It will be primarily for gaming purposes and I want to keep costs down. It has been almost six years since I bought a rig so any suggestions?
Intel-ASUS-Nvidia.
My last two builds were Intel CPUs, ASUS boards, and then Nvidia video cards and everything has gone perfectly. I don't know your budget so I can't give you specific suggestions but for all three of those items there's stuff priced someplace that should meet your budget.
I would suggest getting a Haswell CPU at least.
AMD-Gigabyte-ATI
Quote from: Valmy on June 11, 2015, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: Liep on June 11, 2015, 02:36:12 PM
AMD-Gigabyte-ATI
Way to confuse me :angry:
Ignore me, I know nothing so I was mostly trolling. Although I am very happy with my cheaper amd processor.
Quote from: Valmy on June 11, 2015, 02:19:21 PM
It will be primarily for gaming purposes and I want to keep costs down. It has been almost six years since I bought a rig so any suggestions?
AMD is cheaper, faster on everything but gaming.
Intel is faster, more expensive, slower on everything except for gaming where it blazes through just about any games. It's a pain to copy large files from one hard drive to another and it brings your gaming rig to its knees trying to do that, i.e. forget about trying to play while you copy some files or rip a Blu Ray, unless you have that 1000$ i7 cpu.
And AMD 290x is a good card (try to pick the MSI TwinFrzr) or an Nvidia GTX 970, it really depends on wich price you can get them.
AMD has the Mantle API, Dragon Age Inquisition uses this and makes the game smoother. I want your experience of DA:I to be absolute so it makes for a better AAR :P
Early DX12 reports gives an advance to AMD cards, but we won't know for sure until Win10 is out for a few months, with a couple of drivers release. I doubt Nvidia will lag behind so much for very long.
If you want the absolute best and don't care about costs, Intel i7 and the latest or second latest Nvidia video cards (Titan X) like a Gigabyte Windforce.
If you're on a budget, AMD CPU + AMD video card like the 280x.
If you're willing to compromise, Intel i5, maybe the 4670k, maybe a bit higher and an AMD video card like the 290x or a GTX 970.
Use this site to build your pc:
https://pcpartpicker.com/ (https://pcpartpicker.com/)
If you want specifics, I'd go for an Asus Maximus VII hero for MB and Intel i7 4670k for CPU. Depends on what you can afford. Don't compromise on the board though, go for an Intel i5 or switch over to AMD with one of the top line Asus MB like the Sabertooth 990FX.
Go for one DDR3-1866 16gb so you can easily add another 16gb down the road. No need to go insane on the RAM, Intel doesn't support anything above DDR3-1600 without overclocking.
Video card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE 3X GTX 970 or MSI Twinfrzr Radeon 290x (check the prices&specials when you're ready to buy).
Powersupply: full modular 750w. Like the OCZ-FTY750W. Or any other good brand like Antec, Thermaltake, Silverstone. Go for the bronze one. Unless power prices are insane, it will take you 15 years to recuperate your investment in a "gold" power supply (more energy efficient).
I've been kicking around the idea of a new PC as well.
The Asus Maximus VII Hero seems very expensive to me for a MB at over $200. What am I getting for that price compared to the slew of MBs in the 125-150 range?
I generally think for most components there is a value "sweet spot" above which the price/performance ratio really starts getting prohibitive, and my experience, perhaps dated, is that motherboards tend to come in around $150 or so for a good, high feature, high quality board that isn't the absolute latest and greatest where you are paying a premium for marginal increases in performance/functionality.
Quote from: Berkut on June 11, 2015, 10:56:57 PM
The Asus Maximus VII Hero seems very expensive to me for a MB at over $200. What am I getting for that price compared to the slew of MBs in the 125-150 range?
Overclokcing capabilities (it's very easy to do in the BIOS interface, lots of options for voltage regulations, notably), no fans on the MB, very low operating temperature, Z97 chipset, LEDs, outstanding audio card, cool colors, USB Bios flashback, more SATA connectors (8, instead of 4 as usual), Keybot is a nice feature but of doubtful utility. But there are LEDs. Nice red LEDs. And blue ones too. Oh, 3 year warranty, but some other Asus boards offer 5 years.
So, basically, this board has LEDs, the others don't. Easy choice.
Quote from: viper37 on June 11, 2015, 07:22:40 PM
Intel i7 4670k for CPU
You mean Intel i5 4670K right?
Quote from: Valmy on June 17, 2015, 07:23:47 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 11, 2015, 07:22:40 PM
Intel i7 4670k for CPU
You mean Intel i5 4670K right?
yes, i5, sorry. I think it's a tad slow outside of gaming, but it's a good processor to game. I have this and I have no problems cranking the performances.
The i7 4790k would cost you at least 200$ more and I'm not sure it's worth it.
Here is my problem Viper my budget tops out at $700 and I find that hard to get with your recommendations :(. I am going to go by Fry's tomorrow to see what they have and recommend.
Also I find assembling the parts and putting it together a big intimidating. But I guess so long as I have done it before it should be straight forward. It has been awhile though. Though all the fans and modern cooling systems is a little :ph34r:
Viper doesn't build cheap system.
Quote from: Valmy on June 18, 2015, 08:17:01 AM
Here is my problem Viper my budget tops out at $700 and I find that hard to get with your recommendations :(. I am going to go by Fry's tomorrow to see what they have and recommend.
Also I find assembling the parts and putting it together a big intimidating. But I guess so long as I have done it before it should be straight forward. It has been awhile though. Though all the fans and modern cooling systems is a little :ph34r:
Well, you could buy the parts on-line then seek a store that does the assembly. Or buy it all from a shop like NCIX US with price-match, and pay them 50$ so they assemble it for you.
So, that 700$, that includes keyboard, mice and monitor? I don't think I can fit in your budget with all that :unsure:
I'll check the site I gave you, will try to reduce costs.
So, I went back to the drawing board. And I can't fit your budget with Intel.
I'm at 700$:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JwLjkL (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/JwLjkL)
And I have no video card. Although I have a MSI Twin Frozr 7950 I could sell you at a decent price, including shipping.
I've built on with AMD:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rF7Z3C (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/rF7Z3C)
629$.
Figure 150$CAN for my video card, plus shipping.
Same as on E-bay: (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/MSI-AMD-Radeon-HD-7950-3GB-GDDR5-PCI-Express-Video-Card-R7950-TWIN-FROZR-3GD5-/131528683606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9fb87056)
EDIT:
I've lowered the Intel CPU:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/66k83C (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/66k83C)
667$ + video card.
If your case and your power supply are still good, you could keep those. Price goes down to 485$.
Quote from: Grey Fox on June 18, 2015, 08:17:52 AM
Viper doesn't build cheap system.
that's explains why I didn't last long as a computer seller :(
Viper, I was thinking about waiting until Aug/Sept to see what skylake is like and what it does to other prices before I buy my next gaming rig. Have you heard anything about what to expect from the new chip?
Quote from: crazy canuck on June 18, 2015, 07:08:51 PM
Viper, I was thinking about waiting until Aug/Sept to see what skylake is like and what it does to other prices before I buy my next gaming rig. Have you heard anything about what to expect from the new chip?
not really. I went and googled it. Apparently, it's 5-10% faster than mid-range current i7 offerings from Intel. But I don't trust these benchmarks just yet. The product is unreleased to the general public and there might be Windows adjustements or simply the new DX12 that will change benchmarks.
I don't think it will have a significant effect on prices. I've been looking at the i7-4790k since last fall, and if I check a price history here:
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i74790k?history_days=365
it pretty much confirms that the prices have been flat for a year. And why not? The only competition for these CPUs is from Intel's newer products, and well, they've already had a new chipset released this summer and it didn't effect prices. Intel usually has an overlong creaming strategy with its new CPUs, they are priced high for consumers that want the latest, than they slowly get rid of the old stock. They can afford to wait, contrary to AMD.
It may be that prices will lower around november, but between here and September, I very much doubt that Intel's prices are going down. If they go down significantly, it will be because AMD's new chip, when it arrives next winter, will bring some competition to Intel in the gaming market.
Other products prices may go down though, but that is not related to Intel's new offering.
Thanks :)
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 03:40:48 PM
So, that 700$, that includes keyboard, mice and monitor? I don't think I can fit in your budget with all that :unsure:
Oh no. Just the box.
Quote from: Valmy on June 19, 2015, 09:17:18 PM
Quote from: viper37 on June 18, 2015, 03:40:48 PM
So, that 700$, that includes keyboard, mice and monitor? I don't think I can fit in your budget with all that :unsure:
Oh no. Just the box.
look at the links I posted, it's a basis for work.
Thanks that should be all the info I need. I will let you know what I end up with.
Build a performance gaming PC for 620$ (http://www.zdnet.com/article/build-a-performance-gaming-pc-for-620/)
They include monitor and Windows license.
So, I took as the basis for a new kit. I built it with 16gb RAM, that's not too much considering you are sharing 2 with the video card.
I used a 2TB hard drive.
I've added a low end GPU, the R7 250. This is the only one that will work with AMD Dual Graphics (wich is bullshit, imho, but if you're on a budget, it will give you better performance than the APU)
So here's the build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7HjxK8
671$
I have no idea how it works in real life conditions with DA:I. I remain unconvinced the R7 GPU would make that much of a difference, it is equivalent to the bonus with Crossfire enabled, after all. Might want to invest in a bigger GPU, even start with no GPU, see how it goes, then add a R9 280x, or 270x worst case scenario.
Wow, you can do it Viper.
I am impress.
Never doubt me! :P
Yeah, I am impressed viper!
OK, do me now!
Budget: ~$1000
DO not need a new case or OS. Probably don't need a power supply either, for that matter.
Must have a SSD drive though.
Go!
Quote from: Berkut on June 23, 2015, 12:21:53 PM
Yeah, I am impressed viper!
OK, do me now!
Budget: ~$1000
DO not need a new case or OS. Probably don't need a power supply either, for that matter.
Must have a SSD drive though.
Go!
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mDhzwP
998.63$
2TB WD black.
If you need more storage and are willing to compromise on speed, a WD Green 4TB could do. It's about half speed as WD black, in my experience.
I have bad experiences with Seagate in the past, but apparently, they have fixed their problem now. I can't see the price right now, but maybe the ST4000DM000 is cheapper than the WD black.
Also, both Seagate and Western Digital have hybrid SSD-HDD at affordable prices. Slower than the fastest SSD, faster than all HDD but more storage than regular SSD. It's cheaper than 1 SSD+1 HDD. Is it good, is it reliable? I'm not very sure... I would hesitate at putting something very valuable on this type of drive, but I could be too cautious. And did I say I don't trust Seagate? ;)
Above 4tb hdd, there isn't much in terms of "performance hard drive". You get into NAS regular drives or helium drives (8tb and more) wich are insanely priced. Imho, 4tb is the sweet spot for a hard drive.
I picked the 290x because it was presently cheaper than a GTX 970. If power consumption is really an issue for you, Nvidia would be the better choice, albeit pricier by a few $$.
Yeah, I can't imagine why a hybrid would be better. Is it transparent? Meaning, does it show up as just one drive to the user, and the controller decides how to place data or something?
I was actually thinking about the Samsung 850, but would likely just go with the 850-Evo. From what I've seen, it is pretty much impossible to see the difference with the Pro, and for another $30 I would rather have a 500GB SSD that runs basically just as fast.
Did a little hybrid research.
It does look like a pretty good idea, especially for applications where you simply would not bear the expense of a SSD, like a laptop.
I imagine even if you put your OS, for example, on a SSD, in reality only a small fraction of the files in the OS are being accessed a lot. A hybrid that manages that caching for you transparently is a pretty great idea. I think for myself though I am just going to go with a half TB SSD along with a traditional 2 TB HD.
I wonder if it would make sense to go with a dedicated SSD and a hybrid? At the 4TB level the price difference between standard and hybrid are not that great at all...
Quote from: Berkut on June 24, 2015, 08:33:12 AM
Yeah, I can't imagine why a hybrid would be better. Is it transparent? Meaning, does it show up as just one drive to the user, and the controller decides how to place data or something?
I was actually thinking about the Samsung 850, but would likely just go with the 850-Evo. From what I've seen, it is pretty much impossible to see the difference with the Pro, and for another $30 I would rather have a 500GB SSD that runs basically just as fast.
More storage per dollar (as of right now)- hybrids move infrequently accessed data to traditional platters. SSD prices are plummeting though, thanks to 3D NAND, so hybrids and standard HDDs will probably going the way of the cassette tape in the not-too-distant future.
Yeah, I was pretty stunned at how far prices had come down since I looked last time.
Not sure the traditional hard drive is going to go away though - the price/GB for them is still a fraction of a SSD price...
I think durability may be the reason for the Pro's existence.
Traditional hard drives will probably still exist as mass storage devices. I have a NAS.
It'd be nice if more cases included more slots for 2.5 " drives.
Quote from: Berkut on June 24, 2015, 08:33:12 AM
Yeah, I can't imagine why a hybrid would be better. Is it transparent? Meaning, does it show up as just one drive to the user, and the controller decides how to place data or something?
It is supposed to be that way. It's like having a really, really big cache on the HDD.
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I was actually thinking about the Samsung 850, but would likely just go with the 850-Evo. From what I've seen, it is pretty much impossible to see the difference with the Pro, and for another $30 I would rather have a 500GB SSD that runs basically just as fast.
It is possible. I have the Evo in the office, it was very cheap, and it runs decently fast for office applications.
Quote from: Berkut on June 24, 2015, 09:13:46 AM
Did a little hybrid research.
It does look like a pretty good idea, especially for applications where you simply would not bear the expense of a SSD, like a laptop.
I imagine even if you put your OS, for example, on a SSD, in reality only a small fraction of the files in the OS are being accessed a lot. A hybrid that manages that caching for you transparently is a pretty great idea. I think for myself though I am just going to go with a half TB SSD along with a traditional 2 TB HD.
I wonder if it would make sense to go with a dedicated SSD and a hybrid? At the 4TB level the price difference between standard and hybrid are not that great at all...
The thing is, with some SSDs, if you unplug them for a few days, or a few months, they lose all data.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on June 24, 2015, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: Berkut on June 24, 2015, 08:33:12 AM
Yeah, I can't imagine why a hybrid would be better. Is it transparent? Meaning, does it show up as just one drive to the user, and the controller decides how to place data or something?
I was actually thinking about the Samsung 850, but would likely just go with the 850-Evo. From what I've seen, it is pretty much impossible to see the difference with the Pro, and for another $30 I would rather have a 500GB SSD that runs basically just as fast.
More storage per dollar (as of right now)- hybrids move infrequently accessed data to traditional platters. SSD prices are plummeting though, thanks to 3D NAND, so hybrids and standard HDDs will probably going the way of the cassette tape in the not-too-distant future.
You'll still see traditional HDDs in very large sizes. They may not develop any more products like the Velociraptors wich is a very fast hard drive, instead relying on SSD and more conventional HDDs.
And SSDs can lose your data if they are left powerless for a while.
http://www.pcgamer.com/build-of-the-week-victorian-desktop/
Want. This. Now. :lol:
Well I got it and put it all together and it works pretty great except Time Warner super lowered the signal strength of our wireless signal once we switched our TV service to DirecTV. So I have to get that problem cleared up before I can get Dragon Age Inquisition up and running on it and see how it looks.