Thinking of replacing my current computer.
Current specifications:
Intel I7 2600k CPU
16GB Ram
Asus Intel P8Z68 V LE motherboard
Super Flower Golden Green 850W power supply
Windows 7
500GB SSD + 6TB internal hardrive
GTX 970
I want to play games like Fallout 4 and the Total War series on the new computer with maximum graphics. I also watch tons of anime in 1080p and have like 3-4 external HDDs, a number which is expected to increase steadily. I do tons of file copying operations, and I think the current computer is too slow on that front. Also prefer the computer to be somewhat quiet. Budget is US$4,000, though my preference is to spend less than that if possible. Will not consider Macs.
I will drag the computer to a shop, and ask them to break it up. I'll salvage whatever component I can, and replace the ones that need replacing. I want to retain these:
SSD, HDD, powersupply, CPU cooler, CD drive. Can I keep the video card and RAM as well? I just bought the GTX 970 not too long ago and I am not keen to replace it, unless there are good reasons to do so.
I will replace the CPU for sure. Is i7-5820k good enough? :unsure: Should I go for i7-5930k? Do I need a new motherboard as well? If so, which one should I ask for? I have heard there is a limit on the number of external HDDs that I can have? What if I want to have more?
I'll buy a new case too, because there is only 1 USB 3.0 slot in my existing one. I want all the USB slots to be 3.0 ones.
Anything I can do to make the computer more quiet, faster, better etc?
Quote from: Monoriu on June 17, 2015, 10:02:57 PM
Thinking of replacing my current computer.
Current specifications:
Intel I7 2600k CPU
16GB Ram
Asus Intel P8Z68 V LE motherboard
Super Flower Golden Green 850W power supply
Windows 7
500GB SSD + 6TB internal hardrive
GTX 970
I want to play games like Fallout 4 and the Total War series on the new computer with maximum graphics. I also watch tons of anime in 1080p and have like 3-4 external HDDs, a number which is expected to increase steadily. I do tons of file copying operations, and I think the current computer is too slow on that front. Also prefer the computer to be somewhat quiet. Budget is US$4,000, though my preference is to spend less than that if possible. Will not consider Macs.
I will drag the computer to a shop, and ask them to break it up. I'll salvage whatever component I can, and replace the ones that need replacing. I want to retain these:
SSD, HDD, powersupply, CPU cooler, CD drive. Can I keep the video card and RAM as well? I just bought the GTX 970 not too long ago and I am not keen to replace it, unless there are good reasons to do so.
I will replace the CPU for sure. Is i7-5820k good enough? :unsure: Should I go for i7-5930k? Do I need a new motherboard as well? If so, which one should I ask for? I have heard there is a limit on the number of external HDDs that I can have? What if I want to have more?
I'll buy a new case too, because there is only 1 USB 3.0 slot in my existing one. I want all the USB slots to be 3.0 ones.
Anything I can do to make the computer more quiet, faster, better etc?
The i7 5820k will be good enough, but it really depends on the prices of the CPUs. If it's 25$ more for other, go with the bigger one. If it's 100$ more, stick with the 5820k. I'm afraid I have no idea about HK prices.
For the motherboard, I'd go with
either Asus Maximus VII Hero or Asus Sabertooth Z97 Mark 2. Both of them have 6 Sata ports, and you could use them to replace some of your slow external HDDs by faster internal storage. There are affordable 6TB drives now, like Western Digital Red series.Ok, next gen CPU. I'd recommend the Asus Sabertooth X99 or the Gigabyte GA-X99M-Gaming 5 if you think the first one costs too much. It has less USB 3.0 ports, though.
Keep your video card if you want to keep your budget down, it is a pretty good card, but of course, if you have 1000$ to spend, you can get better, like a Geforce Titan X. But you did specify a budget limit, so keep the 970, you won't have any problems with the games you mentionned.
SSD: SanDisk Extreme PRO 480GB or Samsung 850 Pro 512gb.
HDD: Western Digital Black 4tb (WD4003FZEX) for primary storage. This is where all software will be installed by default. You will then use a simple free tool like Steam Mover to move your games from the HDD to the SSD, back&forth, when you play them (move the ones you play to the SSD, then move it back to the HDD and move the new ones to your SSD, it is very easy, one button to click).
If you want to replace some of your slow USB drives, than buy additional hard drives like the WD Red 6tb (WD60EFRX). You have 4 Sata port free, one will be used for your DVD/Blu Ray player, so that's 3 ports left. Buy 3 if you need that much storage, buy less if you need less.
Blu Ray player: I'd tend to lean toward the "they're all equal", so just pick one.
Keep Windows 7, it will be upgraded to Windows 10 in July, if you chose so. It is free, btw ;)
RAM: I think all i7 had DDR3 (can anyone else confirm?), so I'd say keep it. You could increase it to 32gb, games are starting to be 64bit and use more ram.
To make the computer quieter, you will need to invest in some high quality CPU fans&cooler, maybe some new fan for your video card if you find it noisy and some low noise fans for a proper case.
Or go liquid cooling.
I'll be back later with that. Do you have a color preference for the case? Silver, black, white others?
Won't buy new SSD, HDD or CD drive. Will use my existing ones to save money.
Just asked the computer shop. i7 5820 is US$400. i7 5930 is US$600. They say I need to buy a new motherboard and RAM as well, because it is "four" not "three". Or something. How much RAM should I buy? 16? 24? 32? 64?
I already have liquid CPU cooler. Are they all the same? Is there any point to buy more expensive ones?
No preference on case colour. I don't even care about the colour of my car.
Can you mail me your old cpu & motherboard after?
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 18, 2015, 06:10:33 AM
Can you mail me your old cpu & motherboard after?
If you compensate me adequately for the shipping and psychological damage, yes :contract:
10¢ on the 1$.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 17, 2015, 11:30:47 PM
Just asked the computer shop. i7 5820 is US$400. i7 5930 is US$600. They say I need to buy a new motherboard and RAM as well, because it is "four" not "three". Or something. How much RAM should I buy? 16? 24? 32? 64?
Ok, DDR4 for this one, got it.
Hmm, I would go for 24gb, kinda future proof, but it may costly. If you overstep your budget, stick with 16, it'll be enough for the next 2 years.
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I already have liquid CPU cooler. Are they all the same? Is there any point to buy more expensive ones?
They are not the same quality wise, but it depends on two things:
1) Will it fit on your new CPU?
2) Does it satisfy you or do you need something even less noisy?
For #1, it will likely require different screws, do you still have the box? If not, it might not work. Or it might, maybe your computer shop has the required parts. I'd say only them could tell you. And I don't know enough about liquid cooling to suggest something.
For #2, that is entirely up to you. If you like it and it fits with your new CPU, keep it. If you think it makes too much noise or does not cool enough for you to overclock your CPU, then change it.
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And I made a mistake for the motherboards suggestions, this is a new generation of Intel CPU, I'll have to update this. (ok, i've updated my first message).
Power supply (yes, you need to change that shitty ps of yours!):
OCZ OCZ-ZT750W
If you intend to buy a 2nd video card (SLI), than you might want to push it to 800-850w. Either way, it will be better and quieter.
Case:
Thermaltake Core V71 for a basic case or NZXT Phantom for something fancier. Both seem to offer lots of space for internal drives.
Personally, I'd take the Silverstone FT04S-W ("S" is for Silver, if it was black it would be "B"). I like the design, it's easy to switch internal drives in that.
If you want to stick with your slow and pricey external USB drives, than I would suggest a USB 3.0 hub. You'll always be limited by the number of USB 3.0/3.1 ports on your computer, so a hub would come in handy, if you want all your drives plugged at once.
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
Power supply (yes, you need to change that shitty ps of yours!):
OCZ OCZ-ZT750W
If you intend to buy a 2nd video card (SLI), than you might want to push it to 800-850w. Either way, it will be better and quieter.
Case:
Thermaltake Core V71 for a basic case or NZXT Phantom for something fancier. Both seem to offer lots of space for internal drives.
Personally, I'd take the Silverstone FT04S-W ("S" is for Silver, if it was black it would be "B"). I like the design, it's easy to switch internal drives in that.
If you want to stick with your slow and pricey external USB drives, than I would suggest a USB 3.0 hub. You'll always be limited by the number of USB 3.0/3.1 ports on your computer, so a hub would come in handy, if you want all your drives plugged at once.
What is so shitty about my powersupply? It is already 850w. :unsure:
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 10:18:27 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 09:04:43 AM
Power supply (yes, you need to change that shitty ps of yours!):
OCZ OCZ-ZT750W
If you intend to buy a 2nd video card (SLI), than you might want to push it to 800-850w. Either way, it will be better and quieter.
Case:
Thermaltake Core V71 for a basic case or NZXT Phantom for something fancier. Both seem to offer lots of space for internal drives.
Personally, I'd take the Silverstone FT04S-W ("S" is for Silver, if it was black it would be "B"). I like the design, it's easy to switch internal drives in that.
If you want to stick with your slow and pricey external USB drives, than I would suggest a USB 3.0 hub. You'll always be limited by the number of USB 3.0/3.1 ports on your computer, so a hub would come in handy, if you want all your drives plugged at once.
What is so shitty about my powersupply? It is already 850w. :unsure:
It's not fully modular, it's most likely noisy, since you ask about reducing noise of your computer, and you need 850w to make the job a 650 would do because it can't deliver constant power on the 12v rail.
Buy a certified PS, way quieter than what you have, and save yourself trouble down the road.
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 03:38:42 PM
It's not fully modular, it's most likely noisy, since you ask about reducing noise of your computer, and you need 850w to make the job a 650 would do because it can't deliver constant power on the 12v rail.
Buy a certified PS, way quieter than what you have, and save yourself trouble down the road.
My problem is that I buy everything from a shop, so I am limited by what they offer. But I think you are right that their powersupply sucks, because in the past 4-5 years the powersupply went bust twice, and this is my third unit in this case.
I deliberately picked a 850w powersupply though, not because a 650w powersupply would not be enough.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 03:38:42 PM
It's not fully modular, it's most likely noisy, since you ask about reducing noise of your computer, and you need 850w to make the job a 650 would do because it can't deliver constant power on the 12v rail.
Buy a certified PS, way quieter than what you have, and save yourself trouble down the road.
My problem is that I buy everything from a shop, so I am limited by what they offer. But I think you are right that their powersupply sucks, because in the past 4-5 years the powersupply went bust twice, and this is my third unit in this case.
I deliberately picked a 850w powersupply though, not because a 650w powersupply would not be enough.
750w with what I proposed you is enough for your needs. You have tons of USB drives, but these have their own power supply.
I know you buy from a local shop, but they should be able to order it for you. If not, I can recommend other brands too. The basics is you need a certified power supply, look for stuff identified as 80+ Bronze. Then look for big company names like Antec, Silverstone, Thermaltake. If they can't find what I'm suggesting, ask them the brands they carry, and I'll find you something decent. Tell them you don't care about price, only performance and low noise level. You'd be my dream customer if I had a computer shop :P
Ok, so a quick summary as a starting point of further discussion.
Buy CPU i7-5930 i7-5820
Buy motherboard Asus Sabertooth X99
Buy RAM 32GB
Keep 500GB SSD
Keep 2TB + 6TB internal drives
Buy additional 6TB internal drive (or larger)
Buy 800W powersupply
Keep CD drive
Keep GTX 970 videocard
Buy new case
Ask questions about CPU cooler
Would prefer to do this after the launch of Windows 10 so that somebody will do the upgrade for me. I have zero confidence in myself in updating Windows. I have a tendency to screw up where nobody else will screw up :blush:
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 09:13:47 PM
Ok, so a quick summary as a starting point of further discussion.
Buy CPU i7-5930
5820 is enough. You won't get near 200$ worth in speed increase. Save that money for something else.
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Buy RAM 32GB
24gb DDR4 would be sufficient for now. It's unlikely you'll need more than that during the lifetime of your computer (you change every 3 years at most, IIRC?).
QuoteBuy additional 6TB internal drive (or larger)
I don't think you can buy larger for a decent price at the moment. There's Seagate making one at 300$US, but I'm unsure of it's general availability. Aside that, you get helium drives at 1000$.
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Buy 800W powersupply
750w-800w. The model I recommended was 750w.
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Keep CD drive
yeah, no need to change that if you are satisfied with what you have.
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Would prefer to do this after the launch of Windows 10 so that somebody will do the upgrade for me. I have zero confidence in myself in updating Windows. I have a tendency to screw up where nobody else will screw up :blush:
Windows 10 will be upgraded via the internet (Windows Update) like any other regular update, should you chose to accept your mission, but it won't self destruct after ;)
Windows 7 might wine about the hardware change, given you recently changed your video card.
If that is the case, simply use the phone number they give you to re-activate it. When they ask "how many computer is windows installed on", tell them the truth: 1.
After that, just do your regulard updates.
I have checked the score at the cpubenchmark site. The score difference between 5930 and 5820 is indeed very marginal. I will buy 5820 then.
I have 16GB of RAM now. I usually at least double my RAM every time I buy a new desktop. I will ask about the price difference before I decide, but I am inclined to go for 32GB for now.
Should I bother to upgrade the video card? Is it worth replacing the GTX 970 with Titan X? I hesitate to do so because I have not bought the 970 for too long. It should be sufficient for now, and the Titan X is probably quite expensive. On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
Why go for the 99-series chipsets? The Z97 ones are more than adequate.
The Titan X is incredibly expensive. The new GTX 980 Ti is a Titan at a lower price.
I'd SLI the fuck out of the 970, your case and airflow permitting.
Quote from: Norgy on June 19, 2015, 04:01:36 AM
Why go for the 99-series chipsets? The Z97 ones are more than adequate.
The Titan X is incredibly expensive. The new GTX 980 Ti is a Titan at a lower price.
I'd SLI the fuck out of the 970, your case and airflow permitting.
The shop says the Z97 motherboards are not compatible with the 5820/5930 CPUs. They say it is a new generation of CPUs that require a new generation of motherboards.
What is SLI? :unsure:
Indeed that is true, but you can get cheaper CPUs for the Z97 chipsets offering some overclocking headroom with a liquid cooler and more than decent gaming performance.
SLI basically is using two identical cards.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/technology
3D performance is much improved in many games, and SLI profiles are added to Nvidia Experience.
Quote from: Norgy on June 19, 2015, 04:53:27 AM
Indeed that is true, but you can get cheaper CPUs for the Z97 chipsets offering some overclocking headroom with a liquid cooler and more than decent gaming performance.
SLI basically is using two identical cards.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/sli/technology
3D performance is much improved in many games, and SLI profiles are added to Nvidia Experience.
Well, I am a computer idiot. Things are overclocking, SLI,
switching on the computer are too complicated for me. I really don't want to upgrade the computer constantly, and I hate dragging the computer to the shop. It is too heavy for me. Last time I broke the computer when I tried to change the video card. Yeah, I am capable of breaking things that few others are capable of breaking. So my strategy is to upgrade to the next generation of CPU so that I don't need to do it again in the near future. Hopefully.
Currently leaning toward buying a 980 ti to replace the 970. Thinking of cutting costs elsewhere, like buying less RAM. Or I'll be cheap and keep the current powersupply.
Power supplies are not a good place to cut costs. :pope: :uffda: :contract:
Quote from: Norgy on June 19, 2015, 05:10:05 AM
Power supplies are not a good place to cut costs. :pope: :uffda: :contract:
Considering that my computer broke down twice in the previous 4-5 years due to the power supply, I think you are probably right. Still, I will need to convince myself why I need to replace a perfectly functioning 850w power supply that has yet to show any sign of trouble... :hmm:
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
I don't understand this. I have a HTPC at home, it has no video card, only the basic Intel video of the CPU, yet, I can see and watch movies/videos in 1080p with no problem. How is it not ideal, what is the problem, what is the software you use to play your video files?
Upgrading your video card to a bigger one would mean better performances in 4k video games. I doubt it will make differences for single 1080p monitor gaming. It would make a difference on multi-monitor or 4k video gaming. And for a 970, it shouldn't make any differences for 1080p movie watching.
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
I don't understand this. I have a HTPC at home, it has no video card, only the basic Intel video of the CPU, yet, I can see and watch movies/videos in 1080p with no problem. How is it not ideal, what is the problem, what is the software you use to play your video files?
VLC player. If I start from the beginning, there is no problem. But if I want to watch a specific scene somewhere toward the end, for example, there is a very long wait. Sometimes it crashes.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 05:52:32 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 19, 2015, 05:10:05 AM
Power supplies are not a good place to cut costs. :pope: :uffda: :contract:
Considering that my computer broke down twice in the previous 4-5 years due to the power supply, I think you are probably right. Still, I will need to convince myself why I need to replace a perfectly functioning 850w power supply that has yet to show any sign of trouble... :hmm:
Easy. It is time&money saved down the road. Each time the computer breaks, it costs you money and time. You have to carry it over the computer shop, they need to fix the problem, you need to go back there and pick it up. Time wasted when you could spend it watching anime :D
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
I don't understand this. I have a HTPC at home, it has no video card, only the basic Intel video of the CPU, yet, I can see and watch movies/videos in 1080p with no problem. How is it not ideal, what is the problem, what is the software you use to play your video files?
VLC player. If I start from the beginning, there is no problem. But if I want to watch a specific scene somewhere toward the end, for example, there is a very long wait. Sometimes it crashes.
Do you think you could upload one the problematic file to a file sharing service, say, like www.rapidgator.net? I would like to try it on my own computer.
Did your problem lessen when you upgraded your video card? I mean, where there files you were unable to play before and could now play with the 970?
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:32:03 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 05:52:32 AM
Quote from: Norgy on June 19, 2015, 05:10:05 AM
Power supplies are not a good place to cut costs. :pope: :uffda: :contract:
Considering that my computer broke down twice in the previous 4-5 years due to the power supply, I think you are probably right. Still, I will need to convince myself why I need to replace a perfectly functioning 850w power supply that has yet to show any sign of trouble... :hmm:
Easy. It is time&money saved down the road. Each time the computer breaks, it costs you money and time. You have to carry it over the computer shop, they need to fix the problem, you need to go back there and pick it up. Time wasted when you could spend it watching anime :D
Thing is I really am not sure what's wrong with the powersupply, other than you saying it is not good enough. I have done some searches, and some people say the brand is good. I am open toward the possibility of replacing it, but I need to convince myself first.
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
I don't understand this. I have a HTPC at home, it has no video card, only the basic Intel video of the CPU, yet, I can see and watch movies/videos in 1080p with no problem. How is it not ideal, what is the problem, what is the software you use to play your video files?
VLC player. If I start from the beginning, there is no problem. But if I want to watch a specific scene somewhere toward the end, for example, there is a very long wait. Sometimes it crashes.
Do you think you could upload one the problematic file to a file sharing service, say, like www.rapidgator.net? I would like to try it on my own computer.
Did your problem lessen when you upgraded your video card? I mean, where there files you were unable to play before and could now play with the 970?
Yes, the performance improved substantially when I upgraded to 970, that's why I believe further upgrading it will work. Site requires registration.
Edit: if you don't mind BT, these are some of the problematic files. I can play them, of course, but it is a bit slow.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=620864
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
I don't understand this. I have a HTPC at home, it has no video card, only the basic Intel video of the CPU, yet, I can see and watch movies/videos in 1080p with no problem. How is it not ideal, what is the problem, what is the software you use to play your video files?
VLC player. If I start from the beginning, there is no problem. But if I want to watch a specific scene somewhere toward the end, for example, there is a very long wait. Sometimes it crashes.
That doesn't sound like a video card problem - more like a hard drive problem.
One more thing to consider is that, for certain reasons, my computer is on 24 hours a day, 6 days a week :ph34r: That's one of the reasons the previous power supply died. I think. Not sure if this has any implications.
Good. Never turn that shit off.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 10:52:46 AM
One more thing to consider is that, for certain reasons, my computer is on 24 hours a day, 6 days a week :ph34r: That's one of the reasons the previous power supply died. I think. Not sure if this has any implications.
if you have a good power supply, it should not be a problem...
If you are going to be messing around with your computer, a good, modular power supply is important. It saves a lot of trouble.
But I'd also be interested in your type of case.
Not to mention the make of your GTX 970.
I've got two 980s running games. One is cool as a cucumber (MSI's "Gaming" version", while my EVGA Superclocked with the ACX 2.0 cooler runs hotter easily. Some difference is to be reckoned with for the top card (the EVGA) but the fans just run a lot more quiet on MSI's offering. Probably one of the best custom coolers I have had.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
Edit: if you don't mind BT, these are some of the problematic files. I can play them, of course, but it is a bit slow.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=620864
have you tried their instructions?
http://files.nyaa.se/HOW_DID_I_PLAYED_BACK.txt
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 10:57:04 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
Edit: if you don't mind BT, these are some of the problematic files. I can play them, of course, but it is a bit slow.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=620864
have you tried their instructions?
http://files.nyaa.se/HOW_DID_I_PLAYED_BACK.txt
No. But you see, these aren't official versions. They are made by fans. Different people have different ways of "ripping" the files. Some are better than the others. Therefore, some files will be perfectly fine, while others are more difficult. There isn't much I can do about that other than getting a powerful machine to brute force my way through.
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 07:58:57 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 03:38:42 PM
It's not fully modular, it's most likely noisy, since you ask about reducing noise of your computer, and you need 850w to make the job a 650 would do because it can't deliver constant power on the 12v rail.
Buy a certified PS, way quieter than what you have, and save yourself trouble down the road.
My problem is that I buy everything from a shop, so I am limited by what they offer. But I think you are right that their powersupply sucks, because in the past 4-5 years the powersupply went bust twice, and this is my third unit in this case.
I deliberately picked a 850w powersupply though, not because a 650w powersupply would not be enough.
750w with what I proposed you is enough for your needs. You have tons of USB drives, but these have their own power supply.
I know you buy from a local shop, but they should be able to order it for you. If not, I can recommend other brands too. The basics is you need a certified power supply, look for stuff identified as 80+ Bronze. Then look for big company names like Antec, Silverstone, Thermaltake. If they can't find what I'm suggesting, ask them the brands they carry, and I'll find you something decent. Tell them you don't care about price, only performance and low noise level. You'd be my dream customer if I had a computer shop :P
Ok, I dug up the receipt for the powersupply. The full description is
Super Flower Golden Green 850W 14CM Fan 80+ Gold Cable Management
I have no idea what that means, but I presume 80+ Gold is better than 80+ Bronze :P
Quote from: Norgy on June 19, 2015, 03:18:04 PM
If you are going to be messing around with your computer, a good, modular power supply is important. It saves a lot of trouble.
But I'd also be interested in your type of case.
Not to mention the make of your GTX 970.
I've got two 980s running games. One is cool as a cucumber (MSI's "Gaming" version", while my EVGA Superclocked with the ACX 2.0 cooler runs hotter easily. Some difference is to be reckoned with for the top card (the EVGA) but the fans just run a lot more quiet on MSI's offering. Probably one of the best custom coolers I have had.
The case is NZXT H2-001-WT ATX Classic Series. Whatever that means.
The 970 is made by someone that calls himself Inno3d.
I'll get a new case anyway. I need more USB 3.0 connections.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:34:01 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 08:31:25 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 18, 2015, 11:45:24 PM
On the other hand the 970 is not ideal for some of the 1080p anime files that I watch.
I don't understand this. I have a HTPC at home, it has no video card, only the basic Intel video of the CPU, yet, I can see and watch movies/videos in 1080p with no problem. How is it not ideal, what is the problem, what is the software you use to play your video files?
VLC player. If I start from the beginning, there is no problem. But if I want to watch a specific scene somewhere toward the end, for example, there is a very long wait. Sometimes it crashes.
Do you think you could upload one the problematic file to a file sharing service, say, like www.rapidgator.net? (http://www.rapidgator.net?) I would like to try it on my own computer.
Did your problem lessen when you upgraded your video card? I mean, where there files you were unable to play before and could now play with the 970?
Yes, the performance improved substantially when I upgraded to 970, that's why I believe further upgrading it will work. Site requires registration.
Edit: if you don't mind BT, these are some of the problematic files. I can play them, of course, but it is a bit slow.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=620864 (http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=620864)
I checked your link, and there's, like, 0 seeders... And on "stardom", it says 1 fan. Given you are a fan, I'm guessing you're the only one with it. So, you wouldn't have one I can quickly download, don't you? :P
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 11:21:54 PM
I checked your link, and there's, like, 0 seeders... And on "stardom", it says 1 fan. Given you are a fan, I'm guessing you're the only one with it. So, you wouldn't have one I can quickly download, don't you? :P
Guess why I need to keep the computer on 24 hours a day, 6 days a week? These things take time. Most seeds aren't available 24/7. You never know when they are available, and I won't be surprised if it takes weeks or months to finish BTing a series.
And no, that lone fan is definitely not me.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
Ok, I dug up the receipt for the powersupply. The full description is
Super Flower Golden Green 850W 14CM Fan 80+ Gold Cable Management
I have no idea what that means, but I presume 80+ Gold is better than 80+ Bronze :P
80+ Bronze, Silver and Gold refer the power saving efficiency. I don't know about electricity prices in HK. someone in the US made a comparative I read once, It takes about 15 years to get back on your investment at current US electricity prices.
So you buy this, not because it is quality, but because you have an hyper developped environmental conscience and you don't mind spending extra money on something with no utility but reducing power consumption by a tiny fragment, wich you believe will help the planet in the long run.
If you are that person, you are an impostor and please tells us what you did with the real Mono! :P
80+ Bronze is ok. Next to check is reputable brand name. Just looking at the web site tells me this company is not worth much, and you tell me you have had to change it 3 times before. A good power supply is one that reduces variability in voltage. It's advertised as 12v, but it's an average. If it delivers 10v and sometimes 14v, it's not good. If it delivers 11.9-12.1, it is good.
See some reviews here, there are other sites too:
http://bestgamingadvisor.com/best-power-supply-for-gaming-pc/
I'm done arguing with you, it's your computer and your time. You want to keep it, keep it. Next time you come here asking for solutions on your computer problem, i'm gonna tell you straight away "change that power supply". :)
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 11:21:54 PM
I checked your link, and there's, like, 0 seeders... And on "stardom", it says 1 fan. Given you are a fan, I'm guessing you're the only one with it. So, you wouldn't have one I can quickly download, don't you? :P
Guess why I need to keep the computer on 24 hours a day, 6 days a week? These things take time. Most seeds aren't available 24/7. You never know when they are available, and I won't be surprised if it takes weeks or months to finish BTing a series.
And no, that lone fan is definitely not me.
try to find a problematic one with lots of seeders please. I'm willing to help you, but you got to work with me. Or take one and upload it to Rapidgator like I said. At the speed of your net connection it won't take long. And I'll download it quick.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 11:11:30 PM
The 970 is made by someone that calls himself Inno3d.
This one?
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/inno3d-ichill-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970.html
It looks good to me :)
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I'll get a new case anyway. I need more USB 3.0 connections.
A new case means 2x USB 3.0 connections on the front/top panel. What goes behind is dependant on your board, how many USB 3.0 slots it has.
If you need more USB 3.0 slots, I recommend a USB 3.0 hub (http://www.amazon.ca/HT-UH010-Charging-Smartphone-VL812-B2-Firmware/dp/B00FR795WA?SubscriptionId=AKIAJM4NKIQGABP2PIRA&tag=thewire0f-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00FR795WA&ascsubtag=WC33373)
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 11:30:34 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
Ok, I dug up the receipt for the powersupply. The full description is
Super Flower Golden Green 850W 14CM Fan 80+ Gold Cable Management
I have no idea what that means, but I presume 80+ Gold is better than 80+ Bronze :P
80+ Bronze, Silver and Gold refer the power saving efficiency. I don't know about electricity prices in HK. someone in the US made a comparative I read once, It takes about 15 years to get back on your investment at current US electricity prices.
So you buy this, not because it is quality, but because you have an hyper developped environmental conscience and you don't mind spending extra money on something with no utility but reducing power consumption by a tiny fragment, wich you believe will help the planet in the long run.
If you are that person, you are an impostor and please tells us what you did with the real Mono! :P
80+ Bronze is ok. Next to check is reputable brand name. Just looking at the web site tells me this company is not worth much, and you tell me you have had to change it 3 times before. A good power supply is one that reduces variability in voltage. It's advertised as 12v, but it's an average. If it delivers 10v and sometimes 14v, it's not good. If it delivers 11.9-12.1, it is good.
See some reviews here, there are other sites too:
http://bestgamingadvisor.com/best-power-supply-for-gaming-pc/
I'm done arguing with you, it's your computer and your time. You want to keep it, keep it. Next time you come here asking for solutions on your computer problem, i'm gonna tell you straight away "change that power supply". :)
I appreciate your advice, of course :)
Actually, the powersupply that failed isn't the current one. The current one is the replacement of the ones that failed. The original one is XFX Pro850W Core Edition 850W 80+ B. You won't believe what happened. I just bought the new computer. Wife put a bunch of wet clothes in the computer room, like dripping wet. Then she switched off the computer without asking me. I can't turn it back on no matter what. I took it to the shop, and they say the powersupply died, probably due to humidity or something (I didn't tell them about the clothes, of course). Since I just bought it a few days ago, they gave me a free replacement.
The second time, it made a ton of noise. So I took it to the shop again, and they said I needed to replace the powersupply. I don't care about power savings, and didn't know what the 80+ Bronze, Silver of Gold meant. I just bought whatever they sold me :blush:
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 11:26:36 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 11:21:54 PM
I checked your link, and there's, like, 0 seeders... And on "stardom", it says 1 fan. Given you are a fan, I'm guessing you're the only one with it. So, you wouldn't have one I can quickly download, don't you? :P
Guess why I need to keep the computer on 24 hours a day, 6 days a week? These things take time. Most seeds aren't available 24/7. You never know when they are available, and I won't be surprised if it takes weeks or months to finish BTing a series.
And no, that lone fan is definitely not me.
try to find a problematic one with lots of seeders please. I'm willing to help you, but you got to work with me. Or take one and upload it to Rapidgator like I said. At the speed of your net connection it won't take long. And I'll download it quick.
Ok, give me some time to figure that out :)
Quote from: viper37 on June 19, 2015, 11:38:37 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 19, 2015, 11:11:30 PM
The 970 is made by someone that calls himself Inno3d.
This one?
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/inno3d-ichill-geforce-gtx-980-and-gtx-970.html
It looks good to me :)
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I'll get a new case anyway. I need more USB 3.0 connections.
A new case means 2x USB 3.0 connections on the front/top panel. What goes behind is dependant on your board, how many USB 3.0 slots it has.
If you need more USB 3.0 slots, I recommend a USB 3.0 hub (http://www.amazon.ca/HT-UH010-Charging-Smartphone-VL812-B2-Firmware/dp/B00FR795WA?SubscriptionId=AKIAJM4NKIQGABP2PIRA&tag=thewire0f-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00FR795WA&ascsubtag=WC33373)
That hub sounds like a good idea. In that case I may save money by keeping the existing case.
I have no idea if this works or not. Never done anything similar before. I have uploaded the file, which is more than 1GB large. Took me 3 hours to upload it. I was also too lazy to change the Chinese file name, so it will probably appear as gibberish on your machine.
http://rg.to/file/374a7dc1c201a18a68e765801569fa3d/Baccano-1_副社長不談論自己是主角的可能性.mkv.html
ok, got it, downloading it now. Shouldn't take long and I'll check it tonight.
Quote from: viper37 on June 20, 2015, 09:59:48 AM
ok, got it, downloading it now. Shouldn't take long and I'll check it tonight.
Thanks :hug:
I don't see anything wrong with the file. It plays perfectly well in my VLC. I have a recent Core i5 for Cpu and a Radeon 290x for video card. I can go to the end, come back to the middle, no tear, not long pause either. Maybe 1 second pause, no more.
In VLC, if you go to Tools > Preferences > Video , do you see a checkbox next to "Accelerated video output"?
Is "Output" set to 'automatic' ?
Do you have VLC 2.2.1?
If you try the instructions I posted above, from your forum and you try Media Player Classic x64, do you still have problems?
Quote from: viper37 on June 20, 2015, 07:14:13 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the file. It plays perfectly well in my VLC. I have a recent Core i5 for Cpu and a Radeon 290x for video card. I can go to the end, come back to the middle, no tear, not long pause either. Maybe 1 second pause, no more.
In VLC, if you go to Tools > Preferences > Video , do you see a checkbox next to "Accelerated video output"?
Is "Output" set to 'automatic' ?
Do you have VLC 2.2.1?
If you try the instructions I posted above, from your forum and you try Media Player Classic x64, do you still have problems?
The VLC settings are fine. I think a lot of it has to do with how we define "long pause". Maybe I am just impatient. My laptop with an i7 CPU completely failed to play that file properly.
I gave you a 25-minute episode. The problem gets worse if it is a feature length movie, but I don't want to bother you with a 10G file. Moving the file around helps. It loads much more quickly from an SSD. It is slow on an external HDD. Internal HDD is somewhere in between.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 20, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
I gave you a 25-minute episode. The problem gets worse if it is a feature length movie, but I don't want to bother you with a 10G file.
Moving the file around helps. It loads much more quickly from an SSD. It is slow on an external HDD. Internal HDD is somewhere in between.
that is expected. SSD is super fast, ext. hd is super slow, HDD is somewhere in the middle.
I suspect the problem you have is the file takes a while to load from the external hard drive. VLC will try to buffer the file from the point you load it forward. If you start at the beginning, it will try to load everything it can into memory so you don't see a pause. But if you jump around, it's like an internet stream, it will reload from this point on forward.
Ok thanks a lot. I think it is about time I go and have a chat with the thieves computer shop people. And to make up my mind.
Quote from: viper37 on June 20, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 20, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
I gave you a 25-minute episode. The problem gets worse if it is a feature length movie, but I don't want to bother you with a 10G file.
Moving the file around helps. It loads much more quickly from an SSD. It is slow on an external HDD. Internal HDD is somewhere in between.
that is expected. SSD is super fast, ext. hd is super slow, HDD is somewhere in the middle.
I suspect the problem you have is the file takes a while to load from the external hard drive. VLC will try to buffer the file from the point you load it forward. If you start at the beginning, it will try to load everything it can into memory so you don't see a pause. But if you jump around, it's like an internet stream, it will reload from this point on forward.
Isn't that what I said a couple pages back? Sounds like a HDD problem, not a video card problem.
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2015, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 20, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 20, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
I gave you a 25-minute episode. The problem gets worse if it is a feature length movie, but I don't want to bother you with a 10G file.
Moving the file around helps. It loads much more quickly from an SSD. It is slow on an external HDD. Internal HDD is somewhere in between.
that is expected. SSD is super fast, ext. hd is super slow, HDD is somewhere in the middle.
I suspect the problem you have is the file takes a while to load from the external hard drive. VLC will try to buffer the file from the point you load it forward. If you start at the beginning, it will try to load everything it can into memory so you don't see a pause. But if you jump around, it's like an internet stream, it will reload from this point on forward.
Isn't that what I said a couple pages back? Sounds like a HDD problem, not a video card problem.
That is true. That's one of the reasons why I'll insist adding another 6TB internal HDD. But my experience is that upgrading the video card helps a lot with the problem. Of course, the law of diminishing returns kicks in at some point, and further upgrading it may or may not work.
Still quite torn if I should upgrade the video card. My existing 970 seems sufficient for now, but is unlikely to survive the next four years. Last time I bought a new video card and tried to install it myself, I broke the computer. I hate dragging the computer to the shop every year, so if I want to future proof my computer, I should get a 980ti when I change the CPU. :hmm:
Quote from: Barrister on June 21, 2015, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 20, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 20, 2015, 08:12:39 PM
I gave you a 25-minute episode. The problem gets worse if it is a feature length movie, but I don't want to bother you with a 10G file.
Moving the file around helps. It loads much more quickly from an SSD. It is slow on an external HDD. Internal HDD is somewhere in between.
that is expected. SSD is super fast, ext. hd is super slow, HDD is somewhere in the middle.
I suspect the problem you have is the file takes a while to load from the external hard drive. VLC will try to buffer the file from the point you load it forward. If you start at the beginning, it will try to load everything it can into memory so you don't see a pause. But if you jump around, it's like an internet stream, it will reload from this point on forward.
Isn't that what I said a couple pages back? Sounds like a HDD problem, not a video card problem.
yes, you did. But Mono never listens to any of us until he has his back to the wall, so I needed to confim by myself ;)
Quote from: Monoriu on June 21, 2015, 06:03:58 PM
Still quite torn if I should upgrade the video card. My existing 970 seems sufficient for now, but is unlikely to survive the next four years. Last time I bought a new video card and tried to install it myself, I broke the computer. I hate dragging the computer to the shop every year, so if I want to future proof my computer, I should get a 980ti when I change the CPU. :hmm:
even if you change it now, it's not going to last 4 years.
Upgrade your computer now. Learn your lesson from last video card change attemp. Wait 2 yours, buy a mainstream model that'll be better than today's 980ti. Change it yourself, or add 50$ to the price to get i changed.
You will pay what you pay today for a 980ti, but 2 years down the road. That means you have to actualize your cost to today's worth. So, your card will be cheaper.
A 980ti would not bring you more enjoyment today. In 2 years though, a new card would extend the life of your PC by another 2 years.
Should I get a 1440p 4k monitor? Mine is 1080p.
Talked to the computer shop.
Basics. These are things that I will buy.
CPU: Intel i7-5820k (2011 socket) US$400
Motherboard: ASUS X99-A (8 RAM slot) US$380
RAM: Kingston/Gskill DDR4 2400 32G(8Gx4) US$510
HDD: WD 6TB RED US$345 (already have 500GB SSD, and 2 HDD at 2TB and 6TB each. This will be a 4th one)
Sub-total: US$1,635
Options. These are things that I may or may not need to buy.
Q1: What powersupply should I use?
1a. Existing Super Flower Golden Green 850w Fan 80+ Gold Cable Management US$0
b. Corsair CS850w (80+, Gold, Modular) US$Viper-pays-because-he-made-me-buy-it US$190
c. CoolerMaster V850 (80+, Gold, Modular) US$230
Q2: What case should I use?
2a. Existing NZXT H02-001-WT ATX Classic Series US$0
b. Corsair 300R (side window) US$100
c. NZXT S340 US$90
Q3: What CPU cooler should I use?
3a. Existing Kuhler H2O 650 ANTEC US$0
b. Corsair H80i GT US$115
c. Corsair H100i GTX US$180. I was told that this has two fans or something and not every case is compatible with it?
Q4: What video card should I use?
4a. Existing nvidia GTX970 US$0
b. nvidia GTX980ti US$750
c. nvidia GTX980ti (IChill 4 fan version) US$850
Q5: What monitor should I use?
5a. Existing LG24MA53 1080p Full HD US$0
b. LG 27MU67 3840x2160 US$900
I am inclined to choose 1b (US$190)(viper you win) + 2a (0) + 3a (0) + 4a (0) + 5(b) (US$900). The total cost of the new desktop will be US$2,725. I reserve the right to change my mind without notice :P
This is so much power & money for something you use a slim amount of its potential.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 21, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
Should I get a 1440p 4k monitor? Mine is 1080p.
I don't think it's worth it for a 27" monitor. Even if you sit very close, the screen is pretty small for 4k, I don't think you'll see a lot more details.
4k has some use in video gaming, but then you might need a 2nd video card (SLI) to really run the latest games at this resolution. And I'm not sure the GTX 970 would be enough for 4k, you might need the GTX 980ti, like 2 of them.
Here's a text on why 4k gaming is not so great:
http://www.cnet.com/news/should-you-get-a-4k-tv-for-gaming/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/should-you-get-a-4k-tv-for-gaming/)
So, on a 27" monitor that costs you 900$ and requires 2x 850$ video cards... It's not worth it. Not right now. There's barely any content made in 4k, a few blu rays here&there, some streaming from Youbute and Netflix, probably no anime yet. 1080p content will not look extraordinary beautiful on a 27" 4k monitor, it will be slightly better or equal to your 1080p monitor. Also, not many games are made with 4k in mind. They will be slightly better, but not that better.
If you really want to go 4k, buy yourself a 60-65" 4k tv and plug your computer to it for gaming, and use a secondary monitor (your existing one) for other desktop activities, like browsing the internet.
My advice would be to keep your kit as you selected it, but drop the new monitor. Keep your old monitor. Invest that money in some stocks. In 3 years time, take your money back and buy a brand new computer, and this time a 4k monitor along with it, they'll be at 350-400$ instead of 900$ and will be twice as good ;)
Quote from: Monoriu on June 22, 2015, 06:51:14 AM
Talked to the computer shop.
Basics. These are things that I will buy.
CPU: Intel i7-5820k (2011 socket) US$400
Motherboard: ASUS X99-A (8 RAM slot) US$380
RAM: Kingston/Gskill DDR4 2400 32G(8Gx4) US$510
HDD: WD 6TB RED US$345 (already have 500GB SSD, and 2 HDD at 2TB and 6TB each. This will be a 4th one)
Sub-total: US$1,635
Again, my advice would be to not go to 32gb right now. 24gb max, even 16gb would be sufficient, most games do not use that much memory, they are designed for consoles wich only have 5gb of memory available. If you go the 4k way though, it might be a wise investment. But I already told you not to go that way right now...
By the time you will need 32gb to play a game, you whole system will be antiquated and it will be time to replace it. Save your money and upgrade the whole computer in 3 years if you don't want to do select upgrades.
Also, those HK prices are insane. That 6tb WD Red costs me 250$CAN here (200$US)... And it likely was made closer to your shop than mine :P
Quote from: viper37 on June 22, 2015, 07:41:33 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 21, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
Should I get a 1440p 4k monitor? Mine is 1080p.
I don't think it's worth it for a 27" monitor. Even if you sit very close, the screen is pretty small for 4k, I don't think you'll see a lot more details.
4k has some use in video gaming, but then you might need a 2nd video card (SLI) to really run the latest games at this resolution. And I'm not sure the GTX 970 would be enough for 4k, you might need the GTX 980ti, like 2 of them.
Here's a text on why 4k gaming is not so great:
http://www.cnet.com/news/should-you-get-a-4k-tv-for-gaming/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/should-you-get-a-4k-tv-for-gaming/)
So, on a 27" monitor that costs you 900$ and requires 2x 850$ video cards... It's not worth it. Not right now. There's barely any content made in 4k, a few blu rays here&there, some streaming from Youbute and Netflix, probably no anime yet. 1080p content will not look extraordinary beautiful on a 27" 4k monitor, it will be slightly better or equal to your 1080p monitor. Also, not many games are made with 4k in mind. They will be slightly better, but not that better.
If you really want to go 4k, buy yourself a 60-65" 4k tv and plug your computer to it for gaming, and use a secondary monitor (your existing one) for other desktop activities, like browsing the internet.
My advice would be to keep your kit as you selected it, but drop the new monitor. Keep your old monitor. Invest that money in some stocks. In 3 years time, take your money back and buy a brand new computer, and this time a 4k monitor along with it, they'll be at 350-400$ instead of 900$ and will be twice as good ;)
ok, this makes sense.
Quote from: viper37 on June 22, 2015, 07:46:18 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 22, 2015, 06:51:14 AM
Talked to the computer shop.
Basics. These are things that I will buy.
CPU: Intel i7-5820k (2011 socket) US$400
Motherboard: ASUS X99-A (8 RAM slot) US$380
RAM: Kingston/Gskill DDR4 2400 32G(8Gx4) US$510
HDD: WD 6TB RED US$345 (already have 500GB SSD, and 2 HDD at 2TB and 6TB each. This will be a 4th one)
Sub-total: US$1,635
Again, my advice would be to not go to 32gb right now. 24gb max, even 16gb would be sufficient, most games do not use that much memory, they are designed for consoles wich only have 5gb of memory available. If you go the 4k way though, it might be a wise investment. But I already told you not to go that way right now...
By the time you will need 32gb to play a game, you whole system will be antiquated and it will be time to replace it. Save your money and upgrade the whole computer in 3 years if you don't want to do select upgrades.
Also, those HK prices are insane. That 6tb WD Red costs me 250$CAN here (200$US)... And it likely was made closer to your shop than mine :P
24G and 32G, the difference is probably only about US$100. I'll go 32G.
Yeah, the prices are high. They include labour though. The shop will do everything for me. These are also pre-negotiation. I maybe able to get, say, 5% off or something. I have yet to use my trump card - I'll pay cash.
QuoteThese are also pre-negotiation. I maybe able to get, say, 5% off or something. I have yet to use my trump card - I'll pay cash.
Good Mono :hug:
Quote from: Monoriu on June 22, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
I maybe able to get, say, 5% off or something. I have yet to use my trump card - I'll pay cash.
First sensible thing you've said in this thread.
And yeah, guys, I've tried to tell him his gaming habits would run well on a computer from 5 years ago instead of trying to invest in a computer future-proofed to 5 years from now, but he doesn't listen.
The main thing, Mono, is if you absolutely refuse to delete anything, drop some coin and invest in a subscription with a data center that can keep your files. The way you're going with SSDs, your apartment is going to look like a high-tech episode of Hoarders in about 5 years' time.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 22, 2015, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 22, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
I maybe able to get, say, 5% off or something. I have yet to use my trump card - I'll pay cash.
First sensible thing you've said in this thread.
And yeah, guys, I've tried to tell him his gaming habits would run well on a computer from 5 years ago instead of trying to invest in a computer future-proofed to 5 years from now, but he doesn't listen.
The main thing, Mono, is if you absolutely refuse to delete anything, drop some coin and invest in a subscription with a data center that can keep your files. The way you're going with SSDs, your apartment is going to look like a high-tech episode of Hoarders in about 5 years' time.
The desktop computer is the one object in the universe that has the highest correlation with my happiness. If there is anything that is worth spending my money on, this is it.
I kinda suspect that a cloud data service that is 23TB large isn't cheap. Not sure why you mention SSDs though as I really only use them for operating systems, not for anime storage. In any case, I don't trust cloud services. I have seen what happened to some anime fan sites that stored everything online when something went wrong. Hell, our own languish suffered from multiple breakdowns and data losses. I am also too computer illiterate to use them properly. Your point about ever increasing HDDs is noted. I'll try to limit the number of external HDDs that I have.
Your main problem seem to be USB throughput.
Try to use more Esata or USB 3.0
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 22, 2015, 09:34:07 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on June 22, 2015, 08:29:58 AM
I maybe able to get, say, 5% off or something. I have yet to use my trump card - I'll pay cash.
First sensible thing you've said in this thread.
And yeah, guys, I've tried to tell him his gaming habits would run well on a computer from 5 years ago instead of trying to invest in a computer future-proofed to 5 years from now, but he doesn't listen.
The main thing, Mono, is if you absolutely refuse to delete anything, drop some coin and invest in a subscription with a data center that can keep your files. The way you're going with SSDs, your apartment is going to look like a high-tech episode of Hoarders in about 5 years' time.
he's got like 6-7 external HDDs and 2-3 internal hdds each 3-4 tb each. For that amount of money, he'd better rent another flat and stock his own file server there.
Quote from: Monoriu on June 22, 2015, 08:25:40 AM
ok, this makes sense.
I forgot about your cooling system. Well, just double check with the computer store that it will fit with the new CPU. There is of course no problem with the case, since you keep the old one :)
Have you considered this cheap starter system?
http://www.hitech-gamer.com/en/Ultimate-Gamer-PC/GAMER-PC-ULTIMATE-SNAKE-EATER-V4.html
he might just listen to you :P
No way :P
I've made up my mind. The only question is when I need to get off my ass, line up at the bank to withdraw cash, haggle with the shop, and drag the computer there. Windows 10 will be out by the end of July, it seems. Not sure if I should wait until then. I can try to make "help me install Windows 10" as part of the conditions for buying the computer. Although I think Microsoft is the best company in the world, my confidence that I can upgrade to Windows 10 without a hitch is close to zero. On the other hand, maybe Windows 10 sucks and I should just continue to use Windows 7, which I am very happy with. But then it is probably not a good idea to be two generations behind in the OS.
There is no problem to upgrade to Windows 10, provided all your updates from Windows update are installed. Just follow the on screen instructions.
Quote from: viper37 on June 22, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
There is no problem to upgrade to Windows 10, provided all your updates from Windows update are installed. Just follow the on screen instructions.
Is this going to be like when you advised me about how easy and good it was to switch to 8.1? ;)
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2015, 08:16:53 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 22, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
There is no problem to upgrade to Windows 10, provided all your updates from Windows update are installed. Just follow the on screen instructions.
Is this going to be like when you advised me about how easy and good it was to switch to 8.1? ;)
Viper, my ghost will haunt you if you lie to me :menace:
Quote from: garbon on July 03, 2015, 08:16:53 AM
Quote from: viper37 on June 22, 2015, 09:08:30 PM
There is no problem to upgrade to Windows 10, provided all your updates from Windows update are installed. Just follow the on screen instructions.
Is this going to be like when you advised me about how easy and good it was to switch to 8.1? ;)
No.
Installing 8.1 was actually someting
you had to do. And I still don't know why you had problems, never had any troubles here.
For Windows 10, the installation will be done by Windows Update.
I'll do the deed in the next few days.
Nothing will happen then.
Microsoft will start rolling out the updates on the 29th, could take weeks for you to be updated.
It has begun. There is a pop-up screen, and Microsoft has asked me to reserve a timeslot for the Windows 10 update.
I was too terrified and I just closed that screen instinctively, hoping the problem will go away :blush:
You are more risk-averse than any person should be. :lol:
Quote from: Norgy on July 05, 2015, 01:53:13 PM
You are more risk-averse than any person should be. :lol:
Well, the cost/benefit just doesn't add up. I am happy with Windows 7. Vista was slow and 8 constantly shoves useless and irrelevant screens at me. I have no incentive whatsoever to change. The benefit side of the equation is air.
I love Microsoft and Skynet. I want them to rule the Earth, lord over us and dictate humanity's future. I use their products out of that loyalty. But I am well aware that the update will have problems, judging from past experience. The worst case scenario is that I'll be locked out of my computer, and I have to drag it to the shop for repairs. I hate doing this, in case I have not stated this enough times already. The cost side of the equation is very ugly.
You're neglecting the risk in *not* upgrading. Microsoft has stated that the ridiculous Windows XP support life cycle isn't going to happen again. I know you want to be ruled by Microsoft and Skynet, but how about opportunistic hackers looking for idiots running old, unsupported operating systems?
One of the reasons I *desperately* want out of my current job is because their network security is appalling- the damn place thinks it's okay to gather and transmit credit card data on ancient point-of-sale computers running *Windows 95*. It's only a matter of time before there's a massive breach, and I'd rather not be associated with that place when that happens.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 05, 2015, 09:15:49 PM
You're neglecting the risk in *not* upgrading. Microsoft has stated that the ridiculous Windows XP support life cycle isn't going to happen again. I know you want to be ruled by Microsoft and Skynet, but how about opportunistic hackers looking for idiots running old, unsupported operating systems?
One of the reasons I *desperately* want out of my current job is because their network security is appalling- the damn place thinks it's okay to gather and transmit credit card data on ancient point-of-sale computers running *Windows 95*. It's only a matter of time before there's a massive breach, and I'd rather not be associated with that place when that happens.
That's a good point. That's valid reason why I should install Windows 10 and endure the pain. I don't think they'll terminate support for Windows 7 so soon though. I would rather wait a few months for the inevitable Windows 10 issues to be fixed.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 05, 2015, 09:21:45 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 05, 2015, 09:15:49 PM
You're neglecting the risk in *not* upgrading. Microsoft has stated that the ridiculous Windows XP support life cycle isn't going to happen again. I know you want to be ruled by Microsoft and Skynet, but how about opportunistic hackers looking for idiots running old, unsupported operating systems?
One of the reasons I *desperately* want out of my current job is because their network security is appalling- the damn place thinks it's okay to gather and transmit credit card data on ancient point-of-sale computers running *Windows 95*. It's only a matter of time before there's a massive breach, and I'd rather not be associated with that place when that happens.
That's a good point. That's valid reason why I should install Windows 10 and endure the pain. I don't think they'll terminate support for Windows 7 so soon though. I would rather wait a few months for the inevitable Windows 10 issues to be fixed.
As of Janurary 3 2015, mainstream support is over. Wich means, they will patch the most glaring flaws but will not make any improvements to the basic code. One of these issues as pop-up as some malware can't take hold on Win8 due to its new security features, but M$ is not adding that feature to Win7.
Full support (all basic security patches) will end in January 2020.
Thanks for the tip. I'll do it.
My computer is with the shop now. Can't believe they need 48 hours for the surgery. :mad:
Quote from: Monoriu on July 06, 2015, 09:34:18 AM
My computer is with the shop now. Can't believe they need 48 hours for the surgery. :mad:
they're slow. Or very busy.
It takes time to copy your massive collection for themselves.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 06, 2015, 09:49:25 AM
It takes time to copy your massive collection for themselves.
I didn't give them my external HDDs :P
Besides, there are easier ways to get them.
Long story short, it is done. I have a new computer, but I am totally exhausted from the logistics operation. Lesson learned: next time, wear gloves.
Major problem though. I have not changed my boot HDD, but Windows has sent an ultimatum to me. Something like register within 72 hours, or your computer will stop working. The Windows 7 is real, not pirated, so I don't quite understand. When I click the button that says register or something, an error popped up. 0xC004B100.
Any ideas how to fix this?
I still love Microsoft though.
Connect to the internet, try again until it works.
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Any ideas how to fix this?
I still love Microsoft though.
That's your problem, right there. :P
Quote from: Monoriu on July 08, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
Long story short, it is done. I have a new computer, but I am totally exhausted from the logistics operation. Lesson learned: next time, wear gloves.
Major problem though. I have not changed my boot HDD, but Windows has sent an ultimatum to me. Something like register within 72 hours, or your computer will stop working. The Windows 7 is real, not pirated, so I don't quite understand. When I click the button that says register or something, an error popped up. 0xC004B100.
The Windows activation has detected a change in your hardware and requests a re-register.
Try rebooting, try again, see if it works.
Do you get to a point where you can chose activation by phone? If so, pick that one and call the toll free number.
You'll likely have an automated voice asking you some simple questions, like provide the code on screen and how many computers do you have this Windows installed on. Answer "1" to the last question, they'll provide you a code to type on screen.
From what I see online, 0xC004B100 refers to a multiple activation key problem (MAK) where they key is already in use somewhere. Likely, you computer shop installed a bunch of Windows with similar activation keys, didn't bother to check them individually because it was a waste of time.
If you still have a problem, might be worth calling them.
The biggest surprise to me was the liquid cooler. The shop told me that the cooler had "dried up". Two thoughts: (a) these things aren't perpetual?!?!?! Maybe, as my computer is on 6 days a week, 24 hours a day. (b) Maybe they aren't lying to get more business, as my computer had become very noisy in recent months. So I bought a new liquid cooler. But the new cooler was too big to fit the original case, so I had to buy a bigger case.
The verdict: the new computer is a lot more quiet than my old one :yeah:
The bigger case couldn't fit the biggest suitcase that I have. That meant that I had to drag both an empty suitcase and a huge case back home. My arms still hurt the next day. That also means it will be a lot more difficult to take the computer to the shop next time. Deep down, I know viper is right. No video card today can last four years, and it seems the liquid cooler won't last four years either, especially if I only turn it off once a week. So that means I'll likely have to replace the video card and cooler in like two years. But I really, really don't want to drag the computer there, especially if I can't put it in a suitcase.
One possibility is to pay someone to come to my home to install the components in two years. There are technicians who are willing to do this for US$30. Maybe that's a solution.
Other thoughts:
- I have rebooted the computer a few times but I no longer see Window's ultimatum. Just can't find it anywhere anymore. Magically disappeared.
- at the risk of stating the obvious, the new computer is faster than the old one. Everything is faster. But it isn't a quantum leap.
- the lag in playing large video files is still here, but the problem has improved somewhat. Next time I'm going to get a video card with a lot of memory.
- there is still substantial time needed in booting up the computer. They say x-99 boards are like that :bleeding:
- I need to turn the computer off more often, so that the cooler and power supply will last longer.
- The shop makes certain I am aware that the new motherboard has USB 3.1 slots. I have never even heard of USB 3.1 devices.
- The real test will come when I buy Fallout 4.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 08, 2015, 07:38:18 PM
The biggest surprise to me was the liquid cooler. The shop told me that the cooler had "dried up". Two thoughts: (a) these things aren't perpetual?!?!?! Maybe, as my computer is on 6 days a week, 24 hours a day. (b) Maybe they aren't lying to get more business, as my computer had become very noisy in recent months. So I bought a new liquid cooler. But the new cooler was too big to fit the original case, so I had to buy a bigger case.
The verdict: the new computer is a lot more quiet than my old one :yeah:
The bigger case couldn't fit the biggest suitcase that I have. That meant that I had to drag both an empty suitcase and a huge case back home. My arms still hurt the next day. That also means it will be a lot more difficult to take the computer to the shop next time. Deep down, I know viper is right. No video card today can last four years, and it seems the liquid cooler won't last four years either, especially if I only turn it off once a week. So that means I'll likely have to replace the video card and cooler in like two years. But I really, really don't want to drag the computer there, especially if I can't put it in a suitcase.
One possibility is to pay someone to come to my home to install the components in two years. There are technicians who are willing to do this for US$30. Maybe that's a solution.
Other thoughts:
- I have rebooted the computer a few times but I no longer see Window's ultimatum. Just can't find it anywhere anymore. Magically disappeared.
- at the risk of stating the obvious, the new computer is faster than the old one. Everything is faster. But it isn't a quantum leap.
- the lag in playing large video files is still here, but the problem has improved somewhat. Next time I'm going to get a video card with a lot of memory.
- there is still substantial time needed in booting up the computer. They say x-99 boards are like that :bleeding:
- I need to turn the computer off more often, so that the cooler and power supply will last longer.
- The shop makes certain I am aware that the new motherboard has USB 3.1 slots. I have never even heard of USB 3.1 devices.
- The real test will come when I buy Fallout 4.
ASUS boards can usually have their boot times significantly shortened through a combination of tweaks, but it's not something you want to mess with if you don't know what you're doing (disabling legacy USB support, for example- don't do it if you still have USB 1.1 devices, which is a possibility with all your external drives). Both of my computers are ASUS boards with traditional HDDs and boot in around 40 seconds.
For my own future reference:
CPU i7-5820k
Motherboard Asus X99-A 8 Ram Slot
Ram DDR4 2400 32G(8Gx4)
Hardrives: 500GB SSD + 128GB SSD + 2TB + WD 6TB Red x2
BD RW
Case Corsair 760T
Powersupply Cooler Master V850
Cooler H100i GTX
Video Card Inno3D GTX970
Turning your computer off will NOT make your power supply last longer.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 09, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Turning your computer off will NOT make your power supply last longer.
:weep:
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 08, 2015, 08:49:04 PM
ASUS boards can usually have their boot times significantly shortened through a combination of tweaks, but it's not something you want to mess with if you don't know what you're doing (disabling legacy USB support, for example- don't do it if you still have USB 1.1 devices, which is a possibility with all your external drives). Both of my computers are ASUS boards with traditional HDDs and boot in around 40 seconds.
I have SSD and my boot up time is two minutes :cry:
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 09, 2015, 07:23:08 AM
Turning your computer off will NOT make your power supply last longer.
Technically, it would help with system stability, but with that much RAM, it'd be a couple months of uptime before weird things start happening. :contract:
Quote from: Monoriu on July 08, 2015, 07:38:18 PM
The biggest surprise to me was the liquid cooler. The shop told me that the cooler had "dried up". Two thoughts: (a) these things aren't perpetual?!?!?! Maybe, as my computer is on 6 days a week, 24 hours a day. (b) Maybe they aren't lying to get more business, as my computer had become very noisy in recent months. So I bought a new liquid cooler. But the new cooler was too big to fit the original case, so I had to buy a bigger case.
there is liquid wich you might need to replenish. I suppose some of it will evaporate over time. Kinda like a radiator for car, after many years, it is possible the fluid will dry up.
QuoteBut I really, really don't want to drag the computer there, especially if I can't put it in a suitcase.
I'm not very knowledgeable in liquid coolers since I never used one, but, I figure there's got to be a way to replenish the liquid coolant after a year.
Oh, and get to the gym if you can't carry a computer case! :P
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One possibility is to pay someone to come to my home to install the components in two years. There are technicians who are willing to do this for US$30. Maybe that's a solution.
In your situation, most likely, yeah.
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- I have rebooted the computer a few times but I no longer see Window's ultimatum. Just can't find it anywhere anymore. Magically disappeared.
It might just come back when you least expect it. Windows 7 is like that.
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- at the risk of stating the obvious, the new computer is faster than the old one. Everything is faster. But it isn't a quantum leap.
It shouldn't be, you had a pretty decent system before.
Quote
- the lag in playing large video files is still here, but the problem has improved somewhat. Next time I'm going to get a video card with a lot of memory.
That lag is most likely due to your USB 2.0 external hdds. Use your internal storage for the files you are most likely to watch in the next year, and shuffle files back&forth between the HDD and Ext. HDD if you run out of space.
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- there is still substantial time needed in booting up the computer. They say x-99 boards are like that :bleeding:
That ain't normal. As DSB said, it's most likely some bios setting, or an out of date bios doing that.
That 30$ you mentionned earlier, it might be worth it.
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- I need to turn the computer off more often, so that the cooler and power supply will last longer.
no, not really.
But I was curious and started searching, so I found this:
No maintenance needed, only requires you to blow compressed air through the rad fins and do the usual cleaning job. Since its a sealed loop, you can't tear it down. The latter would defeat the purpose of it being a sealed all-in-one unit. However, you could remove the cooling plate and change/replace the TIM on the CPU to something like an Arctic Silver 5 , Timtronics or Arctic cooling's MX lineup. That is for the sealed one. If it's unsealed, with a reservoir, you need this;
Link: Water cooling cons (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2028293/liquid-cooling-vs-traditional-cooling-what-you-need-to-know.html)
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- The shop makes certain I am aware that the new motherboard has USB 3.1 slots. I have never even heard of USB 3.1 devices.
There aren't that many yet.
And there's only a benefit if you use USB 3.1 devices. A USB 2.0 drive does not ran faster on a USB 3.1 port.
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- The real test will come when I buy Fallout 4.
You will have no problem with that. Games are designed to be compatible with consoles which are antiquated hardware with a video card half as powerful as you have, 8gb ram and a CPU that's 10% of yours. You get slightly better graphics on a PC, but most games really don't take advantage of all the horsepower.
Computer acting in funny ways. Most notable problem is that sometimes, all videos stop playing within IE. When I try to load a video in Youtube, I only get an error sign. A grey exclamation mark. When I load the Yahoo homepage, the page loads fine, except the boxes where video advertisements should appear. Grey exclamation marks. Closing all IE windows sometimes helps. Sometimes a reboot is necessary. Last night IE totally crashed and the computer tried to sort of restore itself to an earlier save.
I have IE 11 already.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 15, 2015, 06:06:52 PM
Computer acting in funny ways. Most notable problem is that sometimes, all videos stop playing within IE. When I try to load a video in Youtube, I only get an error sign. A grey exclamation mark. When I load the Yahoo homepage, the page loads fine, except the boxes where video advertisements should appear. Grey exclamation marks. Closing all IE windows sometimes helps. Sometimes a reboot is necessary. Last night IE totally crashed and the computer tried to sort of restore itself to an earlier save.
I have IE 11 already.
I suspect IE's notoriously bad implementation of current HTML standards (YouTube switched from Flash to a pure HTML5 player fairly recently). On the other hand, a bizarre interaction I've seen that can cause that: you're not using Avast! antivirus, are you?
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 15, 2015, 08:36:47 PM
I suspect IE's notoriously bad implementation of current HTML standards (YouTube switched from Flash to a pure HTML5 player fairly recently). On the other hand, a bizarre interaction I've seen that can cause that: you're not using Avast! antivirus, are you?
I'm using Mcafee antivirus, I think.
The problem happens randomly. Sometimes I can watch Youtube videos for hours, then suddenly it stops working and a reboot is needed. Found this on the internet and I may play around with the settings tonight.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2532294
Oh and, Microsoft is still the best company in the world :P
Dude, stop using broken crap because Microsoft. Get a real browser with proper HTML5 support. Firefox has it, Chrome has it, hell- even Opera has it, if you don't mind waiting until the next century for pages to be fully drawn.
Also, a video about McAfee antivirus, for your viewing pleasure, by none other than John McAfee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
EDIT: just in case you haven't heard of this video, it's NSFW and not totally serious (although the sentiment is spot-on :P).
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 15, 2015, 09:14:43 PM
Dude, stop using broken crap because Microsoft. Get a real browser with proper HTML5 support. Firefox has it, Chrome has it, hell- even Opera has it, if you don't mind waiting until the next century for pages to be fully drawn.
I assume the problem is me, not IE. I just changed the computer hardware, so chances are, some of the settings are screwed. I use IE 11 at work and there are no issues.
or windows 10 with Microsoft Edge.
Quote from: Grey Fox on July 16, 2015, 08:28:15 AM
or windows 10 with Microsoft Edge.
I thought it is called Spartan? :unsure:
Quote from: Syt on July 16, 2015, 08:51:13 AM
Then your user experience will continue to suck.
I really don't feel anything wrong with IE until the most recent days. If it doesn't break down, it is fine. Must be the hardware upgrade. It is my fault that it doesn't work.
Updated Windows and the flash player last night. No issues with the video for now.
Some people say there is a very important plug-in called ActiveX. But I can't seem to find it in the list of plug-ins that IE use. Is that the reason why I have trouble, and should I find and install it? :unsure:
ActiveX is kinda discontinued. It still works for current IE releases, but it won't be used and supported for the next browser.
It is integrated into IE, you do not need to download and install anything.
There are however options you may change in IE, but I'm unsure if I should recommend them to you as they reduce the security of the browser and you insist on using such an unsecured piece of software.
Anyway. If you go to Options (in IE), then Security, then custom level, look for "ActiveX controls and plugins".
Filtering: Enable
Allow previously...: Disable
Allow scripltets: Prompt
Automatic prompting: Enable
Binary and script: Enable
Download unsigned: Disable
Initialize script not marked as safe: Prompt
Try these settings, see if they work for you.
That night was scary. I kept seeing the grey circle of death in all video boxes. What's more, I saw IE completely broke down before my eyes. The mouse began to slow down. The IE windows loaded half a page, and had trouble loading the rest. Out of place pixels appeared everywhere. The upper part of the windows began to appear, but the lower half was missing. Broken text everywhere. Tons of windows tried to appear but failed to do so. I had to go to sleep by then so I just left it there.
The next morning I saw the screen resolution revert to like 600x400. Or lower. The background was dark, there was a dialogue box telling me that Windows tried to restore itself but failed. Do I want to revert to an earlier save or something. I clicked no. Then all I saw was a black screen. I did the only thing I could do - removing the power cable.
When I rebooted the computer, there was a large box saying that overclocking had failed, and I had to go to this BIOS thing. I went in but did nothing. Then it booted up normally.
I will not move from my conviction that Microsoft is the best company in the world.
If only you'd been born 500 years earlier, you'd have made one hell of an Inquisitor! :P
So, I don't think the CPU or GPU was actually overclocked, but there could be a problem with your liquid cooling system.
Or simply, there's a driver problem. Or a malware infection.
Ok, first, we need to upgrade the BIOS.
Go there: https://www.asus.com/gr/Motherboards/X99A/HelpDesk_Download/ (https://www.asus.com/gr/Motherboards/X99A/HelpDesk_Download/)
Select your OS, go to BIOS, download the file, extract its content to a USB flash drive.
Reboot the computer, go to BIOS, select "Advanced mode" in the first screen, than go to the last menu where you will see an option to flash the BIOS. Follow these steps, don't reboot the computer until it tells you to.
Once you reboot, it will fail, giving you an error message saying you need to go to the BIOS. It's ok, just do that, go the BIOS, find an option for "Load recommended settings" and than save&exit. It will boot normally into Windows.
Other than that, if there is a problem at any steps further down, stop and report the problem.
Next we will upgrade the system drivers
Same page as before, we now download the latest file under the sections: chipset, audio, LAN, USB, utilities.
Install everything except "utilities", we will be back for this later.
During installation, whenever it asks you to reboot, do it.
Update your video card drivers:
Go to this page: http://www.geforce.com/driversSelect your appropriate model from the list, download and install the first file.
Back to utilities - part 1
ThatAsus utility file, now is time to install it, double-click on it, when you get a choice of what to install:
ASUS Dual Intelligent Processors 5
ASUS EZ Update
ASUS USB 3.1 Boost
ASUS USB BIOS Flashback
If at any time it asks you to reboot, do it.
Back to utilities - part 2
Repeat the same steps as before, but this time, you will only select ASUS AI Suite 3.
Follow the instructions, reboot when necessary.
Final step
Launch AI Suite and check the page that monitors system temp. See if it tends to increase dramatically over time, just letting the comp. idle.
You can toy with overclocking too, but we'll leave it be for now, concentrate on getting a stable system.
Thanks viper, I appreciate that. Since I updated Windows and the flashplayer, all the problems have gone.
Flash for IE is updated with Windows Update, but an out of date version of Flash shouldn't be causing the problems you had.
Well, if it works, that's all good. If you have any more problems in the future, follow the guide :)
Strange behaviour from IE again. Grey circles and failure to load pages. I am beginning to suspect that the problem is a conflict with the anti-virus. When IE behaved strangely, I noticed there was a dialogue box where the anti-virus asked me if I really wanted to visit a website. If I close that box, the problem goes away.
are you sure the page you visit is safe?
Quote from: viper37 on July 20, 2015, 07:48:04 PM
are you sure the page you visit is safe?
no :ph34r: I go to a lot of...questionable sites.
well, flash isn't really secure, IE is not secure, so if you insist on using it, well, duh.
Quote from: viper37 on July 20, 2015, 08:30:23 PM
well, flash isn't really secure, IE is not secure, so if you insist on using it, well, duh.
Well, nothing is 100% secure. Chrome has a higher market share than IE (:weep:), so it is the biggest target now.
Quote from: Monoriu on July 20, 2015, 08:47:49 PM
Well, nothing is 100% secure. Chrome has a higher market share than IE (:weep:), so it is the biggest target now.
Chrome is not less secure than IE simply because it has more market share and is a "bigger target." There's a high correlation between IE users and inadequate security practices of which, no offense meant, but you are an almost perfect exemplar. Chrome might be a bigger target because of market share, but IE users are a bigger target for malware users and designers. That Microsoft has consistently dropped the ball on patching vulnerabilities is just icing on the cake.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 20, 2015, 11:01:34 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on July 20, 2015, 08:47:49 PM
Well, nothing is 100% secure. Chrome has a higher market share than IE (:weep:), so it is the biggest target now.
Chrome is not less secure than IE simply because it has more market share and is a "bigger target." There's a high correlation between IE users and inadequate security practices of which, no offense meant, but you are an almost perfect exemplar. Chrome might be a bigger target because of market share, but IE users are a bigger target for malware users and designers. That Microsoft has consistently dropped the ball on patching vulnerabilities is just icing on the cake.
IE users tend to be computer idiots?
...
Well, maybe you are right. But then, computer idiots using other browers will not change the fact that we are still computer idiots :P
Quote from: Monoriu on July 20, 2015, 11:18:57 PM
IE users tend to be computer idiots?
...
Well, maybe you are right. But then, computer idiots using other browers will not change the fact that we are still computer idiots :P
They'll be computer idiots with less vulnerabilities to malware. :contract:
Mono, your computer habits put you at risk like a Western tourist roughly riding bareback through Bangkok's population of bar ladies.
At least get Malwarebytes installed along with Spybot.
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2015, 05:22:50 AM
Mono, your computer habits put you at risk like a Western tourist roughly riding bareback through Bangkok's population of bar ladies.
At least get Malwarebytes installed along with Spybot.
I think they cost money :ph34r:
So does having your computer hijacked. :hug:
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2015, 06:24:48 AM
So does having your computer hijacked. :hug:
Hard for me to justify the expense when I am already paying for McAfee. What is wrong with McAfee anyway?
It's been long since I used it, so I am hardly qualified to say.
I just think you should have malware protection. Virae and malware are different animals. Spybot is free for home use. Malwarebytes's Anti-malware costs a small fee. Less than a cheap game off Steam, really.
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2015, 06:41:13 AM
It's been long since I used it, so I am hardly qualified to say.
I just think you should have malware protection. Virae and malware are different animals. Spybot is free for home use. Malwarebytes's Anti-malware costs a small fee. Less than a cheap game off Steam, really.
:yuk:
It's not like the nominative singular is Vira. :rolleyes:
FFS it's either viruses or some real latin plural (of an uncountable noun hurray for New Latin!) i.e Vira (neutral nominative plural). PER IOVEM!
Quote from: Monoriu on July 29, 2015, 06:28:13 AM
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2015, 06:24:48 AM
So does having your computer hijacked. :hug:
Hard for me to justify the expense when I am already paying for McAfee. What is wrong with McAfee anyway?
forget Spybot, it's no longer useful.
Use Malwarebytes free, just remember to manually scan from time to time.
A good free antivirus is Panda Cloud.
You could also use the free Panda Cloud cleaner, which will detect tracing cookies.
Quote from: viper37 on July 29, 2015, 01:57:55 PM
forget Spybot, it's no longer useful.
Use Malwarebytes free, just remember to manually scan from time to time.
A good free antivirus is Panda Cloud.
You could also use the free Panda Cloud cleaner, which will detect tracing cookies.
:yes: God, I haven't paid for malware stuff in forever, not since I learned to read HJT logs.
Quote from: Norgy on July 29, 2015, 05:22:50 AM
Mono, your computer habits put you at risk like a Western tourist roughly riding bareback through Bangkok's population of bar ladies.
At least get Malwarebytes installed along with Spybot.
:lol: Well put.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on July 29, 2015, 07:21:53 PM
:yes: God, I haven't paid for malware stuff in forever, not since I learned to read HJT logs.
For myself, I use a paid version of Eset Smart Security, firewall+AV. I really like the firewall app, it's really intuitive. However, for casual users, I usually recommend a free AV like Panda, or Avast. AVG gives me way too many false positives.
After a couple of Windows updates, IE seems to have stabilised a bit. At work, the number of times that it crashes daily has decreased. At home, I still get the grey circles of death occasionally. But closing all IE windows and restarting it now works. No need to do a reboot. All in all, it is a minor annoyance that I can live with.