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Title: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Syt on August 13, 2015, 07:40:26 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/12/humans-have-already-used-up-2015s-supply-of-earths-resources-analysis

QuoteHumans have already used up 2015's supply of Earth's resources – analysis

Earth 'overshoot day' – the day each year when our demands on the planet outstrip its ability to regenerate – comes six days earlier than 2014, with world's population currently consuming the equivalent of 1.6 planets a year

Humans have exhausted a year's supply of natural resources in less than eight months, according to an analysis of the demands the world's population are placing on the planet.

The Earth's "overshoot day" for 2015, the point at which humanity goes into ecological debt, will occur on Thursday six days earlier than last year, based on an estimate by the Global Footprint Network (GFN).

The date is based on a comparison of humanity's demands – in terms of carbon emissions, cropland, fish stocks, and the use of forests for timber – with the planet's ability to regenerate such resources and naturally absorb the carbon emitted. That implies the excess demands being placed on natural systems are doing more permanent harm that cannot be easily undone.

The GFN estimates that human consumption first began to exceed the Earth's capacity in the early 1970s and the overshoot day has been falling steadily earlier ever since, due to the growth in the global population alongside the expansion of consumption around the world.

Mathis Wackernagel, president of the GFN told the Guardian: "The big problem is not that our deficit is getting bigger, it is that it cannot be maintained in the long-run. Even though we are in a deficit equation we are not taking measures to take us in the right direction. The problem is psychological – somehow we are missing this basic physical law. It is obvious to children, but for 98% of economic planners it is a minor risk not worth our attention. In the end the question is – does it matter to the government?"

The GFN estimate that the world's population currently consumes the equivalent of 1.6 planets. This figure should rise to two planets by 2030 based on current trends. On a per capita basis, the UK consumes around three times more than the equivalent level that ecosystems can renew, but its relative share is dropping as developing economies grow and consume more.

The impact of this "ecological deficit" can be witnessed through deforestation, soil erosion, depletion of water resources and the accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

Wackernagel added that the UN's crunch international climate change conference in Paris in December and global diplomatic efforts were providing hope for change.

"The conference in December is sparking conversations and we are seeing unheard of agreements between the US and China," he said.

"The two biggest emitters are starting to co-operate and the G20 leaders have recognised we have to move out of fossil fuels by the end of this century – although this is a bit too slow in my opinion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_Debt_Day

Year   Overshoot Date
1987   December 19
1990   December 7
1995   November 21
2000   November 1
2005   October 20
2007   October 26
2008   September 23
2009   September 25
2010   August 21
2011   September 27[1]
2012   August 22
2013   August 20
2014   August 19
2015   August 13
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 07:42:04 AM
Renewable energy. 3-D printing food. That will take care of it. SCIENCE!
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Zanza on August 13, 2015, 07:49:02 AM
I will not rest until we use one planet per day.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Savonarola on August 13, 2015, 07:51:19 AM
Quote from: Zanza on August 13, 2015, 07:49:02 AM
I will not rest until we use one planet per day.

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Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
So like where are we getting our resources now that they've been exhausted for the year?
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
So like where are we getting our resources now that they've been exhausted for the year?

From next year. Duh.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: frunk on August 13, 2015, 08:57:02 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
So like where are we getting our resources now that they've been exhausted for the year?

There's currently Y resources in the world.  Each year X new resources are generated.  We are using up more than X, which means Y is going down.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 09:04:59 AM
So they have a way of knowing exactly how much resources we have?  They must be awfully smart!
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: frunk on August 13, 2015, 09:07:45 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 09:04:59 AM
So they have a way of knowing exactly how much resources we have?  They must be awfully smart!

Yeah, well, putting an exact date on it is pretty dumb except from a publicity perspective.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Wouldn't the amount of resources change every year?  More efficient technology and logistics would cut waste and thus require less resources.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: KRonn on August 13, 2015, 09:46:00 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
So like where are we getting our resources now that they've been exhausted for the year?

Borrowing from China.    ;)
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: lustindarkness on August 13, 2015, 09:49:25 AM
Since the Earth is overpopulated, totally polluted and the natural resources have been exhausted we should invest in this company that makes a food consisting of plankton from the oceans, they are called Soylent Industries. :yes:
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: dps on August 13, 2015, 09:58:55 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 08:46:08 AM
Quote from: derspiess on August 13, 2015, 08:29:28 AM
So like where are we getting our resources now that they've been exhausted for the year?

From next year. Duh.

Cool.  Time travel FTW!
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: frunk on August 13, 2015, 09:59:53 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Wouldn't the amount of resources change every year?  More efficient technology and logistics would cut waste and thus require less resources.

Total amount used is still going up though, even with greater efficiencies, as population increases and individual demands for material goods increase.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 10:02:37 AM
Quote from: frunk on August 13, 2015, 09:59:53 AM
Total amount used is still going up though, even with greater efficiencies, as population increases and individual demands for material goods increase.

I don't think so. Technology can not solve everything but this is one problem I think it is uniquely suited for. There is no other road to comfortable human existence with the planet that I can see.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: frunk on August 13, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 10:02:37 AM
I don't think so. Technology can not solve everything but this is one problem I think it is uniquely suited for. There is no other road to comfortable human existence with the planet that I can see.

It theoretically can solve this, I'm just saying it isn't right now.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: lustindarkness on August 13, 2015, 10:13:57 AM
Nukes from orbit would lower the population.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 13, 2015, 10:54:25 AM
Or a biological agent which causes infertility being placed in the water of third world countries. I heard the CIA is already testing this in Pakistan.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: celedhring on August 13, 2015, 11:00:01 AM
How come Malthus hasn't posted in this thread yet?  :hmm:
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: The Brain on August 13, 2015, 12:28:51 PM
QuoteThe problem is psychological

Thank God. We'll walk it off.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
Quote from: frunk on August 13, 2015, 10:06:07 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 10:02:37 AM
I don't think so. Technology can not solve everything but this is one problem I think it is uniquely suited for. There is no other road to comfortable human existence with the planet that I can see.

It theoretically can solve this, I'm just saying it isn't right now.

How can you tell?  Technology has changed quite a bit since 1989.  I mean computers are almost twice as fast!
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: frunk on August 13, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
How can you tell?  Technology has changed quite a bit since 1989.  I mean computers are almost twice as fast!

Globally we use more oil, gas, coal, wood and many other resources than we did in 1989.  Even if we are more efficient in our usage we are using a lot more of all of them around the world.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 13, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

Estimate the amount of energy each provides at current tech levels, then how much energy is used.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:17:29 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 13, 2015, 11:10:31 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

Estimate the amount of energy each provides at current tech levels, then how much energy is used.

What about fish and crops?
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Admiral Yi on August 13, 2015, 11:52:23 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

They're only looking at renewable resources, like fish and trees.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Siege on August 14, 2015, 01:12:38 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 07:42:04 AM
Renewable energy. 3-D printing food. That will take care of it. SCIENCE!

This!

Luddites deserve the rope.
Condemning all the rest of us to scarcity.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Siege on August 14, 2015, 01:19:30 AM
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Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Eddie Teach on August 14, 2015, 01:20:54 AM
Quote from: Siege on August 14, 2015, 01:12:38 AM
Luddites deserve the rope.
Condemning all the rest of us to scarcity.

How are they doing that? By pointing out that we may be doing the same to our grandchildren?
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Razgovory on August 14, 2015, 09:51:35 AM
Quote from: frunk on August 13, 2015, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on August 13, 2015, 10:24:22 PM
How can you tell?  Technology has changed quite a bit since 1989.  I mean computers are almost twice as fast!

Globally we use more oil, gas, coal, wood and many other resources than we did in 1989.  Even if we are more efficient in our usage we are using a lot more of all of them around the world.

Oil, gas, and coal don't come back for millions of years so I don't think those are added.  Or if they are it doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: Valmy on August 14, 2015, 01:04:51 PM
Quote from: Siege on August 14, 2015, 01:12:38 AM
Quote from: Valmy on August 13, 2015, 07:42:04 AM
Renewable energy. 3-D printing food. That will take care of it. SCIENCE!

This!

Luddites deserve the rope.
Condemning all the rest of us to scarcity.


I think 3D printing of food will be the greatest health and environmental development of this century. I typically go here: http://3dprinting.com/food/ to read about it.
Title: Re: Happy World Overshoot Day!
Post by: The Minsky Moment on August 14, 2015, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on August 13, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
I don't understand.  There are so many different types of resources.  Timber, oil, coal, fish, you name it.  I don't see how a single number can represent them all.  In this decade we use lots of oil but less coal.  In the next decade we switch to uranium.  How can that number reflect these changes?

It's a PR exercise.
Not to say there is no underlying problem.