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Title: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 10:53:29 AM
Several shots was fired at Krudttønden where a debate with cartoonist Lars Vilks was held. 30-40 rounds apparently and at least on police officer hit.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/reports-shots-fired-copenhagen-cafe-free-speech-event-28967589
QuoteDanish media say several shots have been fired at a cafe in Copenhagen where a meeting about freedom of speech was being held, organized by Swedish artist Lars Vilks, who has faced numerous threats for caricaturing the Prophet Muhammad in 2007.

The TV2 channel said Saturday there were some 30 bullet holes in the window of the Krudttoenden cafe and said at least two people were taken away on stretchers, including a uniformed police officer.

Helle Merete Brix, one of the organizers of the event, told The Associated Press that Vilks was present at the event but not injured. When the artist is in Denmark, he receives police protection.

The cafe in northern Copenhagen, known for its jazz concerts, was hosting an event titled "Art, blasphemy and the freedom of expression" when the shots were fired.

Niels Ivar Larsen, one of the speakers at the event, told the TV2 channel that he saw two wounded people.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 10:54:50 AM
Lars Vilks is swedish and has drawn Muhammad cartoons. The debate was on "Freedom of Expression".
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: jimmy olsen on February 14, 2015, 11:02:26 AM
This just popped up on CNN, they reported 3 policemen shot and wounded.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: mongers on February 14, 2015, 11:15:05 AM
Whatever the outcome we can't allow these nutters in our midst to terrorise us one iota; carrying on with normal life will eventually defeat IS/ISIL.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
2 shooters and they're still at large. 3 policemen shot, 1 guest, no fatalities. Neither the French ambassador or Lars Vilks has been hit.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 11:19:16 AM
Scratch that, one person is dead. :(
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 14, 2015, 11:21:12 AM
Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 11:27:48 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B90O0OrIEAEdIKK.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: The Brain on February 14, 2015, 11:44:26 AM
Quote from: mongers on February 14, 2015, 11:15:05 AM
Whatever the outcome we can't allow these nutters in our midst to terrorise us one iota; carrying on with normal life will eventually defeat IS/ISIL.

That ship sailed long ago.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 14, 2015, 12:19:14 PM
These atheist shooters are out of control.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: garbon on February 14, 2015, 12:25:01 PM
Always a class act.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: schaksen on February 14, 2015, 01:04:02 PM
It's not nice when a thing like that happens in my childhood neighborhood.

It's semi-ironic that the venue is called "the powderkeg"
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Sheilbh on February 14, 2015, 01:14:44 PM
Incredible tweet from the French ambassador as this was all going on:
QuoteFrankrigs ambassadør Verified account
‏@francedk
Still alive in the room
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
From what I understand they actually finished the debate before being evacuated.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: DGuller on February 14, 2015, 01:19:23 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 14, 2015, 01:17:22 PM
From what I understand they actually finished the debate before being evacuated.
What was their conclusion?  "Fears of backlash are overblown"?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: 11B4V on February 14, 2015, 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 14, 2015, 10:53:29 AM
Several shots was fired at Krudttønden where a debate with cartoonist Lars Vilks was held. 30-40 rounds apparently and at least on police officer hit.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/reports-shots-fired-copenhagen-cafe-free-speech-event-28967589
Quote

Well, danish gun control seems effective. The use of an old Krag riflie is far less damaging than an assault rifle.  :P
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 01:20:06 PM
Also, the Small Country Syndrome has kicked in:

"CNN. BBC. Miami Herald. The Telegraph. The Guardian. Huffington Post. Reuters. Al Jazeera. MSNBC. ABC News. Just some of the outlets that has terror in Denmark as headline" writes a proud Danish newspaper.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 01:25:37 PM
Description from the police of one of the gunmen: "Arabic looking, but lighter than normal, with smooth black hair".
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
Children's Eurovision out trends the Danish hashtag for the shooting. Well done, Denmark, well done.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: garbon on February 14, 2015, 03:12:55 PM
Not sure what your stance is from that post but I think it is a good thing if we don't sensationalize these events too much.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 03:16:16 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 14, 2015, 03:12:55 PM
Not sure what your stance is from that post but I think it is a good thing if we don't sensationalize these events too much.

I applaud it, the newspapers are running mad speculating while the Danes go about their business watching kids have fun.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: garbon on February 14, 2015, 03:24:49 PM
Alright. :)
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 14, 2015, 04:44:33 PM
I'm conflicted. I can't decide which is more important - whipping the general public into an anti-muslim frenzy or recruiting the young into the homosexual lifestyle.  :hmm:
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Crazy_Ivan80 on February 14, 2015, 05:10:28 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 14, 2015, 04:44:33 PM
I'm conflicted. I can't decide which is more important - whipping the general public into an anti-muslim frenzy or recruiting the young into the homosexual lifestyle.  :hmm:

the first. once that problem is solved the gay community will have one less fear to worry about.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: mongers on February 14, 2015, 05:18:13 PM

On this bbc news page there's a link to audio of the attack as it started, very dramatic.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31472423 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31472423)

To my uneducated hear it sounds close and more deliberate shooting, not just some guy with an ak47 praying and spraying
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 14, 2015, 05:56:52 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 14, 2015, 04:44:33 PM
I'm conflicted. I can't decide which is more important - whipping the general public into an anti-muslim frenzy or recruiting the young into the homosexual lifestyle.  :hmm:

You know, that shaming thread gave me some ideas...
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 08:12:16 PM
More shootings, this time at a synagogue in the central part of town. Two policemen hit and one person is shot in the head.

Fuck.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
Everything will be fine as long as you go about your normal daily routine.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 08:16:28 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
Everything will be fine as long as you go about your normal daily routine.

The normal routine on a saturday involves several thousands extremely drunk people in the central part of town! But I've heard that you have a better chance of surviving a gunshot if drunk, so no problem.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: mongers on February 14, 2015, 08:35:45 PM
Maybe the presence of the armed police at the cartoon debate stopped a massacre.

I wonder if some of the firing recorded was them and/or the Swedish cartoonists bodyguard returning fire?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: KRonn on February 14, 2015, 10:02:31 PM
I've been following this on the news, it's getting a lot of coverage. Good luck there Danes in dealing with this, it's scary and dangerous.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 10:04:23 PM
Civilian shot at synagogue is now dead. :(
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 14, 2015, 10:06:28 PM
I'm at work right now watching the police briefing. This is terrible.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: KRonn on February 14, 2015, 10:19:07 PM
Sorry to hear this going on there Liep, and the loss of life. It's sad and tough going through these attacks.   :(
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 14, 2015, 10:24:14 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 14, 2015, 08:13:26 PM
Everything will be fine as long as you go about your normal daily routine.

Well that was sort of my plan. 
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 14, 2015, 10:55:19 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 14, 2015, 08:12:16 PM
More shootings, this time at a synagogue in the central part of town. Two policemen hit and one person is shot in the head.

Fuck.

That's where my parents got married.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: MadImmortalMan on February 14, 2015, 11:11:14 PM
(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.meme.am%2Finstances%2F250x250%2F56322227.jpg&hash=33a06251b4c9dfc39940ef566df68f1ee381bb44)
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: jimmy olsen on February 14, 2015, 11:53:09 PM
Shootout at a train station

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/566819414087958528
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: viper37 on February 15, 2015, 12:29:09 AM
Sorry to hear about that, it's terrible when it happens :(

My deepest condolances to all the families of the victims :(
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:32:05 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 14, 2015, 10:04:23 PM
Civilian shot at synagogue is now dead. :(

Wtf. There was also a shooting at a synagogue? I missed that.

Isn't it interesting how muslim terrorists always go for killing some Jews, no matter who they are actually targetting and for what offense?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:33:17 AM
Also is Raz getting a ban for his threat?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: The Brain on February 15, 2015, 04:00:39 AM
I'm getting a wee bit tired of this Muslim business.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 04:11:38 AM
Quote from: The Brain on February 15, 2015, 04:00:39 AM
I'm getting a wee bit tired of this Muslim business.

You aren't the only one.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 15, 2015, 04:56:49 AM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:33:17 AM
Also is Raz getting a ban for his threat?

I didn't threaten you.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 15, 2015, 05:00:16 AM
At least they got the bastard. I hope they never release his name so he can rot under ground in total obscurity.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
QuoteIsrael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decried the attack and said his government plans to encourage a "massive immigration" of Jews from Europe.

"Again, Jews were murdered on European soil just because they were Jews," Netanyahu said at the start of his Cabinet meeting Sunday. "This wave of attacks is expected to continue, as well as murderous anti-Semitic attacks. Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home."

This.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
QuoteIsrael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decried the attack and said his government plans to encourage a "massive immigration" of Jews from Europe.

"Again, Jews were murdered on European soil just because they were Jews," Netanyahu said at the start of his Cabinet meeting Sunday. "This wave of attacks is expected to continue, as well as murderous anti-Semitic attacks. Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home."

This.

Well, it seems you can either have Jews or Muslims in Europe. Personally, I'd prefer Jews, hands down.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: garbon on February 15, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
QuoteIsrael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decried the attack and said his government plans to encourage a "massive immigration" of Jews from Europe.

"Again, Jews were murdered on European soil just because they were Jews," Netanyahu said at the start of his Cabinet meeting Sunday. "This wave of attacks is expected to continue, as well as murderous anti-Semitic attacks. Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home."

This.

Is lame?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 15, 2015, 10:00:37 AM
Policemen laying flowers at Krudttønden.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95CcgNIIAE8Kku.jpg)

Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 15, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
I didn't even know the police had camouflaged uniforms.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95PHEzIEAA1CQ7.jpg)
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 11:16:31 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 15, 2015, 05:00:16 AM
At least they got the bastard.

Good.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 11:41:43 AM
I wonder if there is any depth to which Netanyahu will not stoop?  His comments here argue for "no."
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 12:07:38 PM
Quote from: garbon on February 15, 2015, 09:47:23 AM
Is lame?

For centuries European Jews didnt have much choice in the matter when it came to living with European anti-semitism.  Now they do, with their own country and a nuclear deterrent to guarantee that they don't have to worry about Europe ever again.

Fuck Europe and its antisemitic bullshit.  If it's not trying to exterminate them outright, it's facilitating Islamic radicalism with decades of sympathetic "pro-Palestinian neutrality", and knowingly goofy asylum and immigration policies.

I dont blame them at all for trying to get out of Dodge. Europe hates its Jews.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2015, 12:17:49 PM
What a crock.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 11:41:43 AM
I wonder if there is any depth to which Netanyahu will not stoop?  His comments here argue for "no."

Old man, this isn't the Europe of the 60s and 70s anymore. There are thousands of anti semitic Islamic fundamentalists there now. Jews need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
So Jewish citizens of Europe are escaping to the middle east to escape the anti-semitism of middle eastern immigrants in Europe?

Makes sense.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: 11B4V on February 15, 2015, 01:25:59 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 09:45:44 AM
QuoteIsrael's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decried the attack and said his government plans to encourage a "massive immigration" of Jews from Europe.

"Again, Jews were murdered on European soil just because they were Jews," Netanyahu said at the start of his Cabinet meeting Sunday. "This wave of attacks is expected to continue, as well as murderous anti-Semitic attacks. Jews deserve security in every country, but we say to our Jewish brothers and sisters, Israel is your home."

This.

Torah! Torah! Torah! ....... :huh: :Joos
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
So Jewish citizens of Europe are escaping to the middle east to escape the anti-semitism of middle eastern immigrants in Europe?

Makes sense.

Yeah, just take yesterday as an example.

In Europe, 1 jew was killed by a muslim. In Israel, no jews were killed by muslims*.

*in the media I have seen; it is possible there were smaller scale attacks that didn't make major international news because of their routine nature. 
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 15, 2015, 01:37:33 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 15, 2015, 10:17:26 AM
I didn't even know the police had camouflaged uniforms.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B95PHEzIEAA1CQ7.jpg)

So that's why you can never find a cop when you need one.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 01:40:51 PM
Why wear forest style camo in an urban environment? Give me the camo pattern with McDonald's logos and fast food wrappers. Or in Copenhagen, pictures of hippies smoking pot. That is how you blend in.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Legbiter on February 15, 2015, 01:56:52 PM
Quote from: The Brain on February 15, 2015, 05:06:43 AM
Quote from: Liep on February 15, 2015, 05:00:16 AM
At least they got the bastard. I hope they never release his name so he can rot under ground in total obscurity.

But then we'll never know if he's a Muslim or not.

His name was Omar Abdel Hamid El-Hussein.

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fekstrabladet.dk%2Fincoming%2Farticle5444362.ece%2Fimage_alternates%2Fp900%2FOBS%21%21%21%21%21BILLEDET%2520M%25C3%2585%2520IKKE%2520ANVENDES%2520P%25C3%2585%2520NETTET%2520AF%2520ANDRE%2520F%25C3%2598R%2520AVISMAGER%2520SIGER%2520OK%21%21%21&hash=2a38e879a632be27ab98f1694389b8ab5ef787f4)

He was 2 weeks out of jail for a stabbing back in 2013.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
So Jewish citizens of Europe are escaping to the middle east to escape the anti-semitism of middle eastern immigrants in Europe?

Makes sense.

Europe sucks at assimilation, film at 11.

Besides, if you're going to be killed for the crime of being a Jew, might as well do it in Israel.  Even if it happens despite an army of psycho Siegeys protecting them from suicide bombers and rocket attacks, it wont be from a lack of trying.  Better odds than getting picked off from Mooselimb nutters in Europe.

Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 15, 2015, 02:05:11 PM
He got 2 years for that stabbing in november 2013.

Cue The Brain
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
Old man, this isn't the Europe of the 60s and 70s anymore. There are thousands of anti semitic Islamic fundamentalists there now. Jews need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?

Geezer, can't you even keep track of what is happening?  As many film directors are getting killed by Muslims this week as Jews are; yet Bibi is not calling for all the film directors of Europe to emigrate to Israel.  There are thousands of anti film director Islamic fundamentalists in Europe now. Film directors need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
Old man, this isn't the Europe of the 60s and 70s anymore. There are thousands of anti semitic Islamic fundamentalists there now. Jews need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?

Geezer, can't you even keep track of what is happening?  As many film directors are getting killed by Muslims this week as Jews are; yet Bibi is not calling for all the film directors of Europe to emigrate to Israel.  There are thousands of anti film director Islamic fundamentalists in Europe now. Film directors need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?

Old man, think about it. Of course all film directors should move to israel, but bibi wont say that because film directors wont vote likud.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 02:30:46 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 15, 2015, 02:05:11 PM
He got 2 years for that stabbing in november 2013.

Cue The Brain

The Paris attacker was also a former convict. I guess convicted Muslims should never be let out.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 02:49:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 02:13:59 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 02:08:16 PM
Quote from: alfred russel on February 15, 2015, 01:08:52 PM
Old man, this isn't the Europe of the 60s and 70s anymore. There are thousands of anti semitic Islamic fundamentalists there now. Jews need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?

Geezer, can't you even keep track of what is happening?  As many film directors are getting killed by Muslims this week as Jews are; yet Bibi is not calling for all the film directors of Europe to emigrate to Israel.  There are thousands of anti film director Islamic fundamentalists in Europe now. Film directors need to escape them, and what could go wrong with moving to the middle east to do so?

Old man, think about it. Of course all film directors should move to israel, but bibi wont say that because film directors wont vote likud.
Geezer, consider what you are saying.  Even if the film directors moved to Israel (and I agree they should), they couldn't vote anyway because they wouldn't be citizens.

On the other hand, Ancient One, if you lined up all the lawyers in Europe end-to-end around the equator, that would be terrific.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 03:08:54 PM
This was posted on the r/denmark subreddit under the title "the most danish reaction ever"

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F8D69iHk.jpg&hash=8492ffa306b37dbb5ba9808ecdad668b55013461)

QuoteBeer. Due to the dramatic shooting the police told people to stay inside at bars and restaurants. A couple of men were stuck in a small corner store for hours. "We are having a great time", they said. "We drank a lot of beer in the kiosk."
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
 :pirate
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: jimmy olsen on February 15, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
Multiple attacks and the perps are still at large?  This does not speak well of Danish police work.

I thought there was one perp and he was killed hours ago?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:20:19 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 02:04:01 PM
Europe sucks at assimilation, film at 11.

Tough for ethnically based national states.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:21:14 PM
Quote from: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 11:41:43 AM
I wonder if there is any depth to which Netanyahu will not stoop?  His comments here argue for "no."

That really represents a new low?  Huh.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
It's amazing that with all the terror attacks perpetrated by Muslims on European soil, the US have not yet seen a single one.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Tamas on February 15, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
It's amazing that with all the terror attacks perpetrated by Muslims on European soil, the US have not yet seen a single one.

All that staying distanced from US actions and being all sympathetic to the Palestinian cause really worked, didn't it?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:23:57 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
It's amazing that with all the terror attacks perpetrated by Muslims on European soil, the US have not yet seen a single one.

The ones we have are coming here for high tech jobs.  Our Asian (by which I mean in the geographical sense) immigrants of all flavors could not be better behaved.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:26:11 PM
Ok I am not sure if you guys are carrying on with the joke or are you serious...
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:27:22 PM
Because not even counting 911, there has been the Fort Hood shooting and Boston marathon bombing...
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Valmy on February 15, 2015, 03:31:47 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:27:22 PM
Because not even counting 911, there has been the Fort Hood shooting and Boston marathon bombing...

Sorry I guess I missed the context of the joke.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 15, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
It's amazing that with all the terror attacks perpetrated by Muslims on European soil, the US have not yet seen a single one.

All that staying distanced from US actions and being all sympathetic to the Palestinian cause really worked, didn't it?

Uhm, that's entirely irrelevant to these attacks, you know that?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 15, 2015, 03:44:06 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 15, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:22:01 PM
It's amazing that with all the terror attacks perpetrated by Muslims on European soil, the US have not yet seen a single one.

All that staying distanced from US actions and being all sympathetic to the Palestinian cause really worked, didn't it?

Uhm, that's entirely irrelevant to these attacks, you know that?

No.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 04:14:22 PM
Quote from: Martinus on February 15, 2015, 03:36:39 PM
Quote from: Tamas on February 15, 2015, 03:23:45 PM
All that staying distanced from US actions and being all sympathetic to the Palestinian cause really worked, didn't it?

Uhm, that's entirely irrelevant to these attacks, you know that?

Thanks for the tip.  Next time you launch these terror attacks, make sure you clarify ahead of time what actions are relevant to your attacks, m'kay?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Liep on February 15, 2015, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: jimmy olsen on February 15, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: Admiral Yi on February 15, 2015, 03:11:33 PM
Multiple attacks and the perps are still at large?  This does not speak well of Danish police work.

I thought there was one perp and he was killed hours ago?

:yes:
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Neil on February 15, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: Tonitrus on February 15, 2015, 01:12:29 PM
So Jewish citizens of Europe are escaping to the middle east to escape the anti-semitism of middle eastern immigrants in Europe?

Makes sense.

Europe sucks at assimilation, film at 11.

Besides, if you're going to be killed for the crime of being a Jew, might as well do it in Israel.  Even if it happens despite an army of psycho Siegeys protecting them from suicide bombers and rocket attacks, it wont be from a lack of trying.  Better odds than getting picked off from Mooselimb nutters in Europe.
On the other hand, Jews might be in less danger if it wasn't for the Apartheid Israel.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Sheilbh on February 15, 2015, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 15, 2015, 02:05:11 PM
He got 2 years for that stabbing in november 2013.

Cue The Brain
And was apparently released despite being considered 'extremely dangerous' :blink:
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 15, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
On the other hand, Jews might be in less danger if it wasn't for the Apartheid Israel.

Jews have been in danger even when Israel didn't exist.  The state of Israel is just the latest excuse.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 15, 2015, 08:12:37 PM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on February 15, 2015, 07:55:22 PM
Quote from: Neil on February 15, 2015, 06:47:27 PM
On the other hand, Jews might be in less danger if it wasn't for the Apartheid Israel.

Jews have been in danger even when Israel didn't exist.  The state of Israel is just the latest excuse.

Yeah, now at least they can respond to pogroms with nuclear weapons.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: DGuller on February 15, 2015, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: Sheilbh on February 15, 2015, 07:46:44 PM
Quote from: Liep on February 15, 2015, 02:05:11 PM
He got 2 years for that stabbing in november 2013.

Cue The Brain
And was apparently released despite being considered 'extremely dangerous' :blink:
What were they supposed to do?  He already served a year.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 10:06:16 PM
Well, if he's served his sentence what are you supposed to do? Keep him indefinitely?
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: grumbler on February 15, 2015, 11:32:46 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 10:06:16 PM
Well, if he's served his sentence what are you supposed to do? Keep him indefinitely?

If he is considered dangerous, you might want to make him serve his sentence.  He stabbed a man repeatedly in November 2013, and was back on the street in February 2015.  Given the time to process the case (no trial, as far s I can tell), he seems to have served less than a year in prison.  For aggravated assault with intent to kill.  They can't keep him indefinitely, but they could at least jail him for long enough that he would need to shave at least once.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Razgovory on February 16, 2015, 12:10:39 AM
Quote from: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 10:06:16 PM
Well, if he's served his sentence what are you supposed to do? Keep him indefinitely?

We have this military base on this island...
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Ancient Demon on February 16, 2015, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 10:06:16 PM
Well, if he's served his sentence what are you supposed to do? Keep him indefinitely?

I thought he was released early.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 16, 2015, 06:21:59 PM
Quote from: Ancient Demon on February 16, 2015, 05:46:31 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 15, 2015, 10:06:16 PM
Well, if he's served his sentence what are you supposed to do? Keep him indefinitely?

I thought he was released early.

Yeah, I was wrong, he did not serve his sentence.

He stabbed someone in late 2013. A few months later, in early 2014, he was picked up for some other issue - he seems to be somewhat thuggish, involved in street crime and peripherally in the hash trade - and was recognized for the attack. 

He was initially charged with attempted murder, and in 2014 he was found not guilty. Instead he was found guilty of aggravated assault, and given a prison sentence of two years and two months. I'm not sure if he had been incarcerated since he was initially arrested, but in early 2015 he appealed his sentence to a higher court and as a result was released.

So he hadn't served his sentence, like I assumed. But he wasn't released early either, he was released pending the result of his appeal it seems.

However, contrary to what Sheilbh read, I have not seen him referred to as being designated "extremely dangerous". As far as I can tell, the court system had him pegged as a minor criminal thug.

From his history, it seemed was a short fuse kind of guy who got into fist fights at bars; he felt strongly about Palestine ("not being afraid to admit he hated Jews" as it was reported); and got into crime, smoking and dealing hash as well as - it appears - some petty property theft. He had a prior record for violence (the fist fights etc, he was into Muay Thai for a while), and weapon offences (carrying brass knuckles and a knife at some point). Apparently he started associating with some gang members (this was before the arrest), but after a few weeks they kicked him out.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: mongers on February 17, 2015, 07:35:30 PM
Not sure of the importance of what's going on here, any friendly Danes like to explain:

(https://languish.org/forums/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.reutersmedia.net%2Fresources%2Fr%2F%3Fm%3D02%26amp%3Bd%3D20150217%26amp%3Bt%3D2%26amp%3Bi%3D1025794024%26amp%3Bw%3D976%26amp%3Bfh%3D%26amp%3Bfw%3D%26amp%3Bll%3D%26amp%3Bpl%3D%26amp%3Br%3D2015-02-17T172507Z_31274_GM1EB2H05VW01_RTRMADP_0_DENMARK-SHOOTING&hash=42b3d542f40f042e7fb037788739d1ec953cdca2)


QuoteReuters / Monday, February 16, 2015
People who knew the gunman remove flowers laid at the place where he was killed by police, on Svanevej Street in Copenhagen, Denmark February 16, 2015. The 22-year-old gunman opened fire on a cafe in Copenhagen hosting a free speech debate on Saturday, killing one, and attacked a synagogue, killing a guard. The man was later shot dead by police in his neighborhood of Norrebro, a poor and largely immigrant part of the city with a reputation for gang violence. REUTERS/Jens Astrup/Scanpix
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Jacob on February 17, 2015, 07:37:11 PM
Some people put flowers where the killer was shot by police.

Now other people are removing them, presumably because they don't think he deserves to have a public display of flowers.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Legbiter on February 17, 2015, 07:39:03 PM
It's insulting to Islam and him as a holy warrior to have flowers placed where he got moderated. Smacks of idolatry.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: mongers on February 17, 2015, 07:39:35 PM
Quote from: Jacob on February 17, 2015, 07:37:11 PM
Some people put flowers where the killer was shot by police.

Now other people are removing them, presumably because they don't think he deserves to have a public display of flowers.

Thanks, not entirely clear from the caption so I thought I'd check.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Admiral Yi on February 17, 2015, 07:40:11 PM
Awesome.
Title: Re: Shootings at debate with cartoonist in Copenhagen
Post by: Sheilbh on February 18, 2015, 12:16:16 AM
Quote from: Jacob on February 16, 2015, 06:21:59 PM
From his history, it seemed was a short fuse kind of guy who got into fist fights at bars; he felt strongly about Palestine ("not being afraid to admit he hated Jews" as it was reported); and got into crime, smoking and dealing hash as well as - it appears - some petty property theft. He had a prior record for violence (the fist fights etc, he was into Muay Thai for a while), and weapon offences (carrying brass knuckles and a knife at some point). Apparently he started associating with some gang members (this was before the arrest), but after a few weeks they kicked him out.
Yep. Again I think these are the sort of recurring features in Westerners who end up doing things like this or going to Syria.