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QuoteCoaches are always getting second-guessed. Arizona's Rich Rodriguez decided to give the fans an actual chance to make their calls as the Wildcats went through their spring game on Friday.
Rodriguez headed into the stands, mic in hand, and sought out some of the Wildcat faithful.
He made certain the first "play-caller" hadn't been tailgaiting before giving him the opportunity to try and get Arizona into the end zone.
Spring games provide a time for fun. Coach Rodriguez took it to a great new level.

Quote from: Berkut on April 12, 2015, 03:57:34 PM
RichRod really is just awesome. He always shows up at the basketball games, his family is totally into the community, he really buys into being a part of the Arizona family, not just some aloof "God of Football" who isn't willing to mix with the masses.

Maybe it is all part of his scheme, but who cares? It works, and he finally has Arizona football moving in the right direction.

Now, if he could just start landing some blue chip recruits...

QuoteLawrence Phillips accused of murdering his prison cellmate

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 13, 2015, 7:18 PM EDT

Lawrence Phillips, the troubled running back who is remembered as one of the great busts in the history of the NFL draft, is accused of murdering his prison cellmate.

Phillips, who is currently serving a 31-year sentence in a California state prison for convictions on charges including auto theft and spousal abuse, has now been named as the suspect in the death of his cellmate, a convicted murderer named Damion Soward.

NBC San Diego reports that prison officials confirmed today that they believe Phillips killed Soward, who was found unresponsive in his cell early Saturday morning and died on Sunday. Soward was one of two inmates murdered in the Kern Valley State Prison over the weekend. The other victim, a 41-year-old man, is also believed to have been killed by his cellmate.

Phillips was a superstar running back at Nebraska who was controversially allowed to keep playing for the Cornhuskers even after multiple run-ins with the law. His NFL career was a disaster: The Rams drafted Phillips with the sixth overall pick in 1996, but he was a constant troublemaker off the field and a bad player on the field, and the team cut him after two disappointing seasons. He briefly played for the Dolphins and 49ers after that; his most notable play was a missed block that led to Hall of Famer Steve Young taking a blindside hit and suffering a career-ending concussion.

Phillips has been incarcerated at Kern Valley State Prison since 2008.

Quote from: jimmy olsen on April 13, 2015, 09:54:30 PM
I'm starting to think the Rams made a mistake in drafting him.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on May 02, 2015, 06:51:48 PM
Well, it's a question of timing. It's actually a good thing for next year if your team hasn't got many players in the draft. Not so much if there are lots of them but they just don't get drafted.  :P

QuoteIf Michigan State's the little brother, why didn't he use his family connections to get into a better school?

It's a good idea to play Minnesota football in the cold. You don't wanna smell any of that when it warms up and gets ripe.

They've turned that talent level around. Before 2013, the last team to draft a Minnesota football player was "The Marines".

Notre Dame players hit that "Play Like A Champion Today" sign, and dang if they don't look like a ten dollar sweatshirt you got in 1993.

Don't think Michigan fans should be torn up about the Notre Dame rivalry ending. If they want to play a religious school that goes .500 against USC, Boston College is free.

Rudy and The Lego Movie are basically the same story, except nobody pretends The Lego Movie is a documentary.

Andy Katzenmoyer's never been asked to dot the I because he'd need a map.

It must've killed Woody Hayes to know he'd be remembered for throwing something, not running.

If Urban Meyer wants to coach somewhere with three non-NFL grade quarterbacks and leave a toxic mess where no one will notice, the Cleveland Browns are ready when he is.

If defeating Alabama meant you deserved a playoff spot then obesity gets an automatic three seed at least.

The Terp's a fine mascot since it lays eggs and sleeps through most of the fall.

I'm joking, Maryland's not all bad. They remind me a lot of an SEC fanbase. Mostly the racial slurs, but other things, too.

I'd guess any valley with electricity is a pretty happy one in Pennsylvania, relatively speaking.

The Spartans are doing real well right now. Historically speaking, that run'll end with them going two thousand years without making another bowl game.

Condemned strays at animal shelters pay celebrities to make commercials to get Purdue football adopted.

Hitchcock never released North by Northwestern, the sequel where the crop duster fumbles twice and only scores two field goals.

What do Nebraska football and bad husbands both have in common? Even at their best, they both go down four times a year.

QuoteUConn-UCF is Now a Rivalry, Confusion Ensues

Look, the American Athletic Conference is a pretty new league. Apart from perhaps UCF-USF, there really aren't any matchups with any sort of historical significance to them. And hey, those kind of matchups are what college football is all about, right? So it would definitely be cool if a couple of teams developed some kind of...

QuoteFirst day back on campus for #UConnFootball!  And just 130 days until the next Civil Conflict with @UCF_Football !  (https://twitter.com/UConnFootball/status/605453150330470400/photo/1)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGb_HNRWgAAMiEj.jpg)

wait what nooooooooooo UConn that's not how rivalries work

There are a lot of confusing aspects to this, namely the fact that UConn and UCF have no sort of history whatsoever. They've played twice, with the Knights trouncing the Huskies 62-17 in 2013 and UConn pulling a 37-29 upset in 2014. They're also not connected by any sort of geographic ties, and likely never would have played each other ever if not for conference realignment making for some really odd bedfellows. Also, the Civil Conflict sounds like in-laws bickering at a family barbecue.

To be fair, UConn head coach Bob Diaco did mention that he'd like to start some sort of trophy series with the Knights after the Huskies' win last season. It's nice to see Diaco is rewarding his team's one conference win accordingly.

UPDATE: UCF apparently had no idea about any of this. We're getting suspicious, Bob Diaco.

QuoteJust checked w/ @UCF_Football: "We have no involvement with the trophy or creating a rivalry game with UConn." They were surprised by tweet. (https://twitter.com/UCFSports/status/605494774632570880)

QuoteIt's time to bronze another sweater vest. Ohio State announced Wednesday that former football coach Jim Tressel will be one of the 15 inductees to the university's athletic hall of fame this year.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 04, 2015, 03:18:49 PM
Apparently it all started pre-Patterson.  Also, they aren't exactly....Bellmont friendly...there.

Quote from: Valmy on August 20, 2015, 11:47:13 AM
I find that hard to believe. It took them more than two years of effort to get that done? Nice use of resources there Bellmont.

Anyway I was not happy with this hire at all when it happened. Time has shown my concerns were greatly insufficient. Steve Patterson is destroying this Athletic Department. Just what we needed after the complacent days of the end of the Dodds era.

He goes out of his way to alienate everybody. It is like he does not understand what his job is. UT basically hired Dan Snyder to be their AD. I am starting to take this personally Football Gods.

The only nice thing is Steve Patterson can be fired so I don't have to just patiently wait for his death.

Here you go: http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/texas-longhorns-big-12-steve-patterson-toxic-culture-joel-klatt-audible-clip-081915

Starts at 1:30. If the Fox Sports dudes can see it then surely even the morons on the BOR will eventually.

I understand Michigan hired a similar dude with similar results so I think grumbler will understand a bit.

Quote from: grumbler on August 20, 2015, 06:41:36 PM
So, good luck with Patterson, Texas.  Ann Arbor Torch and Pitchfork is having a going-out-of-business sale; maybe you can get some needed equipment cheap.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on August 21, 2015, 09:22:20 AM
Colorado's gonna turn it around this year and go to the Rose Bowl.

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:12:44 AM
How about Baylor accepting that abuser transfer and then covering up for his rape? Baylor going to Baylor. It is amazing what they will tolerate over there.

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 02:04:41 PM
Ok this is blowing up. Briles has got to be finished. Amazing.

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 06:01:52 PM

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 02:04:41 PM
Ok this is blowing up. Briles has got to be finished. Amazing.

Why? Assuming there isn't conclusive evidence that Briles is lying of course.

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
The player stays on campus and is not removed from the team, scholarship intact, despite being charged and indicted... ...He is ready to bring this guy back on the team so long as he is innocent of the charges as if Briles, the dude 100% responsible for this situation, could not be bothered to make a call based on the evidence himself.

QuoteOh and the whole thing is hid from the media for two years obviously so they can bring him back with no fuss.

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 07:45:40 PM

Well lets see.

He brought a player on campus who had a history of domestic abuse. Within a few months that player violently raped a female student athlete. No serious investigation is launched. The player stays on campus and is not removed from the team, scholarship intact, despite being charged and indicted. Meanwhile his victim has her scholarship removed (not quite as bad as it sounds but close) and eventually she leaves school. He is ready to bring this guy back on the team so long as he is innocent of the charges as if Briles, the dude 100% responsible for this situation, could not be bothered to make a call based on the evidence himself. Oh and the whole thing is hid from the media for two years obviously so they can bring him back with no fuss.

But really the whole country knows about it. The Waco machine cannot eat it up like they do with normal Baylor shenanigans.

Quote from: dps on August 21, 2015, 08:28:41 PM
How was it hidden from the media if he was indicted?

QuoteWhile the player's past history makes it worse in this case (and the fact that Petersen allegedly made Briles aware of it), I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of taking someone's scholarship and kicking them out of school based solely on an accusation.

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 09:18:33 PM

It isn't like he admitted the guy to the school. Normally admissions has the main say in stuff like this, as well as discipline for players that are in trouble with the law.

QuoteAlso, he isn't responsible for whether the player stays on campus. Plus what dps said.

QuoteI really don't get the outrage about player crimes and holding coaches responsible. So this guy was bad news--probably a serious risk to rape or otherwise abuse women. Baylor didn't make him such a risk. By bringing him on campus, Baylor kept him from being a risk in some other community and brought the risk to their campus. Had they not done so, the risk would have been left somewhere other than Baylor. Either way, the collective risk to the women of America is unchanged.

QuoteNow I can see why members of the Baylor community would be upset, but that doesn't seem to be where a lot of the outrage is coming from.

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:29:10 PM

I am curious what you saw in my post that led you to think this was the case. We had an incident at UT where a student was raped by two football players. Coach Strong suspended them, looked into it, and kicked them out. That was that in just a couple days.  Did you read my post?

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:41:37 PM

:unsure: What now?

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 09:44:14 PM

Let me point out there are two approaches to discipline.

There is the Charlie Strong method, which is lauded by everyone, that has a current win / loss record at UT that is going to result in a rather short tenure if it doesn't improve.

Then there is the Jimbo Fisher method, which involves Jameis Winston QBing the team to a national title and heisman trophy. This method will likely end up with a statue to Jimbo Fisher outside the stadium (which may have a part named for him) if results continue and he sticks around. It might also involve his wife seeing his approach to morality and deciding it is okay to get banged by her personal trainer half her age and a UF grad, though that could be for other unrelated reasons (such as inabilty to perform in the bedroom).

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 09:47:17 PM

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:41:37 PM

:unsure: What now?

Bad people are going to do bad things. Whether or not they play football for Baylor is up to Baylor, and ultimately Baylor's problem.

IMO.

Obviously the justice system needs to function and obstruction of justice by a football coach or university is unacceptable.

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:47:48 PM

And stealing crab legs and screaming obscenities is not quite the same thing. Though maybe you are right. What was on his rap sheet again?

Quote
Sexual assault allegation

In November 2013, State Attorney Willie Meggs of the Second Judicial Circuit opened an investigation into an allegation that Winston had sexually assaulted a classmate the previous year. The initial complaint had been filed with the Tallahassee Police Department (TPD) on December 7, 2012;[33] the TPD had classified the case as open/inactive in February 2013.[34][35][36] On December 5, 2013, Meggs announced the completion of the investigation, filing no charges. He stated: "As prosecutors, we only bring charges for cases where the evidence will result in a likely conviction at trial. In this case, the evidence does not show that."[37]

The New York Times published the conclusions of its own investigation in April 2014, asserting that neither the TPD nor FSU had genuinely investigated the initial report. Though a medical examination of the victim revealed bruised knees and semen on the woman's body—and the victim would identify Winston by name as her attacker a month later, Tallahassee police reportedly never obtained a DNA sample from Winston, never interviewed him, nor attempted to obtain video of the encounter taken by Seminoles teammate Chris Casher. The investigation was conducted by Officer Scott Angulo, who, the Times‍ '​ article notes, did private security work for the Seminole Boosters, the primary financier of Florida State athletics.[38]

The official FSU hearing, presided over by retired Florida Supreme Court Justice Major B. Harding, on December 21, 2014, cleared Winston of violating the student conduct code in the sexual assault allegation.[39][40] An extract from Harding's decision[41] is below.

    I do not find the credibility of one story substantially stronger than that of the other. Both have their own strengths and weaknesses. I cannot find with any confidence that the events as set forth by you, (accuser), or a particular combination thereof is more probable than not as required to find you responsible for a violation of the Code. Therein lies the determinative factor of my decision.

Gun complaint

In 2012, Winston and another FSU player were held by campus police for allegedly bringing a BB gun on campus and firing at squirrels. Officers handcuffed Winston but he was later released when it was noticed he was not on campus and the gun was just a BB gun. No charges were filed against Winston in this incident.[42]
Shoplifting incidents

In July 2013, a Burger King employee called police in July to complain that Winston was stealing soda. According to the police report, Winston came in to the restaurant with three men, but did not order any food. An employee, who recognized him, first saw him using ketchup cups to take some soda. He asked for a water cup after she told him to stop, but he said he would use it for soda and filled it repeatedly with soda over her objections, the report said.[43] On April 29, 2014, Winston was issued an adult civil citation for shoplifting crab legs from a Tallahassee Publix store.[44] Winston was ordered to undergo 20 hours of community service and was suspended from any college baseball activity until he completed his community service.
Vulgar comments

On September 17, 2014, Winston was suspended for the first half of Florida State's upcoming game against Clemson. The Guardian reported that "several students tweeted" that Winston shouted, "Fuck her right in the pussy!" an Internet meme,[45] while standing atop a table in Florida State University's Student Union.[46] Two days later, university president Garnett S. Stokes and athletic director Stan Wilcox, citing results of an "ongoing investigation", announced that Winston would be suspended for the whole game.[47]

Quote from: Valmy on August 21, 2015, 09:29:10 PM

Quote from: dps on August 21, 2015, 08:28:41 PM
How was it hidden from the media if he was indicted?

Because it was? It took an investigation by Texas Monthly two years after the incident took place for it to get out. Now granted it was all public record but you have to actually, you know, look it up.

Quote

QuoteWhile the player's past history makes it worse in this case (and the fact that Petersen allegedly made Briles aware of it), I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of taking someone's scholarship and kicking them out of school based solely on an accusation.

I am curious what you saw in my post that led you to think this was the case. We had an incident at UT where a student was raped by two football players. Coach Strong suspended them, looked into it, and kicked them out. That was that in just a couple days.  Did you read my post?

QuoteDid you read mine?  I said I'm not comfortable with taking away a student-athlete's scholarship and kicking them out base just on an accusation.  I don't see how Charlie Strong doing otherwise is supposed to make me more comfortable with it.

The whole issue of college athletes and crime is a tricky area.  "Guilty until proven innocent" is an important legal concept IMO, but OTOH, I don't particularly want to see college teams composed of murderers, thieve, rapists, arsonists, etc.  Where guilt is very clear, I don't think you have to wait for a confession or conviction, but some degree of caution needs to be used, otherwise you end up with a situation like that with that lacrosse team a few years ago, where the entire program was axed based on what turned out to be apparently false charges.

QuoteDan Beebe ‏@DanBeebe  20h20 hours ago
ART BRILES CAREER IS SO DEAD THAT DAVE BLISS IS TRYING TO COVER IT UP AS WE SPEAK

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
Also he called himself a seminole after the native american tribe, played with a spear on his helmet in some faux reference to the tribe, and led his fans in some "tomahawk chop" warchant that was not only highly offensive but also rather militant for a sporting event. When a student rode a horse into the center of the field dressed up in warpaint and threw down a flaming spear, he said not a word in protest.

The school didn't even criticize him for these actions.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 22, 2015, 11:45:48 AM

QuoteDan Beebe ‏@DanBeebe  20h20 hours ago
ART BRILES CAREER IS SO DEAD THAT DAVE BLISS IS TRYING TO COVER IT UP AS WE SPEAK

:lol:  Damn.

https://twitter.com/DanBeebe

E:  Dude only ended up with 6 months in jail and 10 years probation?

Quote from: Valmy on August 22, 2015, 11:44:34 AM
But the main reason I thought Briles was in trouble was because this had gotten out to the national media circus and the Baylor alumni are not going to like that at all.

Quote from: Valmy on August 22, 2015, 11:47:39 AM

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
Also he called himself a seminole after the native american tribe, played with a spear on his helmet in some faux reference to the tribe, and led his fans in some "tomahawk chop" warchant that was not only highly offensive but also rather militant for a sporting event. When a student rode a horse into the center of the field dressed up in warpaint and threw down a flaming spear, he said not a word in protest.

The school didn't even criticize him for these actions.

I wore a burgundy t-shirt with an offensive symbol and racist slur on it to school once at Southwestern and at UT and I was not forcibly removed from campus. Nobody even made me change shirts. Disgusting. Everybody at both schools should be fired.

QuoteIF YOU LIKE: imagining living life as Saved by the Bell's Zach Morris*, in which you never face actual challenges, can skip tests and alienate others, and still have all of your friends, teachers, and principal willing to lie on the ground and die for you for no real reason. Even your best friend, who hates you, seems to simultaneously do nothing but think of things to do for you, when he's not wearing Hammer pants and trying to get to third base with the three women who are apparently allowed to attend your high school. Your school is kind of weird.

YOU'LL LOVE: Ohio State.

QuoteIF YOU LIKE: Alcohol, being really good at many things but never quite the best at anything, alcohol, cheese, alcohol, "Apollo 13," never complaining about the weather, ice fishing, making sausage out of nontraditional meats, sturdy pants, keeping the windows open in sub 20 degree weather, alcohol. God, alcohol is great. Have you ever stood in a snowdrift while wearing shorts and felt nothing at all? That's the good stuff. Also, cheese.

YOU'LL LOVE: Wisconsin.

QuoteIF YOU LIKE: That moment in "Air Force One" when someone spoils Michigan-Notre Dame for the President by telling him that Michigan won by 1, which would definitely happen and would actually cause the President to have that staffer heaved off the plane, which is what he should have done with that film crew who were SO OBVIOUSLY terrorists I mean come ON did no one do a security screening? Was no one like, "wait, who are you with?" Were they even CREDENTIALED? Did you not make some fucking phone calls? Are you EVEN FUCKING TRYING? INACCURATE ACTION MOVIES ARE A BANE ON THIS NATION'S GOOD NAME.

YOU'LL LOVE: Michigan.

QuoteIF YOU LIKE: Defending traditions. They just don't understand, do they? It's a conspiracy, it really is. People telling you that "your offensive line is butt" and "your quarterback went through more emotional upheaval than Drake did after he got shot on that episode of Degrassi" is just MORE anti-you sentiment based on nothing but LIES and PURPOSEFUL MISINTERPRETING OF THE FACTS because YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING and YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN FROM HERE AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT OUR AWESOME ICE CREAM STORE AND PUT THE STATUE BACK UP AND MICHIGAN GOT TWO SECONDS BACK IN 2005 AND EVERYONE IS A CHEATER EXCEPT FOR US BECAUSE WE DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY RIGHT MATT MILLEN YEAH RIGHT

YOU'LL LOVE: Penn State.

QuoteIF YOU LIKE: Not really being good enough, but that's cool. You've got dreams. And you're not like THOSE assholes. You know the ones. Other side of the state, think they're SO special. They don't even TALK about you, but you know they think about you all the time. I mean, you think about THEM all the time so obviously they think about you EVEN MORE. You've been to Pasadena! You're a winner! No one can tell you what to do! Especially not those douchebags. Bunch of self-obsessed dicks, you say to yourself, carefully making your "scUM" user image for when you comment on MLive.com stories. You comment a lot.

YOU'LL LOVE: Michigan State.

Quote from: alfred russel on August 21, 2015, 10:24:31 PM
Also he called himself a seminole after the native american tribe, played with a spear on his helmet in some faux reference to the tribe, and led his fans in some "tomahawk chop" warchant that was not only highly offensive but also rather militant for a sporting event. When a student rode a horse into the center of the field dressed up in warpaint and threw down a flaming spear, he said not a word in protest.

The school didn't even criticize him for these actions.

Quote from: grumbler on August 24, 2015, 08:35:29 PM
Man, those are so right on!

Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Sad they were too lazy to write a joke about Penn State instead of just pasting in quotes from their alumni.

Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
The more I look at this Notre Dame-Texas match-up the more I am convinced I should drink heavily before kickoff.

Quote from: Valmy on August 25, 2015, 02:35:58 PM
The more I look at this Notre Dame-Texas match-up the more I am convinced I should drink heavily before kickoff.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 25, 2015, 07:48:46 PM
"Classic helmet game?" :unsure:

Quote from: alfred russel on August 25, 2015, 07:57:44 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on August 25, 2015, 07:48:46 PM
"Classic helmet game?" :unsure:

Shorthand for a game between two schools that have lots of history. If someone went into a coma in the 1980s and awoke to see the schools playing, they would think, "this will be a good game."

Louisville vs. Oregon would not be a classic helmet game, even if the teams are awesome.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2015, 09:30:56 AM
What the hell is that

Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Holy shit I love that flag.

Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2015, 11:27:39 AM
So apparently the college football experts have the Michigan opener as a gimme, since they have a "cupcake" game against Utah.

Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2015, 10:19:59 AM

Quote from: derspiess on August 26, 2015, 10:18:40 AM
Holy shit I love that flag.

:lol: I knew you would dig it.

Quote from: Valmy on August 26, 2015, 09:32:56 AM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on August 26, 2015, 09:30:56 AM
What the hell is that

Anti-Irish stuff. I thought it was cute, if tempting the Gods a bit.

Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2015, 02:59:18 PM

Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2015, 11:27:39 AM
So apparently the college football experts have the Michigan opener as a gimme, since they have a "cupcake" game against Utah.

Get new experts.  Michigan is a 6-point underdog in that game, and rightfully so.

Quote from: Berkut on August 26, 2015, 04:51:53 PM
Who could possibly trump Popular Mechanics as college football experts?

Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
he even has them staying in non-AC dorms to heighten the discomfort

Quote from: alfred russel on August 27, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
I was thinking, "whoa, hardcore" then remembered they are in Michigan. Wtf is up with AC in Michigan being dorm rooms in the first place? 

Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
unlike Bo's intro, nobody is leaving.

Quote from: alfred russel on August 27, 2015, 07:03:14 PM

Quote from: grumbler on August 26, 2015, 05:15:41 PM
unlike Bo's intro, nobody is leaving.

Well yeah, but the team Hoke left behind probably doesn't many good transfer options.  :P

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on August 27, 2015, 06:40:43 PM
Man, Michigan turns into a swamp in the summer. You need AC for more than a couple days. I'd be cranking it just to get the humidity down.

Quote from: PDH on August 27, 2015, 04:32:22 PM
Under the new coach Wyoming went back to basics.  One home set, one away set for uniforms.  If not having Cowboy-Camo jerseys drives off some recruits, having a coach that actually wants to focus on playing better might eventually mean a better team...

Quote from: Grey Fox on August 30, 2015, 08:17:31 PM
Are all NCAA football players, in the bowl division atleast, tuition-free students?

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 01, 2015, 08:37:14 AM
America! :)

Quote from: Grey Fox on September 01, 2015, 08:37:14 AM
America! :)

Quote from: Valmy on September 03, 2015, 11:16:53 AM
Season starts tonight. Everybody enjoy UTSA upsetting Arizona.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 03, 2015, 11:21:40 AM
I'm sure Berkut will enjoy that immensely.

Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2015, 11:28:37 PM
Arizona kind of looks like ass.

Quote from: dps on September 04, 2015, 05:41:11 AM

Quote from: Berkut on September 03, 2015, 11:28:37 PM
Arizona kind of looks like ass.

I didn't see that game, but going by the score, their defense needs to improve a lot if they want to accomplish much this season.

Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2015, 06:32:16 PM
Rough start there PDH. That is going to make selling Wyoming to the Big 12 harder.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2015, 07:14:12 PM
Secondary: not very good so far

Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2015, 07:41:19 PM
But compared to the offensive line they are all Thorpe candidates.

Quote from: dps on September 05, 2015, 04:38:27 PM
Berkut, do you have an actual crew of your own this year, or are things still a mess like last year?

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2015, 09:41:42 PM
They had a chance, but it requires an offense than can stay on the field at least a little.  When the QB can't throw, can't run, and can't read the DE on a read option, it doesn't matter how good anyone else is because the ball won't go to them.

Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2015, 09:42:46 PM
And an offensive line that can block. But Texas lacks those things. But the Notre Dame offensive line is amazing, the defense was going to struggle as well.

This was a horrible match-up for Texas.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2015, 09:45:35 PM

The OL wasn't a turnstyle the entire game

Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2015, 10:11:35 PM
Sometimes it was merely bad. A few times it stood up and achieved mediocrity, but those were brief moments of glory.

Quote from: alfred russel on September 05, 2015, 11:15:07 PM
Obviously I hope I'm wrong about this, but in the "is Notre Dame that good?" / "is Texas that bad?" debate I think the answer is more of the latter. The O Line of ND especially should be a strength of the team this year, but I was really surprised how ND dominated the lines of scrimmage.

QuoteProbably no one has an easy time of recruiting as Texas, and while QB is hard to evaluate, Texas of all places should be full of big strong linemen.

QuoteThere isn't a more misleading game to jump to conclusions than the first game, but ND's schedule suddenly looks rather soft. I wonder if the Texas fans agree that this team is going to struggle to have a winning record without significant improvement. Stanford lost to Northwestern and only put up 6 points. BC let Maine hang around. Crazy upsets happen of course, but I think the only 3 ranked teams on the schedule will be Clemson, Georgia Tech, and USC.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 05, 2015, 11:21:45 PM
The reaction is like this because this is exactly what the O looked like at the end of last year as well.  They just kept on doing what they were doing.  The constant seems to be Swoopes.  Even the OL has two freshmen on it.

E:  Val, check out the "Last 38 Offensive Drives" thread over on the Shag.  38 drives, 24 3 and outs, 27 first downs, two TDs, two FGs, 3 defensive TDs (lolwtf the opposing Ds scored more TDs than the Texas O), 5 INTs, 2 fumbles.  That's 38 drives over three games.

Quote from: Valmy on September 05, 2015, 11:30:58 PM
Vahe got abused. But he is a freshman going up against a veteran D-Line.

Yeah Texas' offense is really bad. Everything the pessimists said about Shawn Watson turned out to be true. Swoopes is horrible, one of Mack Browns worst recruiting blunders.

Quote from: alfred russel on September 05, 2015, 11:54:03 PM

I have more profound thoughts that I will post tomorrow. I am drunk and tired.

Quote from: lustindarkness on September 06, 2015, 08:11:08 AM
Looks like Auburn will give us another year of ugly wins. Why do we do this to ourselves? Choose a team to follow and raise our blood pressure.   :D

Quote from: alfred russel on September 05, 2015, 11:54:03 PM
Valmy, I wouldn't bemoan the state of Texas recruiting too much. The state has 2 teams in the top five.

QuoteIt is crazy to me that if you were ranking teams in Texas, the Longhorns would be no better than 4th right now (and I know some people would argue lower). It would be rather epic if they were to beat TCU or Baylor (or aTm if they were to play).

Quote from: grumbler on September 06, 2015, 05:14:35 PM
Texas has the most 3+ star recruits (a bit more than 1300 over the past 5 years), but also the largest # of FBS schools (12). 

Florida has just under 1300 and "only" 7 schools.

New Jersey has had 222 and just one school, but the best of those guys go to Michigan, Ohio State, or Penn State.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/4/15/8143431/states-most-players-recruits (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football-recruiting/2015/4/15/8143431/states-most-players-recruits)

Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2015, 05:29:20 PM
The recruits / school really is only relevant if your school is lower division. It isn't as though many players in Texas are being offered by UT and turning them down to play for Baylor. In Florida it is exceedingly rare that a player has a big 3 offer and stays instate but doesn't go to a big 3 school.

If there are ~1300 top players in Texas, UT really can pick the guys they want with the only really tough instate competition being aTm. Since schools in Texas taking the leftovers are highly successful, I find it hard to come to a conclusion other than UT is in some combination recruiting the wrong guys, not developing the guys they recruit, and/or not using the guys they recruit very well.

Quote from: Valmy on September 06, 2015, 05:33:44 PM

First of all this is not true, guys UT wants do not come to UT all the time.

Quote from: alfred russel on September 06, 2015, 05:46:22 PM
But I assume the texas guys that ditch UT are going out of state if not to aTm (for the most part)? I would think that 90% of the lineups for Texas Tech, Baylor, and TCU didn't have UT offers.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 06, 2015, 05:54:50 PM
:huh:

Richt is 12-2 vs Georgia Tech. Their gimmicky offense may be hard to play against, but they never have a very good defense.

Quote from: PDH on September 06, 2015, 10:11:14 PM
God I hate sometimes being a Wyoming fan.  The team loses to a poor FCS team, they look awful, and I still have to summon the hope to root for them next week.  Since the Black 14 (look it up), Wyoming has had a few good, a couple of decent, and a lot of bad teams.  I fear this is one of the latter...

QuoteI don't think Watson makes it out of the season. I think he is replaced on an interim basis by Jay Norvell.

I think Charlie will regret not making this move in the offseason, loyalty is great and all but you have to be a bit cold blooded sometimes. Besides canning a terrible OC is how Chuck ended up with Watson to begin with.

Quote from: alfred russel on September 12, 2015, 11:19:27 PM
I think today went a long way toward answering that frequently asked post week 1 question: "Is Notre Dame that good, or Texas that bad?"

Sorry about that, Texas fans.

Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2015, 11:18:52 PM
Scooby Wright's replacement at middle linebacker got hurt himself.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2015, 11:23:44 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on September 12, 2015, 11:19:27 PM
I think today went a long way toward answering that frequently asked post week 1 question: "Is Notre Dame that good, or Texas that bad?"

Sorry about that, Texas fans.

Well considering they essentially fired the OC (he doesn't call plays anymore) and replaced the starting QB, you might have been the only one asking that question.

Quote from: alfred russel on September 12, 2015, 11:32:26 PM
:huh: Notre Dame leapfrogged two teams in the AP poll and into the top 10, and lots of articles and talking heads predicted they would be really good this year. Clearly lots of people looked at that Texas game and thought Notre Dame was a quality side.

Quote from: alfred russel on September 12, 2015, 11:19:27 PM
I think today went a long way toward answering that frequently asked post week 1 question: "Is Notre Dame that good, or Texas that bad?"

Sorry about that, Texas fans.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2015, 11:24:19 PM

Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2015, 11:18:52 PM
Scooby Wright's replacement at middle linebacker got hurt himself.

Wow, that's some shitty luck there. 

E:  Hey Berk, weird question:  Why do refs seem to only carry the one flag?  I know it doesn't happen often, but every once in a while, I'll see a hat flying in or a beanbag or something like that because they had already thrown the flag and needed something else.  It's just a yellow...thing...with some sort of weight in it, right?  Why not have a backup?

Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2015, 11:50:11 PM
The thinking is mostly that the very rare situations you will need more than one flag, you will probably need 4, which you won't have anyway, so yeah, lets just start throwing random shit at that point.

Quote from: Valmy on September 12, 2015, 11:52:33 PM

Quote from: Berkut on September 12, 2015, 11:50:11 PM
The thinking is mostly that the very rare situations you will need more than one flag, you will probably need 4, which you won't have anyway, so yeah, lets just start throwing random shit at that point.

Just keep your clothes on Berkut.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2015, 11:24:19 PM
E:  Hey Berk, weird question:  Why do refs seem to only carry the one flag?  I know it doesn't happen often, but every once in a while, I'll see a hat flying in or a beanbag or something like that because they had already thrown the flag and needed something else.  It's just a yellow...thing...with some sort of weight in it, right?  Why not have a backup?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on September 13, 2015, 04:02:57 AM

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 12, 2015, 11:24:19 PM
E:  Hey Berk, weird question:  Why do refs seem to only carry the one flag?  I know it doesn't happen often, but every once in a while, I'll see a hat flying in or a beanbag or something like that because they had already thrown the flag and needed something else.  It's just a yellow...thing...with some sort of weight in it, right?  Why not have a backup?

I thought they threw the hat to mark forward progress or somesuch, not for penalties.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 13, 2015, 12:42:24 AM
Georgia needs a QB.

Quote from: Berkut on September 16, 2015, 01:24:02 AM
There is rumbling in Wildcat land that Greg Byrne might be on the UT short list. That would make me somewhat unhappy.

On the other hand, there is also talk that Byrne dad being the AD at A&M would make the younger not as attractive as one might think to UT...

Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2015, 08:41:19 AM

Quote from: Berkut on September 16, 2015, 01:24:02 AM
There is rumbling in Wildcat land that Greg Byrne might be on the UT short list. That would make me somewhat unhappy.

On the other hand, there is also talk that Byrne dad being the AD at A&M would make the younger not as attractive as one might think to UT...

It was not the fact that Dollah Bill was AD at A&M it was the fact he gave off the strong impression he was an idiot while doing so that was the problem. His hilarious voicemail threatening to kick a fan's ass, always referring to UT as 'our friends in the state capital', and generally trying to be the most Aggie Ag that ever Ag'd was pretty obnoxious. Then there are the rumors his son is trying to introduce A&M traditions to Arizona.

But that is just us fans sitting over here. UT has an interim AD so they will take their sweet time surveying the country and find the right guy. They fucked it up pretty bad last time so they will be careful.

Quote from: Berkut on September 16, 2015, 08:54:52 AM
I suspect that the people making decisions at UT are concerned with much more tangible measures than "trying to introduce A&M traditions", whatever the hell that means.

QuoteByrne the younger is probably one of about 5 or 6 ADs in the country right now that are considered to be at the top of the desirability list. The guy who got both Sean Miller and Rich Rod is looking pretty good right now...

Quote from: Berkut on September 16, 2015, 09:08:40 AM
I will be offended and enraged either way, and blame you personally.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2015, 09:23:44 AM

Twitter wants Matthew McConaughey.

Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2015, 09:29:59 AM
If Luck wants the job it should be his. It should have been his back in 2013.

I bet Charlie Strong hopes it is Jurich  :P

I am having a hard time with this Cal game. I know Texas should lose but they so desperately need to win I am having a hard time being objective enough to get a good feel for it. Like somehow my emotions keep envisioning this miracle where the defensive front pressures Goff.

QuoteIn a world where Texas Tech hired Kliff Kingsbury, is it really so crazy?  :hmm:

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2015, 09:41:02 AM
Speaking of which, apparently a couple days ago Patterson was talking about renovating the Erwin Center and using it for a few more years, ignoring that whole....medical school thing....that is going to be built there.  Supposedly the President was a bit confused by that.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 16, 2015, 09:41:02 AM
"Advisor of all things Texas except proper hookem hand orientation" to the AD.  Fire Plonsky and give Matt her salary. 

Quote from: Valmy on September 16, 2015, 09:43:46 AM
He was lying to manipulate the City of Austin into paying for part (or all) of the new Arena for Texas. That, I suspect, was the straw that broke the camel's back. But he has been trying to pressure the Austin to do that basically since he got there. To tell such an obviously false lie was...rather poor judgement to say the least.

Quote from: Jaron on September 19, 2015, 11:59:44 PM
BYU is slaughtering the UCLA Bruins!

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 20, 2015, 03:45:25 AM
Lambert did very well against South Carolina. First time Georgia's looked like a playoff contender this season. :thumbsup:

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 19, 2015, 11:55:05 PM
Hey did they mic up the band?  And turn down the volume on the giant TV?

Quote from: sbr on September 20, 2015, 02:50:16 PM
#13 Oregon against #18 Utah

Quote from: alfred russel on September 20, 2015, 02:44:35 PM
Texas - Okie State

Quote from: alfred russel on September 20, 2015, 09:14:08 AM

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on September 20, 2015, 03:45:25 AM
Lambert did very well against South Carolina. First time Georgia's looked like a playoff contender this season. :thumbsup:

I wonder what is going to happen against Alabama. I'm not sure I think less of Alabama than I did before the game: some crazy bounces and a crucial missed call went the way of Ole Miss, Bama lost the turnover battle 5-0, and still only lost by 6 with a chance to win at the end. They will also be desperate.

Quote from: PDH on September 20, 2015, 07:45:28 PM
Wyo is 0-3 so far, the first game they lost a QB to a strained knee at the end.  Week 2 the backup broke his collarbone, and yesterday the Week 1 QB hobbled around in a loss.  So far the boys in Brown and Gold have started the 2nd most freshmen of any team, and they play like it.  A long season is getting longer as the Pokes are now 1 hit away from a 3rd stringer who can barely make a screen pass with his noodle arm.

Being a fan of an awful team is hard...

Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2015, 07:28:51 PM
Ouch Texas.

ND is starting a true freshman kicker, but I have an issue with starting freshman kickers and punters. They are spending the first few weeks living away from home for the first time, starting college classes, and, oh yeah, stepping onto a football field for a few brief moments where they are watched by millions and will be incredibly conspicuous in failure.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 26, 2015, 07:57:04 PM
I thought the one handed fumble recovery by the QB and the DL who got tackled being called for holding on a run play were the biggest LOLWTF moments. 

Quote from: alfred russel on September 26, 2015, 08:24:11 PM
Texas has a lot more of a pulse than it looked like they would have after the first game. If they win one of the next two, it will be epic, but if not, it will be interesting to see what happens. If they continue to build, they can win games and maybe get bowl eligible, but starting 1-5 may make the wheels come off the bus.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on September 26, 2015, 08:13:50 PM
I'm not a big fan doxxing the refs, which is going on on the shag right now though.  Yeah, they sucked real bad and absolutely hosed the horns, but ugh.

Quote from: grumbler on September 27, 2015, 06:33:52 AM
Utah might be my auxiliary emergency team to cheer for this year.  Their performance since the first game makes me feel a lot better about that opening game seven-point loss by Michigan.

Quote from: katmai on September 26, 2015, 08:47:56 PM
As shitty as UDub was today looking better than Berkie's Wildcats.  :P

Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
You know, I had this kind of feeling that this years Cats may be in trouble. The defense is just...terrible. I mean, really, really bad. Like some of those guys just don't belong on a D1 field bad.

Quote from: derspiess on September 27, 2015, 10:25:00 AM

Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2015, 09:52:37 AM
You know, I had this kind of feeling that this years Cats may be in trouble. The defense is just...terrible. I mean, really, really bad. Like some of those guys just don't belong on a D1 field bad.

Getting rid of Casteel may help a bit.

Quote from: Berkut on September 27, 2015, 10:29:32 AM
I can't decide - I don't know if Casteel is doing the best with what he has, or if his defense just isn't viable at this level.

The problem is that his defense requires a certain kind of player, and if you recruit that kind of player, you are not recruiting the kinds of players you need for a more traditional defense. So how can you switch once you are down that road?

Plus, it isn't like Arizona is out there contending for 5 star defensive tackles. They don't even consider Arizona, and they certainly don't with Casteel running the defense, and they probably don't even without him.

Casteel's defense supposedly lets the team go after really good, non-traditional (in the size sense) defensive talent. Those 3 star guys who are just not of the right size for their position, but are talented and presumably really fast.

That isn't really working out so great though.

Quote from: Valmy on October 02, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
The last two weeks have left a deep hunger in me to see Texas breakthrough. I want it so bad now I can barely stand it. So sad since I have zero control over the outcome :P

Pumped for tomorrow's game. Beat TCU!

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2015, 11:59:54 AM
Problem:  The punt team can't seem to get that done, so they have to go for it, but if they get first downs and eventually touchdowns, the kicker is going to launch it out of bounds.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2015, 12:31:27 PM
Haha Mike Finger: "Boy, you gotta think burning that timeout here might come back to haunt Texas later."

Quote from: alfred russel on October 03, 2015, 01:39:05 PM
I wonder if this isn't going to be the post WWII high point of TCU football.

Historically Texas has owned the series, and long term they will go back to that. TCU has won bigger games, but short of a national title, I just imagine an old dude watching TCU close out another 3-9 season with his grandson saying, "You know, it wasn't always like this. I remember way back in 2015 when we were top 5 and Texas came in here a huge underdog; Texas knew they had no hope. We were up 30-0 in the first quarter, could have beat them by a hundred if we had tried. If Trevone Boykin didn't tear his ACL against Baylor we would have won the national title that year. Back then you missed the rest of the season with an ACL tear and needed surgery, that was before they came up with an instant spray on cure for ligament damage."

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 02:41:32 PM
My god...Wyoming is the worst 1A team in the country.  Seriously.

Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2015, 02:55:23 PM

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 02:41:32 PM
My god...Wyoming is the worst 1A team in the country.  Seriously.

If only the Texas series had a game this year we could have determined who truly held this title hehe.

Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2015, 01:41:30 PM
Well he might also mention what TCU did to Texas last year as well  :lol:

I am starting to lose any faith this turnaround is going to happen anytime soon. This program has been wretched this entire decade and it seems the decline is still ongoing.

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 03:48:30 PM
21-7 at the half.  Wyoming looks like shit warmed over.  0-12 here they come...

Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2015, 04:06:29 PM

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 03:48:30 PM
21-7 at the half.  Wyoming looks like shit warmed over.  0-12 here they come...

Well, at least they look warmed over.  Could be worse.

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 04:26:12 PM

Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2015, 04:06:29 PM

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 03:48:30 PM
21-7 at the half.  Wyoming looks like shit warmed over.  0-12 here they come...

Well, at least they look warmed over.  Could be worse.

28-7 now.  Afraid the shit is now stale...

Quote from: uwyo.eduCompeting at the NCAA Division I-A level and as a member of the Mountain West Conference, the Cowboys and Cowgirls regularly contest regional and national powers in basketball, cross-country, golf, soccer, swimming, track, tennis, volleyball, and wrestling.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 03, 2015, 04:52:56 PM

Quote from: uwyo.eduCompeting at the NCAA Division I-A level and as a member of the Mountain West Conference, the Cowboys and Cowgirls regularly contest regional and national powers in basketball, cross-country, golf, soccer, swimming, track, tennis, volleyball, and wrestling.

Sounds like you just picked the wrong sport.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 03, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
LOL--the Texas Rangers apparently tweeted out "Fire Charlie #bye" -- the tweet was deleted and the guy responsible fired.

QuoteAfter Texas was destroyed 37-0 by TCU in the first half Saturday in an eventual 50-7 loss in Fort Worth, Texas defensive back Kris Boyd apparently found a bit of time to check his Twitter feed in the locker room during halftime.

And what did he do? The freshman retweeted a fan saying he and linebacker Malik Jefferson should transfer to Texas A&M. Yikes.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Fbt%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2%2FKcwL9X5jIDk9BN3hwFm2Ug--%2FYXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Fos%2Fpublish-images%2Fsports%2F2015-10-03%2Fcc878a80-69ff-11e5-bb17-794549198f8b_Screen-Shot-2015-10-03-at-2-32-05-PM.png&hash=df049882241f5757839170c945f1673ada6dc6e1)

That's not what Texas fans want to see as the program struggles in Year Two under Charlie Strong. And Strong was not happy when he was asked about Boyd's halftime tweet.

Boyd, a four-star recruit, narrowed his choices down to the Longhorns and Aggies, but committed to Texas before signing day. Despite receiving plenty of playing time early this season, it looks like Boyd is having second thoughts about his decision to play at Texas, which is now 1-4.

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
Oh worse is what Wyoming fans get.  And I am stuck, there ain't no changing now - I will go to my grave an embittered Wyoming fan that never seems to get anything good.

Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2015, 06:27:46 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 03, 2015, 05:43:34 PM
LOL--the Texas Rangers apparently tweeted out "Fire Charlie #bye" -- the tweet was deleted and the guy responsible fired.

The Rangers then promptly blew a four run 9th inning lead that would have clinched the division. Bad day for Rangers/Longhorns fans.

Quote from: grumbler on October 03, 2015, 06:53:27 PM

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 04:46:36 PM
Oh worse is what Wyoming fans get.  And I am stuck, there ain't no changing now - I will go to my grave an embittered Wyoming fan that never seems to get anything good.

Any former Wyoming QBs coaching pro teams?  You get one of those guys, and watch shit turn around in a hurry.

Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2015, 06:27:46 PM
The Rangers then promptly blew a four run 9th inning lead that would have clinched the division. Bad day for Rangers/Longhorns fans.

Quote from: PDH on October 03, 2015, 08:22:08 PM
Well Chuck Pagano was a 4 year letterman at UWyo... is a former DB good enough?

Quote from: katmai on October 03, 2015, 08:40:45 PM
Bruins are looking Beatable.

Quote from: Valmy on October 03, 2015, 09:56:54 PM
Hell there was a whole movie celebrating Ole Miss recruiting violations.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2015, 10:32:01 PM
Backup?  Solomon end up having a concussion or something from that knee to the head?

Quote from: Berkut on October 03, 2015, 10:35:58 PM
Yep. Not that Arizona looked much better with Solomon.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2015, 10:47:11 PM
That Clemson - Domer game had a pretty fun ending.  I don't like celebration penalties in situations like that (or at all, tbh) though. 

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 03, 2015, 10:47:11 PM
That Clemson - Domer game had a pretty fun ending.  I don't like celebration penalties in situations like that (or at all, tbh) though.  "You stopped the game tying two point conversion with 8 seconds left and are celebrating?  Fuck you, they'll be kicking the onside kick into damn near FG range."

QuoteBig 12 officiating supervisor Walt Anderson defended the calls after reviewing the game, telling ESPN.com he was "generally pleased" with the officiating.

Quote from: Berkut on October 05, 2015, 08:25:27 AM
Well, I ripped my calf muscle in the opening kickoff of the second half of my game on Saturday, so I am done for a couple weeks at least.

Quote from: Berkut on October 05, 2015, 08:25:27 AM
Well, I ripped my calf muscle in the opening kickoff of the second half of my game on Saturday, so I am done for a couple weeks at least.

Quote from: katmai on October 05, 2015, 12:58:59 PM
I hate to defend UCLA, but they have lost three starters on D during season including their best player so this team playing now isn't like the one from first few games. (Of course that doesn't excuse losing to BYU at home for most of the game)

Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2015, 01:15:55 PM
Oh is losing at home to BYU bad?

:weep:

Quote from: grumbler on October 05, 2015, 01:57:40 PM

Quote from: katmai on October 05, 2015, 12:58:59 PM
I hate to defend UCLA, but they have lost three starters on D during season including their best player so this team playing now isn't like the one from first few games. (Of course that doesn't excuse losing to BYU at home for most of the game)

The ESPN guys I was referring to were projecting UCLA to play OSU for the natty.  This prediction was made last week.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
I generally watch games with the TV muted.  :P

Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2015, 03:01:02 PM

Yeah but they still post graphics mathematically proving this is the worst Texas team since 1956. That really gets annoying.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
I generally watch games with the TV muted.  :P

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 05, 2015, 03:13:16 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 05, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
I generally watch games with the TV muted.  :P

I like knowing who made the plays, and I'm certainly not going to memorize their numbers.

Quote from: grumbler on October 04, 2015, 12:52:39 PM
Wow.  Talk about bad officiating.  B12 officials decided the  OSU-KSU game by awarding OSU a first down they clearly didn't earn (they were awarded a first down when it should have been 4th and four).  http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13803765/officiating-error-leads-oklahoma-state-cowboys-touchdown-win-kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13803765/officiating-error-leads-oklahoma-state-cowboys-touchdown-win-kansas-state-wildcats)

Meanwhile, the explanation for the incredibly shitty B12 officiating was revealed (also in that article):

QuoteBig 12 officiating supervisor Walt Anderson defended the calls after reviewing the game, telling ESPN.com he was "generally pleased" with the officiating.

"Houston, we have a problem."  Anderson has his head so far up his ass he is using his belly button as a peep sight.

Quote from: Valmy on October 05, 2015, 01:15:55 PM
Oh is losing at home to BYU bad?

Quote from: katmai on October 10, 2015, 02:17:44 AM
Hmmmm Do i get tickets to Arizona vs UW or Utah vs UW?

Quote from: katmai on October 10, 2015, 02:17:44 AM
Hmmmm Do i get tickets to Arizona vs UW or Utah vs UW?

Quote from: FunkMonk on October 10, 2015, 03:24:24 PM
I loled

Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2015, 05:58:58 PM
I just cannot get over 14 points in five games. I did not think such a thing was possible in modern football. That is 1940s stuff.

Quote from: grumbler on October 10, 2015, 11:04:36 AM

Quote from: katmai on October 10, 2015, 02:17:44 AM
Hmmmm Do i get tickets to Arizona vs UW or Utah vs UW?

If Utah beats Cal, the Utah tickets are gonna be the ones you want.

Quote from: Valmy on October 10, 2015, 05:58:58 PM
I just cannot get over 14 points in five games. I did not think such a thing was possible in modern football. That is 1940s stuff.

Quote from: dps on October 11, 2015, 07:23:53 AM
Michigan, Duke, and Boston College are all averaging less than 10 points allow per game, which is pretty amazing--as you say, 1940s stuff.  BC only has a 3-3 record to show for it, but when you lose 9-7 and 3-0, well, obviously it doesn't take many points to beat you, and playing 2 FCS opponents will help keep your PA low, too.

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 06:18:36 AM
So, Gameday will be in Ann Arbor for the MSU game next week.  But, if things go as expected, won't they really want to be there for the OSU game Nov 28?  Does Gameday ever repeat at a location in a season?  Or, are they just taking the bird in hand?

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 11, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
As of now, it's the game between highest-ranking opponents. At air time, it may not be.

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 04:28:29 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 11, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
As of now, it's the game between highest-ranking opponents. At air time, it may not be.

How can the rankings change between now and air time?  Don't all of the ones they use for these things come out on Sundays?

Quote from: alfred russel on October 11, 2015, 04:35:32 PM
Sark is going on a leave of absence from USC.

Quote from: Valmy on October 11, 2015, 04:47:42 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 11, 2015, 04:35:32 PM
Sark is going on a leave of absence from USC.

Alcoholism is an ugly thing.

USC really has to rethink its screening and vetting process for football coaches.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 11, 2015, 04:37:24 PM

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 04:28:29 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 11, 2015, 01:25:06 PM
As of now, it's the game between highest-ranking opponents. At air time, it may not be.

How can the rankings change between now and air time?  Don't all of the ones they use for these things come out on Sundays?

Between now and Nov. 28th I meant.

Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
Dorsey,

He is going through divorce, and there to my knowledge was never any issues with him and being drunk while at UDub, so either he hid it really well or it is something that has become an issue since moving down to 'SC

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2015, 05:28:35 PM
Dorsey,

He is going through divorce, and there to my knowledge was never any issues with him and being drunk while at UDub, so either he hid it really well or it is something that has become an issue since moving down to 'SC

Dunno.  There were some rumblings on some of the Husky sites that he was getting a lot of strange and had an alcohol problem (those only coming to wider light since the news he was shitcanned... er, suspended).  While they are totally unsubstantiated, they indicate a possible problem while Sark was at UDub. 

I don't think any team has done less with more than USC since he got there (although in that he was just carrying on recent USC tradition).

QuoteLinebacker Daelin Hayes, a five-star recruit, has pulled his commitment to USC in light of coach Steve Sarkisian's leave of absence for reported substance abuse.


Hayes is the No. 1 ranked player in the state of Michigan, the No. 3 player at his position and the No. 13 player overall.

He was scheduled to wear No. 55 next year, the number famed USC linebacker Junior Seau wore for the Trojans.

Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2015, 07:57:07 PM
Thanks Grumbles, hadn't seen that site.

Glad to see Harbaugh hasn't lost the coaching touch, hope Michigan keeps him for more than three years :P

Quote@A-Jude
Fair questions. Lots of rumors, but former UW players I've talked to say Sark's issues didn't show up in locker room

QuoteRogervanoo @Rogervanoo
@A_Jude Adam did you get a sense of this at UW? Hard to believe it just showed up. Have you held back from writing about it?

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 07:43:52 PM
Here's some stuff from 2013.  Take it for what it's worth, which isn't much other than to show that rumors did exist. http://hardcorehusky.com/forums/#/discussion/4114/the-official-sark-s-nights-on-the-town-thread (http://hardcorehusky.com/forums/#/discussion/4114/the-official-sark-s-nights-on-the-town-thread)

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 08:38:11 PM

Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2015, 07:57:07 PM
Thanks Grumbles, hadn't seen that site.

Glad to see Harbaugh hasn't lost the coaching touch, hope Michigan keeps him for more than three years :P

As someone commented on the MGoBlog board, "it's a lot more fun when the mindfuck is going the other way."  Harbaugh and Drevno have had a new formation or three for every game, and they seem to have anticipated every opponent's adjustments and prepared counters to them. 

But what is really impressive is how disciplined these players are, after eight years of hero ball (where players think they have to win games on their own, because the team won't).  Probably the best measure of that on defense is third down conversions.  Utah was 3 of 13, Oregon St 1 of 11, UNLV 5 of 15, BYU 4 of 15, Maryland 1 of 18, Northwestern 2 of 13.  The NCAA median is 40%.  Michigan is allowing less than 19%.  That's because everyone has bought into Harbaugh's conviction that, if everyone just does their own job well, the defense will strike home. 

And you have to remember that Harbaugh is more than just a Michigan alum.  He is an Ann Arbor kid.  His own kids are enrolled in the same elementary school he went to. His parents live next door.  He grew up wanting to be Bo Schembechler, whom he knew very well.  There's a true story that, when Harbaugh was like 10 years old, Bo came into his office to find Jim sitting at his desk, with his feet on the desktop.  Bo, of course, yells at Jim, demanding to know what he thinks he is doing, and Harbaugh replies that he is just seeing what it feels like, because someday he's going to be sitting at that desk for real.

I'm not concerned that Harbaugh is leaving any time soon.  Maybe after his parents pass, and his kids finish school, but Harbaugh and his wife have talked repeatedly about how they want their kids to grow up in Ann Arbor, and to have access to their grandparents.  We're talking ten years, minimum.  If Harbaugh wants to leave after ten years, I'll wish him well and will be confident that he'll leave the program in great shape.  He'll only leave even then for a really good NFL gig, though.

And I'll bet that, when he leaves, he will leave as the dean of B10 coaches.  OSU is the one who has to wonder how long their coach will be there.  Meyer has none of the glue that will keep Harbaugh at Michigan.

Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2015, 08:02:48 PM

QuoteLinebacker Daelin Hayes, a five-star recruit, has pulled his commitment to USC in light of coach Steve Sarkisian's leave of absence for reported substance abuse.


Hayes is the No. 1 ranked player in the state of Michigan, the No. 3 player at his position and the No. 13 player overall.

He was scheduled to wear No. 55 next year, the number famed USC linebacker Junior Seau wore for the Trojans.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 11, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
You really want to save the toilet plunger for home games.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 11, 2015, 08:55:18 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 11, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
You really want to save the toilet plunger for home games.

If you read the thread, the toilet plunger was used for road games because he didn't want to make his pool boy jealous.

Quote from: katmai on October 11, 2015, 08:48:18 PM

Quote@A-Jude
Fair questions. Lots of rumors, but former UW players I've talked to say Sark's issues didn't show up in locker room

QuoteRogervanoo @Rogervanoo
@A_Jude Adam did you get a sense of this at UW? Hard to believe it just showed up. Have you held back from writing about it?

QuoteInsideUSC ‏@InsideUSC  3h3 hours ago
BREAKING: #USC assistants pulled Steve Sarkisian out of player huddle on sideline during Arizona State game. Believed he was not sober

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 08:58:34 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 11, 2015, 08:55:18 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 11, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
You really want to save the toilet plunger for home games.

If you read the thread, the toilet plunger was used for road games because he didn't want to make his pool boy jealous.

Was the pool boy gig before your ND gig, or just during the summer?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 11, 2015, 09:19:38 PM
That's pretty trippy Fredo.

Did you come out and tell him no one else was allowed to stick a toilet plunger up his ass?

QuoteDocuments, former players point to Steve Sarkisian's alcohol use at Washington

Steve Sarkisian's strange behavior in the days surrounding high-pressure, high-profile college football games isn't unique to his time at USC.

Some regarded the coach's conduct, specifically the use of alcohol, as an issue during his five seasons leading the University of Washington's program.

Sarkisian's lone court record in Washington state is a routine speeding ticket and he wasn't publicly disciplined by the university. But his actions raised concern among some of his players and others closely associated with Washington's program.

One former Huskies player said he smelled alcohol on Sarkisian at team meetings, an allegation that bears some resemblance to reports by USC players that their coach "didn't seem right" during a meeting Sunday morning, and statements by others close to the Trojans football program that he seemed unstable during a recent game at Arizona State.

After Sarkisian's outburst in August at USC's "Salute to Troy" event where he slurred his words, insulted opponents and added an expletive to the university's "Fight on!" rallying cry, The Times interviewed more than two dozen people knowledgeable about Sarkisian's time at Washington, and reviewed hundreds of pages of documents.

What emerged is a portrait of a man who favored Patron Silver tequila or Coors Light and frequented a handful of Seattle-area bars, typically accompanied by staff members, and didn't hesitate to drink — early — while traveling.

During a stop at a rib joint in Nashville in January 2013, for example, Sarkisian and three assistants ordered four shots of Patron Silver, four shots of an unspecified liquor and five beers. The coach cashed out at 11:53 a.m.

Some associated with Washington's football program remain unabashed supporters. But Sarkisian's use of alcohol became a running joke among some Washington players, some of whom spoke about the topic on the condition they not be named because of the personal nature of the issue.

One ex-player said that in 2009, Sarkisian's first season with the Huskies, the coach sometimes arrived at morning team meetings "smelling like booze and [with] eyes all red, like he's been on a bender."

Another former player said he smelled alcohol on Sarkisian during team meetings on "one or two" occasions and, other times, noted that the coach's eyes appeared to be bloodshot and glazed while he seemed unusually confrontational.

Two other former players said Sarkisian and other coaches regularly consumed alcohol in offices — one said the coach typically kept an 18-pack of Coors Light stashed near his desk — and that he appeared uncharacteristically loud and unsteady on some team flights.

After the August incident at USC, which Sarkisian blamed on inadvertently mixing alcohol and unspecified medication, some former Washington players didn't sound surprised.

"Coach Sark is still having fun at USC!" former Huskies tight end Michael Hartvigson wrote on Twitter at the time. He added the hashtag #ThingsHaventChanged.

Two of Sarkisian's highest-profile players at Washington, defensive lineman Danny Shelton and linebacker Shaq Thompson, both high NFL draft picks this year, joined in the social media quips.

Shelton tweeted a sarcastic #shocked hashtag in reference to the incident. Thompson responded with an emoji laughing and shedding tears.

"I would've made him run the stadium carrying a 6 pack since he wanna drink so much lol," Shelton tweeted.

The former players didn't respond to messages seeking further comment.

Despite several requests in September, USC didn't make Sarkisian available to speak with The Times about his alcohol use at Washington. Athletic Director Pat Haden said the university vetted Sarkisian extensively before hiring him as coach in December 2013.

Seattle sports radio host Dave Mahler, whose involvement in Washington's football program included hosting recruiting banquets and pregame and postgame shows, saw the August incident as part of a pattern.

"The idea that this was the first time that something like this happened for Steve Sarkisian ... it's not," Mahler said in August during his show on 950 KJR. "It's not the first time."

However, the host did not specifically say what he was referring to on air and declined to elaborate on the record to a reporter.

At least one incident during Sarkisian's time at Washington bore some similarity to what happened in August at USC.

At the Duchess Tavern in Seattle, Sarkisian jumped up on the bar, drink in hand, for a speech to dozens of former players at their annual alumni gathering the night before Washington's spring football game in 2012.

"[He] looked adrenalized, hollering what football coaches do to get their guys going," said Bill Resler, a longtime university professor who witnessed the event.

The gesture seemed to fit the moment at the neighborhood bar less than a mile from campus, but some people in the room wondered whether something more than the coach's usual enthusiasm fueled the display.

"You could tell he was in the moment, but he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't drinking," said a former player in attendance.

One of the event's organizers said Sarkisian didn't appear to be under the influence, but Resler wasn't so sure.

"When he got off the bar, he was unsteady, looked like he had been over-served, and sat down, looked a little embarrassed that he was in that state," Resler said.

When Sarkisian arrived at Washington after seven years as a USC assistant, he inherited a moribund program that was 0-12 in 2008 under straightlaced coach Tyrone Willingham. Sarkisian assembled a young, energetic staff that frequently implored the players to have fun.

More than 800 pages of receipts, hotel folios and expense reports obtained by The Times from Sarkisian's tenure at Washington show alcohol was a constant presence.

In 2011, for example, Sarkisian picked up a bill at Suncadia Resort in Cle Elum, Wash., that included 83 beers and 12 shots of Grey Goose vodka. Twenty Washington coaches and their spouses are listed as attending.

During a one-night stay at the JW Marriott at L.A. Live in May 2011 for a speaking engagement, Sarkisian's hotel folio shows room service delivered a $90 bottle of Veuve Clicquot champagne and a chocolate amenity, then six beers.

At the Arizona Biltmore in Phoenix for a Pac-12 Conference head coach meetings, Sarkisian ran up $106 in minibar charges in one day in May 2012 and spent more than $1,600 over two days at the Renaissance Indian Wells Resort and Spa's pool bar in 2013.

Two receipts from Washington retreats in Indian Wells in 2012 and 2013 showed Sarkisian expensed $1,023 worth of alcohol at a restaurant. That included 91 shots of tequila, much of it Patron Silver. At least 16 people attended one of the gatherings; the attendance for the other wasn't clear.

Even some routine trips resulted in steep bar tabs, like a one-night recruiting visit by Sarkisian to Long Beach in 2010 that included $125.01 worth of unspecified beverages in one visit to the lobby bar and $104.01 in beverages at the same establishment a few months later. Another stay, this one at the Hollywood Roosevelt hotel in July 2011, resulted in a one-day beverage tab of $170.47.

Patrons and staff recognized Sarkisian at Seattle-area establishments such as The Ram near campus, Edgewater Hotel, 520 Bar and Grill, Roanoke Inn, Joey Bellevue as well as the Duchess. He was also said to be a frequent presence at two establishments that are now closed: Citrus and Joey Lake Union.

Two former Washington players said they encountered Sarkisian at the Edgewater on Seattle's waterfront during a 2011 concert by local musician Tess Henley.

One of the players, who worked as a bartender at another establishment, said they bumped into Sarkisian and a team staffer in the packed bar. The player described the coach as "clearly ... wasted." The other player said Sarkisian hugged him, offered to buy him a drink and was "definitely drunk."

The same player said Sarkisian drank "copious amounts of Patron" amounting to "between eight and 10 shots" over several hours during weekly visits to Citrus on Lake Union.

Others around the Washington program say they saw Sarkisian drink, but never in excess or in a setting they considered inappropriate.

Erik Wilson, a former reserve quarterback, described a father-son relationship with a coach he viewed as a role model.

"He was always in complete control," Wilson said, "and I have never seen nor heard him getting out of control."

A former director of Washington's club for letter winners, John Otness, traveled to public appearances and events with Sarkisian and never noticed any concerning conduct.

"We all knew he was a Trojan at heart, but he became a Husky and made our program tick when we didn't have a lot going on," Otness said. "I never felt he was doing something another coach wouldn't do.

There is one exception. Chris Petersen, who replaced Sarkisian as Washington's coach, won't do events that involve drinking, Otness said.

Resler, who thought Sarkisian was unsteady at the 2012 event, has taught at Washington for more than 35 years. He described Sarkisian as "a perfectly nice guy" and said he became a season-ticket holder because of the coach's commitment to young people and to revitalizing the Husky football program.

Still, Resler "wasn't surprised" by Sarkisian's incident in August.

"Someone who could get over-served [here]," Resler said, "could get over-served at any function."

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 08:38:11 PM

And I'll bet that, when he leaves, he will leave as the dean of B10 coaches.  OSU is the one who has to wonder how long their coach will be there.  Meyer has none of the glue that will keep Harbaugh at Michigan.

Quote from: dps on October 12, 2015, 02:40:21 PM

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 08:38:11 PM

And I'll bet that, when he leaves, he will leave as the dean of B10 coaches.  OSU is the one who has to wonder how long their coach will be there.  Meyer has none of the glue that will keep Harbaugh at Michigan.

Fitzgerald's probably at Northwestern for the long haul.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 12, 2015, 02:55:55 PM
Michigan up six places to #12. Also helping Utah.  :P

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 04:50:13 PM
Sark's out at USC.

QuoteSouth Carolina head coach Steve Spurrier has retired, according to multiple reports.
According to Gamecock Central, Spurrier informed his team and coaching staff of his decision after practice on Monday night while Football Scoop is reporting that an interim head coach will be named at 8:30 ET on Tuesday morning. Thayer Evans of Sports Illustrated was the first to report the news.

Spurrier, 70, was in his 11th season at South Carolina. He led the Gamecocks to an SEC East title in 2010 and three straight 11-win seasons from 2011 to 2013, but the team trudged to a 7-6 record in 2014 and has struggled to a 2-4 (0-4 SEC) mark through six games this season.

Overall during his tenure in Columbia, Spurrier registered an 86-49 record with a 44-40 mark in SEC play and five bowl wins. He is South Carolina's all-time winningest coach.

Before his time at South Carolina, the Head Ball Coach spent 12 years at Florida, his alma mater, where he won six SEC titles and the 1996 national championship. He also spent three seasons as the head coach at Duke and two seasons leading the Washington Redskins in 2002 and 2003.

Spurrier, who compiled a 228-89-2 overall record as a collegiate head coach, played quarterback at UF from 1963 to 1966 and won the Heisman Trophy in 1966.

Quote from: grumbler on October 12, 2015, 05:09:16 PM

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 04:50:13 PM
Sark's out at USC.

Least surprising firing ever.

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 09:23:33 PM

I wonder how much heat is on Haden down there.  He hired Layne Kiffin and Sark back-to-back; \

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 08:38:11 PM
I'm not concerned that Harbaugh is leaving any time soon.  Maybe after his parents pass, and his kids finish school, but Harbaugh and his wife have talked repeatedly about how they want their kids to grow up in Ann Arbor, and to have access to their grandparents.  We're talking ten years, minimum.  If Harbaugh wants to leave after ten years, I'll wish him well and will be confident that he'll leave the program in great shape.  He'll only leave even then for a really good NFL gig, though.

And I'll bet that, when he leaves, he will leave as the dean of B10 coaches.  OSU is the one who has to wonder how long their coach will be there.  Meyer has none of the glue that will keep Harbaugh at Michigan.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 12, 2015, 09:26:22 PM

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 09:23:33 PM

I wonder how much heat is on Haden down there.  He hired Layne Kiffin and Sark back-to-back; \

He didn't hire Lane Kiffin. That was on Mike Garrett. Missing on one hire usually doesn't get an AD fired.

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 09:26:37 PM

You are obviously more dialed into the situation, but I personally would be very surprised if he wasn't back in the NFL within 5 years.

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 09:30:00 PM

I agree that one miss usually doesn't get an AD fired, but that was a big, terrible and relatively unsurprising miss.

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 09:26:37 PM
You are obviously more dialed into the situation, but I personally would be very surprised if he wasn't back in the NFL within 5 years.

QuoteJIM HARBAUGH HAS BUILT A TERRIFYING MICHIGAN DEFENSE
Here's how.

SAM MONSON | 7 HOURS AGO   

The University of Michigan is rolling right now. After suffering a Week 1 loss to Utah — a loss which is looking increasingly understandable as the weeks go by and Utah remains legit — the Wolverines have notched five straight wins. The last three have been shutouts, and they have scored 97 points while conceding none in those games. In their five-game winning streak they have outscored opponents 160-14 and haven't allowed more than one score in any of the games.

Scoring that many points is reasonably impressive, but this is college football, where points fall out of the sky and touchdowns grow on trees. What is far more impressive is the defensive display — especially notching three straight total shutouts while understanding the point just made about offensive production.

The average number of points conceded (or scored) in this week's FBS schedule was 29.5, including Michigan's shutout-featuring game. Almost all of the other games featuring single-digit scores involved bad teams with losing records, but Michigan did this to a Northwestern team that was 5-0 coming into the game and ranked higher than Michigan in the AP Top 25.

You don't need to look much further than the opening Northwestern drive to see what the Michigan defense is all about. In 34 seconds of game time they forced a three and out, showing quality play at every level of the defense.

1st down: With just six men in the box they stuffed an inside zone run, winning all across the line of scrimmage and just squeezing the holes, leaving the runner with nowhere to go.
2nd down: Jabrill Peppers covers a slant and breaks the pass up as it arrives to force an incompletion.
3rd down: Michigan brings the blitz and the pressure forces an early, off-target pass to come out (Peppers again was in tight coverage even if it had been accurate).
This was all as Michigan was already sitting on a 7-0 lead with the offense yet to take the field after the opening kickoff had been taken back to the house. Games don't begin much better than this if you're a Wolverines fan.

QuoteThat should not happen, and does not happen with most defenses. There wasn't even a catastrophic breakdown in blocking assignments to create it. The Wolverines just read, diagnose and attack the football like a pack of hungry dogs chasing after a wayward ribeye steak.

Quote from: sbr on October 12, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
Ole Ball Coach just up and retired.  Not shocking, but surprising.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/reports--south-carolina-head-coach-steve-spurrier-plans-to-retire-012729392.html

QuoteSouth Carolina head coach Steve Spurrier has retired, according to multiple reports.
According to Gamecock Central, Spurrier informed his team and coaching staff of his decision after practice on Monday night while Football Scoop is reporting that an interim head coach will be named at 8:30 ET on Tuesday morning. Thayer Evans of Sports Illustrated was the first to report the news.

Spurrier, 70, was in his 11th season at South Carolina. He led the Gamecocks to an SEC East title in 2010 and three straight 11-win seasons from 2011 to 2013, but the team trudged to a 7-6 record in 2014 and has struggled to a 2-4 (0-4 SEC) mark through six games this season.

Overall during his tenure in Columbia, Spurrier registered an 86-49 record with a 44-40 mark in SEC play and five bowl wins. He is South Carolina's all-time winningest coach.

Before his time at South Carolina, the Head Ball Coach spent 12 years at Florida, his alma mater, where he won six SEC titles and the 1996 national championship. He also spent three seasons as the head coach at Duke and two seasons leading the Washington Redskins in 2002 and 2003.

Spurrier, who compiled a 228-89-2 overall record as a collegiate head coach, played quarterback at UF from 1963 to 1966 and won the Heisman Trophy in 1966.

Quote from: dps on October 13, 2015, 09:09:48 PM
Not surprised that he's retiring, but I'm a bit surprised he isn't going to finish out the season.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 11, 2015, 08:48:50 PM

Quote from: grumbler on October 11, 2015, 07:43:52 PM
Here's some stuff from 2013.  Take it for what it's worth, which isn't much other than to show that rumors did exist. http://hardcorehusky.com/forums/#/discussion/4114/the-official-sark-s-nights-on-the-town-thread (http://hardcorehusky.com/forums/#/discussion/4114/the-official-sark-s-nights-on-the-town-thread)

I believe every word there is the truth. Sark is a stud for picking up Erin Andrews. I see the winningness that Haden saw in him. However, getting other coaches to apply a plunger to his butthole while on the road allows me a glimpse into his sickness that Haden must have seen today.

Quote from: dps on October 13, 2015, 09:09:48 PM

Not surprised that he's retiring, but I'm a bit surprised he isn't going to finish out the season.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 13, 2015, 09:25:01 PM

Quote from: dps on October 13, 2015, 09:09:48 PM
Not surprised that he's retiring, but I'm a bit surprised he isn't going to finish out the season.

I thought the same.  Unless it's health related.

Quote from: grumbler on October 14, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
I'd have thought SC was tired of old coaches.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 14, 2015, 09:50:17 AM

Quote from: grumbler on October 14, 2015, 09:32:02 AM
I'd have thought SC was tired of old coaches.

The Holtz / Spurrier years are the golden era of South Carolina football.

Quote from: grumbler on October 14, 2015, 09:32:02 AM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 13, 2015, 09:25:01 PM

Quote from: dps on October 13, 2015, 09:09:48 PM
Not surprised that he's retiring, but I'm a bit surprised he isn't going to finish out the season.

I thought the same.  Unless it's health related.

That's what I thought of, as well.  There must be a reason he can't finish.

Interesting that speculation has Dantonio as one of the candidates.  I'd have thought SC was tired of old coaches.

Quote from: dps on October 14, 2015, 03:51:07 PM

I'm not sure what this means, or even if it's accurate, but I heard on the radio today that he didn't retire, as was first reported, but instead resigned.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 14, 2015, 04:09:47 PM

Quote from: dps on October 14, 2015, 03:51:07 PM

I'm not sure what this means, or even if it's accurate, but I heard on the radio today that he didn't retire, as was first reported, but instead resigned.

He said he might coach as a coordinator in high school. Which would be awesome.

Quote from: Malthus on October 15, 2015, 11:45:47 AM
Heh, just learned that my 9 year old niece in Iowa is now a cheerleader; also, that they have a cheerleading section of girls that young doing cheerleading at university football games. All of which struck me as slightly strange.  :huh:

Quote from: sbr on October 15, 2015, 11:40:57 AM
I took it as a big F you to SC.  He knew he would be fired after the season, and said ' you think someone else can do better? Go for it'

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 15, 2015, 12:33:29 PM

Quote from: sbr on October 15, 2015, 11:40:57 AM
I took it as a big F you to SC.  He knew he would be fired after the season, and said ' you think someone else can do better? Go for it'

I dunno, he may have done enough to earn one shitty season grace period.

Quote from: Berkut on October 15, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
Yeah, Spurrier isn't exactly a "up and coming' coach - a terrible season isn't something you can chalk up to rebuilding or something.

Quote from: Valmy on October 16, 2015, 01:02:37 PM
Well unless you are Bobby Bowden between the years of 1987 and 2000.

Quote from: Valmy on October 16, 2015, 01:24:04 PM
Chris Rix was the very model of a mediocre QB.

Quote from: sbr on October 16, 2015, 06:13:54 PM
Stanford's Kevin Hogan just beat ucla for the fifth time last night

Quote from: dps on October 17, 2015, 02:48:55 PM
Hmm.  Figured today would be a reality check for Memphis.  Turned out not to be much of one.

Quote from: PDH on October 17, 2015, 05:13:19 PM
Wyoming is somehow leading in the 3rd quarter.  I don't know what to think.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on October 17, 2015, 07:34:22 PM
Sparty's hero has a busted hip.  Had to be carted off the field, apparently.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 17, 2015, 07:47:05 PM
Had to see what all the hoopla was about, so after googling the Mich/St ending I got a link to this, which I had never heard of before.

The one point "try safety."

http://deadspin.com/5973048/only-two-one-point-safeties-have-ever-happened-in-ncaa-football-history-and-brad-nessler-called-them-both

Quote from: PDH on October 17, 2015, 06:40:06 PM
I'm sorry Grumbler.  The football gods had to use up so much karma to let Wyoming win...

I feel bad now.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2015, 10:16:08 PM
Another targeting ejection. They're going a bit crazy with those.

Quote from: dps on October 17, 2015, 11:42:48 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 17, 2015, 10:16:08 PM
Another targeting ejection. They're going a bit crazy with those.

The way the targeting rule works irritates me.  Too many of the targeting infractions happen when the defender is set up to hit the ball carrier in the midsection, but then the ball carrier lowers his head.

Quote from: sbr on October 18, 2015, 08:35:42 AM
Did anyone see Owusu's catch Thursday night?

http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/93199/stanford-still-in-disbelief-after-francis-owusus-spectacular-catch

Quote from: alfred russel on October 24, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
I've felt a great disturbance in the force. As if millions thousands hundreds dozens of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I feel something terrible has happened.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 12:49:18 AM

Is Washington State actually a quality side?

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 25, 2015, 12:46:22 PM
The Wyoming game was on ESPN. :)

Quote from: dps on October 25, 2015, 10:53:12 AM


Probably not.  Look who those wins have come against:  a Rutgers team in disarray, a really bad Wyoming team, the worst Oregon team in years (though Oregon isn't exactly bad, just "meh"), an Oregon State team that hasn't won a conference game, and an Arizona team that has been very inconsistent.  By my count, that's 3 wins over bad teams and 2 wins over mediocre teams, and the only wins that weren't close were against the 2 worst teams they played.  That doesn't really say "quality" to me.  Despite their record, they didn't receive a single vote in last week's AP poll, and IMO they shouldn't this week either.  My opinion on that wouldn't change if they had beaten Portland State and were 6-1 instead of 5-2.  Now, if they were to beat Stanford next week, that changes things.  At that point, their resume would be about as good as most teams in the lower half of the top 25.

QuoteOn a completely different note, did anyone else see the VT-Duke game?  Terrible, terrible clock management by the Hokies at the end of regulation.  They got the ball with 1:04 left, and only managed to get off 3 plays and then try a 67 yard FG.  Even worse, of the 3 plays they ran, 1 resulted in a 1st down, stopping the clock, and one was an incomplete pass that also stopped the clock, and they had a time out left that they never used.  Given just decent clock management, they should have been able to run at least 3 more plays, potentially giving them a much more reasonable field goal attempt to win it.

Granted, it they were tied, not trailing, so they knew that as long as they didn't turn it over, they were at worst going to OT, but I can't see any reason not to make more of an effort to win in regulation, especially when you're the underdog.

Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2015, 12:48:08 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 25, 2015, 12:46:22 PM
The Wyoming game was on ESPN. :)

I watched the first half it was...well...actually I am just not going to say anything.

Quote from: Valmy on October 24, 2015, 04:26:06 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 24, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
I've felt a great disturbance in the force. As if millions thousands hundreds dozens of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I feel something terrible has happened.

The Miami alumni were sure all over twitter. I won't be surprised if the big story later today is Miami looking for the next Schnellenberger.

Quote from: Ed Anger on October 25, 2015, 06:43:09 PM
Goodbye Al Golden.

Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2015, 06:49:36 PM

Hey any Miami recruits want to play for Charlie Strong?

Quote from: dps on October 25, 2015, 06:59:10 PM
Not too many Schnellenbergers out there.  But Miami doesn't really need another Schellenberger--the program doesn't need to be totally rebuilt the way it was when Schnellenberger got there.  They'd probably be happy enough with another Jimmy Johnson.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 07:08:37 PM

Quote from: dps on October 25, 2015, 06:59:10 PM
Not too many Schnellenbergers out there.  But Miami doesn't really need another Schellenberger--the program doesn't need to be totally rebuilt the way it was when Schnellenberger got there.  They'd probably be happy enough with another Jimmy Johnson.

Wait a second. :P

Jimmy Johnson started in 1984. His first year the team was kind of meh, like 7-5, with one of the losses being the Hail Flutie.

His second year the team was better, they lost the Sugar Bowl to Tennessee.

1986 was an 11-1 juggernaut: the team that lost to Penn State in the Fiesta.

1987 was undefeated national champs.

1988 was 11-1, with the loss being to Notre Dame 31-30 with really poor officiating that got a critical call egregiously wrong at the end.

He departed that season, and the team he left behind won the 1989 and 1991 national titles.

Jimmy Johnson is the gold standard of UM coaches. I think most fans would put him ahead of Schnelly, though those guys are clearly 1 & 2.

Quote from: dps on October 25, 2015, 07:18:42 PM
Johnson may have had a better overall record, but he took over a much stronger program than Schnellenberger.  Pre-Schnellenberger, the team was so bad, they considered shutting down the program.  Obviously, you're in a better position than I am to speak for the fans, but from outside, it's clear that Schnellenberger built the program and Johnson just maintained and improved it.  Not that the latter isn't impressive;  after all, lots of guys have taken over good programs and seen them slip on their watch.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 07:03:24 PM
But then I checked out Texas, who is way down the rankings. Either Strong is struggling to recruit, or he is enabling recruits to hold off until the end to announce their commitments.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 07:37:13 PM
No coach gets great love for the second run, since Butch Davis built the juggernaut, but went to the NFL before the title and Larry Coker got the national title but suffered from Dennis Erickson syndrome on steroids.

Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2015, 08:00:47 PM
This is just how he recruits. He gets his commitments really late. He encourages guys to look around and commit late. I expect another top 10 recruiting class when all is said and done.

Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2015, 08:02:53 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 07:37:13 PM
No coach gets great love for the second run, since Butch Davis built the juggernaut, but went to the NFL before the title and Larry Coker got the national title but suffered from Dennis Erickson syndrome on steroids.

I wonder if Butch would make a different decision if he had to do it all over again.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 07:08:37 PM
1986 was an 11-1 juggernaut: the team that lost to Penn State in the Fiesta.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 25, 2015, 09:57:29 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 25, 2015, 07:08:37 PM
1986 was an 11-1 juggernaut: the team that lost to Penn State in the Fiesta.

Heh. Wasn't that the camo douchebag bowl?  :lol:

Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2015, 10:50:54 PM
Four years ago Texas A&M hoped to return to the rankings when they hired the head coach of the undefeated Houston Cougars.

Four years later Texas A&M is still unranked and the Houston Cougars are still undefeated. Maybe it was just Houston and Texas A&M and not the coach?

Quote from: Valmy on October 25, 2015, 10:50:54 PM
the undefeated Houston Cougars.

Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2015, 02:07:28 PM
I am wondering if there won't be a lot of pressure to ditch the 335 and Casteel though - which would be ironic considering NOT having Casteel is supposedly one of the reasons he could not succeed at Michigan...

Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2015, 02:44:38 PM

Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2015, 02:07:28 PM
I am wondering if there won't be a lot of pressure to ditch the 335 and Casteel though - which would be ironic considering NOT having Casteel is supposedly one of the reasons he could not succeed at Michigan...

I have a hunch he will never go for that. RR has his offense and his 335 defense. Pressuring a coach to switch assistants is one thing, but their core coaching philosophy is another.

I know it would be hard to quantify because there are usually euphemisms when assistants are pushed out, but it would really be interesting to see the future outcomes when a head coach is pushed into staff changes. My guess is that rarely are changes made that result in the program taking off and everyone living happily ever after.

Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
Doc Holliday - 8/1

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 26, 2015, 07:13:17 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
Doc Holliday - 8/1

That would be OK with me.

Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2015, 02:47:41 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2015, 02:44:38 PM
I have a hunch he will never go for that. RR has his offense and his 335 defense. Pressuring a coach to switch assistants is one thing, but their core coaching philosophy is another.

I know it would be hard to quantify because there are usually euphemisms when assistants are pushed out, but it would really be interesting to see the future outcomes when a head coach is pushed into staff changes. My guess is that rarely are changes made that result in the program taking off and everyone living happily ever after.

Yeah, that is actually a pretty good point.

That doesn't seem like a formula for anything but eventual failure.

If RR decides that it is time to retire the 335, he can do so himself in some fashion. Trying to force the issue cannot really have a good outcome. At best, it just means he starts listening to those east coast schools who are calling.

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on October 26, 2015, 07:13:17 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on October 26, 2015, 05:12:22 PM
Doc Holliday - 8/1

That would be OK with me.

Quote from: Berkut on October 26, 2015, 09:08:17 PM
I would say that losing Scooby Wright in the first game probaby doesn't help things much.

QuoteCoach Kill announced today that he is retiring effective immediately due to health reasons. Tracy Claeys has been named interim head coach.

Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2015, 10:01:40 AM
Wait there is a Big 12 game on Thursday night? In know TCU and WV recently were in conferences that did that on a regular basis but it sure is weird. Or at least I cannot remember the last time that happened.

Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2015, 10:01:40 AM
Wait there is a Big 12 game on Thursday night? In know TCU and WV recently were in conferences that did that on a regular basis but it sure is weird. Or at least I cannot remember the last time that happened.

Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2015, 11:21:19 AM

Quote from: Valmy on October 28, 2015, 10:01:40 AM
Wait there is a Big 12 game on Thursday night? In know TCU and WV recently were in conferences that did that on a regular basis but it sure is weird. Or at least I cannot remember the last time that happened.

I think the weakest Power 5 conference has to play one on Thursdays once the conference season starts.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 28, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
It would be sad for Jerry to die in the middle of the season like this.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 28, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
It would be sad for Jerry to die in the middle of the season like this.

Quote from: grumbler on October 28, 2015, 03:21:30 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on October 28, 2015, 02:52:11 PM
It would be sad for Jerry to die in the middle of the season like this.

He's had a number of epileptic seizures over the last couple of years.  I get the feeling he was just informed of a more serious development.  I sure hope resigning from the stress of coaching turns the tide on whatever it is.

Bo had to quit because of his ticker, and lived for 27 more years.  Let's hope Jerry is as lucky.

Quote from: Valmy on October 29, 2015, 10:55:18 PM
Well I guess we now know who Dana thinks should win the Heisman

Quote from: Admiral Yi on October 31, 2015, 06:09:44 PM
Maybe it's time i start rooting a bit for Ioway.

Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
So Dorsey did you catch the ending of the Miami-Duke game?

Quote from: grumbler on October 31, 2015, 11:12:06 PM

Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
So Dorsey did you catch the ending of the Miami-Duke game?

That replay official was as awful as the one in the UM-MSU game. 

QuoteOne of the Miami players tackled a Duke player, #1's knees hit the ground before he threw the ball away, there were two blocks in the back (one somewhat questionable, the other blatant), and a helmet-to-helmet hit on one of the blocks.  Other than that, it looked like a good play.  I mean, fuck Duke, but that replay official was grossly incompetent and should never work another game.

Quote from: Valmy on October 31, 2015, 11:04:25 PM
So Dorsey did you catch the ending of the Miami-Duke game?

Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2015, 12:11:24 AM
:lol: You seem to be having as hard a time letting go of the UM - MSU game as the App State game a few years back.

QuoteFYI, none of those are reviewable save the one about whether the player was down before lateraling the ball (which on the field was not called dead--and I've seen people arguing that the ball was coming out by the time his knee touched--so not indisputable?). Lets review the rule book before sending the replay guy to the unemployment line.  :)

QuoteAlso, if you want to call a penalty for every play a forensic inspection of a replay shows helmets touch during a block, or possibly someone blocked in the back, we will never again have a play without a penalty. Which, considering that Miami had 23 penalties in the game, would create games somewhat like this one.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 01, 2015, 01:56:49 AM
My google fu utterly failed, but if yo guys haven't seen the UMass/Ball State kick return you absolutely have to see this.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2015, 12:38:33 AM
I know Berkut disagrees, but it is such a clear conflict of interest to have officials officiating out of conference games for one of their conference members, it would be nice if the practice was ended.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 07:34:42 AM

The play was reviewed, and the egregious block in the back was called on the field (and over-ruled on review).

Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2015, 12:38:33 AM
I don't know if it will become a story or not, but Brian Kelly went after an assistant strength coach on the sidelines, and put his hands on the guy. Really not a good look. Has me worried he is going to have a Woody Hayes moment. To this point you could rationalize his explosions on his players and refs as motivation or intimidation tactics, but actually going after a coach is neither of those.

Also, the officiating in the 2nd half of that game came really close to determining the outcome--there were 3 straight drives--2 for ND and 1 for Temple--that were basically determined by officiating in favor of Temple (officials from the AAC). I know Berkut disagrees, but it is such a clear conflict of interest to have officials officiating out of conference games for one of their conference members, it would be nice if the practice was ended.

Quote from: katmai on November 01, 2015, 12:06:50 AM
Well passed on getting tickets to tonight UW-Arizona game as weather is windy and rainy and game didn't start till 8pm local time.
The Huskies just scored out of halftime to make it 28-3 lead.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 07:40:11 AM

Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2015, 12:38:33 AM
I know Berkut disagrees, but it is such a clear conflict of interest to have officials officiating out of conference games for one of their conference members, it would be nice if the practice was ended.

I agree with this.  Some conferences use third-conference refs for OOC games, and I think that's a good practice.

Quote from: Berkut on November 01, 2015, 10:27:59 AM

I don't really disagree, I just don't agree that there is a "conflict of interest".

Quote from: Berkut on November 01, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
I don't really disagree, I just don't agree that there is a "conflict of interest".

The officials do not have an interest in the outcome of the game, regardless of what conference they work for - but if it makes people feel better to have a third conference provide the officials, that is fine as well.

The idea, however, that officials have some idea in their head that since they work for the AAC, they really should try to see if they can make the AAC team win, is kind of tin-foil.

QuoteACC SUSPENDS MIAMI-DUKE OFFICIATING CREW

Of the two-game suspension of the on-field officiating crew as well as the replay official and communicator, the league said in a statement: "The replay official erred in not overturning the ruling on the field that the Miami player had released the ball prior to his knee being down. If called, this would have ended the game." The league cited three other uncalled penalties.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 01, 2015, 02:12:06 PM
Frank Beamer is going to retire at the end of the season.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

QuoteACC SUSPENDS MIAMI-DUKE OFFICIATING CREW

Of the two-game suspension of the on-field officiating crew as well as the replay official and communicator, the league said in a statement: "The replay official erred in not overturning the ruling on the field that the Miami player had released the ball prior to his knee being down. If called, this would have ended the game." The league cited three other uncalled penalties.

Uh, Dorsey, you might want to rethink your position vis-a-vis mine!  :lol:

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 03:33:32 PM
Oh, and the Kelly thing was the most over-reacted-to event of the weekend.  He was right to shove his coach away from the official.  Only the head coach gets to argue calls.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 03:32:05 PM
A alum friend of mine who is pretty connected told me this was coming.  This wasn't Beamer's choice.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 01, 2015, 01:56:49 AM
My google fu utterly failed, but if yo guys haven't seen the UMass/Ball State kick return you absolutely have to see this.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2015, 04:02:04 PM

Then, you bizarrely went on to post this, without any evidence:

"The play was reviewed, and the egregious block in the back was called on the field (and over-ruled on review)."

I pointed out that while it was not clear what happened during to the penalty call because it was not explained on the field and the officials ran off the field immediately after the game concluded, it could not have been over ruled on review, because that is outside of the scope of the replay official. 

QuoteAnd in fact the ACC clarified that in fact the penalty was not overturned on review, but overturned based on consultations among the officials without using replay. Which is what I posted I guessed is what happened.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 06:50:16 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on November 01, 2015, 04:02:04 PM

Then, you bizarrely went on to post this, without any evidence:

"The play was reviewed, and the egregious block in the back was called on the field (and over-ruled on review)."

I pointed out that while it was not clear what happened during to the penalty call because it was not explained on the field and the officials ran off the field immediately after the game concluded, it could not have been over ruled on review, because that is outside of the scope of the replay official. 

Why is the flag for a block in the back not subject to review?  Most penalties are not reviewable, but this was clearly was reviewable because it was reviewed, and the flag picked up.  I don't know what is "bizarre" about it.

QuoteAnd in fact the ACC clarified that in fact the penalty was not overturned on review, but overturned based on consultations among the officials without using replay. Which is what I posted I guessed is what happened.

Edit: I see the later statement, which says that the on-field officials fucked that up, and the referee didn't make it clear that no review of that penalty was conducted.  The ACC also didn't make that clear in their earlier statement, which specifically mentioned the block in the back but didn't note that it was on-field incompetence, not booth incompetence, that caused the refs to blow that call.

QuoteIn any case, the ACC seems to reject your contention that my position was the equivalent of wanting "to call a penalty for every play a forensic inspection of a replay shows helmets touch during a block, or possibly someone blocked in the back, we will never again have a play without a penalty."  Rather, they agreed with my assessment of the refereeing and suspended the refs for two games.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 01:20:58 PM

QuoteACC SUSPENDS MIAMI-DUKE OFFICIATING CREW

Of the two-game suspension of the on-field officiating crew as well as the replay official and communicator, the league said in a statement: "The replay official erred in not overturning the ruling on the field that the Miami player had released the ball prior to his knee being down. If called, this would have ended the game." The league cited three other uncalled penalties.

Uh, Dorsey, you might want to rethink your position vis-a-vis mine!  :lol: 

Quote from: Berkut on November 01, 2015, 08:55:24 PM

Wow. That is pretty harsh.

Quote from: Berkut on November 01, 2015, 10:19:18 PM
Well, I don't buy that Duke is asking for the game to be "overturned". There is no such thing in college football, no matter how egregious the screwup.

Quote from: grumbler on November 01, 2015, 12:15:53 PM

Quote from: Berkut on November 01, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
I don't really disagree, I just don't agree that there is a "conflict of interest".

The officials do not have an interest in the outcome of the game, regardless of what conference they work for - but if it makes people feel better to have a third conference provide the officials, that is fine as well.

The idea, however, that officials have some idea in their head that since they work for the AAC, they really should try to see if they can make the AAC team win, is kind of tin-foil.

Okay, "conflict of interest" goes to far, but remember that this is AR, and if we ignored those statements of his that went to far, we would be ignoring him.  :P

I think that there probably is an unconscious bias in favor of the guys you work with multiple times in your career, and against guys you've never seen before and won't see again.

Quote from: Berkut on November 01, 2015, 10:19:18 PM
Well, I don't buy that Duke is asking for the game to be "overturned". There is no such thing in college football, no matter how egregious the screwup.

I am actually rather curious, since I know Denny Hennigan, the new AAC head of officiating. I know he was hired to bring a much higher level of professionalism and accountability to AAC officiating. I have to assume this is his call (although I cannot be certain of that of course).

But I know Denny - he is incredibly, almost ridiculously, straight and by the book. He is a really, really nice guy while at the same time holding himself (and presumably others) to an incredibly high set of standards.

Quote from: sbr on November 04, 2015, 08:02:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EwSP_yPa0w


Rebuttal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQnYfkDO5Ks

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 04, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
Are you seriously suggesting that college team fandom should be a factor in who you marry?  :lol:

Quote from: alfred russel on November 04, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 04, 2015, 09:01:14 PM
Are you seriously suggesting that college team fandom should be a factor in who you marry?  :lol:

Not really, but a marriage is at the end of a long process of asking out, dating, meeting family, etc. There are 300m people in the country, you have options: if you are a die hard Alabama fan, why would you start down that process with a die hard Auburn fan?

Quote from: alfred russel on November 04, 2015, 09:12:41 PM
There are 300m people in the country, you have options:

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 04, 2015, 08:47:55 PM
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Quote from: alfred russel on November 04, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
That house divided stuff annoys me. If you really cared that much, why wouldn't you marry another spouse? And if you don't, why are you advertising that you are a "house divided"?

Quote from: Valmy on November 04, 2015, 09:57:32 PM
The girl went with Bama while the boy went with Auburn. How Oedipal.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 04, 2015, 10:00:12 PM

Quote from: Valmy on November 04, 2015, 09:57:32 PM
The girl went with Bama while the boy went with Auburn. How Oedipal.

Alternatively, in that family Auburn is butch and Bama is fem.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 04, 2015, 10:00:12 PM
Alternatively, in that family Auburn is butch and Bama is fem.

Quote from: Valmy on November 04, 2015, 09:58:37 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on November 04, 2015, 08:58:51 PM
That house divided stuff annoys me. If you really cared that much, why wouldn't you marry another spouse? And if you don't, why are you advertising that you are a "house divided"?

Because it is fun? I presume the sort of Bama fan that would marry an Auburn fan is not the type that is poisoning trees. My mother went to OU so my parents are a house divided. Though actually she got her Masters at Texas so I guess she is a person divided.

Quote from: MadImmortalMan on November 04, 2015, 10:28:46 PM
Dorsey is a mamma's boy.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 04, 2015, 10:44:05 PM
Miami is fem.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 04, 2015, 11:15:08 PM
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Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 04, 2015, 11:16:36 PM

There's other Village People they could have done.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 08, 2015, 12:56:57 AM
Okay, so Kansas is really really bad. 

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 14, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Good trivia question during Cyclones game: who is the only true freshman to win a national championship since freshmen eligibility was reintroduced in 1972?

Quote from: sbr on November 14, 2015, 11:03:12 PM
Oregon probably just knocked the Pac-12 out of the National Playoffs, but I'll take the win against Stanford.  :showoff:

QuoteQ: You mentioned the run game. The last three games, teams have had a little more success running the football on you than they have previously. Is there something you've seen from your group that you want to change immediately? Something other teams are starting to pick up on?

JH: "We're looking at it. We're looking at all those ways. We have some ideas, but why say them to you? Tell you and you're liable to go tell somebody else, so will probably will just keep that to ourselves. That'd be the best course of action."

QuoteQ: Some of the guys said a couple weeks ago that you told them the rest of the way has to be a playoff-like mentality, a playoff-like attitude after that Michigan State loss. What does that mean when you say that?

JH: "Well, I mean, I just think back to any playoff situation that you've ever been in or that you know about, your own experience. I can draw on coaching teams in playoffs, being in playoffs as a player. When we were young and living over on Anderson Street in the summer we'd all get together in the morning and go play basketball at Pattengill Elementary School. Concrete basketball floor, two rims with the chains as the nets. You picked your team and you started playing. The team that won got to play the next game. If you lost you had to go to the side and pick a new team, and the goal was to play all the way to lunch. Didn't want to miss any games. To me, that's what- when you're in playoff situations you're going to play more games if you win. If you don't win then you've got to watch. We're in that kind of situation. If you win you get to keep playing after the next two games. If we don't, we don't; we watch. So...that's it. Facts are stubborn things."

Q: Lunch would be Indianapolis?

JH: "Lunch...what?"

Q: You said play to lunch.

JH: "Yeah."

Q: What's lunch for you?

JH: "Yeah, that would be having the opportunity to play in the championship game and the playoffs. Playoff situation, it's limited. It's limited in college football. Really, they have a four team playoff with a national championship, which is unlike any other sport in college athletics that I'm aware of, but at least we have one. Have it on a limited basis. I-AA subdivision, they have a 16-team playoff. I think if you looked at basketball, hockey, all the other sports in college, there's a playoff. So yeah, I personally love the playoff-type of situation and atmosphere. If you win you get to keep playing, you know."

Q: Unlike the Pattengill playground, you need someone else to win on the other court. Are you going to be rooting for Ohio State to beat Michigan State?

JH: "There was only one court at Pattengill."

Quote from: alfred russel on November 22, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
The SEC takes criticism every year about scheduling the week before rivalry week, but look at some of the OOC matchups this week:

Quote from: katmai on November 21, 2015, 08:14:37 PM
52-0 mid through 3rd. :o

Quote from: Peter Wiggin on November 22, 2015, 08:57:44 AM

Quote from: alfred russel on November 22, 2015, 12:01:52 AM
The SEC takes criticism every year about scheduling the week before rivalry week, but look at some of the OOC matchups this week:

I actually think it was a great decision. How many teams run triple option? For once, Georgia Tech won't be the first time in the season they're playing one of them.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 22, 2015, 10:43:44 AM
But yeah, I agree, if you are going to try to schedule a scrimmage for the second to last game of the year, scheduling Georgia Southern was a really good move.

Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2015, 07:20:15 AM

Still the OSU meltdown was glorious to see.  I wonder if Meyer will have the guts to suspend Elliot for a game.

Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2015, 07:20:15 AM
Of all the times for OSU to fuck up and lose a game...  :(

I hate the idea that Michigan's chances in the B10 no depend on Penn State beating the Spartans at home.

Still the OSU meltdown was glorious to see.  I wonder if Meyer will have the guts to suspend Elliot for a game.

Quote from: dps on November 23, 2015, 03:25:13 PM
It's going to be interesting to see where Elliot goes in the draft.  I don't see too many NFL head coaches wanting to embrace a guy who puts the blame on the coaching staff for a big loss.

Quote from: grumbler on November 23, 2015, 10:18:16 PM

Quote from: dps on November 23, 2015, 03:25:13 PM
It's going to be interesting to see where Elliot goes in the draft.  I don't see too many NFL head coaches wanting to embrace a guy who puts the blame on the coaching staff for a big loss.

I wonder if the fact that it is painfully obvious that Elliot was right will have an impact.

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 27, 2015, 05:12:33 PM
As a lifelong, fervent fan of the Hawkeyes I'm amped about their unbeaten record and #4 ranking.  :w00t:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 27, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
Huskers down by 11, 7 to play, 4th and 1 on the Iowa 20(ish), Nebraska runs a fade. Estupido.

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 06:45:46 PM
Huskies crushing Cougs 45-10 in 4th.

Quote from: grumbler on November 27, 2015, 06:55:08 PM

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 27, 2015, 06:35:06 PM
Huskers down by 11, 7 to play, 4th and 1 on the Iowa 20(ish), Nebraska runs a fade. Estupido.

That was the call that let Michigan beat Notre Dame in the 90s.  It's not a stupid call, if your offense has been struggling, because the struggles will only intensify as the field shortens.  The play needs play action to pull up the defense, but then it should be a one-on-one with your guy knowing the route.

Quote from: grumbler on November 27, 2015, 07:07:57 PM

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 06:45:46 PM
Huskies crushing Cougs 45-10 in 4th.

That's not as surprising as it probably should be.  Houston crushing Navy was a surprise, though.

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
What cockeyed world are we in where TCU and Baylor are the marquee teams from Texas??

Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 12:40:49 AM

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
What cockeyed world are we in where TCU and Baylor are the marquee teams from Texas??

The same one we have been in for the past three or four years?

Quote from: katmai on November 28, 2015, 01:04:54 AM
I know that Valmy, but in the grand old days of the SWC would this even be contemplated?

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
What cockeyed world are we in where TCU and Baylor are the marquee teams from Texas??

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
What cockeyed world are we in where TCU and Baylor are the marquee teams from Texas??

Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2015, 01:38:21 PM

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
What cockeyed world are we in where TCU and Baylor are the marquee teams from Texas??

Whatever you do, DO NOT blame Texas's head coach.  It is 0% his fault.

Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
But it's not his fault for not turning things around despite the enormous resources he has available to him.  Right???

Quote from: derspiess on November 28, 2015, 01:50:45 PM
But it's not his fault for not turning things around despite the enormous resources he has available to him.  Right???

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2015, 02:12:40 PM
Quality control coaches?? :unsure:

Quote from: Admiral Yi on November 28, 2015, 02:07:06 PM
Enjoyed watching Baylor and TCU flail around in the rain yesterday.

Even accounting for domes, isn't it weird how few games are played in heavy rain?

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
I think that may be a low moment in Texas football history.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 01:10:42 PM

Quote from: katmai on November 27, 2015, 08:21:29 PM
What cockeyed world are we in where TCU and Baylor are the marquee teams from Texas??

Texas Tech ran what may have been the stupidest trick play I've ever seen in college football (Chuck Pagano established a class by himself). With 3 minutes to go in a one score game, they lined up in the victory formation. 100% give away it is a trick play--why would you ever kneel down with that much time left? It is also a highly ineffective formation to actually run a play out of.

As dumb as that was, Texas responded to sticking its thumb up its ass and surrendering a 50+ yard touchdown.

I think that may be a low moment in Texas football history.

Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 02:16:01 PM

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
I think that may be a low moment in Texas football history.

LOLZ if only. MAYBE bottom 10 this season. Actually I was not entirely bummed about that, it meant Tech couldn't run any time off the clock and gave Texas another chance. But they were not able to recover the onside kick so there we are.

But that is what happens when you hire one of those defensive hacks from the State of Florida. They obviously don't know shit about football in that state.

Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 02:22:30 PM
Compared to Texas Tech's tackling they looked like pros.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 02:23:55 PM
I'm just dumbfounded that Texas Tech ran that play, and even more dumbfounded it worked.  :P

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 28, 2015, 02:16:26 PM

I'm not sure you actually watched that play.  They lined up like that specifically to hide the guy they wanted to run the ball, and he scored not because everyone was standing around doing nothing because of the victory formation or whatever, but because they just couldn't make a tackle despite being in position to do so, which is a continuing problem with the Texas defense regardless of the formation the O lines up in.

Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 02:27:17 PM

I wasn't. Our team is not very bright.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 02:27:36 PM
I of course watched the play.  :)

I still don't get it though. If Texas couldn't make a tackle, why not just line up and run a normal play? Why line up in a formation that should fool no one, and effectively only play with 10 people (because the RB lined up as a safety in the play is out of the play before it even begins)?

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 28, 2015, 02:29:45 PM

Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 02:27:17 PM

I wasn't. Our team is not very bright.

I liked how, I didn't catch the numbers, the two DBs that were directly in front of him ended up taking each other out of the play.  Well the one to the inside of the field took the guy who was on the sidelines out by essentially blocking him instead of staying a bit out and not allowing the tiny dude to just run by.

Quote from: Valmy on November 28, 2015, 02:33:57 PM
They always are running around clueless. Texas is such a poorly coached team. The funny thing is they shattered the team record for GPA so Strong at least has that going for him. If he didn't no way he could survive this year.

On the plus side I never paid more than $25.00 for any ticket this year and went to every home game. I had a shit load of fun this year at least.

Quote from: MadBurgerMaker on November 28, 2015, 02:31:16 PM

It seems to be confusing you quite a bit for something so simple.  It's a trick running play.  Even if it gets stopped, which it should have been, it still runs the clock.  Trick plays can have big upside though.  Everyone rolled to the opposite side, but it didn't clear everyone out like they probably hoped.  A DL couldn't catch little dude, two DBs dumbassed their way out of the play.  No one else could catch him.

Quote from: alfred russel on November 28, 2015, 02:43:13 PM

This is what is confusing me.

Texas Tech wants to run a misdirection running play? I totally get that. Hide a tiny running back behind some massive dudes to make it tough to pick up on the misdirection? I totally get that too.

Line up in victory formation with a deep safety? That I don't get. What is the purpose of the deep safety?
-if you think Texas will be fooled into thinking you will take a knee, that is stupid. Texas should know that won't happen.
-if you think Texas won't be fooled, get the guy up on the line so he can help block. Or line him up as a WR on the right side of the formation, so Texas has to cover him and shift the defense to that side, while you run to the left.

It seems to me that Texas Tech effectively ran a 10 man play, that would deserve massive ridicule had Texas stuffed it as the rightfully should have, but somehow it went for a touchdown.