If "Nm" was the number of people who know (ie have heard and can recognise as familiar) a particular music piece and "Nc" was the number of people who know (ie can mention the name) of a composer of that piece, which music piece would have the highest value for the "Nm/Nc" equation?
I would nominate the "Flower Duet" from "Lakme" by Delibes.
Francisco Tárrega's Gran Valse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3huwi5gxixE
The first thing that came to my mind is Canon D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVn2YGvIv0w
Erik Satie Gymnopédie No.1 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Xm7s9eGxU
Pachelbel is pretty well known I think.
I'd guess it's something from a movie soundtrack.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Pachelbel is pretty well known I think.
Yeah, I mean often that song is referred to as 'Pachelbel's Canon' :D
Jheronimus Vinders - Lamentatio super morte Josquin des Pres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfurVg8T1s)
Danse Macabre by Camille Saint-Saëns.
Night On A Bald (Bare) Mountain by Mussorgsky.
The Champions League theme.
Quote from: Brazen on October 19, 2015, 10:27:48 AM
Night On A Bald (Bare) Mountain by Mussorgsky.
Mussorgsky is a known name though.
Quote from: garbon on October 19, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Pachelbel is pretty well known I think.
Yeah, I mean often that song is referred to as 'Pachelbel's Canon' :D
Well, I have never heard the name before. :blush:
Quote from: Maladict on October 19, 2015, 10:29:42 AM
The Champions League theme.
Händel is a very well-known composer. I guess most people don't make the connection.
Quote from: Savonarola on October 19, 2015, 10:24:50 AM
Jheronimus Vinders - Lamentatio super morte Josquin des Pres (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJfurVg8T1s)
This one checks both boxes for me. Familiar music, never heard of the composer.
Red River Valley
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJkRDQmL2Y
How famous is James Horner? If he isn't that famous, then I give you, My Heart Will Go On :cool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNyKDI9pn0Q
James Horner is extremely well known. Sorry Mono.
What about all the Disney classics?
It's a small world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jiaU0xbOKs
When you wish upon a star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAG4RrLsnVk
A whole new world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kl4hJ4j48s
Be our guest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afzmwAKUppU
Star Spangled Banner then -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_lCmBvYMRs
Military songs -
Yellow Rose of Texas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LArGlfEVYqM
When Johnny comes marching home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRJB036ev2Q
Battle hymn of the republic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5mmFPyDK_8
Can we not use blackface minstrel show tunes? That always makes things awkward.
Easy listening piano pieces -
Ballade pour Adeline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCCan3TFPoc
Music Box Dancer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LRsYn9ufY0
Through the Arbor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spaMy5VONvw
Christmas songs
Silent night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T4WB2zfmps
When Santa Claus is coming to town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjoMqFlc5zQ
Joy to the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpgaWm2pnNs
Musicals
Sound of music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJTRZI2HThU
Shall we dance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgVPnWmUqd4
Phantom of the opera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JaeBxYCI9k
Tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_QffCZs-bg
You're trolling more than usual, Mono.
Handel's Messiah. Who hasn't heard that?
Moon River
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SI7N22k_A
Time to say goodbye
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ENX3aHlqU
Scarborough Fair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgTa7Z_GWxE
Carl Orff's O Fortuna (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIwrgAnx6Q8)
Anton Karas - The Third Man:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oEsWi88Qv0
And did you know who composed Yakety Sax? Boots Randolph. That's who.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4NDLJow1ZE
And remember the awesome intro song from Pulp Fiction? Dick Dale? No, not quite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6qGy3RtwY
Quote from: Monoriu on October 19, 2015, 10:03:31 AM
The first thing that came to my mind is Canon D.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVn2YGvIv0w
I have a CD called "Pachebel's Greatest Hits".
It's 12 tracks with different variations of the Canon in D. :D
Quote from: garbon on October 19, 2015, 10:10:17 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
Pachelbel is pretty well known I think.
Yeah, I mean often that song is referred to as 'Pachelbel's Canon' :D
But that's about all he's known for.
Maybe Ravel's Bolero (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4wb11w0ZHQ) fits the bill?
I guess it depends on just how well-known a "best known piece" is and how little known a "least known composer" is. Couperin is hardly a well-known name but the third movement of his Suite in A Minor, Courante la Mignonne, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR580CKFHX4)is probably very recognizable to anyone who played a lot of EUII. On the other hand, Frederick the Great was a composer and is likely not known for that (if he's "known" at all), but none of his pieces are particularly known either.
On the flip side, for little-known works by famous composers, I'd nominate Beethoven's "Wellington's Victory". (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_ibES7i-HU)
For Europeans who grew up watching Eurovision broadcasts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwU37osOkQA
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2015, 12:42:29 PM
For Europeans who grew up watching Eurovision broadcasts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwU37osOkQA
I think for this reason a lot of people actually know who wrote it. :P
Same with Mouret's Rondeau. Or Purcell's "Music for the Funeral of Queen Mary".
For Canadians, I give you Dolores Claman (of whom I'd never heard of until I looked it up).
What song did she compose? Why the Hockey Theme.
Yep, even in France, Charpentier is not that well known.
As for an example of the best known piece by the least known composer, say The Planets Suite, for instance the Mars movement, by Gustav Holst.
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
As for an example of the best known piece by the least known composer, say The Planets Suite, for instance the Mars movement, by Gustav Holst.
Not sure it's so well known - probably the music it inspired is better known (parts of the Star Wars soundtracks or the battle music from Gladiator). I think if you know The Planets, you'll know Holst.
Personally, I love Tomita's electronic interpretation of the material (used to some effect in the grindhouse cut of Star Wars A New Hope).
Regarding Pachelbel's Canon, there's a rather funny rant by a youtube guy about it and its overwhelming influence in contemporary music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM)
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2015, 12:55:57 PM
Quote from: Duque de Bragança on October 19, 2015, 12:51:54 PM
As for an example of the best known piece by the least known composer, say The Planets Suite, for instance the Mars movement, by Gustav Holst.
Not sure it's so well known - probably the music it inspired is better known (parts of the Star Wars soundtracks or the battle music from Gladiator). I think if you know The Planets, you'll know Holst.
Personally, I love Tomita's electronic interpretation of the material (used to some effect in the grindhouse cut of Star Wars A New Hope).
Tomita's cover of Debussy's Arabesque no.1 was the theme for a rather peculiar kids show in Spain when I was very young, it's one of those songs that a whole generation has seared in their brains and probably don't know the name or author.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo)
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 01:08:38 PMTomita's cover of Debussy's Arabesque no.1 was the theme for a rather peculiar kids show in Spain when I was very young, it's one of those songs that a whole generation has seared in their brains and probably don't know the name or author.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo)
When I grew up Tomita's variation of the Aranjuez Concerto by Rodrigo was popular on TV if you needed an ethereal sci-fi sound for a show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILF8CrhoKo
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 01:08:38 PMRegarding Pachelbel's Canon, there's a rather funny rant by a youtube guy about it and its overwhelming influence in Tomita's cover of Debussy's Arabesque no.1 was the theme for a rather peculiar kids show in Spain when I was very young, it's one of those songs that a whole generation has seared in their brains and probably don't know the name or author.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo)
When I grew up Tomita's variation of the Aranjuez Concerto by Rodrigo was popular on TV if you needed an ethereal sci-fi sound for a show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILF8CrhoKo
Was the misquote intentional? :lol:
Orpheus in the Underworld By Offenbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBWx_2y4R4
Entry of the Gladiators by Fucit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
Quote from: Syt on October 19, 2015, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 01:08:38 PMRegarding Pachelbel's Canon, there's a rather funny rant by a youtube guy about it and its overwhelming influence in Tomita's cover of Debussy's Arabesque no.1 was the theme for a rather peculiar kids show in Spain when I was very young, it's one of those songs that a whole generation has seared in their brains and probably don't know the name or author.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igHOaMOzzUo)
When I grew up Tomita's variation of the Aranjuez Concerto by Rodrigo was popular on TV if you needed an ethereal sci-fi sound for a show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SILF8CrhoKo
Was the misquote intentional? :lol:
No :D
Probably some traditional piece.
Quote from: Razgovory on October 19, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
Orpheus in the Underworld By Offenbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBWx_2y4R4
Entry of the Gladiators by Fucit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0
These are excellent contenders.
Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 19, 2015, 02:44:54 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on October 19, 2015, 01:29:58 PM
Orpheus in the Underworld By Offenbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBWx_2y4R4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLBWx_2y4R4)
Entry of the Gladiators by Fucit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0)
These are excellent contenders.
Rossini's William overture is probably another one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7O91GDWGPU
I'm not sure if Franz Liszt is to Obscure or not. If so his Hungarian Rhapsody No 2 is a contender.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0odaG9qi818
Liszt, Rossini and Offenbach are all quite well known to someone even moderately interested in classical music.
Fucik is a great pick though. It's also a quintessential Austro-Hungarian military march as written by a Czech guy.
Oh, and because this is bugging me, you can pretty up your links with the insert hyperlink (the world with the file in front of it). Just put the text between the open/close tags and the url inside the open tag:
[ url = http:/ /youtube.com ] My Link [ / url ]
Just remove spaces.
The 'Capriol Suite' by Warlock seems well know for something from a tragically short lived composer, sad but interesting life story, though his proper name escapes me at the moment.
Has "In the hall of the mountain king" by Grieg been mentioned already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIYT-MrVaI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIYT-MrVaI)
Quote from: Martinus on October 19, 2015, 03:23:41 PM
Fucik is a great pick though. It's also a quintessential Austro-Hungarian military march as written by a Czech guy.
Sounds like circus music to me. :hmm:
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 03:57:21 PM
Has "In the hall of the mountain king" by Grieg been mentioned already?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIYT-MrVaI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrIYT-MrVaI)
Selections from his Peer Gynt suite are pretty strong contenders, too, especially "Morning."
Actually, any composer whose work was used in Looney Tunes would count.
Grieg is another who is not a contender because the Nc variable is too high.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
Sounds like circus music to me. :hmm:
Thus apropos for the Austro-Hungarian military.
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 01:08:38 PM
Tomita's cover of Debussy's Arabesque no.1 was the theme for a rather peculiar kids show in Spain when I was very young, it's one of those songs that a whole generation has seared in their brains and probably don't know the name or author.
Planeta Imaginario :wub:
And yeah, I didn't know the name or the author.
Quote from: celedhring on October 20, 2015, 08:22:18 AM
Quote from: The Larch on October 19, 2015, 01:08:38 PM
Tomita's cover of Debussy's Arabesque no.1 was the theme for a rather peculiar kids show in Spain when I was very young, it's one of those songs that a whole generation has seared in their brains and probably don't know the name or author.
Planeta Imaginario :wub:
And yeah, I didn't know the name or the author.
That was one trippy show. :lol: Spanish 80s kid television programming must have been ran on acid, for that and La bola de cristal to be their main shows.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2015, 04:34:42 PM
Grieg is another who is not a contender because the Nc variable is too high.
Yeah, I thought so too.
I guess we should clarify that this is not about "a known piece by a known composer where people do not know the connection" - but "a known piece but an unknown composer".
Question: Is this piece known outside of Denmark? Champagne Galop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYO8hGm8UZU). If so I think it would qualify.
Quote from: Martinus on October 20, 2015, 10:00:35 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 19, 2015, 04:34:42 PM
Grieg is another who is not a contender because the Nc variable is too high.
Yeah, I thought so too.
I guess we should clarify that this is not about "a known piece by a known composer where people do not know the connection" - but "a known piece but an unknown composer".
If the composer is unknown then the ratio is undefined.
I don't think there is a single composer whose name is not known by at least one person - so you are always at least dividing by 1.
Quote from: Martinus on October 20, 2015, 11:44:53 AM
I don't think there is a single composer whose name is not known by at least one person - so you are always at least dividing by 1.
An interesting claim. Let me just delete all my traditional music.