We can not have a Moon Gas gap!
http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/11/how-moon-gas-could-solve-climate-change/
QuoteHow Moon Gas Could Solve Climate Change
Many scientists believe that retrieving helium3 from the moon could finally generate an unlimited supply of nuclear energy here on Earth without creating radioactive waste.
By Lewis M. Andrews
November 11, 2015
News of billionaires funding their own space projects has become so commonplace that Infospace founder Naveen Jain's recently announced target date of 2017 for landing the first of three robot rovers on the moon has received little press attention. Certainly the goal of his Moon Express company—to begin mining a lunar gas called helium3—hardly sounds as profitable as Elon Musk getting a high-profile NASA contract to service the space station or as exciting as Richard Branson's plan for sub-orbital tourism.
Yet many scientists believe that retrieving helium3 from the moon could finally make it possible to generate an unlimited supply of nuclear energy here on Earth without creating radioactive waste. Unlike enriched uranium, reprocessed plutonium, or thorium, helium3 can power fusion reactors without posing any danger from potential accidents, natural catastrophes such as the 2011 Japan earthquake, terrorist sabotage, or inadequate shielding of spent fuel rods.
Unfortunately, helium3 is a very rare gas on Earth. Our planet's thick atmosphere and magnetic field block the rays from the sun that carry the element. But as much as 1.1 million metric tons of helium3 are believed to exist in abundance at or near the surface of our airless moon, which has been saturated for billions of years by unfiltered solar winds. Just 40 of those tons—about enough to fill two railroad boxcars—could likely power the entire Earth at our present level of energy consumption for a year.
Clean Energy—From Space
The potential of helium3 to provide clean energy is so great that many observers consider importing it to be the real long-term goal of most private space investors. What distinguishes Jain's business plan from those of his billionaire competitors, which include not only Musk and Branson but Amazon's Jeff Bezos and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, is not his interest in a safe nuclear fuel but his willingness to forgo income streams closer to Earth, such as servicing the International Space Station (ISS) or launching tourists into orbit, and go straight for the moon. We need to start thinking of our nearest celestial neighbor, Jain says, as Earth's eighth continent, not as some distant planet.
Many foreign governments and companies seem to think he has it right. The Chinese version of NASA, which is aggressively committed to establishing a human colony for mining helium3 by 2030, has already put a lander on the moon and aims to begin retrieving lunar soil samples by 2017. The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) has begun talking about having its own gas processing facility on the moon within a decade, and Russia's S.P. Korolev Rocket and Science Corporation says it too has a program to ship helium3 back to Earth.
Ironically, it is U.S. political establishment that seems to have the least interest in helium3, as well as the lessons of its own history. From the days of the Erie Canal down through the Hoover Dam, the Manhattan Project, and the Apollo moon program itself, government accomplishment in complex engineering stands in stark contrast to most everything else it has attempted.
With 43 years' experience in spacecraft instrumentation and design since the last Apollo moon landing, 15 years of astronauts living and working on the space station, and the expertise that comes from successfully landing and operating three Mars robot rovers, America's obstacles to mining the lunar surface are certainly formidable but hardly science fiction.
Make America Can-Do Again
Perhaps it is time to listen to the growing number of environmentalists who have conceded that only nuclear power can realistically substitute for coal and gas, if hydrocarbon emissions are really to be reduced. In April 2014, the United Nations' 200 member Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change formally threw its weight behind atomic energy, calling for a tripling of output as the only way to stop atmospheric pollution.
On October 6 of this year, Carol Browner, who served as the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) administrator during the Clinton administration, wrote a letter to the Wall Street Journal, admitting she "used to be against nuclear power but changed my stance after realizing that without it we will likely fall short of our carbon-pollution goals."
In 1968, American audiences thrilled to Stanley Kubrick's cinematic masterpiece, "2001: A Space Odyssey," in large part because he had so painstakingly researched what scientists had said was realistically possible to build on the moon by the year in the film's title. The fact that in 2015 so many of our citizens and politicians see no hope for the future beyond further empowering some regulatory bureaucracy like the EPA shows just how far we have lowered our sights.
The text is all over the place.
Quote from: The Brain on November 14, 2015, 05:18:35 AM
The text is all over the place.
It has a silly title and supports my space exploration narrative. That's all the justification I need to post it.
Ed hasn't shown up to make a joke in this thread yet? Languish is dying lulz
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Ed hasn't shown up to make a joke in this thread yet? Languish is dying lulz
Ed doesn't do just gas...he's into solid deposits.
Quote from: The Brain on November 14, 2015, 05:18:35 AM
The text is all over the place.
Dreadful right wing blog.
Global warming is a hoax.
Still, i would take any excuse to colonize the moon.
I've heard this before about the helium-3. I would think it's extremely expensive if we try to mine and ship the gas anytime soon, but costs will go down in the future as we develop more efficient methods of extracting the stuff and shipping it to Earth.
How is the Helium 3 gas stored on the moon? If it exists in the rocks, don't you have to process lots and lots of rocks to get it in the first place?
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
Quote from: Caliga on November 14, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Ed hasn't shown up to make a joke in this thread yet? Languish is dying lulz
Ed is dying. Lulz.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
How is the Helium 3 gas stored on the moon? If it exists in the rocks, don't you have to process lots and lots of rocks to get it in the first place?
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
Yeah, it's stored in rocks. You would need a fleet of mining vehicles scooping up the upper layer of soil and taking back to some sort of refinery to have it extracted. Think hundreds of tons of moon rocks to get one ton of He-3.
Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
How is the Helium 3 gas stored on the moon? If it exists in the rocks, don't you have to process lots and lots of rocks to get it in the first place?
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
Yeah, it's stored in rocks. You would need a fleet of mining vehicles scooping up the upper layer of soil and taking back to some sort of refinery to have it extracted. Think hundreds of tons of moon rocks to get one ton of He-3.
So it is stored in the rocks. The next questions are, how deep are these rocks, and how many tons of rocks need to be processed to get sufficient Helium? Are we talking about surface rocks, or rocks many km beneath the surface? Can we can a ton of helium 3 from several hundred tons of rocks? Or several thousand tons? Or tens of thousands of tons?
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
This is actually more of the key.
And the answer is: not even close.
/cue Timmah hysterical disagreement in 1...2...3...
So may I conclude that this is a pie in the sky, at least in our life times?
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
How is the Helium 3 gas stored on the moon? If it exists in the rocks, don't you have to process lots and lots of rocks to get it in the first place?
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
Yeah, it's stored in rocks. You would need a fleet of mining vehicles scooping up the upper layer of soil and taking back to some sort of refinery to have it extracted. Think hundreds of tons of moon rocks to get one ton of He-3.
So it is stored in the rocks. The next questions are, how deep are these rocks, and how many tons of rocks need to be processed to get sufficient Helium? Are we talking about surface rocks, or rocks many km beneath the surface? Can we can a ton of helium 3 from several hundred tons of rocks? Or several thousand tons? Or tens of thousands of tons?
Not that deep. Should be surface rocks and soil. I took a look and was off by a factor or two. Think 150 million tons of rock for one ton of Helium-3. Will we see it in our life times? Well, that really depends on how long you plan to live. You should probably consider this "pie in the sky".
I am not buying shares in the East Moon Trading Company.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
How is the Helium 3 gas stored on the moon? If it exists in the rocks, don't you have to process lots and lots of rocks to get it in the first place?
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
Yeah, it's stored in rocks. You would need a fleet of mining vehicles scooping up the upper layer of soil and taking back to some sort of refinery to have it extracted. Think hundreds of tons of moon rocks to get one ton of He-3.
So it is stored in the rocks. The next questions are, how deep are these rocks, and how many tons of rocks need to be processed to get sufficient Helium? Are we talking about surface rocks, or rocks many km beneath the surface? Can we can a ton of helium 3 from several hundred tons of rocks? Or several thousand tons? Or tens of thousands of tons?
Surface rocks.
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 10:22:36 PM
I am not buying shares in the East Moon Trading Company.
They be worth pennies now, but will be worth million a few hundred years!
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 16, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on November 16, 2015, 08:33:07 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on November 16, 2015, 07:57:02 PM
How is the Helium 3 gas stored on the moon? If it exists in the rocks, don't you have to process lots and lots of rocks to get it in the first place?
And a more fundamental question: assuming you have no problem extracting the gas from the rocks (doubt it), and assuming you can economically transport it back to earth, is the technology to generate electricity from Helium 3 ready?
Yeah, it's stored in rocks. You would need a fleet of mining vehicles scooping up the upper layer of soil and taking back to some sort of refinery to have it extracted. Think hundreds of tons of moon rocks to get one ton of He-3.
So it is stored in the rocks. The next questions are, how deep are these rocks, and how many tons of rocks need to be processed to get sufficient Helium? Are we talking about surface rocks, or rocks many km beneath the surface? Can we can a ton of helium 3 from several hundred tons of rocks? Or several thousand tons? Or tens of thousands of tons?
Surface rocks.
Fuck yeah. :punk:
Time to start buying up some Moon real estate in expectation of future mining... ;)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on November 16, 2015, 11:10:28 PM
Surface rocks.
No, it doesn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WemYkwGjik
Judging from the falsetto, slow jams may be a better source of helium than rock anyway.