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As there is always talk about how Americans have less vacation days than the rest of the world, let's have a poll on that.

I am not really sure if sick days in America should be counted as vacation days. My impression is that Americans use them as such occasionally. Use your own discretion here.

Public holidays where you don't have to take vacation should not be counted.

As a good Euroweenie, I had 37 days off (29 days vacation, 3 days of remaining vacation from last year, 5 days as compensation for overtime).  :frog:

Around 10. Voted 10 or less. I think I have something like 60 accumulated days - I get 26 days a year.  :Embarrass:

25 as per my annual allotment.

I'm a freelancer, so my vacations are the days where I don't have any gig going. I guess I'll pick the last option.

Just had six weeks in New Zealand, so that's 30 days. And probably another 10-15 spread out over the year.

ROTW, 38 including overtime compensation. I think some might have been unpaid though. I get 25 paid vacation days per year

By the way, The Economist recently reposted this article which may be related:

QuoteNice work if you can get out

Why the rich now have less leisure than the poor

FOR most of human history rich people had the most leisure. In "Downton Abbey", a drama about the British upper classes of the early 20th century, one aloof aristocrat has never heard of the term "weekend": for her, every day is filled with leisure. On the flip side, the poor have typically slogged. Hans-Joachim Voth, an economic historian at the University of Zurich, shows that in 1800 the average English worker laboured for 64 hours a week. "In the 19th century you could tell how poor somebody was by how long they worked," says Mr Voth.

In today's advanced economies things are different. Overall working hours have fallen over the past century. But the rich have begun to work longer hours than the poor. In 1965 men with a college degree, who tend to be richer, had a bit more leisure time than men who had only completed high school. But by 2005 the college-educated had eight hours less of it a week than the high-school grads. Figures from the American Time Use Survey, released last year, show that Americans with a bachelor's degree or above work two hours more each day than those without a high-school diploma. Other research shows that the share of college-educated American men regularly working more than 50 hours a week rose from 24% in 1979 to 28% in 2006, but fell for high-school dropouts. The rich, it seems, are no longer the class of leisure.

There are a number of explanations. One has to do with what economists call the "substitution effect". Higher wages make leisure more expensive: if people take time off they give up more money. Since the 1980s the salaries of those at the top have risen strongly, while those below the median have stagnated or fallen. Thus rising inequality encourages the rich to work more and the poor to work less.

The "winner-takes-all" nature of modern economies may amplify the substitution effect. The scale of the global market means businesses that innovate tend to reap huge gains (think of YouTube, Apple and Goldman Sachs). The returns for beating your competitors can be enormous. Research from Peter Kuhn of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and Fernando Lozano of Pomona College shows that the same is true for highly skilled workers. Although they do not immediately get overtime pay for "extra" hours, the most successful workers, often the ones putting in the most hours, may reap gains from winner-takes-all markets. Whereas in the early 1980s a man working 55 hours a week earned 11% more than a man putting in 40 hours in the same type of occupation, that gap had increased to 25% by the turn of the millennium.

Economists tend to assume that the substitution effect must at some stage be countered by an "income effect": as higher wages allow people to satisfy more of their material needs, they forgo extra work and instead choose more leisure. A billionaire who can afford his own island has little incentive to work that extra hour. But new social mores may have flipped the income effect on its head.

The status of work and leisure in the rich world has changed since the days of "Downton Abbey". Back in 1899 Thorstein Veblen, an American economist who dabbled in sociology, offered his take on things. He argued that leisure was a "badge of honour". Rich people could get others to do the dirty, repetitive work—what Veblen called "industry". Yet Veblen's leisure class was not idle. Rather they engaged in "exploit": challenging and creative activities such as writing, philanthropy and debating.

Veblen's theory needs updating, according to a recent paper from researchers at Oxford University*. Work in advanced economies has become more knowledge-intensive and intellectual. There are fewer really dull jobs, like lift-operating, and more glamorous ones, like fashion design. That means more people than ever can enjoy "exploit" at the office. Work has come to offer the sort of pleasures that rich people used to seek in their time off. On the flip side, leisure is no longer a sign of social power. Instead it symbolises uselessness and unemployment.

The evidence backs up the sociological theory. The occupations in which people are least happy are manual and service jobs requiring little skill. Job satisfaction tends to increase with the prestige of the occupation. Research by Arlie Russell Hochschild of the University of California, Berkeley, suggests that as work becomes more intellectually stimulating, people start to enjoy it more than home life. "I come to work to relax," one interviewee tells Ms Hochschild. And wealthy people often feel that lingering at home is a waste of time. A study in 2006 revealed that Americans with a household income of more than $100,000 indulged in 40% less "passive leisure" (such as watching TV) than those earning less than $20,000.

Condemned to relax

What about less educated workers? Increasing leisure time probably reflects a deterioration in their employment prospects as low-skill and manual jobs have withered. Since the 1980s, high-school dropouts have fared badly in the labour market. In 1965 the unemployment rate of American high-school graduates was 2.9 percentage points higher than for those with a bachelor's degree or more. Today it is 8.4 points higher. "Less educated people are not necessarily buying their way into leisure," explains Erik Hurst of the University of Chicago. "Some of that time off work may be involuntary." There may also be change in the income effect for those on low wages. Information technology, by opening a vast world of high-quality and cheap home entertainment, means that low-earners do not need to work as long to enjoy a reasonably satisfying leisure.

All of them, 23 this year. I started on 20 and got one more a year - I think the maximum is 30 but I'll never find out. From the HR director's email confirming my entitlement:

2010 – pro rata entitlement
2011 – 20 days
2012 – 21 days
2013 – 22 days
2014 – 23 days

Out of these we have to save three days for when the office is closed between Christmas and New Year.

Would have been 24 this year. I think my new place will have 25, and the hours are only 9-5.

I get 23 days off a year (including a long service bonus) excluding public holidays and days my company is closed; including days the company shuts, I have about 35 days off a year. I used 27.5 days of this allowance last year, but sweet-talked my HR director into letting me carry over all of the unused days into 2015. :yeah:

One thing I've learnt is that I am much, much more productive after a rest, as are my team. Luckily I am in a results-driven firm, but it's amazing how many people where I work seem to value presenteeism.

Quote from: Martinus on January 08, 2015, 03:16:52 AM
Around 10. Voted 10 or less. I think I have something like 60 accumulated days - I get 26 days a year.  :Embarrass:

...I can't even... :blink:

Around 45, of about 60 I had accumulated at the start of the year.

Took 22 last year out of entitlement of 26, carried the other 4 over. Plus 8 bank holidays and one extra day the firm gives us.

Moving jobs soon and entitlement will go up to 30.

Vacation days for 2015
21 Days mandated by law  (20 base + 1 for working longer than 1 year in the logistics sector)
1 Day Seniority (every 5 year with a max that I don't know by head, my next extra day will be 2016)
1 Additional vacation day from the sector for the Flemish National holiday on 11 juli 2013 (free to choose)
2 Conventional part time holidays 4x1/2)days   (02/01/15-03/04/2015-02/11/2015-26/12/2015)
2 days to choose for holidays which are in the weekend this year (15/08/15 &01/11/2015)
6 days working time reduction. (In theory I work each week 2h too much, which we receive back as vacation days)
0 days saldo of vacation of last year (If I have, I have to take them before en january.

If you leave at holiday related vacation days I've got 28days.
In total with holiday related days its 33days. Since our office is only closed on holidays themselves and doesn't form a bridge if there's one day in between the holiday and the weekend. I can choose all holidays myself.

Quote from: Sheilbh on January 08, 2015, 05:35:29 AM

Quote from: Martinus on January 08, 2015, 03:16:52 AM
Around 10. Voted 10 or less. I think I have something like 60 accumulated days - I get 26 days a year.  :Embarrass:

...I can't even... :blink:

I'm a workaholic. :(

Quote from: Martinus on January 08, 2015, 07:40:41 AM
I'm a workaholic. :(

[Homer] Mmm, workahol... [/Homer]

Voted more than 30, but then realized I had included weekends, and public holidays and such that I had arranged my vacations around to make them longer.

I had 18 paid vacation days

Mine gets accrued and used in hours vs. days, and I tend to just leave early or come in at noon vs. taking whole days off (I get bored at home).  I do use sick time like spontaneous vacation time too sometimes, but not all that much.  It looks like it works out to 9 days and a couple of hours between the two, although I was probably actually sick for a little bit of that. 

Either way, less than 10 days. 

15 vacation
9 sick days
4 gotta make up the time days.

I work for a university, so I get a pretty good deal.  Since I do more than teach, I don't get all the student calendar off, but what I get is pretty good.

22 days of vacation
Public holidays - Martin Luther King, Memorial Day, 4th of July, Labor day, 2 days off for Thanksgiving, and Winter Break which is the 24th of December through January 1st off.

All in all I get a fair chunk of days off - it is sometimes hard to take them all.  Last year I took 4 1-week vacations and some other time, and I still have 180 hours of time in the bank.

7 months, unpaid.

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 08, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
7 months, unpaid.

A lot of game time there.  :showoff:

I don't understand the question and I refuse to answer it.

I think I took 11 or 12 last year.

But I get a lot more than that, and I banked the time from last year.  So I've already booked 19 days this year, and will book a few more.

A few years ago I got 18. But then they took away Christmas Eve and the day after Thanksgiving, and gave us 2 more to get to 20. The office effectively shuts down on those days and you are expected to take them off, so not sure which way to vote.

Last year my whole department had to work MLK day and July 4, because we were busy, but we got extra vacation days for that. Which got me to 20/22.

I don't get to carry over unused vacation to a new year, so I took all of it.

Quote from: alfred russel on January 08, 2015, 01:08:22 PM

I don't get to carry over unused vacation to a new year, so I took all of it.

Yeah, same here, and it sucks. 

And as someone else mentioned, technically I accrue hours of vacation time, not days.  In my case, I'm expected to take a week off at a time, and I get paid that week for however many hours I've accrued.  Something's screwy in our system, though, because apparently I till have 11 hours accrued that I have to take before May 11.  I'm going to try and see if something can't be done about that, 'cause I really don't want to take a whole week off and only get paid for 11 hours.

Quote from: 11B4V on January 08, 2015, 11:38:53 AM

Quote from: CountDeMoney on January 08, 2015, 11:23:35 AM
7 months, unpaid.

A lot of game time there.  :showoff:

Not really;  living with Mom and Dad while being unemployed is like being 16 all over again, dragging my feet not finding a summer job, so I only play video games at night or on the weekends.