Thumbs down for me. Guillotine would be a lot more humane, hanging more traditional.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/13/utah-executions-firing-squad/23378069/
QuoteUtah House votes to resurrect firing squads
Michael Winter, USA TODAY 3:11 a.m. EST February 14, 2015
With lethal injection under review by the U.S. Supreme Court, the Utah House of Representatives on Friday approved legislation to resume executions by firing squad, which were halted in 2004.
The bill, which narrowly cleared the Republican-controlled chamber, faces uncertain prospects in the GOP-dominated Senate, and Republican Gov. Gary Herbert has not said whether he would sign it into law.
The measure comes amid a shortage of execution drugs, which pharmaceutical companies are refusing to provide, and the Supreme Court's decision last month to block three executions in Oklahoma as it reviews the three-drug cocktail the state uses to put inmates to death.
In a notorious execution last April that has focused attention on lethal injection, Oklahoma murderer Clayton Lockett writhed, groaned and struggled before being declared dead of a heart attack 43 minutes after the drugs were injected.
Gruesome accounts of prolonged or botched executions with drugs were also widely reported in Arizona and Ohio.
The Utah bill proposes firing squads as a backup if specified drugs aren't available 30 days before an execution or if lethal injection is declared unconstitutional.
"It is never easy to talk about taking another life, but in our judicial system we have a means that requires that sometimes," said the bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Paul Ray.
He believes that using trained marksmen is faster and more humane than the needle.
"We have to have an option," Ray said at a news conference Wednesday. "If we go hanging, if we go to the guillotine, or we go to the firing squad, electric chair, you're still going to have the same circus atmosphere behind it. So is it really going to matter?"
Until lawmakers changed the law after international criticism and media attention, condemned prisoners could choose death by firing squad.
Opponents again argue firing squads evoke crude Wild West justice and would tarnish the state's image.
Democratic Rep. Brian King, who voted against the measure, called gunshot executions "barbaric."
In an NBC poll after the botched Oklahoma execution, 12% backed firing squads. The most popular alternatives were the gas chamber (20%) and electric chair (18%). Only 8% endorsed hanging.
Oklahoma law also allows for firing squad -- but only if lethal injection and electrocution are ruled unconstitutional.
Worldwide, firing squads are also employed to execute criminals in Indonesia, Syria and the United Arab Emirates.
I'd think gas would be the most humane way (Like carbon monoxide...it kills plenty of people by accident), but the Nazis pretty much forever tainted all forms of gaseous executions.
Tyrants, fanatics and inhuman regimes have tainted death penalty for everyone. :(
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 11:01:32 AM
I'd think gas would be the most humane way (Like carbon monoxide...it kills plenty of people by accident), but the Nazis pretty much forever tainted all forms of gaseous executions.
Not really. The gas chamber just measures how long someone can hold their breath when their life depends on it.
Firing squads. How romantic. :wub:
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 12:11:45 PM
Firing squads. How romantic. :wub:
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:habsburg: :wub:
I actually don't get the big deal. Execution should be as close to instantaneous death as possible, and from what's been observed so far, a firing squad would be much closer to that than a lethal injection.
If they're really worried about a "wild west" image of justice, maybe they should really be considering the amount of convicts they execute instead.
How do they get trigger men?
Maybe instead of a firing squad they could just shoot the person in the back of the head from close range?
Better than the electric chair.
Bring back lions.
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 15, 2015, 12:42:28 PM
I actually don't get the big deal. Execution should be as close to instantaneous death as possible, and from what's been observed so far, a firing squad would be much closer to that than a lethal injection.
Shouldn't they go with a neck shot then?
I see Zanza and I both favor SS death squad executions. :ph34r:
Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2015, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 15, 2015, 12:42:28 PM
I actually don't get the big deal. Execution should be as close to instantaneous death as possible, and from what's been observed so far, a firing squad would be much closer to that than a lethal injection.
Shouldn't they go with a neck shot then?
Brain stem.
Or even better, instead of execution, we can imprison convicts in giant caged hamster wheels to generate electricity.
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 15, 2015, 01:10:16 PM
Quote from: Syt on February 15, 2015, 01:06:17 PM
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 15, 2015, 12:42:28 PM
I actually don't get the big deal. Execution should be as close to instantaneous death as possible, and from what's been observed so far, a firing squad would be much closer to that than a lethal injection.
Shouldn't they go with a neck shot then?
Brain stem.
I meant base of the skull, in German "Genick". Something like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genickschussanlage
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 01:10:37 PM
Or even better, instead of execution, we can imprison convicts in giant caged hamster wheels to generate electricity.
...which is then stored in giant capacitors and used in electric chairs to execute them.
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 02:11:11 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 01:10:37 PM
Or even better, instead of execution, we can imprison convicts in giant caged hamster wheels to generate electricity.
...which is then stored in giant capacitors and used in electric chairs to execute them.
:lol:
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
What if they have good health insurance, and free water bottles?
Quote from: lustindarkness on February 15, 2015, 03:44:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
What if they have good health insurance, and free water bottles?
Free water bottles? Well ok I would have to think about it.
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
I bet they could get lots of volunteers.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 03:58:10 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
I bet they could get lots of volunteers.
We have a hell of a time finding people in Texas to just do lethal injections. But maybe an opportunity to use guns will bring out a certain demographic.
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 04:00:49 PM
We have a hell of a time finding people in Texas to just do lethal injections. But maybe an opportunity to use guns will bring out a certain demographic.
Yeah, but you are trying to get doctors for that, and you have a bunch of interest groups asking questions about medical ethics and licensing.
I thought the injection folks were all techs.
Quote from: Zanza on February 15, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
Maybe instead of a firing squad they could just shoot the person in the back of the head from close range?
Didn't they do that in Russia?
Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 15, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
Maybe instead of a firing squad they could just shoot the person in the back of the head from close range?
Didn't they do that in Russia?
Not nearly enough. :(
Quote from: celedhring on February 15, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
Quote from: Zanza on February 15, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
Maybe instead of a firing squad they could just shoot the person in the back of the head from close range?
Didn't they do that in Russia?
The Chinese have a system based on swift and efficient executions, that seems to reduce the stress suffered by the condemned people.
Of course they fall down rather on the whole justice and the guilty/not-guilty bit.
Quote from: Zanza on February 15, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
Maybe instead of a firing squad they could just shoot the person in the back of the head from close range?
In the U.S., the defendant has the right to face his accuser, even during the sentencing phase.
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
Don't worry, you might be the one with the blank.
Quote from: Drakken on February 15, 2015, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:16:15 PM
Man I would hate to be one of the guys asked to gun down one of those poor bastards.
Don't worry, you might be the one with the blank.
You'd know from the lack of recoil if you just fired a blank round.
Dummy (wax) rounds are sometimes used (they have realistic recoil), but blanks are only used by people running a firing squad who don't quite know what they are doing. :P
Grumbler remembers nailing captured slaves to the crosses on the Appian Way.
A decade or two ago, executions were primarily by firing squad in China. They now mainly use lethal injection.
Quote from: Monoriu on February 15, 2015, 07:08:30 PM
A decade or two ago, executions were primarily by firing squad in China. They now mainly use lethal injection.
Fascinating.
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 15, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
Grumbler remembers nailing captured slaves to the crosses on the Appian Way.
He was stationed in Judea in the time of Christ, and even hear him speak once. It was at that "he who is without sin cast the first stone" thing. He ran off to find the biggest rock he could.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 15, 2015, 08:19:41 PM
Quote from: Ed Anger on February 15, 2015, 06:33:12 PM
Grumbler remembers nailing captured slaves to the crosses on the Appian Way.
He was stationed in Judea in the time of Christ, and even hear him speak once. It was at that "he who is without sin cast the first stone" thing. He ran off to find the biggest rock he could.
Legio X Fretensis FTW
Grumbles is my hero
You know, I really wouldn't mind if the Utah legislature brought back execution by stoning.
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 06:27:28 PM
You'd know from the lack of recoil if you just fired a blank round.
Dummy (wax) rounds are sometimes used (they have realistic recoil), but blanks are only used by people running a firing squad who don't quite know what they are doing. :P
IIRC, that's what they had done when they executed Gary Gilmore : they used volunteer police officers who didn't know what they were doing. :hmm:
That's an odd way of asking for volunteers.
On second thought, considering the brain stem comment, maybe we should take a page from the No Country for Old Men playbook and just use cattle bolts to the base of the skull. Super-efficient and relatively cheap, especially for agriculture-heavy states. :P
Quote from: DontSayBanana on February 15, 2015, 10:26:59 PM
On second thought, considering the brain stem comment, maybe we should take a page from the No Country for Old Men playbook and just use cattle bolts to the base of the skull. Super-efficient and relatively cheap, especially for agriculture-heavy states. :P
They give a good kick. Fucking scary machines to use.
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
But that would mean the US can no longer be part of the elite club consisting of China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Belarus.
Can't it be done by tigers?
I mean, if you're going for rule of cool evil villainy as well go the whole way
Quote from: Martinus on February 16, 2015, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
But that would mean the US can no longer be part of the elite club consisting of China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Belarus.
And we'd have to join the same club as Russia, Cambodia and Angola.
Quote from: Razgovory on February 16, 2015, 02:28:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 16, 2015, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
But that would mean the US can no longer be part of the elite club consisting of China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Belarus.
And we'd have to join the same club as Russia, Cambodia and Angola.
If you can show me a single civilized country that has death penalty, please do.
Quote from: Martinus on February 16, 2015, 02:57:52 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 16, 2015, 02:28:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 16, 2015, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
But that would mean the US can no longer be part of the elite club consisting of China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Belarus.
And we'd have to join the same club as Russia, Cambodia and Angola.
If you can show me a single civilized country that has death penalty, please do.
Besides the US? Japan.
Singapore and Taiwan too. Not sure if you count India as civilised, but it is a democracy.
If you support life imprisonment, you support both the death penalty and torture.
If you support only long prison sentences short of life, then congratulations. You only support torture.
Quote from: Ideologue on February 16, 2015, 03:35:29 AM
If you support life imprisonment, you support both the death penalty and torture.
If you support only long prison sentences short of life, then congratulations. You only support torture.
Bet if there were some Jews up in this motherfucker, there'd be some executions going on in Europe. For real. No doubt. You know dat's right.
Quote from: Monoriu on February 16, 2015, 03:20:09 AM
Singapore and Taiwan too. Not sure if you count India as civilised, but it is a democracy.
I wouldn't call Singapore civilised. It is a dictatorship.
This "all the cool kids are doing it" argument would work a lot better if y'all didn't act like retards so often.
Pssst. It's not an act.
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
That's been tried as well - in fact, most US states don't kill prisoners.
It doesn't work, though. Criminals still torture and kill innocent people, even in states where prisoners aren't killed.
Thanks for the suggestion, though. At least you are trying to help.
I thought it odd that he was posting that shortly after we had just had a discussion about a Euro killer who seemed to get too little time for his previous violent attempt.
Quote from: Martinus on February 16, 2015, 02:57:52 AM
Quote from: Razgovory on February 16, 2015, 02:28:55 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 16, 2015, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
But that would mean the US can no longer be part of the elite club consisting of China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Belarus.
And we'd have to join the same club as Russia, Cambodia and Angola.
If you can show me a single civilized country that has death penalty, please do.
AR did. So I suppose you can start with the mea culpas.
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
The argument for that system is that it is kinder to the prisoners. They don't have to count down the days remaining in their life, since they don't know the days remaining, and they become inured to the idea that death could come any given day. Maybe it is a Japanese thing.
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
I don't know--it kind of seems like the system Jesus has imposed on all of us.
Quote from: alfred russel on February 16, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
I don't know--it kind of seems like the system Jesus has imposed on all of us.
You've been kidnapped by some Hispanic named Jesus?
Quote from: grumbler on February 16, 2015, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 16, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
I don't know--it kind of seems like the system Jesus has imposed on all of us.
You've been kidnapped by some Hispanic named Jesus?
And he keeps on about loving him and I'm supposed to be on my knees before him. :(
Quote from: grumbler on February 16, 2015, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 16, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
I don't know--it kind of seems like the system Jesus has imposed on all of us.
You've been kidnapped by some Hispanic named Jesus?
I think he was talking about Mr. Christ.
Quote from: DGuller on February 16, 2015, 11:41:33 AM
Quote from: grumbler on February 16, 2015, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 16, 2015, 11:32:50 AM
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
I don't know--it kind of seems like the system Jesus has imposed on all of us.
You've been kidnapped by some Hispanic named Jesus?
I think he was talking about Mr. Christ.
Mr. J. Christ has not, insofar as I know, imposed anything on Mr. A. Russel and family. Unless there is something Mr. A. Russel isn't telling us about (presumably involving stigmata and the like).
Quote from: garbon on February 16, 2015, 10:09:14 AM
I thought it odd that he was posting that shortly after we had just had a discussion about a Euro killer who seemed to get too little time for his previous violent attempt.
You guys commenting on the Danish justice system is about as insightful and relevant as Euros commenting on the US system - with the difference that that Euros tend to be more relevant as they are at least exposed to the US media.
And I give a fuck because? :)
Quote from: garbon on February 16, 2015, 03:37:05 PM
And I give a fuck because? :)
And I give a fuck about your fuck-giving because? :)
It's fucks all the way down.
^_^
The Danish sure know how to make breakfast pastries.
Quote from: Jacob on February 16, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 16, 2015, 03:37:05 PM
And I give a fuck because? :)
And I give a fuck about your fuck-giving because? :)
I've no idea why you posted that initial post I quoted. :(
Quote from: garbon on February 16, 2015, 05:45:45 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 16, 2015, 03:48:03 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 16, 2015, 03:37:05 PM
And I give a fuck because? :)
And I give a fuck about your fuck-giving because? :)
I've no idea why you posted that initial post I quoted. :(
It's alright, no worries :)
Quote from: Kleves on February 16, 2015, 11:19:25 AM
My understanding is that, in the Japanese system, the prisoners don't know the date of their execution. Instead, they are told the day of. That means they have to wake up every day, knowing that it might be their last. That's some Dread Pirate Roberts shit right there.
Sounds very Japanese.
The entire justice system there seems to be heavily based around psychological torture.
Quote from: Zoupa on February 15, 2015, 11:37:00 PM
How bout y'all don't kill prisoners instead?
/euro ball of light
We tried that for several decades and it didn't take. Not sure why.
And...