Quote"Christianity now makes up the largest single civil society grouping in China. The party sees that."
QuoteLast summer, China's religious affairs chief said that 500,000 Christians are baptized each year in the country.
QuoteCarsten Vala, an expert on religion in China at Loyola University Maryland in Baltimore, says 40 million to 60 million is "the low end of a conservative" estimate of the number of Evangelicals. Fenggang Yang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University in Indiana, says he thinks there are more than 80 million Christians and that China will have 245 million by 2030 if growth is steady – making it the world's most populous Protestant nation.
Quote...in the past year authorities have attacked and even destroyed official Protestant churches, as well as unofficial ones.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2015/0111/In-China-a-church-state-showdown-of-biblical-proportions
It'll be interesting to see whether the Evangelicals will end up like Falun Gong, whether they'll adapt, or whether they'll end up having significant influence. It seems the CCP is taking them seriously.
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
Quote from: Tyr on January 15, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
The article says that the two growth religions are Buddhism and Evangelical Christianity.
Quote from: Jacob on January 15, 2015, 06:24:06 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 15, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
The article says that the two growth religions are Buddhism and Evangelical Christianity.
What kind of Buddhism?
Quote from: Tyr on January 15, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
You are such a dipshit.
Quote from: Queequeg on January 15, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
What kind of Buddhism?
I believe China, Korea and Japan all favor the one that deifies Buddha.
Quote from: Tyr on January 15, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
And what's wrong with Korea? :yeahright:
Tyr thinks brown people should follow brown people religions or some stupid shit like that.
Quote from: Admiral Yi on January 15, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
Quote from: Queequeg on January 15, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
What kind of Buddhism?
I believe China, Korea and Japan all favor the one that deifies Buddha.
I think the Japanese version is different from the Chinese ones.
Quote from: Tyr on January 15, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
Christianity has only been in China since the Tang Dynasty. Stupid non-traditional faith.
Tang? I love Tang!
Quote from: Habbaku on January 15, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
Tyr thinks brown people should follow brown people religions or some stupid shit like that.
:lol:
I have to say one thing though. When it comes to any religious or superstitious beliefs, the Chinese tendency is to adopt a shotgun approach, just to make sure that they'll hit the target no matter what. I've seen devoted self-described Christians worshipping other traditional deities, consulting fung shui masters, praying at Buddhist temples, etc.
Quote from: Queequeg on January 15, 2015, 06:42:53 PM
What kind of Buddhism?
May be totally wrong but I'd guess one of the growth humanistic Buddhisms from Taiwan like Fo Guang Shan or Dharma Drum Mountain.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 10:03:44 PM
I have to say one thing though. When it comes to any religious or superstitious beliefs, the Chinese tendency is to adopt a shotgun approach, just to make sure that they'll hit the target no matter what. I've seen devoted self-described Christians worshipping other traditional deities, consulting fung shui masters, praying at Buddhist temples, etc.
Wagering on black and red at Pascals's roulette wheel, eh?
Sounds like what China needs is an Ieyasu Tokugawa of their own.
They tried that route. Didn't work out so well.
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Sounds like what China needs is an Ieyasu Tokugawa of their own.
China needs more money and more people. A few billion more.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 10:45:47 PM
China needs more money and more people. A few billion more.
A billion more people and a billion more yuan? :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 15, 2015, 10:51:19 PM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 10:45:47 PM
China needs more money and more people. A few billion more.
A billion more people and a billion more yuan? :hmm:
Preferrably say 3 billion more people and many many trillions in US$ :contract:
How about this, you can have as many people as you want, but the billion yuan is all you get to feed, house and clothe them.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Sounds like what China needs is an Ieyasu Tokugawa of their own.
China needs more money and more people. A few billion more.
China will be contained, and eventually impoverished. Once they are contained, they'll start to collapse, just as all fascist governments do.
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
China will be contained, and eventually impoverished. Once they are contained, they'll start to collapse, just as all fascist governments do.
Well, I've been hearing this prediction in the past three decades :hmm:
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 15, 2015, 10:56:18 PM
How about this, you can have as many people as you want, but the billion yuan is all you get to feed, house and clothe them.
They feed themselves. I keep the billion yuan. Deal ;)
You, China, not You, Mono. :P
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 10:45:47 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2015, 10:37:48 PM
Sounds like what China needs is an Ieyasu Tokugawa of their own.
China needs more money and more people. A few billion more.
China just needs 24 Trident II MIRV payloads.
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
China will be contained, and eventually impoverished. Once they are contained, they'll start to collapse, just as all fascist governments do.
Well, I've been hearing this prediction in the past three decades :hmm:
The Soviets laughed at it as well.
The Soviets didn't adapt.
Apparently neither did the Russians.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 15, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
Tang? I love Tang!
Especially if you have some Wu as well.
Poor form, Xiacob. Poor form.
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2015, 12:19:09 AM
Quote from: Monoriu on January 15, 2015, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: Neil on January 15, 2015, 11:00:10 PM
China will be contained, and eventually impoverished. Once they are contained, they'll start to collapse, just as all fascist governments do.
Well, I've been hearing this prediction in the past three decades :hmm:
The Soviets laughed at it as well.
It seems apparent to me that the Chinese position is a lot stronger than the Soviets'. A much stronger and growing economy, little to no foreign adventures, and a well-established succession mechanism that ensures turnover of the top job every 10 years.
Quote from: Habbaku on January 15, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
Tyr thinks brown people should follow brown people religions or some stupid shit like that.
It would be nice if white people followed white people religions too but that ship sailed in the first millennium :(
Quote from: Tyr on January 16, 2015, 02:43:29 AM
Quote from: Habbaku on January 15, 2015, 07:18:05 PM
Tyr thinks brown people should follow brown people religions or some stupid shit like that.
It would be nice if white people followed white people religions too but that ship sailed in the first millennium :(
So Christianity and Islam are brown people religions, but brown people shouldn't follow them?
Quote from: Jacob on January 16, 2015, 12:51:24 AM
Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 16, 2015, 12:47:12 AM
Poor form, Xiacob. Poor form.
:blush:
Everybody knows that if you're going to make a Tang joke, it should involve Poon. I mean, duh.
"Dharma Drum Mountain" :hmm:
Pretty sure that was a brand of Dutch cigarette tobacco back in the day :P
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 16, 2015, 03:06:53 AM
"Dharma Drum Mountain" :hmm:
Pretty sure that was a brand of Dutch cigarette tobacco back in the day :P
Sounds like a side project by Blue Oyster Cult members.
Quote from: dps on January 16, 2015, 08:19:23 AM
Quote from: Richard Hakluyt on January 16, 2015, 03:06:53 AM
"Dharma Drum Mountain" :hmm:
Pretty sure that was a brand of Dutch cigarette tobacco back in the day :P
Sounds like a side project by Blue Oyster Cult members.
:D
Excellent obscure reference, I have to album too. :)
Quote from: jimmy olsen on January 15, 2015, 07:13:09 PM
Quote from: Tyr on January 15, 2015, 06:22:20 PM
Well that's depressing. Hope the traditional faiths can pull a Hinduism and kick the christians out. All the world needs is another Korea :(
And what's wrong with Korea? :yeahright:
Too much wannabe-US, not enough Korea.
Quote from: Peter Wiggin on January 16, 2015, 02:46:17 AM
So Christianity and Islam are brown people religions, but brown people shouldn't follow them?
Jews are welcome to Judaism. Though they should stop pretending there has only ever been one god.
Would you like to explain these bizarre statements, Tyr?
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2015, 09:44:06 AM
Would you like to explain these bizarre statements, Tyr?
America Bad. Dog Eating good.
Quote from: Ed Anger on January 16, 2015, 07:30:15 PM
Quote from: Razgovory on January 16, 2015, 09:44:06 AM
Would you like to explain these bizarre statements, Tyr?
America Bad. Dog Eating good.
There is probably an anime movie with this theme, too.