unit from any country in the past who knows how long. I mean, our guys rotate out, they do this day in and day out and are on the forefront of raids/battles.
That is interesting. I wonder if some in Israel are having second thoughts about supporting this war, considering we are going to leave behind some very well equipped and highly effective arab units. Not that Israel could have stopped the war anyway.
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on June 27, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
Is it true, that many of them are ex-Shadam era special forces, who just have fund new masters?...
Indeed. After the Sardaukar were disbanded by Muad-Dib, their commanders were reduced in rank to mere Bashars.
Quote from: Scipio on June 27, 2009, 11:35:34 PM
Quote from: Mr.Penguin on June 27, 2009, 01:09:39 AM
Is it true, that many of them are ex-Shadam era special forces, who just have fund new masters?...
Indeed. After the Sardaukar were disbanded by Muad-Dib, their commanders were reduced in rank to mere Bashars.
Damn it, I had to read it twice... <_<
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2009, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on June 27, 2009, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
Would you say that those more elite guys are American quality and the best Arab unit around?
I would say they are on par with our SF guys, not our delta force, but definitely our SF guys. They've seen more combat probably than any unit from any country in the past who knows how long. I mean, our guys rotate out, they do this day in and day out and are on the forefront of raids/battles.
That is interesting. I wonder if some in Israel are having second thoughts about supporting this war, considering we are going to leave behind some very well equipped and highly effective arab units. Not that Israel could have stopped the war anyway.
All their fancy equipment will be broken in a few years.
Not if they still recieve the spare parts from the U.S..
Quote from: Saladin on June 28, 2009, 12:59:28 PM
Not if they still recieve the spare parts from the U.S..
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Dirty little monkeys won't maintain their shit.
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2009, 10:46:40 PM
Quote from: Alcibiades on June 27, 2009, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on June 27, 2009, 02:47:51 PM
Would you say that those more elite guys are American quality and the best Arab unit around?
I would say they are on par with our SF guys, not our delta force, but definitely our SF guys. They've seen more combat probably than any unit from any country in the past who knows how long. I mean, our guys rotate out, they do this day in and day out and are on the forefront of raids/battles.
That is interesting. I wonder if some in Israel are having second thoughts about supporting this war, considering we are going to leave behind some very well equipped and highly effective arab units. Not that Israel could have stopped the war anyway.
Well, that was Siegy's opinion from the start. I remember him posting some photo of Amarican instructors with IA recruits and saying something like 'the worst defect of Arab armies is their lousy fire discipline and you are teaching them how to do it right' (of course the words weren't exactly those... )