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Title: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2015, 01:31:16 AM
What a nightmare!  :wacko:

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/08/18/infestation-of-opossums-kills-17-babies-in-venezuelan-birth-ward/
QuoteInfestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward

Newly-minted parents at Venezuela's Dr. Luis Razetti Hospital in Anzoátegui are denouncing its maternity ward for killing 17 babies in a week, the victims of sanitation so poor the ward is overtly inhabited by a swarm of opossums.

Parents say that ten babies were found dead between Saturday and Sunday morning, with another seven dying between Monday and Friday of the week before. All the parents were told their children died from a "bacterial infection"; most of the victims were premature, having been on average seven months into their gestation.

The ninth floor of the hospital, Venezuelan newspapers report, is currently suffering a major infestation of opossums, who appear to be spreading dangerous bacteria throughout the ward. One mother noted that the bathrooms on the ninth floor are out of service, and pregnant women and women who have recently given birth are forced to walk to the fifth floor to use the bathroom.

El Universal, the nation's largest newspaper, reports that deaths of newborns at the hospital are common. One set of parents told the newspaper that their child had died on a Thursday, but they were not told until Friday. Others who have used the hospital's services tell El Universal that the situation resembles that of a year ago, when 15 newborns died of an infection and became a rallying cry for the opposition against the socialist government's recurring inability to provide adequate medical care.

The source of these infections seem to be opossums, who roam the hospital ward freely. One relative of a dead newborn told El Tiempo that, upon challenging hospital officials regarding the opossums, she was told "the appearance of possums is something normal in the hospital; there is an invasion of this type of rodent, but there is no cause for alarm."

The report in El Universal finds that the reason opossums are so common, says one employee at the hospital, is that sanitation employees have run out of cleaning liquids and necessary maintenance items, leaving them impotent in the face of the filth consuming the hospital.

Earlier on Tuesday, El Tiempo reported that the Anzoátegui state government's Legislative Council will be investigating the deaths. The latest report indicates that up to 50 newborns have died in the hospital in the past month, all of a similar infection.

Venezuela's medical situation is dire, and has been dire for years. Doctors warned in 2013, during the tenure of dictator Hugo Chávez, that nearly every kind of necessary medical supply was running out, from needles to bandages to drugs. By the next year, doctors were reporting a surge in the number of amputations at hospitals, as those injured began developing infections that doctors did not have sufficient antibiotics to suppress, and thus resorted to removing limbs.

At the time, reports indicated that 70 percent of Venezuelan pharmacies were struggling to keep stocked with basic drugs; in Caracas, the capital, that number was slightly less, 60 percent. The Venezuelan government, which controls all medical care in the country, at the time owed $4 billion to drug companies and had no way of paying the debt back, leaving pharmacies understocked.

Venezuela relies heavily on the Cuban "slave doctor" trade for its medical care, outsourcing medical jobs to doctors who are paid a meager living stipend to work long hours in Venezuelan hospitals. Even this aspect of the Venezuelan medical system is collapsing, as dozens of Cuban doctors use their assignments in Venezuela as launching pads to defect to the United States, leaving Venezuela with a shortage of doctors.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 07, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
So Cuba has so many doctors they ship some off to Venezuela?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Martinus on September 07, 2015, 04:28:26 AM
I'm glad the Hashem is innovating with His/Her plagues. Locust is soooo 13th century BC.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Martinus on September 07, 2015, 04:29:18 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 07, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
So Cuba has so many doctors they ship some off to Venezuela?  :hmm:

Unless these weren't doctors, but opossums standing on each other's shoulders and wearing a trench coat.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Norgy on September 07, 2015, 05:04:28 AM
This must be one of the more strange headlines of 2015.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on September 07, 2015, 05:22:15 AM
these opossums are enemies of the revolution and were sent by the CIA.

:cry:for the babies though
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Norgy on September 07, 2015, 05:25:36 AM
Will 'possums now replace the much maligned dingo in "ate your baby" statements?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: The Larch on September 07, 2015, 08:42:45 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 07, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
So Cuba has so many doctors they ship some off to Venezuela?  :hmm:

It's part of the original deal between Castro and Chávez. Venezuela sends cheap oil to Cuba and Cuba sends sanitary personnel to Venezuela.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Berkut on September 07, 2015, 09:34:42 AM
Shit like this is just plain depressing to me.

I consider myself something of a humanist, who actually believes that the human condition, overall, is pretty consistently improving over time.

Hearing about stuff like this, or any news out of the Middle East at all for that matter, just sucks. Not because it refutes that "faith" I have that humans are overall doing it better, but because it is so depressingly pointless and unnecessary - it does not have to be like this in these places, and it is 100% the result of terrible and self destructive choices that people make and then cannot or will not turn back from.

What a waste.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Brazen on September 07, 2015, 09:38:53 AM
"Newly-minted" is an odd turn of phrase. Does the writer mean they are new parents or that they are newly rich?
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: grumbler on September 07, 2015, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: Norgy on September 07, 2015, 05:25:36 AM
Will 'possums now replace the much maligned dingo in "ate your baby" statements?  :hmm:

Impossumable.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Martinus on September 07, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
I think medical profession everywhere should take a firm stand and say "no opossumus" to further opossum-related deaths.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 07, 2015, 11:30:13 AM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 07, 2015, 01:36:22 AM
So Cuba has so many doctors they ship some off to Venezuela?  :hmm:

They've also sent some to Brazil.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: dps on September 07, 2015, 03:14:54 PM
There are some countries so poor that you can kind of see that their hospitals might not be able to afford to maintain decent standards of sanitation.  Venezuela ain't one of those countries.

Of course, since it then follows that if this isn't a financing problem, but rather a don'tgiveashititis problem, it could happen anywhere, even in First World countries.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
Shame on me for not looking at at the source first. <_<
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
Shame on me for not looking at at the source first. <_<
Google it, the BBC days the same.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: The Larch on September 07, 2015, 05:23:48 PM
Quote from: dps on September 07, 2015, 03:14:54 PM
There are some countries so poor that you can kind of see that their hospitals might not be able to afford to maintain decent standards of sanitation.  Venezuela ain't one of those countries.

Of course, since it then follows that if this isn't a financing problem, but rather a don'tgiveashititis problem, it could happen anywhere, even in First World countries.

Venezuela is hugely affected by low oil prices, when it gets too low their entire economy goes down the drain. So I wouldn't necessarily chalk it down to don'tgiveashititis.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
Shame on me for not looking at at the source first. <_<
Google it, the BBC days the same.

Actually the story they present it a bit different.  The version you posted is the one that get tossed around right wing websites.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Admiral Yi on September 07, 2015, 05:29:55 PM
Please feel free to correct any errors Raz.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 07, 2015, 06:30:08 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
Shame on me for not looking at at the source first. <_<

I'm surprised you didn't read it there first.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 07:21:23 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 07, 2015, 05:29:55 PM
Please feel free to correct any errors Raz.

I can not, I can only point out the parts that are not in more reputable sources.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Valmy on September 08, 2015, 07:52:25 AM
Quote from: Berkut on September 07, 2015, 09:34:42 AM
Shit like this is just plain depressing to me.

Yeah. It is pretty terrible what is happening in Venezuela. I mean we both knew this was coming but I hate seeing it.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: DontSayBanana on September 08, 2015, 11:13:15 AM
Quote from: Valmy on September 08, 2015, 07:52:25 AM
Yeah. It is pretty terrible what is happening in Venezuela. I mean we both knew this was coming but I hate seeing it.

Venezuela, Russia, North Korea... when a government makes that much of an effort to blame others for its domestic problems, chances are, it's trying to sweep even bigger domestic problems under the carpet.

Kudos to Cuba and Iran for chilling out with the rhetoric to actually make attempts to improve things for their citizens.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Barrister on September 08, 2015, 11:37:28 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on September 07, 2015, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 07, 2015, 04:31:48 PM
Shame on me for not looking at at the source first. <_<
Google it, the BBC days the same.

Actually the story they present it a bit different.  The version you posted is the one that get tossed around right wing websites.

I don't see any major differences:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33997703

In any event, both are just re-reporting what has appeared in Venezuelan newspapers.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Razgovory on September 08, 2015, 03:14:54 PM
I see differences!  For instance no all agree that germs come from the Possums.  As a public service I'll post the Brietbart article and take out the parts that aren't supported in the BBC article.  This seems fair since Brietbart is known to fabricate evidence for political purposes.

QuoteNewly-minted parents at Venezuela's Dr. Luis Razetti Hospital in Anzoátegui are denouncing its maternity ward for killing 17 babies in a week, the victims of sanitation so poor the ward is overtly inhabited by a swarm of opossums.

Parents say that ten babies were found dead between Saturday and Sunday morning, with another seven dying between Monday and Friday of the week before. All the
parents were told their children died from a "bacterial infection"; most of the victims were premature, having been on average seven months into their gestation.

The ninth floor of the hospital, Venezuelan newspapers report, is currently suffering a major infestation of opossums, who appear to be spreading dangerous bacteria throughout the ward. One mother noted that the bathrooms on the ninth floor are out of service, and pregnant women and women who have recently given birth are forced to walk to the fifth floor to use the bathroom.

El Universal, the nation's largest newspaper, reports that deaths of newborns at the hospital are common. One set of parents told the newspaper that their child had died on a Thursday, but they were not told until Friday. Others who have used the hospital's services tell El Universal that the situation resembles that of a year ago, when 15 newborns died of an infection and became a rallying cry for the opposition against the socialist government's recurring inability to provide adequate medical care.

The source of these infections seem to be opossums, who roam the hospital ward freely. One relative of a dead newborn told El Tiempo that, upon challenging hospital officials regarding the opossums, she was told "the appearance of possums is something normal in the hospital; there is an invasion of this type of rodent, but there is no cause for alarm."

The report in El Universal finds that the reason opossums are so common, says one employee at the hospital, is that sanitation employees have run out of cleaning liquids and necessary maintenance items, leaving them impotent in the face of the filth consuming the hospital.

Earlier on Tuesday, El Tiempo reported that the Anzoátegui state government's Legislative Council will be investigating the deaths. The latest report indicates that up to 50 newborns have died in the hospital in the past month, all of a similar infection.


Venezuela's medical situation is dire, and has been dire for years. Doctors warned in 2013, during the tenure of dictator Hugo Chávez, that nearly every kind of necessary medical supply was running out, from needles to bandages to drugs. By the next year, doctors were reporting a surge in the number of amputations at hospitals, as those injured began developing infections that doctors did not have sufficient antibiotics to suppress, and thus resorted to removing limbs.

At the time, reports indicated that 70 percent of Venezuelan pharmacies were struggling to keep stocked with basic drugs; in Caracas, the capital, that number was slightly less, 60 percent. The Venezuelan government, which controls all medical care in the country, at the time owed $4 billion to drug companies and had no way of paying the debt back, leaving pharmacies understocked.

Venezuela relies heavily on the Cuban "slave doctor" trade for its medical care, outsourcing medical jobs to doctors who are paid a meager living stipend to work long hours in Venezuelan hospitals. Even this aspect of the Venezuelan medical system is collapsing, as dozens of Cuban doctors use their assignments in Venezuela as launching pads to defect to the United States, leaving Venezuela with a shortage of doctors.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: The Brain on September 08, 2015, 03:34:18 PM
You are the hero this world needs.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Eddie Teach on September 08, 2015, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 08, 2015, 03:14:54 PM


Parents say that ten babies were found dead between Saturday and Sunday morning


QuoteEl Norte, another Barcelona newspaper, said that 10 babies had died in only one night.
Title: Re: Infestation of Opossums Kills 17 Babies in Venezuelan Birth Ward
Post by: Razgovory on September 08, 2015, 03:57:38 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 08, 2015, 03:47:43 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on September 08, 2015, 03:14:54 PM


Parents say that ten babies were found dead between Saturday and Sunday morning


QuoteEl Norte, another Barcelona newspaper, said that 10 babies had died in only one night.

Could have died in the afternoon.