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Title: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Archy on March 12, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
QuoteA new design for a €2 coin featuring a map of a European battle is proving divisive in Brussels.

The design shows an image of the Lion Hill memorial at Waterloo, near Brussels. It was submitted by Belgium to commemorate the battle fought there on 18 June 1815.

But one member of the European Union thinks it is in rather poor taste.

In a letter of objection, the French government argues the design contains a "negative" symbol for some Europeans.

The letter contends that the Battle of Waterloo, in which Napoleon was defeated, is an event with particular resonance in the European collective memory and goes beyond being just an instance of military conflict.

The coins could prompt an unfavourable reaction in France, the letter warns, at just the time that eurozone governments are trying to strengthen unity and co-operation.

'Fuss in Paris'
Not everyone agrees that Waterloo is laden with so much meaning in the 21st Century, reports the BBC's Chris Morris in Brussels.

One diplomat expressed surprise that "two centuries later a proposal for some loose change with an image of a hill on it can cause such a fuss in Paris," our correspondent adds.

Belgium must now decide whether it is willing to withdraw or amend the design.

If it chooses to stick with it as it is, there will be a majority vote among members of the eurozone on whether the new coin should be minted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31841421 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31841421)

How long till France surrenders to belgium :nelson:
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 09:24:05 AM
Quote from: Archy on March 12, 2015, 09:17:25 AM
How long till France surrenders to belgium :nelson:

Whatever.  Belgium surrendered first.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
By all means, celebrate monarchist absolutism.  What's next, Council Of Vienna finger cookies?  A McMetternich with Cheese?
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Duque de Bragança on March 12, 2015, 09:29:25 AM
French press did not mention it  :tinfoil:
Too busy celebrating PSG qualification for the Champions' League quarter finals  :frog:

PS: lemonde.fr mentioned it eventually at 20.00 CET
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
I'll take a Davout, hold the Bernadotte sauce.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Agelastus on March 12, 2015, 09:55:01 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
By all means, celebrate monarchist absolutism.  What's next, Council Of Vienna finger cookies?  A McMetternich with Cheese?

A celebration of Prussian militarism, Dutch domination, and the largest EU economy not in the Eurozone, perhaps? :hmm:

Oh wait, that's what they are doing.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: The Brain on March 12, 2015, 01:05:00 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
By all means, celebrate monarchist absolutism.  What's next, Council Of Vienna finger cookies?  A McMetternich with Cheese?

I don't follow.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: The Minsky Moment on March 12, 2015, 01:11:36 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on March 12, 2015, 09:27:17 AM
By all means, celebrate monarchist absolutism.

The only absolute things about George IV were his gluttony and dissolution.
Louis XVIII was another whose ambitions did not extend very far past his ample dinner table.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 12, 2015, 01:11:36 PM
Louis XVIII was another whose ambitions did not extend very far past his ample dinner table.

Well beyond his treasonous stirring up of counter-revolution in exile :angry:

Of course he would almost certainly have been executed if he had stayed but still.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
Germany needs to do a 1940 commemorative design with that French dude crying.  Then Belgium's won't look so bad.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:17:48 PM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
Germany needs to do a 1940 commemorative design with that French dude crying.  Then Belgium's won't look so bad.

I think France should do an annexation of Belgium commemorative.  Then an 1806 occupation of Berlin one.

Hell once this dam breaks the trolling commemorative coins might never end.



Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Barrister on March 12, 2015, 03:26:08 PM
But Belgium didn't actually fight (or even exist) during Waterloo.  They're just commemorating the fact a battle was fought, not who won or lost.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Habbaku on March 12, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
Quote from: The Minsky Moment on March 12, 2015, 01:11:36 PM
Louis XVIII was another whose ambitions did not extend very far past his ample dinner table.

Well beyond his treasonous stirring up of counter-revolution in exile :angry:

Of course he would almost certainly have been executed if he had stayed but still.

How is one treasonous against oneself?   :hmm: :royalist:
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Eddie Teach on March 12, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
Shouldn't Sweden be the one commemorating Waterloo?  :hmm:
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:17:48 PM
I think France should do an annexation of Belgium commemorative.  Then an 1806 occupation of Berlin one.

A post-WWI Rhineland Occupation one would probably be good-- maybe one featuring a Rheinlandbastard.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: mongers on March 12, 2015, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on March 12, 2015, 03:29:18 PM
Shouldn't Sweden be the one commemorating Waterloo?  :hmm:

They should have done that last april as it was the 40th anniversary. :gasp:
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:36:28 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 12, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
How is one treasonous against oneself?   :hmm: :royalist:

He was French and thus his first loyalty was to the nation! 
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Barrister on March 12, 2015, 03:38:20 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:36:28 PM
Quote from: Habbaku on March 12, 2015, 03:27:51 PM
How is one treasonous against oneself?   :hmm: :royalist:

He was French and thus his first loyalty was to the nation!

"L'État, c'est moi"
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2015, 03:38:20 PM
"L'État, c'est moi"

Like the Duke of Provence ever showed Louis XVI that much deference.  He actually worked to undermine his ministers.  Hardly a believer in absolute monarchy.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: celedhring on March 12, 2015, 04:02:16 PM
Brits are really missing a trick by not joining the Euro and releasing Trafalgar and Agincourt coins.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Razgovory on March 12, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
I always thought they should rebuild the Tannenburg monument.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: PDH on March 12, 2015, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
I'll take a Davout, hold the Bernadotte sauce.

The coin would have looked different with a Davout and cheese, hold the Ney - oh, and a side order of Grouchy arriving before it got cold.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Ed Anger on March 12, 2015, 06:56:20 PM
Quote from: PDH on March 12, 2015, 06:54:19 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on March 12, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
I'll take a Davout, hold the Bernadotte sauce.

The coin would have looked different with a Davout and cheese, hold the Ney - oh, and a side order of Grouchy arriving before it got cold.

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Rex Francorum on March 12, 2015, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Barrister on March 12, 2015, 03:38:20 PM
"L'État, c'est moi"

Like the Duke of Provence ever showed Louis XVI that much deference.  He actually worked to undermine his ministers.  Hardly a believer in absolute monarchy.

Yeah, rather a plutocracy.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: The Brain on March 13, 2015, 01:18:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 12, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
I always thought they should rebuild the Tannenburg monument.

What is Tannenburg?
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Archy on March 13, 2015, 03:36:17 AM
Quote from: derspiess on March 12, 2015, 03:30:56 PM
Quote from: Valmy on March 12, 2015, 03:17:48 PM
I think France should do an annexation of Belgium commemorative.  Then an 1806 occupation of Berlin one.

A post-WWI Rhineland Occupation one would probably be good-- maybe one featuring a Rheinlandbastard.
That would be a good compromise, since we helped the French than.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Razgovory on March 13, 2015, 05:03:08 AM
Quote from: The Brain on March 13, 2015, 01:18:46 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on March 12, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
I always thought they should rebuild the Tannenburg monument.

What is Tannenburg?

Bite my fat, hairy ass.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 13, 2015, 07:31:16 AM
Quote from: Archy on March 13, 2015, 03:36:17 AM
That would be a good compromise, since we helped the French than.

See?  European Unity can be more than just a dream.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Sheilbh on March 13, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
Quote from: celedhring on March 12, 2015, 04:02:16 PM
Brits are really missing a trick by not joining the Euro and releasing Trafalgar and Agincourt coins.
It could be a beautiful endless trolling operation :blush:

'This year we're celebrating the 427th anniversary of God smiting the Armada! Next year the 363rd anniversary of the Battle of the Gabbard! :o :lol:
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Richard Hakluyt on March 13, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
The 670th anniversary of the battle of Neville's Cross comes up next year too  :cool:
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 13, 2015, 07:54:46 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 13, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
The 670th anniversary of the battle of Neville's Cross comes up next year too  :cool:


You should send a card to Alex Salmond
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 13, 2015, 07:55:24 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on March 13, 2015, 06:32:17 PM
It could be a beautiful endless trolling operation :blush:

'This year we're celebrating the 427th anniversary of God smiting the Armada! Next year the 363rd anniversary of the Battle of the Gabbard! :o :lol:

You guys have the unfair advantage of being on the winning side of virtually every European War.  It could go on and on
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Ed Anger on March 13, 2015, 07:59:56 PM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on March 13, 2015, 07:44:51 PM
The 670th anniversary of the battle of Neville's Cross comes up next year too  :cool:

The problem with Scotland is that it is full of Scots.
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: 11B4V on March 13, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
hehe France sucks
Title: Re: France objects to Waterloo euro coin
Post by: Valmy on March 14, 2015, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: 11B4V on March 13, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
hehe France sucks

But they do it with panache.